Dobbs again promoted GOP claims that SCHIP could benefit undocumented immigrants
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SUMMARY: CNN's Lisa Sylvester again uncritically reported Republican claims that "people living in the United States illegally might be able to access" health insurance benefits under new legislation extending SCHIP. Lou Dobbs also stated that "opponents say it will make it easier for illegal aliens to receive taxpayer-funded health insurance." But neither Sylvester nor Dobbs noted that the legislation includes a citizenship verification process in which states would use SCHIP applicants' names and Social Security numbers to verify that they are eligible.
On the February 4 broadcast of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, correspondent Lisa Sylvester again uncritically reported Republican claims that legislation extending the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) -- signed that day by President Obama -- "loosens the identity document requirement so that even people living in the United States illegally might be able to access the program." Introducing the report, host Lou Dobbs also stated that "opponents say it will make it easier for illegal aliens to receive taxpayer-funded health insurance." During the report, onscreen text read: "Healthcare For Illegal Aliens," and "New law may give healthcare to illegal aliens." However, neither Sylvester nor Dobbs mentioned that the legislation includes a citizenship verification process in which states would use SCHIP applicants' names and Social Security numbers to verify that they are eligible, as Media Matters for America has noted.
Sylvester also included in her report a video clip of Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA) stating, "[W]e're saying we're going to open it up to anybody who just wants to tell you they're a citizen." Following her report, Sylvester said to Dobbs, "Representative Michael Burgess [R-TX] said that you have to show your ID before you cash a check at a grocery store, so why wouldn't we require someone to show identification before they receive this health care benefit?" Dobbs replied: "I guess it's because it's just our money, Lisa, ours and our fellow citizens' money. They're not too concerned about that, I think, in Washington, D.C. That's amazing."
However, neither Sylvester nor Dobbs mentioned that the legislation, H.R. 2, would provide an "Alternative State Process for Verification of Declaration of Citizenship or Nationality for Purposes of Eligibility for Medicaid," under which individuals could prove their eligibility by providing their name and Social Security number to state officials, rather than by providing "documentary evidence of citizenship or nationality." Specifically, applicants' Social Security numbers would be checked against "records maintained by the Commissioner [of Social Security]" and, in the case of unresolved "inconsisten[cies]," individuals could ultimately be "disenroll[ed] ... from the State plan."
From H.R. 2, Title II, Subtitle B, Section 211:
SEC. 211. VERIFICATION OF DECLARATION OF CITIZENSHIP OR NATIONALITY FOR PURPOSES OF ELIGIBILITY FOR MEDICAID AND CHIP.
(a) Alternative State Process for Verification of Declaration of Citizenship or Nationality for Purposes of Eligibility for Medicaid-
(1) ALTERNATIVE TO DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENT-
[...]
"(ee)(1) For purposes of subsection (a)(46)(B)(ii), the requirements of this subsection with respect to an individual declaring to be a citizen or national of the United States for purposes of establishing eligibility under this title, are, in lieu of requiring the individual to present satisfactory documentary evidence of citizenship or nationality under section 1903(x) (if the individual is not described in paragraph (2) of that section), as follows:
"(A) The State submits the name and social security number of the individual to the Commissioner of Social Security as part of the program established under paragraph (2).
"(B) If the State receives notice from the Commissioner of Social Security that the name or social security number, or the declaration of citizenship or nationality, of the individual is inconsistent with information in the records maintained by the Commissioner --
"(i) the State makes a reasonable effort to identify and address the causes of such inconsistency, including through typographical or other clerical errors, by contacting the individual to confirm the accuracy of the name or social security number submitted or declaration of citizenship or nationality and by taking such additional actions as the Secretary, through regulation or other guidance, or the State may identify, and continues to provide the individual with medical assistance while making such effort; and
"(ii) in the case such inconsistency is not resolved under clause (i), the State--
"(I) notifies the individual of such fact;
"(II) provides the individual with a period of 90 days from the date on which the notice required under subclause (I) is received by the individual to either present satisfactory documentary evidence of citizenship or nationality (as defined in section 1903(x)(3)) or resolve the inconsistency with the Commissioner of Social Security (and continues to provide the individual with medical assistance during such 90-day period); and
"(III) disenrolls the individual from the State plan under this title within 30 days after the end of such 90-day period if no such documentary evidence is presented or if such inconsistency is not resolved.
