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January 08, 2009 3:24 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Rush Limbaugh falsely asserted that Rep. Barney Frank "created the problem" of the subprime mortgage crisis, claiming that Frank's "definition of affordable housing was to make sure that people who couldn't pay the loans back got the loans, the mortgages. He forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to do this." In fact, Frank has advocated for policies that emphasize low-income home rentals as opposed to homeownership and supported legislation to strengthen oversight over Fannie and Freddie.

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During the January 7 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh falsely asserted that Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) "created the problem" of the subprime mortgage crisis. Limbaugh claimed that Frank's "definition of affordable housing was to make sure that people who couldn't pay the loans back got the loans, the mortgages. He forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to do this." In fact, Frank has advocated for policies that emphasize low-income home rentals as opposed to homeownership and supported legislation to strengthen oversight over Fannie and Freddie. Indeed, in a profile of Frank for the January 12 edition of The New Yorker, staff writer Jeffrey Toobin wrote: "According to Frank, at the root of the real-estate crisis was a misguided notion that homeownership should be available to all people -- what President Bush has called 'the ownership society.' "

In his profile of Frank, Toobin wrote:

According to Frank, at the root of the real-estate crisis was a misguided notion that homeownership should be available to all people -- what President Bush has called "the ownership society." "The 'I told you so' here is that homeownership is a nice thing but it is not suitable for everybody," Frank said at Boston College. "There are people in this society who don't have enough money to be homeowners, and there are people whose lives are not sufficiently integrated for them to take on the responsibility to be a homeowner. And we did too much pushing of people into inappropriate mortgages and into homeownership." He said that many people would always be renters, and that there was nothing wrong with this. "We need to get back in the business of building rental housing and preserving the housing we have," he said.

Additionally, as Media Matters for America has documented, Frank has supported efforts to strengthen oversight of Fannie and Freddie, including:

  • In 2005, Frank, then the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, worked with committee chairman Rep. Michael Oxley (R-OH) on the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005, which would have established the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) to replace the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) as overseer of the activities of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. After voting for the bill in committee, Frank voted against final passage of the bill on the House floor, stating that he was doing so because an amendment to the bill on the House floor imposed restrictions on the kinds of nonprofit organizations that could receive funding under the bill.
  • In early 2007, as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Frank sponsored H.R. 1427, a bill to create the FHFA, granting that agency "general supervisory and regulatory authority over" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and directing it to reform the companies' business practices and regulate their exposure to credit and market risk. Among other things, Frank's legislation, titled the "Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2007," directed the FHFA director to "ensure" that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "operate[] in a safe and sound manner, including maintenance of adequate capital and internal controls" and to establish standards for "management of credit and counterparty risk" and "management of market risk." The FHFA was eventually created after Congress incorporated provisions that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said were "similar" to those of H.R. 1427 into the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, which the president signed into law on July 30, 2008.

Indeed, in his profile, Toobin wrote:

In 2005, while the Democrats were still in the minority, Frank contributed to a bipartisan effort to put his objectives -- tighter regulation of Fannie and Freddie and new funds for rental housing -- into law. At the time, Fannie and Freddie were regulated by a small agency within the Department of Housing and Urban Development; the bill proposed to create an independent agency to monitor their operations. Frank and Michael Oxley, who was then chairman of the Financial Services Committee, achieved broad bipartisan support for the bill in the committee, and it passed the House. But the Senate never voted on the measure, in part because President Bush was likely to veto it. "If it had passed, that would have been one of the ways we could have reined in the bowling ball going downhill called housing," Oxley told me. "Barney, to some extent, is misunderstood -- with this image of him as a fierce partisan. He is an institutionalist. He believes in the House and in the process. He eschews the grandstanding style that so many members use and prefers to work behind the scenes and get something done."

