Parroting GOP, Dittohead Limbaugh dutifully launches false ACORN attack
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SUMMARY: Parroting GOP talking points, Rush Limbaugh falsely claimed $4.19 billion of President Barack Obama's economic recovery package "is going to ACORN." In fact, the bill does not mention ACORN or otherwise single it out for funding.
During the January 27 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh falsely claimed that "in the Obama stimulus package, $4.19 billion is going to ACORN [Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now]. Obama's community organizing -- you -- would somebody tell me what the stimulus is in that?" Limbaugh continued: "Oh, it's not called 'ACORN,' it's called 'neighborhood stabilization programs.' Now, would somebody explain to me what in the name of Sam Hill ... $4.19 billion to a voter-fraud organization has to do with stimulus?"
Limbaugh's ACORN attack echoes material released by House Minority Leader John Boehner's (R-OH) office. A January 26 "fast facts" release claimed of the stimulus bill: "The legislation could open billions of taxpayer dollars to left-wing groups like the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), which has been accused of voter fraud, is reportedly under federal investigation; and played a key role in the housing meltdown." A January 23 release to which the January 26 document links stated that "the Democrats' bill makes groups like ACORN eligible for a $4.19 billion pot of money for 'neighborhood stabilization activities.' " The attack echoes the false smear propagated by several media figures in 2008 that Democrats tried to create a "slush fund" for ACORN in the 2008 Emergency Economic Stabilization Act.
Limbaugh's claim that pursuant to the economic recovery plan, $4.19 billion "is going to ACORN" is false. The false claim is based on a misrepresentation of a provision that would appropriate $4,190,000,000 "for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008." The provision requires that money to be distributed through competitive processes.
Media Matters previously noted that a January 27 San Francisco Chronicle article reported the false claim that ACORN would receive $4.19 billion in the economic recovery bill. The Chronicle said that "Americans for Limited Government is pressuring moderate Democrats to vote against the stimulus bill, listing $4.19 billion that it said would go to the liberal housing activist group ACORN."
From the January 27 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: What do I think about this stimulus? It's like my brilliant proposal yesterday. Why do we have to have this money washed by the money launders in Washington? Why don't they just let them keep -- people who are producing it keep it and stimulate the economy themselves? Why does it have to go to Washington for these bigwigs to sit around and ponder who's going to get it? Do you know that in the Obama stimulus package, $4.19 billion is going to ACORN? Obama's community organizing -- you -- would somebody tell me what the stimulus is in that?
Oh, it's not called "ACORN," it's called "neighborhood stabilization programs." Now, would somebody explain to me what in the name of Sam Hill -- and there was a Sam Hill, I looked it up -- would somebody explain to me what in the name of Sam Hill $4.19 billion to a voter-fraud organization has to do with stimulus? I'll tell you what's going on here. We, ladies and gentlemen, we are funding Obama and the Democrat [sic] Party's army on the street. We are funding the forces of the Democrat Party's re-election.
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LIMBAUGH: This is just absurd. And none of it -- all -- if you look at the details of what's in this porkulous plan -- very little of it is stimulating. It's just pork. It's the Democrats paying back unions and the people that got them elected. Four-point-one-nine billion for "neighborhood stabilization": that means voter fraud. That's ACORN. We are funding Obama's army with a so-called stimulus plan.
I guess Limbaugh covers his butt just a little bit in the opening of his final paragraph- "this is just absurd." Yes it is, and yes you are. You, Hannity, and the rest of you marginalized morons, making crap up as you go along and making an amazingly good living doing it.
Limbaugh covers his butt just a little bit when he walks naked under a circus tent.
Now, how do I purge that image from my mind?
It will probably take more than a couple of drinks.
See? That didn't take long.
Here's a drinking game we can all play;
Watch the talking head shows tonight on cable; take a drink every time one of the Republican toadies repeats this lie.
You'll be drunk before Rachel Maddow comes on.
Watch Fox News tonight and take a sip every time someone says, "ACORN." You'll be in the emergency room with alcohol poisoning.
Speaking of Maddow, I've noticed she has taken on a much snarkier tone in the past week or so.
I liked her show better when it was more substance, less attitude.