The Congressional Budget Office also outlined the bill's "alternative citizenship verification process" in its cost estimate:
Verification of Declaration of Citizenship or Nationality for Purposes of Eligibility for Medicaid and CHIP. The bill would provide an alternative citizenship verification process for states when determining Medicaid eligibility. Instead of presenting satisfactory documentary evidence as required under the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, states could submit the name and Social Security number of the individual to the Commissioner of Social Security. The Commissioner would then determine whether the name and Social Security number provided by the state is consistent with information in the records maintained by the Commissioner. If the information is not consistent, the state would make a reasonable effort to address the causes of the inconsistency. If the inconsistency cannot be resolved, the individual would be disenrolled from the program. The bill also would apply the verification process to the Children's Health Insurance Program.
The SCHIP bill also explicitly states in Section 605 that "[n]othing in this Act allows Federal payment for individuals who are not lawfully residing in the United States":
SEC. 605. NO FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Nothing in this Act allows Federal payment for individuals who are not lawfully residing in the United States. Titles XI, XIX, and XXI of the Social Security Act provide for the disallowance of Federal financial participation for erroneous expenditures under Medicaid and under CHIP, respectively.
From the February 4 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:
DOBBS: President Obama today signed into law the SCHIP legislation. That legislation expanding children's health coverage, but opponents say it will make it easier for illegal aliens to receive taxpayer-funded health insurance. They also warn that it expands government and title programs at a time when the federal government is already bloated. Lisa Sylvester has our report.
[begin video clip]
SYLVESTER: Twice vetoed by President Bush, the SCHIP legislation was made law by President Obama.
OBAMA: In a decent society, there are certain obligations that are not subject to tradeoffs or negotiations, and health care for our children is one of those obligations.
SYLVESTER: The law reauthorizes the children's insurance program for 7 million kids, expands the program to 4 million more, and allows children of legal immigrants to sign up. The additional cost, $32.8 billion, paid for with the 62-cent cigarette tax.
REP. ANNA ESHOO (D-CA): Today, a promise is being kept to America's children. They will be insured with health insurance.
SYLVESTER: But SCHIP was hotly debated in Congress, Republicans leading the opposition, arguing that it will expand government-sponsored health insurance, and that it loosens the identity document requirement so that even people living in the United States illegally might be able to access the program.
DEAL: At a time when we are hearing people saying, "We want you to secure our borders. We want you to protect us," we're saying we're going to open it up to anybody who just wants to tell you they're a citizen.
SYLVESTER: Other groups take issue with the cigarette tax, pointing to a campaign promise by President Obama of no new taxes for those making less than $250,000 a year.
PHIL KERPEN (director of policy for Americans for Prosperity): So this tax is going to fall very heavily on lower-income and middle-income folks who were promised that they wouldn't see any tax increases.
SYLVESTER: Republicans offered amendments to change the legislation, but with Democrats now running the show on Capitol Hill, most of their concerns were brushed aside.
[end video clip]
SYLVESTER: And on loosening the identity checks, Representative Michael Burgess said that you have to show your ID before you cash a check at a grocery store, so why wouldn't we require someone to show identification before they receive this health care benefit? Lou.
DOBBS: I guess it's because it's just our money, Lisa, ours and our fellow citizens' money. They're not too concerned about that, I think, in Washington, D.C. That's amazing.
SYLVESTER: Yeah. And, you know, I think it's the obvious thing, but, oftentimes in Washington, on Capitol Hill, they don't really necessarily do what is obvious or right, Lou.