Limbaugh's attack on Frank echoes false accusations by media conservatives that proponents of the expansion of affordable housing are responsible for the financial crisis. Moreover, his attacks on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac promote a myth that their activities caused the subprime crisis. In fact, as economist Dean Baker noted: "Fannie and Freddie got into subprime junk and helped fuel the housing bubble, but they were trailing the irrational exuberance of the private sector. They lost market share in the years 2002-2007, as the volume of private issue mortgage backed securities exploded."

Later in the broadcast, Limbaugh played a parody song, titled "Banking Queen," featuring an impersonation of Frank by comedian and frequent Limbaugh contributor Paul Shanklin. In the parody, Frank, who refers to himself as "the banking queen," threatens banks to make loans or they'll "be fined," adding: "My friends at Fannie sure need it, do it my way or beat it."

From the January 7 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: Barney Frank -- I want to go to yesterday's audio sound bite roster. Barney Frank -- actually, we have some stuff from today and yesterday. Yesterday, he was on with Chris Cuomo, Good Morning America. And I'll tell you, Barney is getting more and more contentious with his buddies. I mean, the people in the drive-by are Barney's buddies. And he's getting contentious with them, often for no reason, which means he's defensive.

But first, from MSNBC today, Joe Scarborough's morning show. Scarborough said, how do we stop the next big bust on Wall Street? We had the '87 crash, we had the Asian crash, we had the dot-com crash, and the telecom crash, and now we've got the housing bubble crash. And I'll tell you, the next crash, as I just -- I just said, folks, we are insane. It was just two months ago that we learned that massive debt that can't be repaid causes bubbles to burst big time, and now we've got trillion-plus, billion, or trillion-dollar deficits promised by Obama for years. So that's the next one to bust. And -- and Scarborough is asking Barney Frank, how do we figure out what the hell we're doing on Wall Street?

FRANK [audio clip]: Not deregulation that was the problem. It was a failure to adopt new regulations for a new phenomenon, the securitization. The biggest part of this problem was subprime loans -- money lent to people to make them homeowners who couldn't afford the loans, who should not have been considered to be, in many cases, capable financially of homeowning. You've got to recognize reality. We have begun to adopt legislation to prevent that. We can stop the last problem from recurring; nobody can know what the next problem will be.

LIMBAUGH: This is -- I mean -- he created the problem. This -- folks, this is more than chutzpah. He created the problem. This is a sound bite that gets you out of your chair. I don't believe I just heard this. He created it. His definition of affordable housing was to make sure that people who couldn't pay the loans back got the loans, the mortgages. He forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to do this. ACORN was involved -- Obama's group. This was a Democrat [sic] Party operation through and through. And instead of answering questions from Joe Scarborough, Barney Frank ought to be answering them as a witness before some other congressional committee.

So, now we have begun to adopt legislation to prevent this? I mean, all you can do is laugh. I know some of you people are put out with me because I'm laughing at this. Well, what are we going to do? I mean, you can't go through your life angry all the time like the liberals do, but this -- OK, let's move on to Good Morning America with Chris Cuomo and Barney Frank.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: Well, it certainly was the way the subprime mortgage thing went down. It certainly was the way Congress was in charge of telling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac what to do. Barney Frank leading the way, folks -- he was, and is, the "Banking Queen."

[begin audio clip]

You can build
You can buy
Any house your heart desires
Zero down
Financing
I am the banking queen

Friday night and your cash is low
I know a place that you can go
Get your house and use it
Go ahead abuse it
You can do anything

Go out and have a fling
I am the banking queen
Old and sweet
Go ahead and do our thing
Banking queen
Don't complain
Or you'll hear me scream, oh yeah

You can build
You can buy
Any house your heart desires
Zero down
Financing
I am the banking queen

Told the bankers: Hey, you guys
Make the loans or you'll be fined
My friends at Fannie sure need it
Do it my way or beat it
While the stock's crashing

That doesn't mean a thing
I'm still the banking queen
Never spanked for a single thing
Banking queen
Don't complain
Or you'll hear me scream, oh yeah

