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January 23, 2009 2:14 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Numerous media figures have asserted that the proposed stimulus package supported by President Barack Obama would amount to spending at least $223,000 for every job created, echoing a press release issued by the Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee. But by calculating the per-job cost by dividing the estimated total cost of the stimulus package by the estimated number of jobs created -- and thus suggesting that the sole purpose of that package is to create jobs -- these media figures ignored other tangible benefits stemming from the package, such as infrastructure improvements and education, health, and public safety investments.

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Numerous media figures, including David Brooks, Larry Kudlow, Brit Hume, and George Stephanopoulos, have asserted that the proposed fiscal stimulus package supported by President Barack Obama would amount to spending at least $223,000 for every job created, echoing a January 15 "Stimulus Quick Facts" press release, issued by the Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee, that "President-elect Obama has said that his proposed stimulus legislation will create or save 3 million jobs. This means that this legislation will spend about $275,000 per job. The average household income in the U.S. is $42,000 a year." But by calculating the per-job cost by dividing the estimated total cost of the stimulus package by the estimated number of jobs created -- and thus suggesting that the sole purpose of that package is to create jobs -- these media figures ignored other tangible benefits stemming from the package, such as infrastructure improvements and education, health, and public safety investments. Indeed, in a January 18 appearance on ABC's This Week, White House senior adviser David Axelrod said of the plan: "We're not just spending money to create jobs; we're investing money to strengthen this economy. We're investing in areas like energy independence. We're investing in creating the classrooms of the 21st century for our kids to give us the kind of education system we need. We're investing in computerizing the health-care records of this country so that we can reduce costs and improve care. These things will pay long-term dividends to this country."

Media figures promoting this false calculation include:

  • In his January 23 New York Times column, David Brooks claimed, "The [House Appropriations Committee] staff took the kernel of President Obama's vision -- infrastructure programs to create jobs -- and surrounded it with an undisciplined sprawl of health, education, entitlement and other spending. There's money for nurse training, Medicare, Head Start, boatyard support, home weatherization and so on. Eleven of the programs in the bill account for the vast majority of the actual job creation. The rest may be worthy or not, but they have little to do with stimulus. The total package is so diffuse, it costs $223,000 to create a single job."
  • In a January 22 National Review Online blog post, Larry Kudlow claimed, "Oh, by the way, even if the entire stimulus package were put into play, various people have calculated that the estimated 3.5 million new jobs would cost $225,000 per job [emphasis in original]."
  • During the January 21 edition of Fox News' Special Report, senior political analyst Brit Hume claimed that "one Republican congressman did the math and found that even if you accept the sponsor's estimates of the jobs created by this current plan, you end up with each one costing about $223,000. That's about four times the normal cost of a private-sector job."
  • During the January 18 edition of This Week, Stephanopoulos claimed, "The other substantive point that [House Minority Leader John] Boehner [R-OH] makes -- he circulated a facts sheet -- he says, if you look at an $825 billion piece of legislation, 3 million jobs, that's $275,000 a job." Axelrod said: "George, he's missing the fundamental point. We're not just spending money to create jobs; we're investing money to strengthen this economy. We're investing in areas like energy independence. We're investing in creating the classrooms of the 21st century for our kids to give us the kind of education system we need. We're investing in computerizing the health-care records of this country so that we can reduce costs and improve care. These things will pay long-term dividends to this country, and we've been very careful about that." Nonetheless, following Axelrod's comments, Stephanopoulos asked: "But you would concede $275,000 a job is a high price to pay, isn't it?"

In fact, according to a House of Representatives discussion draft of the legislation, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 would include $54 billion to increase renewable energy production and to help public buildings become more energy efficient, $90 billion for infrastructure investment, $41 billion to modernize schools, and $275 billion in tax cuts.