DOBBS: As I have noticed here of late, Lisa, thank you very much. I know you have as well. Lisa Sylvester, thank you very much.
Oh no!
ALERT! ALERT! Danger Will Robinson...
A few illegal aliens just might access some free healthcare in America...
I say we don't give out free healthcare to any American's and make it all for-profit so that all those wonderful CEO's can keep making ungodly amounts of salary!
I would ask if these people are serious... but this is a group of idiots that place the words 'terror(ism)(ize)(s)(d) in front of nearly every story of arson, robbery, etc, etc... instead of just for legit terror stories.
I really can't stand todays media!
That is the bottom line, capt, that hired propagandists like LD MUST protect the profits. Especially in healthcare, because people will always get sick (weaklings!).
Legit terror certainly describes the health care system. My aunt was a proponent of it her whole life as a physician, but when she got ill and tried to go on disability, the bureaucracy denied her. Irony 101 (the lesson, not the person).
The CEO of United Health Group, William W. McGuire, came a away with a cool $342 million over a 5-year period.
Is there really a skill set that’s worth this much money?
I wonder how many lives would have been saved had this guy only made half of what he did.
Is there really a skill set that’s worth this much money?
The skill is in positioning oneself to economically feather one's own nest in total disproportion to one's value. Or perhaps, such as in the case of Dick Cheney's tenure with Halliburton, one's value to the enterprise is in manipulating Congress (I think it's sometimes called lobbying.) in such a way that results in enhanced business profits.
"A few illegal aliens just might access some free healthcare in America..."
You idiot, try 10 million kids are here illegal. That is more then a few you blinded fool.
Where did you derive that 10 million illegal alien children? And how many of those children have accessed free health care?
1. Please back up your 10 million illegal children number with a reference.
2. Many children of illegal immigrants were born here and as American citizens deserver health care.
3. Even if there are 10 million "illegal immigrant" children that does not mean they will all receive benifits. As MM cited there is an alternate process for verification.
I am tried of proving my points, I can do it all day. (you all call it cut and paste) so much like you I will make my point and move on. Ever heard of the term anchor baby? You can go to the boarder right now and find women sitting in cars in the U.S. Hopital parking lots whom are illegal just waiting to give birth. Why is this, anchor babies. Once they give birth they know they will not be deported, that now their kids will get freebies from YOU. Your point 3, YES THEY WILL come on down to Texas, walk into and ER and you will find kids with a cold, or a scratch. They call 911 cause the know the amublance has to take them to a hospital and they can not refuse help. Even for a minor scrap or cuts. How unaware are you about what is going on in the U.S. with the boarder. In Harris County last year the local government had to write off 203 million dollars in 2006, 607 million last of unpaid health care due to illegals who could not pay, this is real. Guess who paid those bills, we the citizens of the U.S. more so the citizens fo the U.S. whom live in Harris county. You just do not get it, we could proved healthcare to all children for free, but you and your liberal feel good buddies think this is ok. MY God how clueless are you all. You will not find this in the media, it does not help the agenda of the Democrats, but do your research you will find it is true.
First of all. Any child born in the United States is an American citizen. Sorry if that bothers you but they deserve all the same privledges you and I have. They may be anchor babies but they are no less American that you or I.
Second, this bill is not about illegal immigrants using emergency medical services for everyday problems. Many people without proper health care use the same sevices for the same reasons. This is about American children having access to medical services. You still have not proved that there will be an influx of illegal children receiving medical services.
Third, you complain about illegals using emergency medical services for everyday problems like a cold. How do you suppose we will stop that. Will all people with an accent be made to keep their birth certificate on them. Will EMT's need to say "Papers Please?" before taking someone to the hospital. Should all Americans be forced to carry a Citzen card? Or would that only be enforced for the Mexicans? I understand there is a problem with illegal immigration in this country. However, it won't be solved by penalizing under insured American children.
