Hannity criticized lyrics that call women "B's" and "ho's," but didn't object to his "friend" Ted Nugent calling Clinton a "worthless bitch"
SUMMARY: Discussing demonstrations held around the country against degrading lyrics in the music industry, Sean Hannity said, "I don't like the lyrics that refer to women as 'B's' and 'ho's.' " But in August 2007, Hannity aired concert footage of Ted Nugent, whom he referred to as a "friend," calling then-Sen. Barack Obama a "piece of shit" and referring to Sen. Hillary Clinton as a "worthless bitch."
On the January 12 edition of Fox News' Hannity -- formerly Hannity & Colmes -- during a discussion with Meat Loaf and Al Sharpton, who recently led one of several demonstrations around the country against degrading lyrics in the music industry, Sean Hannity said, "I don't like the lyrics that refer to women as 'B's' and 'ho's,' and we've had many discussions about this." However, on August 24, 2007, Hannity aired concert footage of rock musician and right-wing activist Ted Nugent calling then-Sen. Barack Obama a "piece of shit" and referring to Sen. Hillary Clinton as a "worthless bitch." After airing the clip, Hannity referred to Nugent as a "friend and frequent guest on the program."
In the video clip, Nugent holds up what appear to be two assault rifles, and says "Obama, he's a piece of shit, and I told him to suck on my machine gun" and "Hey, Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch." After airing the clip, Hannity referred to Nugent as a "friend and frequent guest on the program." Moments later, Hannity compared Nugent's comments to a statement by Obama, which Hannity distorted by claiming Obama "accus[ed] our troops of killing civilians." Hannity then asked Democratic strategist Bob Beckel: "What's more offensive to you? Is it Barack Obama's statement about our troops or Ted Nugent?" During his response, Beckel asked Hannity if he was "prepared to disavow this lowlife," to which Hannity responded: "No, I like Ted Nugent. He's a friend of mine." When Beckel later said that Nugent "ought to never come on your show again, and if you have him on, you ought to be ashamed of yourself," Hannity responded: "Not at all. We have you on."
From the January 12 edition of Fox News' Hannity:
HANNITY: Let me ask you a question, because Reverend Al, you -- you ran -- you had a big rally against the rap industry. And here we have Meat Loaf here. And you know what? I don't like the lyrics that refer to women as "B's" and "ho's," and we've had many discussions about this. Then we have hard -- you know, heavy metal music, really angry and mean.
MEAT LOAF: They've been censoring music --
HANNITY: Yeah.
MEAT LOAF: -- since Gustav Mahler in Paris.
HANNITY: So, you don't want any -- any government involvement?
MEAT LOAF: No, because -- OK, with Elvis. Take Elvis in the '50s. They wouldn't show him below the waist; they wouldn't play his music on the radio. Censorship is bad, and it is wrong.
HANNITY: Is Reverend Al wrong to go after the companies that are making money on these?
But Hannity's only talking about when black people "refer to women as 'B's' and 'ho's." That's when Hannity disapproves.
So your gave your opinion on Hannity's motivation for his disapproval. Do you share that disapproval, or not?
I strongly disagree with Hannity's "Rap Vs Rock" bs.
That's not what I asked you. If you'd rather not answer, just say so.
So.
Fine. Considering you won't either approve or disapprove of what Hannity said, it seems kind of strange that you posted immediately with an opinion on what his motivation was.
I strongly disagree with the way Hannity frames the debate. It's a fact that Hannity is ok with certain people calling certain women "b's". He's just pretending to be offended here in order to scold black men.
It's entirely possible that he really doesn't care for the terminology, but overlooks it for political purposes.
And it's entirely possible that Hannity's dislike for black people trumps his purported distain for that particular terminology.
It is possible, I'm just wondering about "It's a fact that Hannity is ok with certain people calling certain women "b's"." If the "certain people" are conservatives, that would seem to be the case. If that refers to white people, regardless of their politics, that might not be as valid.
