Responding to Media Matters, Scarborough again suggests that Franken "steal" votes
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SUMMARY: Joe Scarborough responded to Media Matters' highlighting of his assertions that Al Franken "only needs to steal" a small number of votes to win his Senate race, by saying: "Can I have my Media Matters moment here, because it drives them crazy when I say this. How many -- how many votes does Al Franken have to steal to get elected in Minnesota? OK, there, I've said it. Now you guys can write another article. That's my little present to you." He continued: "Now, for the record, Media Matters, I've never accused Al Franken of stealing votes. I just asked Pat Buchanan, 'Hey, how many -- he needs 250 votes. Would those votes be hard to steal?' And, of course, Pat said, 'No, I've got those in the back of my station wagon, Joe.' "
On the December 9 broadcast of MSNBC's Morning Joe, host Joe Scarborough responded to Media Matters for America's highlighting of his assertions that Minnesota Democrat Al Franken "only needs to steal" a small number of votes to win his Senate race against incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman (R), which is currently undergoing a recount. After political analyst Carlos Watson commented on the possibility that "three new stars enter the Senate in the next month or two, post-election," Scarborough said: "Can I have my Media Matters moment here, because it drives them crazy when I say this. How many -- how many votes does Al Franken have to steal to get elected in Minnesota? OK, there, I've said it. Now you guys can write another article. That's my little present to you." He continued: "Now, for the record, Media Matters, I've never accused Al Franken of stealing votes. I just asked [MSNBC political analyst] Pat Buchanan, 'Hey, how many -- he needs 250 votes. Would those votes be hard to steal?' And, of course, Pat said, 'No, I've got those in the back of my station wagon, Joe.' "
As Media Matters documented -- providing relevant transcript and audio -- Scarborough said on the November 19 edition of Morning Joe:
SCARBOROUGH: If Al Franken steals enough votes in Minnesota --
MIKA BRZEZINSKI (co-host): They could get to 60.
SCARBOROUGH: -- they get to 60. I'm not saying he stole any votes --
BRZEZINSKI: They're gonna find them in the trunk of a car.
SCARBOROUGH: -- I'm just saying, as a Republican from Florida, I mean, it's a close race. Steal some votes, you get over the top. Democrats have 60. Right, Barnicle?
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SCARBOROUGH: All right. So, again, recapping: If Al Franken can steal enough votes in Minnesota, that's get -- that gets Democrats to 59.
BRZEZINSKI: That's right.
As Media Matters also documented -- providing relevant transcript and audio -- Scarborough asserted on November 21:
ANDREA MITCHELL (guest co-host): And in Minnesota, Republican Senator Norm Coleman's edge over Democrat Al Franken faded somewhat in the second day of a statewide recount. According to the secretary of state in Minnesota, Franken now trails Coleman by just 129 votes out of nearly 3 million cast.
SCARBOROUGH: All right, so, Pat Buchanan, Al Franken only needs to steal 130 more votes to win that thing, and you've got to be thinking, "That's child's play."
BUCHANAN: Look, you've got a station wagon up in the Iron Range that's hold -- got more of them in there, I'm sure, Joe.
MITCHELL: These are the good government guys in Minnesota. They don't work that way, you know -
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, these are the good government guys, but they're -- that all the votes that were mis -- miscast were all miscast for the same guy, huh? And again, Buchanan's thinking, "This is child play. I can steal 130 votes" -
MITCHELL: This is Michael -- now this is -
SCARBOROUGH: -- "by the time I went to get a beer."
MITCHELL: This is Walter Mondale country. These guys are reformers.
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, they are, reform -- whatever.
BUCHANAN: I can find those, easy, Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, 130's nothing. Nothing, nothing.
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MITCHELL: And in Minnesota, Republican Senator Norm Coleman's edge over Democrat Al Franken faded somewhat in the second day of a statewide recount. According to Minnesota's secretary of state, Franken now trails by only 129 votes out of nearly 3 million cast.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. And Buchanan says Al Franken can steal 130 votes easily. He said he can -
MITCHELL: Out of the Iron Range.
SCARBOROUGH: -- usually hide 130 votes in the back of a station wagon.
From the December 9 broadcast of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
WATSON: Here's the last note I'll give on it. It's interesting that we just had an incredible election, and yet there may be more exciting things ahead. Caroline Kennedy could end up in the Senate.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI (co-host): I know.