Addressing the falsehood -- and specifically the estimate by economist Greg Mankiw that a stimulus proposal would cost $280,000 per job -- American Prospect associate editor Ezra Klein wrote in November 2008:

[T]he stimulus package cannot be understood as spending divided by jobs. If California's Medicaid program faces a $10 billion shortfall, you're not likely to see a lot of doctors or nurses out on the street. But you are likely to see a lot of families that can't access health care. If Missouri's government falls into debt, the main injury will not be to the state's workforce, but to its schools and its roads and its projects. If $30 billion is spent to erect a bridge, that creates some jobs, but it also pays for machines and stones and steel and scaffolding. The envisioned stimulus is much bigger than simple job creation. It's infrastructure construction and aid to states and the preservation of the safety net.

From Brooks' January 23 New York Times column:

The bill has three essential failings. First, it lacks any strategic vision. This $825 billion bill has to be passed within weeks. There's no time for fundamental rethinking or new approaches. Instead, there's a sloppy profusion of 152 different appropriations -- off-the-shelf ideas that mostly create costlier versions of the status quo.

The committee staff took the kernel of President Obama's vision -- infrastructure programs to create jobs -- and surrounded it with an undisciplined sprawl of health, education, entitlement and other spending. There's money for nurse training, Medicare, Head Start, boatyard support, home weatherization and so on. Eleven of the programs in the bill account for the vast majority of the actual job creation. The rest may be worthy or not, but they have little to do with stimulus. The total package is so diffuse, it costs $223,000 to create a single job.

From Kudlow's January 22 National Review Online blog post:

Meanwhile, a new CBO report has pulled the rug out from under the Obama stimulus package. Of $355 billion in infrastructure and other cash outlays, only $136 billion would be spent by October 2010. And out of the roughly $100 billion in infrastructure spending, only $26 billion would be spent in fiscal 2009. So much for a quick and immediate jolt to the economy. Oh, by the way, even if the entire stimulus package were put into play, various people have calculated that the estimated 3.5 million new jobs would cost $225,000 per job.

In today's Wall Street Journal, distinguished Harvard economist Robert Barro estimated that the so-called government-spending multiplier for GDP associated with peacetime government purchases would be "insignificantly different from zero." While left-wing economist Paul Krugman rants on about opponents to Keynesian stimulus -- calling them quacks -- a growing list of prominent academic economists oppose the Keynesian approach. In yesterday's Journal, economists Alberto Alesina of Harvard and Luigi Zingales of the University of Chicago rejected the Keynesian spending approach while suggesting that a capital-gains tax holiday would bring private investors back into the market.

From the January 21 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Bret Baier:

BRET BAIER (host): Senior political analyst Brit Hume has some thoughts now about the economic stimulus package -- Brit.

HUME: Bret, thank you. The idea of stimulating a stalled economy by government spending has been tried many times, but it is unclear that it has ever worked. One reason is that government spending takes a while to get into the bloodstream, and much of it ends up being spent well after the economy is already growing again.

That has been underscored by that Congressional Budget Office report we've been talking about that found that only about a third of the money proposed would be spent in the next two years. And one Republican congressman did the math and found that even if you accept the sponsor's estimates of the jobs created by this current plan, you end up with each one costing about $223,000. That's about four times the normal cost of a private-sector job.

From the January 18 edition of ABC News' This Week with George Stephanopoulos:

STEPHANOPOULOS: The other substantive point that Boehner makes -- he circulated a facts sheet -- he says, if you look at an $825 billion piece of legislation, 3 million jobs, that's $275,000 a job. Is that the most efficient way to create jobs?

AXELROD: George, he's missing the fundamental point. We're not just spending money to create jobs; we're investing money to strengthen this economy. We're investing in areas like energy independence. We're investing in creating the classrooms of the 21st century for our kids to give us the kind of education system we need.

We're investing in computerizing the health-care records of this country so that we can reduce costs and improve care. These things will pay long-term dividends to this country, and we've been very careful about that.

