Most Outrageous Comments of 2008
With attacks on autistic children, the poor, and HIV-positive basketball star Magic Johnson, talking heads showed that nobody was safe in 2008, no matter how unfounded and unseemly the smear. Progressive politicians, particularly Secretary of State-designate Hillary Clinton and President-elect Barack Obama, were also targets. Obama was called everything from a "pussy" (Don Imus), to a "steamy crap sandwich" (Chris Krok). One commentator said Obama "fits the stereotype blacks once labeled as an Oreo -- a black on the outside, a white on the inside" (John McLaughlin), while others associated him with the Antichrist (Bill Cunningham, Chris Baker, Brian Sussman, others). Michelle Obama was also targeted, being described, among other things, as "Kim Jong-Il dressed up with a bit of Oprah Winfrey dressing" (Mark Steyn). MSNBC's Chris Matthews said Clinton's success is attributable not to her merit, but to the fact that "her husband messed around."
The list of offenses to women, minorities, gays and lesbians, immigrants, and others in 2008 is a long one, but here are some of the standouts:
CHRIS MATTHEWS
After vowing not to underestimate Clinton, Matthews asserted, "[T]he reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around": "Let's not forget -- and I'll be brutal -- the reason she's [Hillary Clinton] a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around. That's how she got to be senator from New York. We keep forgetting it. She didn't win there on her merit. She won because everybody felt, 'My God, this woman stood up under humiliation,' right? That's what happened." (January 9)
MICHAEL SAVAGE
Savage claimed Lantos used the Holocaust as "a weapon the rest of his life": Following the death of Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA), a native Hungarian who escaped from a Nazi slave-labor camp during World War II, Savage said: "You're not supposed to talk badly about the dead. I generally wouldn't do it. But in the case of Tom Lantos, I'll make an exception. I think he was one of the most -- he was a scoundrel. And I'll tell you why I detested Tom Lantos. The man survived the Holocaust of World War II and used it as a weapon the rest of his life." (February 11)
Savage: "The children's minds are being raped by the homosexual mafia": Responding to a caller who said, "I had to explain to my young son why these two men were holding hands the other day," Savage stated, "You've got to explain to the children ... why God told people this was wrong. ... You have to explain this to them in this time of mental rape that's going on. The children's minds are being raped by the homosexual mafia, that's my position. They're raping our children's minds." (June 16)
Savage on autism: "A fraud, a racket. ... In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out": "Now, you want me to tell you my opinion on autism, since I'm not talking about autism? A fraud, a racket. ... You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, 'Don't behave like a fool.' The worst thing he said -- 'Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry.' That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have." (July 16)
Savage: "Why should a welfare recipient have the right to vote? They're only gonna vote themselves a raise": "Do you think a person on welfare has the right to vote? I don't. Why should a person who is on public assistance maintain the right to vote? Tell me why. Where is it written that they should have the right to vote? I support them, and they should have the same vote I do? That would be like saying an infant has the right to vote or an insane person has the right to vote. Why should a welfare recipient have the right to vote? They're only gonna vote themselves a raise." (October 22)
E.D. HILL
Fox News' E.D. Hill teased discussion of Obama dap: "A fist bump? A pound? A terrorist fist jab?": Teasing an upcoming segment on the Obamas' "fist bump or fist pound" Hill stated: "A fist bump? A pound? A terrorist fist jab? The gesture everyone seems to interpret differently. We'll show you some interesting body communication and find out what it really says." (June 6)
BILL CUNNINGHAM
Cunningham invoked "[s]ix-six-six" and "the beast" in discussing "Barack Hussein Obama": Cunningham stated that 666,000 new voters were registered in Ohio prior to the presidential election, then stated, "Six, six, six. The mark of the beast. The great majority, of course, are registered by ACORN. ... Who conducted ACORN seminars to tell ACORN employees and others how to cheat the system? Barack Hussein Obama. I may declare him to be the beast. Six, six, six. It could be the end of all days." Cunningham repeated the attack in his October 13 broadcast. (October 10)