Finally, I don't care if you are tired of proving your points. If you are going to give numbers you need to back them up. So I'm going to give you a lesson. You said Harris county paid $607M on unpaid healthcare. Ummm wrong! http://www.alipac.us/article3818.html When you read the article you will see that the entire state of Texas spent that much. Of course there is also the quote from the CEO of the Harris County Hospital "The cost of health care to undocumented immigrants is something we worry about, something we monitor, but we don't want to overstate it," or "It's not an overwhelming percentage of our budget." That's because the numbers they are using are what they charge. And eveyone knows in healthcare no one pays retail except poor people without healthcare. Finally, towards the end of the article they show that illegal immigrants paid an estimated 1.58B in taxes while the state paid 1.5B. Hmmm seems like that is a wash. So now I have to ask...how clueless are YOU?
H-man, I know this, but also this is why many folks are trying to change the law. That at least one parent has to be a citizen for a child to be an automatic citizen.
Second, it is happening now.
Third, RN, would be the gate keeper, they would be in the ER to determine if a true emergency, if not the would them to other locations. It is being done now in private hospitals and working .
fourth - No you are wrong, do a search on Harris County and Illegal Cost, you will se the cost. That individual also is a big Democrate who here in Harris County that is proposing amensity. Did they tell you how much money was sent back to Mexico, and that was a estimated amount based on sales tax. This have been proven wrong, so keep researching, your getting close.
I know people are trying to change the law such that one person has to be a citizen in order for the child to be a citizen. I am totally against this. If a child lives in the United States for their whole life they should not be penalized for the sins of their parents. That being said until the law changes these children have a right to healtcare.
I know these things are happening now. But the SCHIP has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.
If you have RN's be the gate keeper of emergency medical treatment where will uninsured Americans go for healthcare? Will they have to be near death to see a doctor. Your solution does not help them at all. The only other solution is to have the RN check for citizenship which is impractical.
Finally I am not wrong. I looked up those terms and found another site that show the cost of illegal immigrants for Harris County is well under 600M. http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/182250.php This second site is angry about the costs too but they put the unreimbersed costs at a max of $125M
So I'm done looking up info. I have facts you have nothing.
Littlefoot, I'll make you a deal...none of your taxes go towards paying for healthcare for illegals and none of mine goes towards the illegal wars. And why don't you bitch about the wars? Also, if you were a real American, you would have read a book and moved out of Texas to a real state.
P.S. "does not help the agenda"...Here's some research for you...Noverber 2006....and look who is in the White House. You and you radical right nutz have to wait until approx. 2064 to get another Bush in office. How old will Palin be in 2064?
What you have a problem with my bible and guns? Prince, how do you know I haven't bitched about wars? yes, and who was running the House and Senate?
Republicans ran congress from 1994 to Jan 2007. You seem to have forgotten.
We can see that you are "tried" of proving your points. That is the usual response of you GOP folks. When you cannot prove a statement, you try to change the subject. So I will ask you agai. Where did you get the number 10 million? Are you sure it's not 9 million or 11 million? I'm an engineer and used to clarification through real numbers. I have a feeling though that you pulled that number out of the air and have no way of justifying it. If that is so, you have the opportunity, now that we are in a new political era of transparency, to say "Hey! I made it up." And that would give you more credibility on this site.
The bottom line is that Dobbs LIED or he never read the bill. The bill clearly states that illegal residents and/or children will not pass the restrictions. case closed. Move on.