Maybe she's being pushed in that direction by the people upstairs at MSNBC. I actually like her wonkish side better; she's really smart. I guess too much deep analysis is bad for ratings, though.
Here's my best Rachel Maddow impression:
"And when I finally got the bag open, what did I find? After the struggle to get that bag open, what did I find? What did I find after that long, hard struggle to get the bag open? What was my reward for struggling for literally several minutes to get that bag open, you ask? What did I find inside? COOKIES!"
"Coming next, Kent Jones says something not the least bit funny, and I giggle at it like a 14-year old girl."
I've listened to Maddow for quite some time on Air America and now MSNBC- and still waiting for her to get the hang of it and learn that the punchline really should match the buildup, at least every once in a while.
Wow... That was, well, almost funny.
Just an aside, here. Does anybody remember Rush's little rant back in 2006, saying that he wasn't going to "carry the GOP's water" any more? I think he stuck to it for about 3 days, longer than the attention span of his average listener.
I think you're giving his listeners too much credit.
Limbaugh would rather see America file for Chapter 11 bankrupcy in order to help the Free Republic Party, then seeing America thrive and prosper under President Obama.
RUSH LIMBAUGH HATES AMERICA.
Rush needs and probably prays for something bad to happen in this country. Rush has made the prediction that Obama will destroy this country. He is waiting to say "I told you so". We must remember that this Radical Goon has made approx. as many preditions since his show began as dollars given to Wall Street. And one day, ONE of those predictions will come true.
Rush Limbaugh is unAmerican and a far-nutwing radical who needs to be questioned by John Q. Public, not Seannie the Sissy Hannity. Rush, you are wrong again. And have proven that you cannot handle the heat...The curtain has been removed from the EIB golden microphone and you must now operate in the publics' eye. And they do not like what they see. I will personally insist to my good friend Prez Obama that your face be put on Mount Rushnomore.
It's quite simple, really. If the economy continues to tank through the 2010 election, the Republicans can blame it on Obama. Why should they help him?
Rush Limbaugh is invested in defeat.
Why are they saying Limbaugh is parroting the GOP? It's the other way around, everyone knows that...
What??? You only listen to Limbaugh and you have no intellect whatsoever...Listening to an uneducated buffoon, like Limbaugh!
This fraud is crazy! I wish Obama would just ignore him and allow the reps. to continue listening to his dribble!
Shaggles, if you continue this very logical and sane thinking, O"reilly will be sending the Fox Police to your home. What you don't understand is that none of those homes are in Rushs' neighborhood.
Well shaggles, the republicans were against housing stimulus (they voted against it last week) before they were for it (now they want it added to the stimulus package and say they will vote against it if it isn't added).
AM I GETTING THIS WRONG, or is this fat bastid rush limbaugh using the Public Airwaves to lobby against the President's Economic Stimulus Bill?
Because if he is, then why can't I also use the Public Airwaves, to broadcast my political opinions, and perhaps influence and manipulate the political opinions of the American People, as rush limbaugh is doing?
This seems to me to be a terribly private and political use of the Public Airwaves rush limbaugh is making, when he uses precious and privileged FCC Licenses as his own personal political platform... when in no way shape or form, can you or I or anybody we know do this also... and again, the key point here is a about a Public Resource, the Public Airwaves, being used for purely personal and political motives (to lobby the American People against the President's plan), when at the same time you and I and everybody we know, are absolutely shut out and prohibited from doing the same...
A PUBLIC RESOURCE, the PUBLIC AIRWAVES, used by this fat bastid in whatever way enriches him personally, but denied completely and absolutely to me and you and evreyone we know (despite us collectively being the American People themselves!)
nobody is stopping you from pitching your idea to any owner of any radio station in any market anywhere in this country, to host your own talk show where you can impart your opinions. good luck.
If the Talk Radio market were a level playing field, you might have a point.
i was wondering how Dem02020 was being completely and absolutely denied this public resource, as he specifically claims.
Maybe it's the same way poor inner city kids are being denied their right to a private school education because the mean old Democrats won't let them have vouchers?
Missed the point, James. The airwaves are a public good, yet private interests are calling the shots on what opinion can and cannot be aired,
Keep up.
"If the Talk Radio market were a level playing field,"
Nobody wants to listen to liberal radio. Don't like Rush, then stay on FM.