Cunningham on Obama Sr.: "That's what black fathers do. They simply leave": Cunningham stated of Sen. Barack Obama's childhood: "[I]magine at the age of 1 or 2 seeing your father for the last time. See, his father was a typical black father who, right after the birth, left the baby. That's what black fathers do. They simply leave." (October 28)
Cunningham: "[P]eople are poor in America ... because they lack values, morals, and ethics": "[U]nlike many countries in the world, Steve [Malanga, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and senior editor of City Journal, an urban policy journal], we have fat poor people. We don't have skinny poor people. Ours are fat and flatulent. ...You know, people are poor in America, Steve, not because they lack money; they're poor because they lack values, morals, and ethics. And if government can't teach and instill that, we're wasting our time simply giving poor people money." (October 28)
Cunningham alleged that "Obama wants to gas the Jews": After claiming that American-born Middle East scholar Rashid Khalidi "wants to gas and fry Jews," Cunningham said, "Jews for [Sen. John] McCain because Obama wants to gas the Jews, like the PLO wants to gas the Jews, like the Nazis gassed the Jews." (October 30)
MARC RUDOV
Marc Rudov on "the downside" of a woman president: "You mean besides the PMS and the mood swings, right?": Responding to the question "What is the downside of having a woman become the president of the United States?" Rudov said: "You mean besides the PMS and the mood swings, right?" (March 10)
CHRIS KROK
Gibson's guest host Krok called Obama a "steamy hot pile of crap wedged between two pieces of bread": Referring to Obama, Krok said: "This whole thing, you know what it is? It is Christmas morning and you wake up and there is a beautiful present beneath the tree. And it looks so beautiful it is awesome. It's like you're so excited and you're so everything, you know, 'Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama.' You're cheering, you're cheering, you're cheering, 'Obama, Obama, Obama.' And then you open up the present and you go, 'Oooh, I can't wait.' Your mouth is salivating, and watering, and you're getting so -- 'Ooooh.' And you get the present, and you get your hands -- 'Oh yeah.' And you're going to rip it up. You open it up, and then what is inside is a sandwich. And you get excited, 'Oh, a sandwich.' And you take a big bite of that sandwich. But what is it? What's inside of that sandwich? It is a stinking -- stinky, hot, steamy crap sandwich. It is a stinky, hot -- it is a steaming, hot pile of crap wedged between two pieces of bread. That is what Barack Obama is. He is a steamy crap sandwich. He is a fraud." (August 7)
CHRIS BAKER
Minneapolis radio host Baker on Pelosi's response to Wall Street crisis: "Another reason why it's very rare to find a woman worthy of serving in political office": "And Nancy Pelosi, that -- get another facelift, lady. She runs -- yesterday, they ask her, 'Do Democrats have any responsibility here?' And what does she say? 'No.' Another reason why it's very rare to find a woman worthy of serving in political office." (September 17)
Minneapolis radio host Baker repeatedly called Obama "Nicolae Carpathia," the Antichrist character in the Left Behind series: Baker described Obama as "the Nicolae Carpathia candidate," "the Nicolae Carpathia of this election," and "the Nicolae Carpathia political Jesus." Carpathia is the Antichrist character in the Left Behind series of novels dealing with the "end times," the biblical tribulation described in the Book of Revelation. (September 23)
Minneapolis radio host Baker: "I don't think homeless people should vote"; "I'm not that excited about women voting": "I don't think homeless people should vote. Frankly. In fact, I have to be very honest. I'm not that excited about women voting, to be honest. I'm not. OK? You know? But that's just me. I'm a pig, and that's fine. All right? And we'll see that, I'm sure, on a lame-ass website very soon. But I don't think hobos ought to vote at all. They're nuts. And I think that there needs to be a little more care in who votes." (October 2)
Minneapolis radio hosts Baker and Perry are "convinced" that Magic Johnson "faked AIDS": Baker and fellow KLTK-FM host Langdon Perry agreed that "Magic faked AIDS," referring to former basketball star Earvin "Magic" Johnson, who announced in 1991 that he had tested HIV-positive:
PERRY: What about diseases that are eminently treatable and you can live with for a long, long time quite healthily if you just get some basic drugs?
BAKER: Like Magic Johnson.