We're not being frivolous. We're being thoughtful about how we make these investments.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you would concede $275,000 a job is a high price to pay, isn't it?

AXELROD: Well, I'm not signing on to that particular figure. I think preventing this country from sliding into as deep an economic emergency as we've seen since the Great Depression, preventing double-digit unemployment, and laying the foundwork -- the groundwork for the future in these areas that I mentioned and others, I think, is a worthy thing to do.

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    • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
         

      mmfa is so disingenuous.  They complain about the press release by the republicans on the House appopriations committee, yet they use the report by the left wing liberal Congressman Obey from Wisconsin, who doesn't think Obama is spending enough, as a source for their assertion.

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      • Author by mk3872 (January 23, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
           

        jamesB is, naturally, ignoring the fact that the media is simply just regurgitating GOP talking points instead of real research.

        What is disingenuous is stating that the only benefit from the stimulous package would be job creation. That is 1 aspect of the true benefits of the proposal.

        But no need to debate it, right? No need to rearch it, either. Just read the email in your inbox from the GOP if you are the MSM and you're good to go!

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        • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
             

          Stephanopolous is regurgitating gop talking points? He is interviewing Axelrod and he doesn't dispute the raw numbers at all, he just would rather focus on what he, and the ultra liberal Obey, say are the benefits.  you don't complain about one party's report by pointing to your own partys for backup. 

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          • Author by Caseysprings (January 23, 2009 2:49 pm ET)
               

            Good point James, sadly the partisans never see  that.  They are blind.

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          • Author by mk3872 (January 23, 2009 2:55 pm ET)
               

            Yes, jamesB, that is what GS did. And to correct you, Axelrod said that he does not buy into that analysis at all. This is found in the transcript reprinted by MMFA.

            So, to be clear, you are agreeing that all of the $$ in the stimulous package can only be accountable to job creation, not infrastructure or other projects?

            This way, if you say yes, then I know that there is no need to debate this with you as you cannot see past the nose on your face.

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            • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
                 

              i don't believe i said that, but the number is the number. And all these benefits are on a report by Obey, who revels in spending tax money on government programs, so I take whatever he puts out from his office as benefits of said programs in that context.

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (January 23, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
               

            The $200,000+ per job analysis is bogus whichever way you cut it...that's the point. I still can't understand why the Republicans persist in this sort of dishonesty. If they want to rehabilitate their party they could start by being truthful. If their objection to the stimulus package is ideological then just say so...don't create bogus arguments just to sway the knucklegraggers who don't know any better. 

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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (January 23, 2009 2:37 pm ET)
           

        I'm not sure if you know what the word 'disingenuous' means.  Maybe you meant 'partisan'?

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        • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
             

          no, i meant disingenuous, but if partisan suits you better.

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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (January 23, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
               

            OK, so you can just admit you don't know what the word means.  MMFA would be disingenuous if they were claiming to take a neutral position on issues.

            Fox News:  Fair and Balanced is a perfect example of 'disingenuous'.  They're partisan and they know it.

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            • Author by Disputed Zone (January 23, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
                 

              Al Franken once said he wasn't sure if FOX was suing him for using Fair and Balanced or if they were suing him for using it ironically.

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      • Author by wookie (January 23, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
           

        How so? MMFA is right, the infrastructure spending would have to come eventually even without job stimulus. And its an investment that will pay off in making more business possible. You can't drive to work on crumbling bridges. And the paychecks will go back into the economy. Certainly the payoff will be better than the free marketeers giving nearly a trillion to the banks who sat on it.

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        • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
             

          the government should be contracting this out to be bid to private companies, who take far greater care in how they spend their money than do bureacrats in washington. Jobs will still be created, paychecks go back in the economy.  that is the way to do it.

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (January 23, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
               

            Uhhh...don't you think that's how federal projects are executed? Do you think the Department of Labor is a construction company?