You can build
You can buy
Any house your heart desires
Zero down
Financing
I am the banking queen

[end audio clip]

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    • Author by JLyons (January 08, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
         
      Rush Homophobic crap can not be tolerated on the public airwaves much longer. Now I want the Fairness Doctrine to stop haters like Rushie. I guess the past 8 years of Bush and his cronies controlling the financial system had no effect on the mortgage crisis.
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      • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (January 08, 2009 10:28 pm ET)
           

        That's what I love about the left. Shut 'em down and shut 'em up. It's become clear that Rush crosses the line on many occasions but to insist that he be silenced only encourages the idea he is more powerful than you are able counter. Let him rant and if you expect to defeat his genre of "ideas", beat him at his own game. I promise you this, if somehow he is shut down, the idea that he was silenced instead of beaten will surely come back to haunt the left.

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        • Author by c_harendza5545 (January 08, 2009 11:02 pm ET)
             

          I agree.  The vast majority of well read folks can see through the smoke (which seems to be worsening by the day).

          As I listen to Rush (and the others - for about 10 minutes at a time - which is about all I can take) I see little more than polarization and hate.   There are no ideas other than "lower taxes" and "deregulate." 

          Anyone who has been around, and coherent, will likely see it is the same old story.

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        • Author by magnolialover (January 09, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
             

          Ah yes, another "free speech" advocate weighing in.

          Being on the radio does not equal free speech.

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    • Author by shaggles (January 08, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
         
      The right keep trying to blame Frank and/or Dodd for the economic meltdown. With Frank they have the added bonus of mocking his sexuality. At least he's open about it unlike all the closet cases on the right. How about a song about Larry Craig called "Mens Room Queen?"
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (January 08, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
           

        Or Ted Haggard:  "Meth Whore Queen".

        Or Mark Foley:  "Page Boy Queen".

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      • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
           

        How about a song about Larry Craig called "Mens Room Queen?"

        Actually Olbermann did a parody about Larry Craig on Countdown called "Tap Three Times"

        So Olbermann jokes about Craig, Limbaugh jokes about Frank. Are either in good taste? Guess it's all in the eyes/ears of the beholder.

        There is plenty of blame to go around for the subprime mortgage crisis...but to listen to both the Left & Right, none of them had anything to do with it.

        Such B.S.

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        • Author by tommy (January 08, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
             

          Agree.  Both parties had their hand in the mess, and typically they blame each other and try to wash their hands of it now.  As well as those who bought homes they knew they couldn't afford, there is plenty of responsibility and blame to share.  But sadly, it's those people who are now surrounded by foreclosed homes in their neighborhood that are being hurt by dropping property values.  Yet the politicians point fingers.

          And yes, tasteless political humor knows no party affiliation.

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          • Author by foghornleghorn (January 08, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
               

            As well as those who bought homes they knew they couldn't afford...

            I've tried to explain to you Tommy numerous times.  But like most conservative misinformation (Al Gore inventing the internet, for example - remember that one?  You had quite a field day parsing invent and create), you continue to believe and repeat this lie. 

            Here's the truth:  The vast, vast, vast majority of foreclosures have nothing, and I mean nothing to do with people knowingly buying houses they couldn't afford. 

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            • Author by achrispage6992 (January 08, 2009 7:26 pm ET)
                 

              Oh yeah? And how is that the "truth?"

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            • Author by tommy (January 09, 2009 11:34 am ET)
                 

              Forgive me if I don't take your "truth" to the bank.  There are plenty of people who bought homes they couldn't afford because they gambled the market would keep going up.  It didn't.  Sometimes when people gamble, they lose.  Buying a home is not like buying a pair of jeans, you need to do your homework and plan.  Many did not.  That being said, this is a very sad situation for many, and needs to dealt with appropriately.  Foreclosed homes sprinkled throughout neighborhoods is not good for anyone, so I am not saying just let them all hang out to dry either.

              But let's not shirk responsibility and shift blame either, that is no way to fix anything.