PERRY: Like Magic with his faked AIDS. Magic faked AIDS.
BAKER: You think Magic faked AIDS for sympathy?
PERRY: I'm convinced that Magic faked AIDS.
BAKER: Yeah, me too.
PERRY: It falls apart --
BAKER: Which is horrible.
PERRY: -- when you get into motivation. I'm not sure why, but I'm pretty sure he faked AIDS.
BAKER: I've got a great email here from --
PERRY: 'Cause he's the only cured AIDS guy ever.
MARK STEYN
On Beck, Mark Steyn described Michelle Obama as "Kim Jong-Il dressed up with a bit of Oprah Winfrey dressing": "The right to be uninvolved, the right to be left alone is one of the most precious rights in a constitutional republic. And if she wants me to shed my cynicism, she's going to have to prize it from my cold, dead, cynical fingers. This is not -- this is [North Korean dictator] Kim Jong-Il dressed up with a bit of Oprah Winfrey dressing." (April 10)
RUSH LIMBAUGH
Limbaugh: "If Barack Obama were Caucasian, they would have taken this guy out on the basis of pure ignorance long ago": "I am just telling you, if this guy were Dan Quayle -- if he -- can I channel Geraldine Ferraro? If Barack Obama were Caucasian, they would have taken this guy out on the basis of pure ignorance long ago." (May 14)
BILL O'REILLY
O'Reilly: "It is not a stretch to say MoveOn is the new Klan": Responding to MoveOn.org's "Petition Against Fox's Racist & Hate-Filled Smears," O'Reilly said: "Obama must condemn organizations like MoveOn and the Daily Kos if he truly wants to run without a race component. These are the people that are dividing Americans along racial lines. It is not a stretch to say MoveOn is the new Klan." (July 23)
JOHN MCLAUGHLIN
McLaughlin echoes smear of Michelle Obama: "You don't think she's a black militant?": McLaughlin asked Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page: "Do you think Michelle -- do you think she leaves the impression -- not mine, but I've heard this -- that she has a chip on her shoulder? ... You don't think she's a black militant?" (February 24)
McLaughlin: Obama "fits the stereotype blacks once labeled as an Oreo -- a black on the outside, a white on the inside": "Question: Does it frost Jackson, Jesse Jackson, that someone like Obama, who fits the stereotype blacks once labeled as an Oreo -- a black on the outside, a white on the inside -- that an Oreo should be the beneficiary of the long civil rights struggle which Jesse Jackson spent his lifetime fighting for?" (July 11-13)
LEE RODGERS
KSFO's Rodgers: "[F]emale leadership of the Democratic Party" consists of "ugly skanks" who "hate" that "Sarah Palin's good-looking": "Look at these ugly skanks, who make up the female leadership of the Democratic Party. I mean, my God -- you know, guys sitting around, talking, perhaps in a bar someplace -- they have a way of scoring them. I know, it's sexist. It's sexist. It's unfair, and all of that, but they will look over a female who comes in and just make an announcement: How many drinks it would take before you'd jump her bones, you know. ... You look at most of the headline women of the Democratic Party, you're thinking, 'It's gotta be closing time and five drinks, and maybe not even then.' And that's what they're really PO'd about. [Gov.] Sarah Palin's good-looking and they hate that." (September 17)
DON IMUS
Imus: Obama is "almost a bigger pussy than" Clinton: While discussing the April 16 Democratic debate, Imus said, "I thought Senator Obama was on the defensive most of the night. But they're both sissy boys or sissy girls, or whatever. Because they talk big when they're out on the campaign trail, wolfing on each other. And then when they show up at the debate, they fold up like a couple of cheap lawn chairs. I mean, I don't understand that. And he's almost a bigger pussy than she [Hillary Clinton] is." (April 17)
JIM QUINN
Quinn called NOW the "National Organization for Whores," said columnist Fatimah Ali should "get an American name": "Yesterday, I said, I wonder how long it's going to be before one of these Alinskyites -- formerly known as Democrats -- one of these Alinskyites out there suggests that Sarah Palin is not really a woman. Remember [Sen.] Kay Bailey Hutchison [R-TX] was a female impersonator, according to the National Organization for Whores?" Later in the program, Quinn aired a clip of Fox News host and Washington managing editor Brit Hume discussing a Philadelphia Daily News column by Fatimah Ali. Following the clip, Quinn said: "[Y]ou know, Fatimah, what's your real name? Come on, seriously. I mean, get an American name, will you, if you want to be an American. You don't suppose she's a liberal black Muslim, do you?" (September 3)