I can't beleive the discontent, hatred and name calling that goes on at this site, and you want to call me racist.
In the words of Glem Beck, "Take the beam out of your own eye first."
Hold onto that arrogance. We liberals figured it out and unified ourselves with a message of effective government, mutual responsibility, broad prosperity, smarter defense and a better future. We made our case to people and today vast majorities favor our worldview to the, you're on your own, conservative worldview.
The really bad news for the rightwing is that we were able to do this without a massive radio monopoly. You guys are in real danger of losing the soul of your party for a long, long time.
He does have the #1 talk radio show in the nation, While your democtate house and senate have a lower rating than Bush does.
Ever here of FREE SPEECH?
Remmember the toys made in china that came wrapped so nicely, but where tainted with lead paint? Well Rush and others unwrap this pretty package and show where the lead paint is.
What is said, ment and means are 3 different things entirely. Ever been offered something for free? Theres a catch somewhere in that free offering that will cost you money.
Yes, we have heard of it. That's why we should bring back the fairness doctrine because people like you are trying to eliminate free speech.
I don't condem you for you speech.
All you have to do is find a time slot on a station and have at it.
Funny, but Limbaugh makes no complaint about the $24 billion in corporate tax breaks included in the stimulus package... which will have little impact on stimulating the economy or creating jobs but are included to appease Republicans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/27/stimulus-features-tax-cut_n_161170.html
Unless you run a corporation as I do , You have no idea the amount of money we spend for various taxes.
I have written to Robert Reich, with no reply to my questions I posed to him, And will be down sizing my company so I don't wind up in this new tax to pay for all this oulandish spending proposal. You pay it.
I'm sorry. I'm not usually one to run down someone for spelling and grammar but you, after all, run a corporation.
I know you don't run a software company that sells spell checking programs.
Caught ya. These people try to discredit those that point out the the true meaning of what is being said, and yet instead of looking for the embeded meaning of what is being said you criticize the individual words.
Rush point out the meaning, you point out spelling. What's the difference??????
Well, see, your bad spelling and grammar and syntax - which bring into serious doubt your claim to CEO-hood, by the way - are easily visible and verifiable, while Rush and Sean's claims are lies and distortions, which can be proved false and malicious.
Yeah, but that's not pork. That's good governance.
why is it that liberals love to point out the tangible benefits, as it when the government spends money on job creation, yet when it's actually tax breaks, or cuts, or letting people keep more of their own money, they refuse to acknowledge such benefits - as in corporations might, just might, expand their businesses creating jobs because they have more money to invest. But for liberals this can't be the case, because the corporations just keep their money, or take it overseas, is that it?
Or they might, just might, give their executives bigger bonuses, who will in turn pay less in taxes because they got huge tax cuts.
It's called "Trickle Up" economics.
And trickle down, does not work. Ever. Or I should say, hasn't worked ever.
How about gushing up or gushing down instead of trickling?
not all corporations, in fact a very few but they get plenty of ink in the press, are Exxon or some other fat bloated entity with executives rolling in dough from some big bonus. That is just the liberal media playing class warfare meant to outrage people into thinking what you claim is systemic, which it is not. Corporations are run like any mom and pop business on the corner, to make a profit. Sure, some are greedy but the vast majority are not. it's the liberal's favorite dartboard, because it's faceless and nameless, put forth by the liberal media.
More Conservative trickle-down BS. No JamesB the reason is this:"Moody’s Economy.com has calculated that “with the stimulus, there will be 4 million more jobs and the jobless rate will be more than 2 percentage points lower by the end of 2010 than [it would be] without any fiscal stimulus.” An analysis by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, meanwhile, found that infrastructure investment creates more than 60,000 jobs for every $1 billion spent, versus just 10,000 jobs for every billion spent on a corporate tax cut.
you failed to address anything I said, but went on to give me liberal talking points about the divine benefits of government spending, thank you. Let OBama have his stimulus, the Republicans have no credibility on spending so let our new president have what he wants. We will see if spending our way out of this is the way to go, I don't think it is, but who knows.