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          • Author by my4cents (January 08, 2009 9:30 pm ET)
               

            " Both parties had their hand in the mess"

            "those who bought homes they knew they couldn't afford"

            No word about people who loaned the money they knew they could not afford to loan, eh?

            Selective, predictable blaming. Good job.

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            • Author by commonsenseliberal (January 09, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
                 

              Exactly.  The lenders have the ultimate responsibility here.  They used to refuse loans to people who didn't have the income to repay the loan over time.  Then came the greedy folks who figured they could lend as much money as possible, using 'creative lending strategies' to put people in homes who normally wouldn't have qualified for a home.

              You know how that looks to someone who cannot afford a home - and suddenly they can because someone who they thought they could trust came up with a creative lending strategy to give them part of their American dream. 

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        • Author by DorisRussell (January 08, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
             

          Jeter Happy New Year

          Big difference between Larry Craig and Barney Frank

          Larry Craig claims he is not gay, Frank is out about is sexuality.

          Rush is clearly mocking his sexuality , and using not only in poor taste but making fun of gays.

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          • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2009 9:04 pm ET)
               

            Happy New Years to you too Doris :-)

            Yeah I get your point. But even though Larry Craig refuses to come out of the closet, the parody Olbermann presented was still in poor taste, as was the one Limbaugh did on Frank.

            Of course nothing seems to be off limits these days. Some parodies are funny, but I guess anything goes until certain boundaries are voluntarily adhered to or out & out censured. Till then I guess we'll be subjected to just about anything & everything.

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        • Author by snoopy (January 08, 2009 8:17 pm ET)
             

          Hey, I'm the only one around here known for putting politics to music. These @sshats are copying my schtick!

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          • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2009 9:07 pm ET)
               

            Snoop, you do it better than any of them. In fact you should do one about them!! That'll show them as#hats!!!

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            • Author by snoopy (January 08, 2009 9:48 pm ET)
                 

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              I know what Keith wants
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              I've got what Rush likes

              I know what Rush likes
              I know what Keith wants
              I seen them looking

              I make them copy me
              I like to tease them
              they want to copy me
              I'm better than them

              I know what Rush likes
              I know what Keith wants
              I know what Rush likes
              Rush likes, to be like me

              But you you’re special (I might let you)
              You’re so much different (I might let you)
              Ooohh would you like that? (I might let you)

              I know what Rush likes
              I know what Keith wants
              I know what Rush likes
              I know what’s on their minds

              I know what Rush likes
              I know what Keith wants
              They try to copy me

              I got my cat moves
              That so upsets them
              Zingers and parodies
              Fun to frustrate them
              They get so angry
              Like pouty children
              Denied their candy
              I laugh right at them

              I know what Rush likes
              I know what Keith wants
              I know what rush likes
              Rush likes, to copy me

              Nah nah nah nah nah,
              nah nah nah nah nah

              I see your sad now (I will let you)
              Sorry I teased you (I will let you)
              This time I mean it (I will let you)
              Anything you want (You can trust me)
              I really want to (You can trust me)
              How would you like it? (You can trust me)

              SUCKER! hmhmhm

              I know what Rush likes
              I got what Keith wants
              I know what Rush likes
              Rush likes, to copy me

              Nah nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah nah,
              nah nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah nah,
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              • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
                   

                Snoop you've outdone yourself! That's gotta be one of your best ever. You had me nearly falling out of my chair laughing.

                Take that Rush & Keith!! Snoop just showed you the door...

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 09, 2009 8:30 am ET)
             

          Correct about the mortgage crisis.  We'll see cold fusion and time travel before we'll see anyone step up to claim responsibility for their own small contributions to nations economic problems.