Quinn's solution to "Palestine issue": "[L]evel it and then salt the earth so that nothing grows for a thousand years": "There's only one way to settle the Palestine -- the Palestine issue," and that "is to level it and then salt the earth so that nothing grows for a thousand years, because that's how the Muslims would have treated each other, and did." (October 29)
NEWT GINGRICH
Gingrich: "[T]here is a gay and secular fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us": "I think there is a gay and secular fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us, is prepared to use violence, to use harassment. I think it is prepared to use the government if it can get control of it. I think that it is a very dangerous threat to anybody who believes in traditional religion." (November 14)
G. GORDON LIDDY
Liddy: Obama concentration camp will serve "ham hocks and turnip greens": G. Gordon Liddy spoke to a caller who stated: "I'm ready to go to the concentration camp, that [Sen. Barack] Obama's police force -- he will round me up. Because I -- I'm a white American." Liddy then said, "Well, listen to this," and aired an edited clip of Obama saying in a July 2 speech in Colorado Springs: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." Liddy then stated: "Shades of the Gestapo. The Geheime Staatspolizei," to which the caller replied: "How's the cooking going to be? What will -- what will they serve, at the camp?" Liddy responded: "Well, I think, probably, there'll be ham hocks and turnip greens." (November 4)
BRIAN SUSSMAN
Question for KSFO's Sussman: Did Reagan's self-description as a "citizen ... of the world" make him the Antichrist, too?: Guest-hosting on The Lee Rodgers Show, Brian Sussman said of Obama's July 24 speech in Berlin, Germany, "As I was watching that speech, I could have sworn he was running for Antichrist." (July 28)













I am not sure this was outreagous, but more funny.
DON IMUS
Imus: Obama is "almost a bigger pussy than" Clinton: While discussing the April 16 Democratic debate, Imus said, "I thought Senator Obama was on the defensive most of the night. But they're both sissy boys or sissy girls, or whatever. Because they talk big when they're out on the campaign trail, wolfing on each other. And then when they show up at the debate, they fold up like a couple of cheap lawn chairs. I mean, I don't understand that. And he's almost a bigger pussy than she [Hillary Clinton] is." (April 17)
Calling someone a "P" is not funny.
Lets just let these stand as some of the years most outrageous quotes. As I read the list, I can't decide. There are so many really bad statements. Its amazing that anyone still takes these people seriously.
This could have received honorable mention...
Hillary Clinton:
"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."
I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."
Oh good grief Victor. No one could possibly consider that comment to be as offensive, degrading, racist, homophobic etc. as anything in this article. Get real.
She's not in the media, so I should not have cited her quote - but it was, in fact, an outrageous comment, not offensive. Did you not read the headline?
Her comment was said in the heat of an election and was no more outrageous than your buddy David Schuster saying the Clintons were pimping Chelsea.
I would like to know why David Schuster is not listed for this disgusting comment
SHUSTER: But doesn't it seem like she's being --
PRESS: -- her husband, so --
SHUSTER: But doesn't it seem like Chelsea's sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?
PRESS: No. She's there -- listen. If she didn't want to be there, she wouldn't be there. I mean, give Chelsea a break. I think it's great. Again, Michelle Obama's out there for her husband. What's the big deal, David? I --
SHUSTER: Well, here is the big deal. I will give Chelsea Clinton a break when she sits down and gives an interview to somebody like --
I think the apologies helped.
Good point J,
Shusters comment was a new low for MSNBC. You would think they would have learned in 2008 after the 2007 Imus racist remarks?
Obviously not, Schuster is still on the air with his smerk . The stain is still there though. I know Senator Clinton will never forget the smearing of her daughter. Disgusting.
Senator Clinton accepted the apologies.