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            • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
                 

              of course they are, what i am referring to is how this stimulus money is doled out at once as a stimulus.  it's far more cost effective for taxpayers when the money is doled out slowly for private companies who are far more productive in the way the manage and spend, and the taxpayers are at less risk. also, when this money is appropriated it usually goes to the districts of congressional members who have the most clout, not where it's most needed.  public works projects are inefficient and reckless in their spending. 

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              • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 23, 2009 3:49 pm ET)
                   

                ...private companies who are far more productive in the way the manage and spend, and the taxpayers are at less risk - JaymzBee

                Like KBR/Haliburton in Iraq and financial firms on wall st. with the bailout money?

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                • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
                     

                  I read your haliburton post already.  just so you know, i don't respond to off topic introductions attempting to deflect away from the topic at hand to some other government spending mishap.

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                  • Author by Mrs. Teufelshunde (January 23, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
                       

                    It's not that much of a deflection - Halliburton is a private company that squandered million of government dollars.  He's using timely examples to debunk your "private industry is always better than public" myth

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                    • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
                         

                      private companies have bottom lines and owners/shareholders who demand accountability and prudent expenditures.  if you can show me where politicians operate within those same constrictions, by all means do it.  on the contrary, if they can spend money by returning favors to those who helped get them elected they are rewarded. So save me your liberal lecture on the benefits of irresponsible government spenders.  I see it everyday.

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                      • Author by wookie (January 23, 2009 6:53 pm ET)
                           

                        The voters do that. That's why they voted out the party that gave us a 10 billion a month pointless war.

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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 23, 2009 7:28 pm ET)
                           

                        So, what about the good citizens of Atlanta who had their government privatize their water works.  That didn't work out so well, did it?

                        The agreement comes on the heels of an audit that showed the city was saving only about half the amount about $10 million a year promised by United Water, as part of the $21.4 million-a-year contract to manage the city?s water system. But beyond the dubious cost-effectiveness of the deal, the city found evidence of poor service, fraudulent billing, and poor water quality.

                        https://www.utne.com/2003-01-01/AtlantaEndsFailedWaterPrivatizationDeal.aspx

                        And perhaps one day cons will realize not everything can or should be turned into a profit maker.

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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 23, 2009 6:01 pm ET)
                       

                    Funny, looks as if you are responding to my post. <shakes head> Yup, you are responding by saying you don't respond.  Brilliant.

                    And you brought up the idea that private companies safeguard public funds and I showed you two very large examples of hwo wrong you are.

                    I'm just a disingenuous partisan hater I guess.

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                    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 23, 2009 6:23 pm ET)
                         

                      "off-topic" is any point other than exactly what the wingnuts want to talk about. As another poster was told recently in response to a very nice analogy he made-- "you're talking about two different things!"

                      Yes, that's what an analogy is.

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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 23, 2009 6:23 pm ET)
                       

                    some other government spending mishap. jaymzbee

                    WTF?  It was private companies that looted the government for crying out loud.

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              • Author by loonz (January 23, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
                   

                of course they are, what i am referring to is how this stimulus money is doled out at once as a stimulus.  it's far more cost effective for taxpayers when the money is doled out slowly for private companies

                The money will be appropriated; the projects will be bid upon; the money will be doled out to the companies with the winning bids.

                private companies who are far more productive in the way the manage and spend, and the taxpayers are at less risk.

                That's debatable.

                public works projects are inefficient and reckless in their spending.

                Again, that's debatable.

                If you have a problem with the way the government is spending tax dollars, vote them out of office.

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                • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
                     

                  why you don't go and research on how this stimulus money is dumped in the economy all at once to "stimuate", and see how that breeds waste, inefficiency, cronyism, fraud and abuse.  look at the recent bank bailout as proof of that, most of it is now unaccounted for because of the way it was handed out in bulk.

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                  • Author by loonz (January 23, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
                       

                    why you don't go and research on how this stimulus money is dumped in the economy all at once to "stimuate",

                    How is it being dumped all at once?

                    breeds waste, inefficiency, cronyism, fraud and abuse.