WATSON: Al Franken from Saturday Night Live fame could end up in the Senate.
BRZEZINSKI: Good lord, good lord.
SCARBOROUGH: [inaudible]
WATSON: Jesse Jackson Jr. could end up in the Senate. All I'm saying is that you could have three new stars that are in the Senate in the next month or two, post-election.
BRZEZINSKI: Wow.
SCARBOROUGH: Can -- can I have my Media Matters moment here, because it drives them crazy when I say this.
BRZEZINSKI: Oh, yes, you need to have one. Let me check it off.
SCARBOROUGH: How many -- how many votes --
BRZEZINSKI: Media Matters moment.
SCARBOROUGH: -- does Al Franken have to steal to get elected in Minnesota? OK, there, I've said it. Now you guys can write another article. That's my little present to you.
BRZEZINSKI: They're all in the back seat of a Buick Skylark.
SCARBOROUGH: Now for the record, Media Matters, I've never accused Al Franken --
BRZEZINSKI: Lord.
SCARBOROUGH: -- of stealing votes.
BRZEZINSKI: OK, you've had your moment. I checked it off.
SCARBOROUGH: I just asked Pat Buchanan, "Hey, how many -- he needs 250 votes. Would those votes be hard to steal?" And, of course, Pat said, "No, I've got those in the back of my station wagon, Joe."
Right, because when you say someone needs to steal votes to win, nobody's going to think they cheated if/when they get those votes. There's no suggestion of fraud at all, really.
Jackass.
Joe's a perfect candidate to join the concern trolls, unsolicited -advice grandmas and the WITH Squad here, completely baffled by MMFA's documentation of BS.
Joe implies criminal wrongdoing on the part of a Dem, based on his own bitter partisanship. MMFA accurately transcribes it, and Joe sees this as him driving MM crazy. Yeah, it's always the guy mentioning that you've peed your pants in public who's crazy. You're fine.
Scar's crazy! He just gave MMFA a huge shout out! Free publicity? Why would that bother MMFA at all? Thanks Joe!
Hey Joe!
How come you're not asking how many votes Norm Coleman can steal in order to win the election, too?
That's the point of all the MMFA scrutiny. Why are you so one-sided? Why is it just Franken?
Thanks, Brabantio, that's the word I was looking for: Jackass.
Well, I'm just saying, if Joe suggests that Al Franken can steal enough votes in Minnesota and steal the election and then say never accused Al Franken of stealing votes by blaming his remarks on Pat Buchanan, then he's sort of a liar and not much of a stand up guy.
♪ Buchannon raves like a shill of the right
And wouldn't Joe love to utter
Takes to this guys slimey words in fright
And uses him for cover...♫
Are either of these media characters (scareboro and buckanon) residents of Minnesota?
If not, it doesn't concern them... let Minnesota count and recount their own ballot: who thinks all those People in that State, need the help of media characters like scareboro and buckanon?
They think the People in Minnesota are idiots?
"I'm just saying, as a Republican from Florida, I mean, it's a close race. Steal some votes, you get over the top. Democrats have 60. Right, Barnicle?"
So what Joe is saying here is that, if the race is close, you steal the votes you need, just as the Republicans did in Florida. Nothing wrong with that, Right Barnicle?.
It's nostalgic to see a reference to "my station wagon".
Station wagons?
Folks today don't buy or drive anything called a "station wagon". It puts me to mind: when exactly did station wagons disappear from America's roads? When and what was the last station wagon made? And did it have vinyl simulated wood panels on it's sides? My mind is consumed by these inquiries, for the next several moments, until the next nostalgic reference crosses it.
The station wagons were put on light truck chassis' and repackaged as action sport utility urban tactical vehicles. What kinda square drives a station wagon.
FYI, lots of fun to refer to peoples' SUV's as "station wagons". Always gets a terse correction.
Your typical rube in such backwater areas of the Iron Range and Minnesota generally still enjoy happy motoring in their Vista Cruisers, while their more cosmopolitan brethren in Florida prefer to adhere to the Peter Pan doctrine and rely on "Sport Utility" vehicles to make sure they won't grow up to become their parents.