You said :"why is it that liberals love to point out the tangible benefits, as it when the government spends money on job creation, yet when it's actually tax breaks, or cuts, or letting people keep more of their own money, they refuse to acknowledge such benefits - as in corporations might, just might, expand their businesses creating jobs because they have more money to invest..." I said ::"Moody’s Economy.com has calculated that “with the stimulus, there will be 4 million more jobs and the jobless rate will be more than 2 percentage points lower by the end of 2010 than [it would be] without any fiscal stimulus.” An analysis by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, meanwhile, found that infrastructure investment creates more than 60,000 jobs for every $1 billion spent, versus just 10,000 jobs for every billion spent on a corporate tax cut." What part of that response didn't answer your question???
His partisan brain cannot hear you my friend. All he hears is the sweet strains of tax cut angels repeating chorus after chorus of, "gubmint bad, pornographic profits good."
Dude, get over it. We have had huge corporate, sweetheart tax deals for eight years. Tax cuts do not create jobs.
Tax cuts do not create jobs?
Actually high tax cause layoffs, company downsizing/closings, companies moving elswhere out of the country (lower taxes) and less they can spend on things like a RAISE for you.
Stop lying and show me the data that tax cuts create jobs, and stop blaming taxes for the kind of greed that says it's OK to export good jobs while CEO's rake in 500 time more in income than the average employee.
Conservatives are so callously anti-American with their family hating excuses for paying slave wages.
I pay my employees 30% of the labor for the job. I also raise their pay to 40% if they go pass a 100 question test.
Shame on me for poor pay.
Way to evade the truth moment. I don't care how much you squirm, you cannot prove tax cuts create jobs. Period.
Tax cuts -v- all out spending:
$200,000 in condems = no tax mony back to goverment
$200,000 In tax cuts = reinvestment in company to add vans, equipment, hire employees, ect. that provides tax money back to feds & state.
Also, spending to possibly a company that you work for, to help you keep your job.
So just take your word for it? Is that what you're telling me because I could care less about your hypothetical scenarios. Show me actual proof that tax cuts create jobs, liar.
As far as tax cuts do the 80's ring a bell?? taxes were lowered then, and things were so good I could quit a job at 10.00am take lunch and be working at 100pm the same day for someone else. You'll want to rant about 10-12% interest rates, but they were trying to keep the economy in check.
That's funny, I remember the Reagan tax cut recession. Heck, Limbaugh was just telling a caller that 86 was worse than today.
What is wrong with you?
PS.
Show me he data that tax cuts create jobs, liar.
Clinton did sign NAFTA.
OOPs, there went 1000's of jobs to other contries.
Yep. NAFTA sucks.
One word. NAFTA
Right. So the Bush tax cuts did so much good that the American economy s booming and unemployment is at an all-time low, along with the Federal deficit.
Your logic and sense of history are as faulty as your spelling and grammar.
Lets look at taxes.
California has the highest tax rate in America, Yet they were the firt state to ask for a hand out.
Most state sales tax rates are almost, or soon to be, higher than most corporations make in profit on products and services they provide.
Ok, lets raise to corporate tax rate, sky high so you wont fell bad. I will have two choices. 1) close down and not be subject to it. OR 2) increase my rates and pass it on to you. Either way you loose. 1) Me and others give up/close down and people are laid off and out of work. And new businesses don't open. OR 2) you pay more for the same service.
You're still dumb, Iron Maiden.
Have you divided $1 Billion by 60,000???
You people cheer this on. But if a corporation did it they would be out of buisness, or if the corporation managed to make a measly 10% profit, you would be outraged.
There is a big difference in the $1 billion spent on infrastructure and $1 billion on corporate tax cuts. Infrastructure money is directly paid out and the taxes collected as a result of the infrastructure project don't even come close to paying back this amount (thus Americans have to pay more in taxes to cover this). The corporate tax cut is not paid out directly, but rather it is not collected. Thus remaining in the private sector that can be used for expansion and job creation that results in a positive tax revenue cash flow.
Even if you weren't talkin' smack, I along with about 84% of the rest of us, would pay a little more for universal healthcare. Anyway, according to Obama's plan, it won't be the ones hurting the most, the middle class, who will be paying more. It will be the comfy leisure class finally paying their fair pittance.
My grandfather died of parkisans disease. He served in the US army and worked long enough to get SSI, He moved to Canada and worked their long enough to get their SSI and universal health care.