Lou Dobbs is quickly becoming CNN's version of FOX's Sean Hannity...a watered-down version, of course, as no one can top Hannity's mawkish mendacity; but, nonetheless, Dobbs is appraoching Hannity's propensity for one-sided, slanted (an understatement) reporting. As we've seen in the past couple of days Dobbs reported on ACORN being in line to receive stimulus funds and failed to even mention ACORN's press release six days earlier in which it refuted the notion that it was even eligible for any stimulus funds. Now Dobbs pushes another false concern regarding illegal aliens receiving Medicaid funds while failing to even mention that the law specifically excludes illegal aliens and provides means for status checking...minor details, I am sure, in Dobbs one-sided argument. Dobbs, like Hannity, has demonstrated a complete lack of credibility and has elected to cater to the outer fringes of right wing lunacy. Hope you're happy out there, Lou...because no rational person would ever listen to you. You need to consider retirement...
BTW, I thought CNN was part of the biased liberal media. How can that be if it employs Lou Dobbs?
Snoopy, go and research Denmark and what happen to that country when it provided healthcare to all and anyone in its cournty. It almost put the country under. Not until they cut off free healthcare to non citizens did that country turn around to have the lowest unemployement rate in the world. Oce they gave up their socialist leanings and elected a more (and true )conservitive PM, (relected twice) did that country turn the corner. We are headed down the same road as Denmark did many years ago, back when they had 12% unemployment rate. Snoopy do you want to have are can you stomach 12% unemployment rates?
Every time you spout that conservative bs, I'm going to remind you of my friend, Jacob.
You talk about free healthcare. Kid you are out to lunch. I know a doorman, I hoist a few cold ones with him on the weekends. He's 55 and has worked all his life. He doesn't earn a huge salary but he loves his job (he's a man of the people and is quick with a joke.) He's paid his dues. Taxes, co-worker bs, has put up with workplace politics and has held the door with a smile. He has made his contribution. As it is with so many jobs, he does not have employer provided healthcare.
Jacob has skin cancer.
No insurance company will cover him at a rate he can afford with "pre-existing conditions."
He is dying in front of me and there is nothing I can do.
He told me about going in for a screening and having to haggle with the doctor over which spots on his body he can afford to have removed based on their severity. So do not tell me about free healthcare you fantasy living freak.
Your free loader stereotype is the stuff that kills real people.
I hate hate your, "you're on your own," society precisely for the reason that it has no common bond with you fellow man. It pits you in bitter competition with your neighbor for scarce resources. And I hate it because you take all the credit for your success. As if you actually educated yourself without the benefit of your teachers, who benefitted from their teachers who benefitted from their teachers and so on down the ages. As if this amazing web of technology, wisdom, insight and physical infrastructure that enables you to move toward your ultimate enlightenment were created by your own supple hands. You selfish bastard, everything is about you, you, you.
You make me sick, and ironically proud that I live in a country that allows even conceited people like you to prosper.
Rush Limbaugh says healthcare is a luxury...like a beach house. Those inferior people who didn't work hard enough to afford it? Well, that's just too damn bad...
Limbaugh is conservatism.
Bravo Roundhouse!!!!
Thanks buddy. Too bad Markb doesn't take his citizenship seriously enough to understand that Jacob's tragedy is his tragedy, too.
Round, I would be happy to give you my sad story about my brother that passed away this year, he had no insurance and no life insurance. Since he did not have insurance myself and my family had to pick up the cost. What is your point, life is not fair, never will be.
Sorry for your loss.
Had his country been there for him the way you were there for him, you would not be out the expense extracted from you. I, and any concerned human being, would gladly have given a portion of our weekly earnings to help your family have medical care. It would be a small price to pay to have the secure knowledge that we all have each other's back.
Life in America can be more fair than it is, that's the essence of creating a more perfect union.
Round, go and read what I said about Jacob in your orginal post. I just wondering how many times you have copied and pasted this weak story on all your liberal websites. I had an answer for your Jacob issue there. FYI, I think a illegal here in Houston got his skin care for free.
FYI, I think a illegal here in Houston got his skin care for free.
And how did that affect you personally?
Did not affect me, but sounds like Rounds friend U.S. citizne Jacob got the raw end of the deal.
Been there done that. Since you didn't read it, here you go.