While there are still those fun-loving individualists who harken back to the nostalgia of your vinyl panelling by bedecking their PT Cruisers with woodgrain, the more prevalent "Type-R" vinyl and 22" rims which dent going over Whole Foods parking lot speed bumps now adorn your average 40-something's 4-wheel-drive jaunt-o-lounge.
"jaunt-o-lounge" is a pretty good model name. I still enjoy people's explanations for why they "need" big SUVs.
Safety - avoid these people on the road. While most adults would take responsibility for driving safety by maintaining safe following distances and checking their mirrors, some believe the best approach is to assume you'll hit somebody, and buy a vehicle that guarantees the other person will die.
Kids- I realize Americans are getting fatter,but unless you've got Guinness book of records-style tubs-o-lard,this is pretty silly. The Sanders family did an L.A.-Oregon-Washington loop, with 5/6 of the kids, in a Pontiac Catalina in the early 70s, no sweat.
I still enjoy the frequent evenings that you regale us with a carousel full of slides taken with the ol' Brownie during that trip:
Oops, sorry. I missed that you were referring to your early 70's vacation:
Although, I can see now the justification for a light truck chassis.
As a long-time despiser of SUVs, I often, in confrontational tones, wanted to know WHY someone had one. "Well, I have a kid, and....". Get this: "a" kid. Or, and this one I love: "With the dog, you know, and he just loves the back, and....". "The safety of my family is important to me!" "I live on the Upper East Side and I NEED that 4 wheel drive." "It's great for goin' to the Wal-Mart!" "Its got so many FEATURES, Man!" "Sittin' way up high like that I can see the road better." Or, "Where can I get one of them things in "Batman Begins"? Now, ME? I had this '63 Ford Falcon Station Wagon, midnight blue. We drove that sucker all the way from New Orleans to New York with my (one) kid back in 19 ought 68. Sorry, no pictures.
My 1977(?) Custom Cruiser was purchased used with over 100,000 miles on it in the early 80s. It moved my family to Phoenix and 3 years later moved us back to MN again. It was probably about 2 years later that it finally died, with well over 200,000 miles on it.
It had a block heater installed in it. In Phoenix I was asked fairly often about the plug sticking out of the front grill. I had fun telling people it had been redone with an electric motor.
Just curious, but why did the thing have a block heater? It was a diesel? I didn't think they put diesels in those kinds of cars (and I guess you didn't have much call to plug the thing in, in Phoenix).
I got the last factory installed block heater in my 2004 FORD powersmoke.....after that year, it is an option.
It was pretty common to have a block heater or tank heater installed on a lot of vehicles here in MN, especially without a garage. There is no sound more depressing than that weak "eerrrr -- eeerrrr - click click click" sound of an engine trying to start at 15 or 20 below zero. Those heaters could make the difference on virtually any engine. One place I worked in Grand Forks ND had outlets in the parking lot for its employees to plug their cars into in the winter.
The magnum wagon is probably a station wagon by a different name.
The family had three real station wagons. A Valient, a pushbutton drive Plymouth, and a clapped out red, three-on-the-tree, 318 Plymouth. Many's the trip. Looking backward from the rear seat though many of these made me what I am today. That and the carbon monoxide poisoning though the rear window gap.
Not to get up on my hate horse, but Abrams wasn't holding the "Countdown" viewers. Maddow is.
Franken is NOT a serious candidate and while @ air america, was part of an effort that diverted over $900,000.00 from a charity fund to the flailing radio show so Mr. Franken is capable and culpable of theft! His comportment is that of a bitter, self absorbed sociopath bent on thumbing his nose @ conservative establishment. Norm Coleman is a well respected senator, but since he is a republican, MMFA is willing to back a ner-do-well like Franken just to eliminate a republican senate seat. It's called passive aggression, a tool used by the lowest common denominator.
Moron. You can't point to a single thing that has happened in this election or the recount that suggests wrongdoing by Franken. He has comported himself with class and dignity throughout. The only thig that has been really suspicious, the envelope that vanished with 133 ballots in it, is much more likely to hurt Franken's numbers than help.
Norm Coleman is far from well respected. He is a corrupt, wishy-washy toady willing to jump through any hoops put in front of him by his party leaders. What party that is is always subject to change by him.
The sleaziest behavior we've seen in the recount, beyond any doubt, has been that of the Coleman campaign's lead lawyer, Knaak. Of course, he's just reflecting the culture of the campaign he represents.