So did some of the Rutgers Girls with Imus, not sure what your point is. Just because someone Apologizes does not mean it is ok.
What!? MSNBC's and Schuster's apologies were swift and sincere. The same can NOT be said of Imus. It is just plain crazy to compare the two.
I am far from comparing the two, the point is anyone can apologize. OJ apologized last week, that does not mean we do not discuss it. Do you have a love affair with Schuster? Why the defense of someone who hurt Senator Clintons daughter with a nasty word? Why does Schuster get a pass from you? And not to compare the two but Imus was fired , that was swift and sincere as documented here on MMFA regarding Steve Capus conduct after that incident. Schuster should of been fired, hate speech toward innocent people should not be allowed ever. Chelsea is innocent. She was helping her mother in an election that was it. Plain and simple.
Do you have a love affair with Schuster?
Are you 11 years old? I am simply explaining to you why Schuster did not make this list. That's all.
Your explanation is not acceptable or valid to me, it seems tainted. Thats all.
I agree with you, I am not sure why someone apologizes means that it should not be discussed. That being said in reading this over these things in the thread are horrible, and Schusters did not make the list , that does not mean it was not a horrible thing that he said. It was petty and I am sure very hurtful to the Clintons. Schuster was suspended he should have been fired imo. NBC Feels otherwise.
Who said it should not be discussed? Anyone?
You had an issue with JLyons and I discussing it. Am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong. My only point was to explain why Schster DID NOT MAKE THIS LIST. That was it. Beleive it or not, that does not mean that I am in love with David Schuster.
Why did you bring this up earlier if you understood why Schuter did not make the list, why on earth would a comment from a Presidential Candidate make the list?
Posted by Victor Colorado
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This could have received honorable mention...
Hillary Clinton:
"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."
Sorry, this has become too inane for me.
Sadly your comments have been too inane for me also.
Thanks!!!!
I would like to know why David Schuster is not listed for this disgusting comment
Well the list was already getting fairly long. I was somewhat overwhelmed to read all this slime in one gulp. Thankfully it wasn't longer. Page 2 tommorrow?
The list is long , MMFA could write a journal on all the right wing hate and vicious comments spewed out this year. Savage has to lead the way with his speech.
If I remember right, I think this was documented by Media Matters. This doesn't seem to be that complete of a list considering a lot of the other stuff they documented over the year (I mean Bill O' only said one outragious thing this year?).
It was documented by MMFA, and that is another example of why MMFA is so important in checking these things.
So many outrageous comments, so little time (and space).
Thanks to MMFA for their due diligence for the year 2008. And sorry to all the interns who had to listen to/read all of the crapola being spewed by the usual suspects. God bless their Tiny Tim hearts.
And may the ghosts of Christmas past be visited upon the miserly and miserable souls that are purveyors of the wretched dreck that passes for news, commentary, punditry or entertainment. Only a very sunny soul would deign to believe they will ever ammend their ways. They will live to scrooge us another day.
A classic! Great post!
I agree with you there, dude. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that you "will live to scrooge us another day" :(
Hope you're OK up there in North Tex, juliajayne. Heard ya'll had some really nasty storms yesterday.
Hey Scott, I'm fine. Thanks for asking. How're things in the golden triangle?
I don't see how anyone can beat the Savage's comments on autistic children but unless this is only confined to the talking heads Michele Bachmann's saying that congress needed to be investaged to see who is pro American and who is anti American is the one statement that I thought was the most outrageous.
Right, it's just for those in the media. Bachmann's comment was flat-out psychotic, if she could be included here she certainly would be.
Doh! Good point. Media only. Please disregard Clinton, too.
If I were to award 1st place it would be a tie between Savage and Cunntingham.
I'm surprised there wasn't more Limbaugh and O'Reilly on the list. Did Hannity even make the list? I totally missed the 'Magic Johnson faked AIDS story'. What a couple of morons.
A nice compilation of some of the stupidest things we hear broadcast on our Public Airwaves.
Of the million things that can be said about those quotes, I'd say just these few off the top of my head (and from the tips of my keyboard fingers):
I don't think exactly in terms of who is and who is not an "ugly skank", but I'll say this affirmatively: Rep. Nancy Pelosi is a pretty good-looking woman, period.