          But you're ded wrong on the Frank jokes vs. the Craig jokes.  Mocking Frank is mere homo-phobia.  Nothing profound abouty it at all.  It's nothing more that playground-bullying, pointing and saying "let's all laugh at the sissy!"  It's time to grow up, America.  When people make fun of Craig, it is NOT because he's gay.  It'e either becuause (1) He's a bloody hypocrite who's campaigned on 'family values' BS and has supported anti-gay legislation; or (2) becuase he's so homophobic himself that he can't comes to grips with his own sexuality, instead needing to stay in closet, coming out only long enough to occasionally harass people in publioc men's room.  He's either a coward, a hypocrite or both.  And either way he's a liar.  FRANK, for any leglislative faults he may have, and you may fell free to critisicze him all you want on fiscal policy, is none of these (coward, liar or hypocrite) when it comes to his own sexuality. 

          So the two jokes are NOT the same.  One makes fun of sexuality (not funny, not cool, not right) while the other makes fun of personal cowardince, dishonesty and hypocrasy (which are ALL always fair game, and usually VERY funny.)

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    • Author by MoonbatYouBet (January 08, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
         

      From notorious bomb throwing leftist website Mortgageloan.Com

      http://www.mortgageloan.com/how-warren-buffett-avoided-the-subprime-meltdown-2559

      "Warren Buffett, the richest man in America, was financially exposed to the housing industry, but managed to avoid severe subprime mortgage losses.

      Clayton did something differently than the rest of the mortgage industry.  Even though it made subprime loans, it didn't compromise its underwriting standards. The company avoided lending to speculators, and didn't offer "teaser rates" as incentives to encourage people to borrow money that would later become challenging to repay. The business also kept its loans in-house instead of selling them to Wall Street as securitized mortgage investments. Fortune quoted Buffett as saying, ""When we make a mistake in making or buying a loan, it costs us money, not some buyer thousands of miles away."


      Berkshire Hathaway, Buffett's investment company, owns Clayton Homes, the nation's largest maker and financier of pre-fabricated and mobile homes. This form of low-end housing often sells to consumers who have credit problems and can't afford more traditional homes. Such borrowers are ideal candidates for subprime mortgages, because they're tailored to people with bad credit, fewer assets, and less income. As the last real estate bull market heated up, the mortgage industry pushed subprimes on consumers in an unprecedented marketing campaign, often making such poor-quality loans to people who didn't need them and would have been better off with less toxic and less expensive prime mortgages. The push backfired, instigating the worst mortgage crisis in history.
      "

      But we should all listen to Rush because of his vast experience in...Um, what is it exactly that Rush has ever been successful in beside shooting his mouth off and convincing other people to pay him for it?

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      • Author by historygeek001 (January 08, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
           

        From what I understand, Rush has been pretty successful at getting and using OxyContin.  I can't think of anything else.

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    • Author by mk3872 (January 08, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
         
      Amazing the power that the right wing media machine has to line up together. Just like Rove's editorial, Limbaugh echoes the exact same new theme: Freddie & Fannie are responsible for the whole mess, it is the Dems fault and Bush had nothing to do with it. You will hear a lot of this, I am sure as the recession will now suddenly become the Obama recession over night.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 09, 2009 9:10 am ET)
           

        Never underestimate the influence of the Rove/Limbaugh Big Lie Machine.  A perfect, though trivial, example is the use of the term "Democrat Party", which has become standard among virtually all Republican politicians when they appear on talk shows.  Does anybody think it was an accident?

        Chris Matthews pondered its origin on his show last night after hearing Simple Sarah use it, and no one seemed willing to speculate.  I'm pretty sure that Rush started it, either on his own or at the bidding of someone in the Republican Gestapo... most likely Rove.  It's just a way of sticking their thumbs in the eye of the Democrats.  It's not important, but demonstrates the Republicans' churlishness and willingness to goosestep in unison.

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        • Author by christopher howard (January 09, 2009 11:39 am ET)
             

          "Chris Matthews pondered its origin on his show last night after hearing Simple Sarah use it, and no one seemed willing to speculate.  I'm pretty sure that Rush started it, either on his own or at the bidding of someone in the Republican Gestapo... most likely Rove."