Come on, sigtek, don't you want to discuss your comments? Provide us with the facts and logic on which you base them? Surely you're not just some mindless bomb-thrower completely devoid of substance, are you?
There's no basis for claiming fraud here, therfore the assertion gets highlighted. It's really that simple. It would work the same way on another site if someone baselessly claimed Coleman was stealing votes.
Heheh, as I was just reading your comment I was thinking to myself, "wow, passive-aggressive much?"
Then I got to your last sentence.
Then I LOLed.
BillJ-MN is right. Franken has been entirely above-board, a total gentleman respecting the rule of law throughout this entire process. If you can prove your assertions, pony up. If not, take your wingnuttery elsewhere.
Also, look up the words "bitter" and "sociopath." I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
I was away for 2 days and came back to "MORON" as the lead-in? Mr. Franken is a well trained pundit and has been for most of his career. His job @ SNL as writer and wry comic has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt his "passive aggression" towards political landscapes he doesn't "approve" of. His stint @ air america (a total failure) was a springboard to a larger audience to his "bitter" and disgruntled attitude towards traditional America! He has NO experience qualifying him for a senate seat and as a senator, crafting legislation for the state of Minnesota, he has a responsibility for the welfare of millions of people. AND, much of his duties would clearly affect the rest of the nation---this, from a "comedian" who has shown little respect for the institution he is seeking membership of(I ended my sentence w/ a preposition!). Look back at some of Mr. Franken's "skits" attempting to legitimize his limited view of our system of government and general society and THEN tell me he is a serious candidate instead of a silly-ass goober imposing his tradition of America bashing via the capitol. This is where "sociopath" comes in. Like most "entertainers", attention is his world and like a child getting no attention, his behaviour reflects a child who has failed in most of his endeavors and now seeks a greater redemption which today's politics can provide.
Reagan was an actor before he ran for Governor of California. In other words, an "entertainer". And Reagan's experience didn't involve any knowledge of governmental issues at all, unlike Franken's resume.
HE WAS GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's review:
Me:"Reagan was an actor before he ran for Governor of California. In other words, an "entertainer". And Reagan's experience didn't involve any knowledge of governmental issues at all, unlike Franken's resume."
"HE WAS GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Yes, when he ran for Governor of California, he was only an entertainer. The word "President" is not found in my post.
You may remove your head from your sphincter at your convenience.
Pardon me, forgot to attribute your quote to you. It shouldn't be a great source of confusion, given the crazy capitalization, but I thought I would note it anyway.
It must be the rarified atmosphere of MMFA that somehow legitimizes phrases like "removing your head from your sphincter"! Either that or you just don't get out much! What next, "I know you are but what am I" or one of my grandchildren's favorite "why don't you quit talking about yourself" or the ever-popular but abbreviated "oh yeah"! You're right, I did make the leap from gov to prez w/ out your permission but can you, in your wildest nightmare, make the same unauthorized leap for Mr. Franken?------------nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! BTW, had capitol lock w/ out looking---happens!
If someone used your logic for Reagan, he never would have run for Governor. That's sort of the point. You made zero effort to comprehend it, which is a mistake you hopefully are able to learn from.
I do believe you're lying. Were the multitude of exclamation points accidental as well?
The logic is flawless! Not only was Mr. Reagan a successful actor but an exceptionally popular governor! He went on to be this century's most (arguably) popular president who possessed an uncanny link to the typical American psyche. Mr. Franken, on the other hand, was a witty writer and perennial bit actor on Saturday Night Live(whoop-de-do). Mr. Reagan tested the waters and found he could and should run for public service! Mr. Franken has tested the waters and found he is merely a side-bar, a trainwreck EVERYONE stops to look at(there I go w/ the preposition again-sorry). Mr. Franken, at best, was a mediocre radio talk-show host who quit that post amid swirling allegations the show had absconded w/ funds earmarked for a childrens charity. As for "lying" about my typing skills or lack thereof, please, you are not that important! BTW, I know many people who have graduated from prestigious schools with honors up the kazoo who I wouldn't take to a rat fight, let alone elect as president or senator or HOA president for that matter, so Mr. Franken's credentials are moot, it's his demeanor! That's the point---hope ya learn from it!
So how would you know that Reagan would be a good and/or popular governor if he went by the standard of "political unknown"? You wouldn't, so how can you argue that Franken shouldn't run for that reason?