He either had to wait and or travel from Vancouver to Ontario to get treatment or come to Washington St for immediate care and treatment.
Which Health care do you think he chose???????
He chose to come to Washington St.
He was a veteran. So your grandfather came back home to basically take advantage of some good old socialized military medicine? You don't seem to think about what you write.
Just expand that military model of medicine to every man, woman and child.
Sorry he didn't use military benifits.
Then he was as dumb as you to pay for medical care that Uncle Sam would have given him free.
The "very few" companies that gave execs such disproportionately huge bonuses and perks are, strangely enough, the ones that are in the worst trouble from mismanagement.
Because we liberals know that when you let major corporations take huge tax breaks, usually, they just bank the money. There is no real evidence out there to show that corporations will re-invest their tax break money, not to mention, there are already so many corporate tax loopholes that most companies pay only a pittance in taxes to the government already.
Now, we're all for letting people keep their own money, as in Obama's tax cuts that he proposed during the campaign for 95% of the American population. When we don't like it is when the rich get richer from tax cuts, and said tax cuts leave out, yes, the majority of the country. Because, again, it's been proven time and again that when you give rich folks bigger tax breaks, that does not equal more jobs. Look, for a prime example, the Bush administration. Gave tax cuts to people with lots of money, and we have a crappy economy.
no, the reason for out current crappy economy is not from tax cuts, although liberals love to say so, it's not true. It's because of the housing mess we're in, homes were overpriced and people bought when they shouldn't for many reasons, there are plenty to blame for that. And along with those tax cuts did NOT come spending restraint as it should have, instead came borrowing and bigger government, that is the reason. When you spend too much and can't pay for it, bills come home to roost. we are taxed plenty, we can't afford anymore.
I see why you have trouble understanding, you just repeat talking points even though the facts hit you in the face. Also you suffer from "selective amnesia","... the reason for out current crappy economy is not from tax cuts, although liberals love to say so, it's not true..." So you mean the deficit began with the housing crisis????Come-on even you no better than that.GWBush turned a budget surplus into a deficit shortly into his 1st term. You do remember the Iraq War and how for the first time in our history Bush gave out tax cuts benefiting mostly the top 1%(go out and shop)while barrowing from China to finance it?? I guess that didn't grow the deficit? All this took place before the "housing bubble" burst. What is this spending restraint you cons seemed consumed by but only when it goes to makes working peoples lives better. 1 trillion and counting spent in Iraq,but no money for health insurance here? The problem isn't bigger government it's having a government that works. One not staffed by "Brownies", you remember the good job, but by competent people with the priority and focus on the people's welfare, not just corporations and financiers.
I didn't say that the entire bad economy is from tax cuts, but indeed, that didn't help, you know, when Bush gave away the ENTIRE budget surplus he received from Clinton along with a balanced budget, and other items like that.
And it's not entirely the mess with housing either as to why we're in a bad economy.
You're right, there was no spending restraint, on that we can agree, not to mention, Bush not factoring in war spending to the budget, just adding it in there.
Spending is not the problem. It's a matter of prioritizing the spending.
War and Corporate subsidies are the Republican priorities, not healthcare and education. Republican priorities are dead end priorities, they do not consider long term investment.
"instead came borrowing and bigger government,"
Examples, homey. In what ways did the Bush Republicans expand government?
The New Gestapo. Excuse me, i meant "Homeland Security" - which was, in major part, a ruse to cover union-usting, and hasn't managed to do anything worthwhile with its other mandates.
At great expense, bith in monetary and civil liberties terms.
Why don't conservatives acknowledge that Federal tax cuts mean an increase in state and local taxes and fees and a reduction in federal, state and local services?
I prefer to keep the tax system as it is for now. I wouldn't even mind paying more. After all, we're fighting three wars on our children's credit cards. If these wars are as important as the right says they are, shouldn't we all bear our share of the costs? Why do we hear so much flag waving and war mongering from the right but never see any of them willing to carry the weight of war.
if my tax increase went directly to a soldier's needs, or in an accountable fashion towards fighting our enemies in these wars, fine. but it doesn't. It gets filtered through the inefficient and bloated Washington system and ends up propping up some totally unrelated program and wasted. that's why
With your expert testimony on just what is needed and how to provide it. Terminating programs that you have no use for or that cannot be proved to have a directly positive effect on you and all like minded paragons.