          Actually the use of "Democrat Party" goes back pretty far and was regularly used, among others, by Joseph McCarthy. This 2006 article from The New Yorker did a good job of dissecting the history of the phrase.

          http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/08/07/060807ta_talk_hertzberg   

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          • Author by nerzog (January 09, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
               

            Thanks for the info.  I guess I gave PigBoy too much credit.  Apparently he really never has had an original thought.

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    • Author by gg (January 08, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
         

      I guess that is why Barney Frank has never run for President, why bother when you have all that power as a single Congressman; and to think his party was in the minority as well-Wow.

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    • Author by wesley (January 08, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
         

       -- The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago...

      The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates. -- NYT sept. 11, 2003

       -- ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.'' -- Barney Frank NYT Sept. 11, 2003.

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      • Author by bruce1ace (January 08, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
           

        Wesley, the NYT has been discredited.  I thought you knew.

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      • Author by rtwmd1230 (January 08, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
           

         ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.'' -- Barney Frank NYT Sept. 11, 2003."

        The vast majority of subprime mortgages were made in 2004-2006 (by private mortgage companies not subject to CRA regulations). The housing market began to crash in 2007. How does a stement in 2003 by a minority member of the House (who has NO ability to pass or block legislation contrary to the will of the majority party) create the problem? 

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        • Author by markbfoot199 (January 08, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
             

          RTWMD, so your saying that the housing market all happend in one year?  So if something would have been done in 2003, the mess that you are saying started in 2004 would not have happen.   The bell was being rung in 2003, saying it will get worse and it did, Barney Frank unable to see past the table, or ltoo busy ooking at his gay lover whom was apart of Freddie Mae would never do anything to hurt the organization.

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          • Author by MoonbatYouBet (January 08, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
               

            Are you are saying that in 2003, when Bush "rang the bell" and Congress was controlled by a Republican majority, that somehow Frank alone was able to stop anyone from doing anything about the potential problems?

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            • Author by markbfoot199 (January 08, 2009 5:20 pm ET)
                 

              I would challange you to go back and watch the videos on You Tube, what you will see Barney Frank was say and doing, you make your own decesion.

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              • Author by MoonbatYouBet (January 08, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
                   

                I'm not going to defend Frank.  I want you to explain exactly how he had this amazing power to singlehandedly stop the President and a Congress of the same party from acting on something that they were so very concerned about becoming a problem.

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                • Author by oscar the grouch (January 08, 2009 8:09 pm ET)
                     

                  There is this tool in the Senate called "filibuster" which can allow a minority party (unless they are less than 41 in number) quite a bit of control over the agenda.

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                  • Author by rtwmd1230 (January 08, 2009 8:14 pm ET)
                       

                    And when was Frank a member of the Senate?

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                  • Author by rtwmd1230 (January 08, 2009 8:37 pm ET)
                       

                    And, the Democrats who were in the Senate never had to use the filibuster on this issue as the Republican MAJORITY never brought a Freddie/Fannie reform bill to the floor. Or was it another of Frank's miraculous powers that he also had complete control over the Republican Senate leadership?

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                  • Author by MoonbatYouBet (January 08, 2009 9:02 pm ET)
                       

                    I did a lot of searching trying to find a record of the Dems filibustering FM/FM reform.  I found a whole bunch of opinion pieces written well after everything was said and done that claimed that there was a Dem threat to filibuster any legislation that was brought to the floor and that is why the Republicans chose not to do so because while they had a majority they did not have 60 votes.  Note, opinion pieces written well after the fact, not one single news piece written at the time.

                    But let's pretend that this scenario actually happened just for fun.  This means that though the Republicans were terribly concerned that without reform FM/FM would catastrophically implode and bring down the economy with it, they were afraid of looking bad in the face of a Dem filibuster.  Really?  And I thought that the Dems were supposed to be the spineless wusses. 