If Coleman is so widely respected, and Franken is a "trainwreck", then why is it even close? Is Coleman's campaign really that bad? It can't all be about Obama's coattails. Obama won Indiana, my state, and Mitch Daniels won easily. He happens to be widely respected, more so than Coleman from all I've seen. Either Coleman isn't as great as you claim, or Franken must have more credibility than you imagine.
Still waiting for the explanation for all the exclamation marks. I guess your cat did that, or something. Also, how did you hit the "post" button without looking at your screen? It's not done by the enter key, at least using my browser.
The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) has recognized Coleman with a ‘dishonorable mention’ in their annual report Crew’s Most Corrupt members of Congress. No minor garland, given the distinguished achievements of his competition. Although he has a lot of work to do, if he wishes to match the performances of stars like Republican Senator Ted Stevens or Democratic Representative William J. Jefferson, for that alone he deserves our respect. But have faith—given a little time I am sure he will make the starting lineup. How dare Franken throw his hat in the ring. Give our good friend Sig Tek a little credit for his vigilence and civic spirit. I know we have seen him before with another handle. That aside--the Tek-9 would not be my weapon of choice. It jams at the most inconvenient times. Kind of like when one's mouth gets a little ahead of their brain. Regarding the report--it is a 200+ page Pdf--so don't click on the link unless you really want to read it.
Character is east to ascertain once someone has given you the opportunity to examine it. The "hate all republicans" bandwagon is the reason for Mr. Franken's minimal success in this contest, nothing more. Minnesota is an extremely liberal state with "vigilent" liberals[witness the Paul Welstone memorial] echoing the Keith Olbermann mantra. You seem happy with Mr. Franken and I wish you well and the same wishes go out to the voters in Nancy Pelosi's district as the distinguished Cindy Sheehan will be vying for her house seat! Is this what our system has come to? Maybe Britney Spears will run in my district and then I may choose to compromise my dignity by casting my precious vote for a dim-witted corndog. BTW, Sherlock, my mouse stays stationed @ the last cursor point! Your commador 64 may not have that function so I can understand your confusion!
You keep arguing against yourself. You said Reagan was a successful actor before becoming Governor. Britney Spears is a successful singer. What's the difference, as far as qualifications for office go?
Franken has a pretty good grip of politics. I would strongly oppose Sheehan. I also don't think Caroline Kennedy should get Hillary's Senate seat. The name isn't that important a factor for me.
No, my cursor will stay there, if I want to hunker down and stare at the keys while I type, then be very careful not to brush the mousepad before I click the button. It's humorous picturing someone posting in that manner.
I stipulated it was character that was most revealing but you appear to have selective "hearing"! Line up 100 valdictorians and I, like most people, would tend to admire the one possessing the finest character. The one who would stoop to help a child, the one who would walk a grandmother across a busy street, the one who would sacrifice his life for any one of us. America saw that in Mr. Reagan and I can hardly say that for Mr. Franken, Ms. Spears or most politicians today---repulican and democrat. As for my typing style, if it's that distracting to you I"ll revert to my highschool hunt and peck method when replying specifically to you but I think it really is a non-issue.
Reagan divorced Jane Wyman and married Nancy because he got Nancy pregnant. "The finest character", indeed.
It's not distracting, just humorous.
I know you cons like to get into your little subjective qualifications games, at least when non-Republicans are the subject. Franken graduated cum laude from Harvard, was a fellow at harvard's Kennedy school of government, did commentary on political conventions for CNN, was a founding member of one of the longest running most successful television shows ever,and had a politics-based radio show for at least a couple of years that beat many of the right wing shows in some markets.
But that's just details. IMO, he has an understanding of politics and America that I haven't seen in a GOP candidate in quite a while, including the most recent presidential candidate and the current president.
It's not subjective qualifications I'm focused on, i'ts cumulative references of anti-social, anti-government and anti-establishment behaviour Mr. Franken has developed over the last two decades that lead me, and so many others, to question his motives for seeking a senate seat! We have seen a contemporary example of office seeking motives in Illinois and it troubles me to think our system of government and politics fosters such irresponsible behaviour. I have yet to see Mr. Franken appearing on ANY legitimate, national forum stating precisely why he is seeking a senate seat! I don't live in minnesota but since a senator weilds incredible power, I think it is responsible for ALL Americans to question the legitamacy of ALL candidates especially in light of recent politicians, republican and democrat alike, who have betrayed the public trust. This kind of discourse always tends to expose the "monday night quarterback" in all of us and I and other conservatives walk in to a lion's den when we post on a website like MMFA, but to hear and read the blogs that are contrary to my perception of life in America, i'ts well worth the small discomfort of "name-calling" and "clic" behaviour.