I say "period", because I don't want to qualify the sentiment with "for her age"... she's good-looking, period. And there's nothing in her voice or style that detracts from that fact (my opinion). I'm not referring to the woman's public policy opinions, but to her appearance (the comment is about "ugly skanks"): she's a fine looking woman, and I wouldn't kick her out of a Committee Meeting (unless she wanted to sleep on the floor).
I'd pay money, all that I have, to match don imus and President Obama in person, and then have that cadaverous skeletal hatred-mongerer call the man a "puzzy" to his face... gloves or bare knuckles, whatever, swing away gentlemen at your own pleasure!
I'd bet (all my money) that President Obama would bloody that drunk's nose and lip (if indeed he has any blood to bleed); anyway, it's awful easy to call a man a "puzzy" when he isn't standing there in person, to maybe refute the charge, and maybe bloody your face for what you said, to his face (which imus of course did not do: he did not say that "puzzy" thing to the man's face).
And oh yeah, the gingrich quote contains more truth than anyone here cares to admit to.
But screw that.
I prefer visions of Mr. Obama bloodying don imus' nose and lip and overall face (I don't know just how much of that life's vehicle the radio cadaver could really spare to bleed: he looks more than "down a quart", he looks bone dry and empty to me), and puffing the skeleton's cheeks and mousing him just under the eye...
And Mrs. Pelosi: she is fine looking... disagree? Then you're either too partisan, or too little observant of a woman's look, not in the natural heat of youth, but in time, and in total.
It's an Art, and I appreciate it.
Demo, I'd put money on Obama in that match as well.
I don't know if you're being facetious about the Newt comment. I would agree that openly gay people are a threat to the anti-gay as far as they may force them to deal with reality, and that could be considered a threat to their thinking.
The wannabe tough guy act is a favorite of the conservative nancy-boys. I only hear small bits of Rush L's show, usually the last 1/2 hour as I go to lunch, and while Tom Hartman is at commercials, but I've heard the Fat One address Obama at least twice as "you little squirrel!" as he delivered a very macho WWE-style barrage of insults.
And by "address", of course I mean yelling at strawmen distorted from an audio tape quote of Obama, who's not anywhere around to respond.
These are the guys who think obeying the government and sending other peoples' kids off to kill people shows strength.
As far as what the political whore hack media stooge gingrich was here quoted as saying (and beware this creature: he wears so many different hats for so long a time, he could come at any hour of the night or day, as a pundit or as a presidential candidate, or as a House Rep or Community College professor... as long as Fox News Channel works on your political opinions, so long will newt gingrich have a platform)...
As for the subject matter, it is not Public Policy of a high priority, or Public Policy at all, unless someone (such as newt or his antagonists) forces it on you.
Anyway, I like to keep my eye on the Public Policy ball: and I like to differentiate what is and what is not not Public Policy... and I like to sound alarm at the enemy's BAITING and probing fire...
I would just as soon nod assent to the whore gingrich's Middle America's kweer fear mongering, kweer-baiting tactics and strategies...
I am old when it comes to these things (I have seen too much of it): and I wish to be shut of the noise... I wish to be wise, or at least wiser.
Sexual stuff has so little to do with Public Policy.
I am usually at a great loss when I hear these things forced into our political discourse (and I am always somewhat embarrassed)... let's talk Policy, and let's talk a lot.
But measure the talk for it's substance: have we seen such queer talk in the genration of our fathers? Have we seen it much before 2004?
It is meant (by design) to separate us, and bring the better stronger part of us down... reject it.
"I think there is a gay and secular fascism in this country"
Is that the Gingrich quote you're referring to? If so, I don't see a whole lot of truth in it. Sure, there are a$$holes in any group, but I don't see any systemic oppression of the Religious Heterosexual majority, which is what he is asserting.
..I think that it is a very dangerous threat to anybody who believes in traditional religion."
That's the only part of Newt's comment I could get on board with.Not the threat he imagines, nor for his reasons (violence, harassment, government control by maniacal gays), but the threat of reality and truth hitting people who prefer staying in their insulated Bigot Bubbles. Atop their Hate Horses.