If he's a racist, then he's a racist. People object to these sort of lyrics whether they have those sorts of views or not, though.
Hannity once gave William Pierce a forum to promote his views and that somewhat off topic fact may have influenced my opinion of Hannity's rap music disapproval here.
That's true, and that makes that a lot more understandable. It's sort of hard to give him any benefit of the doubt when bearing that in mind.
Why? Opinions are just opinions, they don't need to be supported, right?
All this propping up over on little question? My, my....
What's with the attitude? :)
There's no attitude, just wondering why your opinions don't bear analysis, but those of others do.
So asking a simple yes or no question is "analysis"? Strange.
What was the yes or no question?
"Do you share that disapproval, or not?"
What disapproval? That Hannity thinks that rap is all "b's and ho's" and heavy metal is "really angry and mean"? No, the disapproval makes no sense. I don't agree with it.
The question was whether you agreed with Hannity's disapproval or not, in direct response to your very first post. Read it again if you need too.
I have answered why I disagree with Hannity's disapproval. You, too, can read my replies again if you need too.
Whatever word you prefer, yes. How about "validation"? Either an opinion has automatic, unquestionable merit or it doesn't.
I went to a Nugent concert this summer (only because it was a pleasant evening and the show was free). I mean, we all support the troops, but this guy basically was playing an American flag instead of his guitar. Way, way over the top. And his between song banter was basically "I love the troops" and "Let's kill more Arabs".
I left before the show was over. And to think I used to own several of his albums many, many years ago.
Yeah, but Ted Nugent is a Great American (tm) so he's excused...
I just wrote a song without the use of b's and kos. It's titled:
inshannity is a skidmark on the boxers of life. All I need is lyrics.
Nugent is overcompensating for his own evasion of the draft when he was young. He's got brass balls now but when it was time to put his ass on the line, he chose the cowards way out.
He'll stand behind anone brave enough to fight for their country as long as when that person gets on the plane, Ted can keep his ass and his soiled jeans in this country.
I'm just glad the transcript is here. I saw this last night and didn't understand why rappers were calling women "bees". I think of bees as industrious and very social.
OT, WK, but with sales of the star-spangled adult diapers sagging, why didn't we get in on this item?
Nugent doesn't like to shoot at things that shoot back.
Now the next question is, does Hannity want to have the government censor rap artists? He can disapprove all he wants, but I would like to know how far his dislike of such lyrics goes.
Also, aren't most rap artists liberal? I know, it's probably a broad generalization (and probably an irrelevant point), but I had to ask it anyway.
I don't know, but I'm sure he'd wholeheartedly support the sentiments behind Black or white turn it on, face the new religion
Everybody's sitting 'round watching television!
BTW, speaking of heavy metal,great screen shot of Hannity above. He looks like one of those spandex screamers from the early 80s making the rock face.
If Hannity had any real sense of morality on this issue...instead of just pandering political motives...he would have then and should now call out Nugent on his offensive language...just as he has done with rappers and heavy metal bands.
One doesn't have to advocate censorship to ask for and even demand civility in the public sector.
It makes no difference to me if Nugent and Hannity are buddies...but Hannity is all wet on this issue. He should exhibit the courage to test their friendship by calling out Nugent on his offensive language.
Well said Wes. Hannity's selective outrage is so transparent, it's pathetic. He is more concerned with the politics of every issue rather than any moral component.
Wesley, I agree with both you and Tommy. See, world peace is posible. :-0)
I believe it is JJ. A new day is dawning.....
And not just NJ is freezing over, I agree too.
JJ...I pretty much have the same feelings for Olbermann...does that upset the plans for world peace?
But I won't look a gift horse in the mouth...thanks.
Wes, I stopped watching Olberman over a year ago when he started in on his misogynistic Hillary bashing. I don't care who you are, I'll give the boot to whoever is acting like an ass, left or right. I'm pretty choosy who I spend time listening to or reading. I like ideas, not the cult of personality that dominates our current media.