Your expertness being based on?
So you admit domestic spying and torture has undermined our faith in the rule of law and does not enhance our security or benefit veterans? Good.
Now if you could only admit that paying executives in the private sector 500 times that of the lowest paid employee was as equally inefficient and wasteful, you might have a point.
Or, perhaps, they may note that the economy has collapsed AND the deficit is at record levels since the last rond of Republican tax cuts as usual?
Incidentally, Neal Boortz, one of Fatso's acolytes and a good buddy of Hannity, is fond of saying (when tax increases are discussed, but not when the mantra of "If we cut taxes, coporations will be able to afford to expand" ison the table): "Corporations don't *pay* taxes - corporations *collect* taxes."
Boston radio butthead Jay Severin was just giving off with the same line a few minutes ago.
Plus, lots of stimulus dollars to fund more "Pis-- Christs" via the NEA.
Not to mention Obama groveling to the Arab World. Limbaugh is one of his idols, as is Pat Buchanan, for whom he once ran a (losing) campaign.
This guy is making stuff up every single day, and his devoted following cheers him on. Media Matters really ought to be monitoring this clown, whose show runs on WTKK (a/k/a WKKK) M-F from 3 to 7.
"The false claim is based on a misrepresentation of a provision that would appropriate $4,190,000,000 "for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008." The provision requires that money to be distributed through competitive processes."
That would be ACORN. It's payback for the election. Who else in the inner cities would be in the "competitive processes"? Nobody.
It could invovle ACORN since they are a community organization..."neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008." But your supposition from the above is not seconded that statement. Furthermore your ideological bias is exposed by this statement which nothing more than a regurgitation of conservative BS..."It's payback for the election..." Again you assumption is that only poor people are being forclosed on and ACORN is in every neighborhood with high forcloser rates, neither of which is supported by your presentation.
How about, you know, HUD (Housing and Urban Development)? How about Inner City Housing Corporation? How about ICCF (Inner City Christian Federation)? How about Housing Partnership Network? East Bay Housing Organization?
I mean, seriously, a short little google would tell you that there is more than just ACORN out there working to help out inner city folks, and their housing issues. Anyway, what has ACORN done that you think is bad anyway?
America should break down the doors to the studio where Rush bleats his insane hatred and forcibly remove his fat ass from the airwaves. Rush is simply acting like a terrorist, spreading lies and propaganda for the right wing republican machine.
The big fat FAR RIGHT WING GASBAG just goes on and on. nothing new s.o.s.(same old s--t).
It all comes back to Republican elitism. They hate the grassroots. You know, the little folks like you and I?
They hate it when government listens to us because they know they serve at the pleasure of big money.
I am a grassroots person who stated a buisness 8yrs ago. My buisness is resession proof, The more the economy tanks the more buisness I get. Due to the possibility of being forced to be Unionized, facing Taxes being increased for being self motivated and putting people to work (to live the American dream), Being discriminated against and facing more Government intervention, I am going to downsize. How does that fit into your economic thoughts.
Does any one here know what their "raw wage" is????
Raw wage is your net + Company paid (ssi, med, worker comp ins, fed unemployment, state unemployment, company contributions to 401K, company paid part of heath ins and other company paid monies).
On top of what I pay employees, I pay for: buisness liscense (for each city and county I work in), permits, in my county I pay buisness personal property tax on every thing the buiness owns including my chair), corporate tax, state corporate tax, general liability ins, worker comp ins, State liscense, Higher than personal use on company owned vehical redgistrations (part of registrations is an added tax to fund bus system that doesn't come within 9 miles of my buisness location), Comercial property tax (which is higher than residential) and other misc taxes.
And you thing your getting screwed????
With a resession proof business your getting screwed? Unable to keep those nasty possibly to go union workers. I'd say your business accume is assymetrical.
You sound just like one of those megacrats I read on rawstory last nightdiscussing, how they were going to do their wallet draining best to bring down the unions and all they stand for.
Boo hoo. You left out the part where you pay a living wage or health insurance, which I doubt you do since you fear the union.