                    Frank alone did nothing to cause FM to fail.  There is plenty of blame to go around on that.  All this finger pointing at him is nothing more than people trying to get any lights turned away from them.

                    Worse yet, the failures of Fannie and Freddy are only one tiny piece of what really went wrong.  Quick quiz, explain how a CDS works.  Now explain how it works when it is sold multiple times to multiple parties, sometimes the same parties repeatedly.  There are tons and tons of bad guys here, but Frank is a mincing fairy with a lisp so he's the easiest to make fun of I guess.

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          • Author by rtwmd1230 (January 08, 2009 8:15 pm ET)
               

            "ltoo busy ooking at his gay lover"

            I give up. It is impossible to counter such an overwhelmingly convincing argument. 

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    • Author by DAWUSS (January 08, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
         

      That was one of Shanklin's worse impersonations.

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      • Author by Craig (January 09, 2009 11:45 am ET)
           

        Shanklin's impressions are bad, he can't sing, and he's not funny. He's a triple non-threat.

        And I told you the Redskins wouldn't go 9-7. ;~)

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    • Author by markbfoot199 (January 08, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
         

      So when do you thing the congressional hearings will start on this mess?  I sure there has to be someone in Congress that was supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  I know our good congressional body will get to bottom of this mess.  If they took the time to look into cheating in Football, surely they have time to invistigate this mortgage issue.

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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (January 08, 2009 5:08 pm ET)
         

      This is so typical of EL FLUSHBO, he blames the DEMOCRATS  and left wingers for all that is wrong with this country. Conversly, REPUBLICANS and RIGHT WINGERS  can do no wrong in his warped mind.

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (January 08, 2009 8:11 pm ET)
           

        And although your voice (and those of like minded individuals) is not as loud, you all do just the opposite.

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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (January 09, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
             

          OSCAR, Look at the facts . The REPUBLICANS controled  the presidency and both houses of congress from 2000 to jan. 07. After that they still had enough control to prevent any DEMOCRATIC legislation to pass.( filibuster and presidential veto.)So  i think it is legitiment to blame them for a large part of the trouble we are in.

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    • Author by c_harendza5545 (January 08, 2009 6:28 pm ET)
         

      This is my first time here - Rush Limbaugh infuriates me and so it is refreshing to find commentary that sets the record straight.

      Just let Rush keep talking.....He and the other propagandists are the best thing that ever happened to the "Democrat" party.

      In truth, this guy simply is out of control.....at what point does it become "slander" or "defamantion of character?"

      Given Rush's obvious homophobia, it make me think of Shakespeare:  "Me thinks thou protests too loudly."

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    • Author by moe (January 08, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
         

      Finally, here's the proof that the bulbous one is insane:

      1) Believes Barney Frank has been the most powerful person on the plant for the past eight years.

      2) Thinks Paul Shanklin is the funniest person alive.

      There's more but what more is needed.  Case closed.

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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (January 08, 2009 7:00 pm ET)
         
      A New Year's Resolution: Stop listening to the screamers, like Limabugh, Hannity,Coulter, etc. Turn them off. If their ratngs go down, and their advertisers don't reup their contracts so goes their voice. Turn the system on them.
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (January 08, 2009 8:13 pm ET)
           

        That may work, but if you look at their ratings, they are each reaching a minor percentage of the total US population.

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      • Author by MoonbatYouBet (January 08, 2009 9:26 pm ET)
           

        These people have backers with deep pockets.  They are after ratings not as a means of profit but only as a means of spreading the message.

        Do some research on bulk sales of conservative penned books, Fox News' early days of running in the red and how many shows people like Tucker Carlson and Glenn Beck have had and how poorly they performed.

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    • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (January 08, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
         
      Poor Barney. He seems to be getting it from both ends. ooooops.
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      • Author by commonsenseliberal (January 09, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
           

        You've just proven yourself to be just as stupid as Rush.