I gave up on Olbermann, and MSNBC in general, at the same time for the same reason. I doubt I'm missing anything, especially since once American Idol starts up again, Keith will invest a few minutes of every night rolling his eyes and groaning about how he "has" to cover it, including have some idiot on to snark at the "stupidity" of the contestants and the shallowness of the people who watch it (not including Keith and his guests, of course, because they are just pointing out how stupid it is, so that doesn't count.)
Without hypocrisy, he has no material and no basis for a TV show.
It's the same rank Hypocricy which allows Hannity to rant about "liberals in Hollywood" and "liberal singers like the Dixie Chicks" refusing to shut up and spare us their political opinions, but having no problem with speeches by Chuck Norris or Toby Keith wrapping himself in the flag at Hannity's "Freedom Concerts."
I think it goes further than that. Hannity probably cares more about himself than the country intellectual health. Hannity is unable to experience true patriotism.
Wolf, right on.Ive heard HANNITY call into question the paitriotism of people who dissagree with him, but i dont ever remember the "GREAT AMERICAN'' voulenteering to put his neck on the line when he was of age.
The second George Bush stated " either you are with us or you are with the terrorrists " that wqas the green light for these buffoons to divide up the nation and they went crazy with that permission.
Bad format box! (Hmmm, is that also some form of degrading slang?)
Ted Nugent seems exempt from these issues.
Hannity is a situational ethecist. First he tries to act to "Christian". Then he assumes all who speak about libruls are fine no matter what language they use and then he turns around and uses disgusting, filthy language in his own posts. I had my granddaughter read many Hannity posts so she would know first hand exactly what sort of language was totally inappropriate for posting on the net. He only makes nasty comments about his opposition and in that regard, any filthy language is fine with him no matter who says it on his shows. Just so long as it demeans Democrats like Hillary Clinton. So much for his vaunted Catholic moral code. My priest would boot him or at least assign penance to him but he always seems to assume he is above the rules. And we all know what ASS u me meaes
Hannity and Nugent, now there’s a pair.
Ted Nugent is so last week. So is Meatloaf.
these 2 should team up. they could call themselves: Meatloaf and the Balogne Pony
Hannity was protesting lyrics that STEREOTYPE all women, as opposed to Nugent's "character judgement" of A woman, Hillary Clinton. But not surprised a liberal website wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a steroetype and human being, what with stereotype driven class and racial polarization being the sole liberal election platform.
There may be something to that, although you undermine your credibility with "sterotype driven class and racial polarization being the sole liberal election platform". That's not particularly reasonable.
Two things occur to me about your distinction. First, there's some element of "woman I just don't like" to the term as it's often used. Does Nugent use the term because he finds her especially unpleasant, or is it mainly because she disagrees with him? "Worthless" doesn't suggest the former as much as "nasty" would, and considering Nugent's character it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt as someone who makes sensible evaluations.
Second, it's still somewhat hypocritical to air Nugent's comments and complain about the use of derogatory language. He's not exactly raising the bar of public discourse.
So by your reasoning, if I were to use the "N" word to describe black people in general it would be bad, but if I were calling one specific black person the "N" word it would be okay? Like the "N" word, the word bitch is itself a derogatory stereotype. So by virtue of using these or any other similar words, whether talking about one person or people in general, one is perpetuating the stereotypes that these words connote.
And please. If for example, the Dixie Chicks indulged in your (and Nugent's) brand of "character judgment" and called any of the prized conservative women of this country a "worthless bitch," Hannity would bloviate till kingdom come.
"Like the "N" word, the word bitch is itself a derogatory stereotype."
That's not entirely true. As it stands now, the "n word" relies only on skin color, not behavior. Depending on usage, "bitch" can be either used as a general term for women, or specific to behavior. Someone can have great respect for women in general and use the term for a woman who is especially malicious, conniving, etc.
If this is the case for Nugent, I'd be somewhat surprised. And I'm sure if someone called Coulter a "worthless bitch", they'd be part of the "hateful left" in Hannity's view.