                    Maybe it will or maybe it won't.

                    look at the recent bank bailout as proof of that, most of it is now unaccounted for because of the way it was handed out in bulk.

                    It had nothing to do with handing it out in bulk.  The money went unaccounted for because that's the way the Bush administration set it up.  We have competent people in charge now.

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                    • Author by jamesB (January 23, 2009 4:26 pm ET)
                         

                      oh, so now that democrats are in charge that means our money will be spent wisely and accounted for carefully.  no need to question government spending anymore.  sorry, maybe for you, not me.

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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 23, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
                           

                        Why would matter how the money was handed out.  The fact is the private companies took taxpayers money and didn't safeguard it.  I don't think blind trust in the benevolent corp. is what's called for right now.

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            • Author by loonz (January 23, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
                 

              Uhhh...don't you think that's how federal projects are executed?

              He and others on the far right have no idea how federal projects are executed.  Limbaugh doesn't explain that to them for some reason.

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          • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 23, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
               

            Really?  Like KBR/Haliburton protecting taxpayer money in Iraq?  Or the financial firms that took bailout money?  They have taken very good care of the taxpayers money too, right.

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    • Author by pete592 (January 23, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
         

      More peculiarity that comes with a transfer of power: a fledgling concern over where our money is going and how much benefit will be derived. 

      We spent six years dumping hundreds of billions that we don’t have into a bottomless pit in Iraq with barely a second thought.  Now someone wants dump hundreds of billions that we don’t have into our own nation, spending it on our own people, improving our own infrastructure, and improving our own schools.  Low and behold, now everyone and their uncle is a budget hawk armed with a calculator.

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      • Author by tbone (January 23, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
           

        You are exactly right. However, the big picture is far more complicated.  The simple construct is Republican:  Military Industrial Complex/Corporate Welfare - Good, Infrastructure/Education/Individual Welfare - Bad.  Democrat:  Reverse the above

        The reality is that all government expenditure is mostly a zero-sum game.  Federal outlays "create" some jobs (although often temporarily) but also take certain monies/jobs out in other areas.  A couple examples:  invest in F-22 raptors, increase jobs in aerospace, train more skilled pilots provide military air superiority can be construed as "good" or it can be construed as "bad" (US already unmatched in air supremacy, F-22 requires fuel, maintenance, upkeep with no "real" natural security need, etc.)

        invest in solar/wind/biodiesel can be construed as "good" (air quality improvement, new technology, etc.) or "bad" (increased electrical gen cost to consumer, coal miner and fossil plant staff lose jobs and go on welfare or need to be retrained for what might be far lower wage work), etc.

        These are the political calculations that occur because of elections and they are what they are.  What AMERICANS must demand of their politicians however is not so much making or not making outlays [as a percentage of total GDP, government outlays are remarkably stable (18-22% on average) right up until the mondo bailouts] but demanding that these expenditures either be reduced or revenues raised.  Our fiscal house IS NOT IN ORDER.  We are approaching the break point where our National Debt will exceed our annual GDP capacity.  Servicing the interest on this debt along with the upcoming fiscal commitments due to our aging populace (Medicare, SS, all the pension funds we will soon be bailing out too) will destroy the economic opportunities of our children and grandchildren.

        As President Obama said, it is time to put away childish things.  I am not arguing that we don't need some stimulus, but we must START TAKING OUR MEDICINE (some banks, enterprises and business have to fail, benefits reduced, taxes and eligibility ages raised).  Ever since Reagan, we've been kicking the can down the road (Borrow and Spend, Borrow and Spend).  Even in the Clinton surplus years (2), the debt went up.  The PONZI scheme is up folks. 

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    • Author by temphandle sodomy95exuberance (January 24, 2009 1:39 am ET)
         

      DING! DING! DING! DING!

      JamesB just proved that he's clueless. Obama isn't proposing another WPA.

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