I don't think she was missing, so much as she was dead.
It's my impression that the small time FL County Coroner couldn't twist from the fact that she died from a blow to the head, but he did agree to find that the U.S. Representative's (scareboro's) intern suffered her head injury form inexplicably falling down, all by herself in a room on a level floor (not on stairs or anything: and I apologize to anyone related to the poor young woman, for recounting her untimely death here).
Anyway, scareboro sure did parachute out of the U.S. House of Representatives after that (and ever notice how rare if ever never, he mentions he's a former U.S. Representative? I wonder why)... he sure does serve a Republican purpose today, almost like he was repaying a debt of some kind.
I asked the same question, and my post was removed. Except I posted that she had died, not gone missing.
Why would that post be removed, it is a valid question to ask Mr Scarborough.
Someone must have flagged it as well as the replies to it. Pretty lame thing to do.
This is for Joe: in case you or anyone else wants to refresh their memories regarding the mysterious death of Lori Klausutis. Or perhaps here. What about that cease and desist order you had your lawyers send to All Hat and No Cattle? Of course we know you really resigned 'to spend more time with your sons' because we believe anything and everything you say. Can't you feel the love? Not enough for you? Here are a few more links. Just to say thanks for the publicity we thought we might return the favor. Of course it all might be just another strange and untimely death. You know--those conspiracy theorists. To conspire means to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end. And we all know that never happens. We love you Joe.
Why is there no suggestion that Norm Coleman is equally in a position to purloin a few votes here and there sufficient to put him over the top? What proof is there that anyone has "stolen" a single vote? Perhaps it's just a prejudice against comedians...can't figure out what else it could be. ;>)
The difference is that Coleman was in the lead after the original count.
If the situation were reversed, the idiots from the left would be talking about Coleman stealing votes to overtake Franken instead of the idiots on the right saying the same thing about Franken stealing votes, or needing to steal votes, to overtake Coleman.
Seems to me the only vote stealing going on has been those 133 votes from a Franken stronghold precinct.
The difference is that Coleman was in the lead after the original count. - bruce1ace
With the difference before the recount as close as it was, Coleman really had every bit as much incentive to steal votes as did Franken. We all knew that the margin was much, much smaller than the number of votes that the recount would add to the total, and neither side knew on which side they'd fall.
From what I know of the two men, I think Coleman's level of integrity makes him more likely to attempt to steal votes. Regardless, I don't believe right now that either one did.
That shows how the Republicans think. Anything can be stolen. Maybe the US Attorney for Minnesota should be investigating Pat. If he were talking about stealing an election for a Republican I could believe he would help out any way he could. I could not imaginePat Buchanan stealing anything for a Democrat. Oh well, the jails could soon be overflowing with disgraced Republicans anyway.
Yes, because Joe and Pat were having a bit of fun with the Minnesota election results, that means that ALL Republicans think stealing an election is okay.
I suppose I could make the same argument and say that ALL Democrats believe anything is for sale, even Senate seats.
Moron.
Probably because this is an incredibly close race, and Coleman originally had the narrow lead?
I have to expect that if the circumstances were reversed, any significant number of people suggesting fraud would be proof of a liberal media in your eyes. But here, if a conservative says something about a liberal, then it supposedly proves something about the liberal.
Sounds like "sour grapes" for the 2000 Florida debacle! No hanging chads or butterfly ballots---close race indeed---and Mr. Coleman is the incumbant, a well liked senator running against a political no-name, just a circus side-show act willing to fracture the political process for a "thumb-in-the-eye" of America! There SHOULD be questions!
So in a country disenchanted by Republicans, it's supposed to be suspicious that a Democrat is involved in a close race in Minnesota, a state that is not exactly red anyway? It's very difficult to take that argument seriously.
Only if it's Al Franken!
Oh, that's very compelling.
It's the best I can do with my now limited typing style.