The short and long of it is, if you can't afford to run your business and allow for decent wages, you have no right running a business. Just my opinion. You need to view yourself as a shepherd of the community that keeps you in business.
Now why don't tell us about the many savings you receive from having a publicly educated workforce? publicly funded roads? Federally insured banks? socialized police force to protect your business? socialized fire department? I know you get some sweet tax incentives/breaks, why don't you tell us about some of those. Honest accounting. Try it.
Hell, you cons are always telling us nothing comes for free and here you are whining about having to pay the infrastructure tab that enables you to conduct your business.
It's true, conservatives are always looking to get something for nothing. Cons would work a man to death 7 days a week, 60 hours a week for dirt wages until he dies. No retirement, no benefits, no protection; just mad profit for the man.
Complainer.
I don't get any, as you call, "sweet tax incentives". Try again
I do hire unskilled workers, and personally train them. How unfair that is.
I pay taxes and never get any back, while my employees get monies returned to them. How unfair of me.
Liar.
Nice coment on how I pay my employees, cocidering your on a truth web site.
You're lying, plain and simple. You think you have done everything you've done without the benefit of a helping hand from government.
Maybe you're not lying, maybe you're just delusional.
Your here talking about how Rush lies and twists the truth. Yet you make accusations about how I pay my employees or provide insurance without knowing.
As far as the public educatiion, MORE comon sense needs to be taught.
FYI: I hire Minorities, women and under educated. I also pay a better wage than my competitors.
I have worked non union, been a union member and own my own company. Untill you have run your own, you won't understand what we go thru.
As i said before, "I'm willing to shut it down and stop teaching my trade to others".
Just DOING my part to help the economy. Tired of being accused of this and that.
Its a bit hard to get through your spew.
We can't stop you from spewing, but if you'd like to stop blaming all your trouble and strain on organized labor and the requirements of doing business in this country. We might both learn something.
No, I'm here talking about how you are lying and twisting the truth.
Don't give me that I can't know your troubles line, brother. It's easy to see you resent being a part of a country that asks you give back a little in exchange for the tremendous advantages you're born into. Just be grateful that liberals were there throughout history to fight against the corporate slave society worldview.
As for teaching common sense in schools... not so much, that's what family is for. I would rather them teach math, science, english and art. You know, the skills that will enable us to solve our problems with creativity and rationality.
You do realize that TWO wars were fought in this country, initially started by TAXES. Much less than we are taxed now.
I don't Mind paying my fare share and am will to do so but, How much is enough. 30% 40% 50% or just take it all.????
Most of our founding fathers were rich and went broke to make this country great. So that we could do what we want when we want and to make as much as we can with money as well as with life itself.
I don't want you, the government or anybody else to pay for my insurance BUT ME, It's my responsibility. As for socialized medicine, I don't want to wait 6-8 months to have something done or travel 700 miles.
I did a job to day at a low income housing community, Government mony at work (I do not have a problem with), But the $450.00 repair I had to make could have been avoided had the tenant spent 75 cents.
Before you rant on this, The 75 cents would reduce thier electric bill by $10.00 a month. This is the comon sense I'm talking about.
What. Get outta here with your nonsense. Or how about you at least try to back up your crap with some examples?. This country has been in many wars. Am I just supposed to decipher your gibberish about which ones were supposedly fought over taxes?
Not only is your grammar lousy and your spelling bad, but this time you're not even making the minimal sense your other pasts made - i think i can decipher what you meant (typical right-wing bulll), but the way you said it makes me unsure.
At least, if you're *really* getting licenses, i know you're not Joe the Plumber or his boss.
I am really disgusted with this guy .....
I appreciate this site.....but it preaches to the choir....
Question:
At what point (if any) is he legally bound for slander / lying etc. Or am I so ignorant that this is considered free speech?
-Disgusted in Philly
It is amazing the herd instinct in the far right punditry when they repeatedly put out misinformation even when the error of their reporting is so widely known and they still insist on their political lies. Just amazing. But even more amazing than it is that Limbaugh et al do it, is the herd instinct to pass the misinformation on and on asnd on even though it has been thoroughly debunked. W@ho can explai it? Dull of wit or just natural gborn liars? who knows.