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      • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (January 09, 2009 9:14 pm ET)
           

        I will certainly admit my above post was uncouth. You are right. My only defense is demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. I'm not defending Rush's personal attacks on Mr. Frank, only his right to speak unabated. When we come to a point in time where segments of our population are denied the right to express their opinions, no matter how graphic or despicable, we can assume rights we have been granted by our most valuable of all assets, the constitution, will soon erode further until the document becomes moot.

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    • Author by jbraskin4786 (January 08, 2009 11:12 pm ET)
         

      And why are we taking this jerk (and Coultergeist, for that matter) seriously anymore?

      How relevant is his opinion?

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    • Author by tcall20043320 (January 09, 2009 7:22 am ET)
         
      Does sigtek44bc1345 have a job or does he just hang around blogs and attempt to defend the indefensible? Rush Limbaugh is a horrid little person. He goes around making homophobic remarks, yet three wives have divorced him and, in return for big settlements, are not allowed to talk about the "marriage." It's going to get worse with a Democrat in the White House but people like sigtek44bc1345 continue to defend and applaud Limbaugh's bigotry and hatred. Again, the "right" is wrong.
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      • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (January 09, 2009 11:05 am ET)
           

        I defended his right to speak. I did not defend the content of his speech. That was awfully clear in my post.

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        • Author by commonsenseliberal (January 09, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
             

          Actually, you did defend (and approve of) the content of his speech by what you wrote above (about Frank getting it from both ends - how uncouth of you).

          Having the right to speak is not the same as having the right to spread homophobia across public airwaves.  There is a difference.  Evidently (by your posts!) you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the difference.

          When will you idiots on the right realize this?

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      • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (January 09, 2009 11:07 am ET)
           

        ...........and I work 40+ hours a week and have for over 33 years. I have a computer at home and a computer at work. I read the blogs and respond when I can. Is this a minor attempt by you to shut me up?

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        • Author by commonsenseliberal (January 09, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
             

          You've really got this idea that people want to shut you up, don't you?

          Actually, we want you to speak as much as possible.  It only reinforces our point of view that you're a complete moron.

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          • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (January 09, 2009 9:18 pm ET)
               

            If you think calling someone names is an intelligent way of expressing yourself then you have to realize you have just placed yourself in the same catagory of Rush Limbaugh. How ironic.

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    • Author by jjamele2880 (January 09, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
         

      Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Jimmy Carter created the mortgage crisis.  Bill Clinton was responsible for 9/11 and left the economy in a mess when Bush took over.  Democratic Party regulation of business wrecked the economy.  Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal deepened the Depression and lead to every bad thing that has happened since that cannot be directly connected to Carter or Clinton.  Democratic Party taxes forced small businesses to close or go to Ireland.  Democrats are responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened, and every bad thing that will ever happen. 

      Lather, Rinse, Repeat.  Eventually, the brainwashing will be complete.

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    • Author by Shmendrik (January 09, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
         

      When are Barney Frank and Chris Dodd going to be honest and admit that they are a part of the problem.  This can't all be the fault of the Bush administration.  Companies wouldn't have been peddling these horrible loans had the government not been backing them up with guarantees. 

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    • Author by robrob (January 09, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
         

      They are just so desperate to blame the mortgage crisis on someone, anyone but Bush.

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    • Author by commonsenseliberal (January 09, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
         
      What the hell does Barney Frank's sexual orientation have to do with the mortgage crisis or being the head of the banking committee? I'll never know why the right-wing is so up in arms about someone's personal life when it has nothing to do with what a person does for a living or how a person serves a nation. Maybe Rush is just jealous because he couldn't get a date, male or female?
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      • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (January 09, 2009 9:23 pm ET)
           

        ......and once again, you just passed judgement on someone's personal life. The irony grows and begins to blossom into hypocricy.

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    • Author by marshasmith7645 (January 09, 2009 9:21 pm ET)
         
      Rush is vulgar. He is losing his voice and he sounds quite desperate now. Like a lone voice and uneducated. He feels bad.
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