Wow, Demo2020 said there was truth in that? I was going to vote for it for most outrageous. As Orwell pointed out, the word fascism is way over-used, but good grief! Would Gingrich have said there is a Negro and Communist fascism, if it were the sixites?
Gay people want to be first-class citizens, and secular people want to maintain the separation of Church and State. Only in the demented minds of the easily-confused does this constitute some kind of assault on someone else's rights. Oh but they are easily confused. A radio show caller here in Sacramento called to gripe about the erosion of liberties. His first example was the no-on-prop-8 movement. How our struggle to protect this man's right to marry another man somehow took away his liberties is anyone's guess. Perhaps in his mind he was protecting his right to not have other people have rights? I dunno.
I thought of the autism coment too, but I voted for the orange juice coment. As inane a coment as I've ever run accross.
Totally agree. Matthews' 'ordering orange juice at a diner' comment was far and away most the inane in '08.
If this were a poll, it would not be an easy choice for me.
Well, if Newtie qualifies as a member of the Media, what about Perennial Douchebag Pat Boone? I think his comparison of Proposition 8 protesters to the Mumbai Terrorists deserves recognition.
Damn hate sure gets a lot of air time. It's pretty obvious as long as masses flock to these a**hats world peace is a fantasy never to be achieved
Until the sponsors of these hate shows are held accountable, hate will continue to have a place on our nations airwaves.
C'mon guys - it's about drama, excitement, adrinelin, juice - serious policy talk and the lessons of history cause our eyes to roll up into our brow and drowse - and it's about the dumming of America - c'mon, tens of millions of us voted for Bush . . TWICE. Thanks MM for what seems a largely thankless task . . .
I was somewhat surprised that Chris Matthews comments about chill up my leg or the aqua-velva comment about Fred Thompson wasn't included on the stupid punditry list.
Ugliest Hatie Commentator: My vote goes to Bill Cunningham.
So far as what they say? It would take a Solomon to determine the ugliest.
There really is not enough time or screen space to list my favorites, many of which are listed here. Although FOX "News" is perhaps the most widely watched hate-mill, there are AM Talk-Radio hate-mongers that some of us DON"T hear. The MSM, the regular networks, the national news pundits, etc. are all guilty of the most outrageous idiocy. This ain't the 50s and 60s, folks. There was some attempt at responsible journalism and a devotion to the moral obligation that news gathering had up to recently. This was fun, though.
down is up, up is down, left is right, right is wrong. stephen colbert has made a career mocking these hate mongers just as stewart has done rather well mocking "the girls of cnn". given that he popularized the concept that accusing your enemy of doing exactly what you're already doing, i find newt's quote most entertaining.
yes, newt. we know you think it's important to shred the consitution to the extent it furthers your agenda. if it weren't taken seriously by the half-educated, racist white-folks out there, it'd be hilarious. but it is taken seriously and is quite akin to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater that's not on fire. it's damaging and needs to be brought under control.
as for the rest --- they're dangerous, not for what they say, but for who believes it. it's not censorship to make the act of knowingly spreading false information illegal. had the germans done that before goehring et al took over the german "news" completely, the german public might have seen through hitler's pathetic lie used to justify the unprovoked invasion of poland.
we're close to that. we need to fix this. race is irrelevant. let's get on with undoing the awful consequences of republican rule for the last 30 years and building for the future.
Excellent post, johnmartin. You bring up some important questions. The idea of "censorship", for example and the German people vis-a-vis the Nazi propaganda machine. "Knowingly spreading false information" resulting in the "unprovoked invasion of Poland" is a good case for, if not censorship, certainly some kind of "oversight" mechanism, or a regulatory thing of sorts. Holding LIARS accountable is a good step in the right direction. We have not done a very good job in THIS country by that account. The "Right to Bear Arms" is another good example. Anyone has the "right" to walk into a gun shop and buy a weapon. The weapon is duly registered and is "legal" to possess. The buyer then walks into a school or building and kills a dozen innocent people. He has used his "right to bear arms" to murder people. Confusing, no?