Are you a numbskull? There is no individual policy he can afford. That was the point. And you shove that pompous, just get another job attitude, where the sun don't shine. Who is going to foresee themselves getting cancer in time to get a job that offers healthcare? Idiot. The cost of healthcare shouldn't put average working people in the poorhouse.
We as a society owe it to each other to maintain the healthiest country possible, that means Jacob shouldn't have to haggle for for his life like he was picking options on a car. He and so many millions like him give their all, everyday. they make the world go around and you owe them. I owe them. The difference is,I love my fellow citizen (even you) enough to get past petty resentment and sacrifice a little on their behalf.
Round, if healthcare was so important to him he would have found a job that provided it. Again, like most liberals you bitch when you do not have it right now when you need it most. You have to plan ahead just to make sure if these things were to happen you are ready for it. Much like insurance, you do not bitch after your house burns down, you buy insurance up front in case it were to happen. Guess you do not understand that! Sounds like Jacob works out side all day long in the sun, what has he never seen the news that the sun can cause cancer? Again life is not fair, but you can plan for the worse.
Round, if healthcare was so important to him he would have found a job that provided it.
The world needs ditch diggers too, don't they m-foot?
Your attitude is unbelievable. Ebenezer Scrooge reincarnated, without the spirits.
A life is not a house. Or are lives only important to you wingnuts when you're trying to force the rest of us to accept you zealous belief that life begins when a man has a lustful thought about the woman next to him on the bus?
Actually, I'm unemployed right now and it had nothing to do with health care. It had everything to do with Michael Dell getting a bunch of tax breaks from Bush and using those tax breaks to outsource all his manufacturing to China. By next year every Dell you buy will be made by the Chinese. So fearmonger all you want, I've lived through a fact and know I'd prefer socialized health care to none at all (what I currently have).
"Dobbs again promoted GOP claims that SCHIP could benefit undocumented immigrants" IT WILL BENEFIT The SCHIP bill does provide healthcare to illegal aliens in this country. I have even called my Senator and she said "YES" that illegal immigrants will be covered in this bill that provides money to the states. This is for familys that have a combined income of 80k. Show how is MMFA saying Dobbs is misleading,
Who is your Senator?
Your Senator is Kay Bailey Hutchison, isn't it? That explains it all...
I'd say your Senator is either a liar, hasn't actually read the bill, or is incredibly stupid.
Ok, so who is lying? In the Senate, the legislation is being crafted by the Finance Committee. Chairman Max Baucus (D., Mont.) has said he wants the ban lifted (immigration issues), Of all the immigration issues, this is a good one," said one Democratic aide.
Immigrant advocates are excited that the ban will be eliminated and that the victory will help make the case that pro-immigration action can be a political winner, said Jennifer Ng'andu of the advocacy group National Council of La Raza.
La Raza - which means "The Race" a group that only promotes hispanics, a tru racist organization.
So, who is your Senator?
Mark,
The ban you are talking about is regarding LEGAL immigrants to this country. Here is a link to an article about this. http://www.truthout.org/011309 . So once again your Senator was either ignorant of the bill or lying to you.
H-man get with the times, these people you quote use the word immigrants for illegals, becase they do not feel anyone is illegal. La Raza has stated that they are the true owners of the Southwest of the U.S. that this their soil and will take it back. Do your reseach. I am tired of educating you folks on these issues. These are issues we have been fighting here in Texas for years, you are just not getting a clue about it.
H-man get with the times, these people you quote use the word immigrants for illegals, becase they do not feel anyone is illegal. La Raza has stated that they are the true owners of the Southwest of the U.S. that this their soil and will take it back. Do your reseach. I am tired of educating you folks on these issues. These are issues we have been fighting here in Texas for years, you are just not getting a clue about it. Yea,
H-man get with the times, these people you quote use the word immigrants for illegals, becase they do not feel anyone is illegal. La Raza has stated that they are the true owners of the Southwest of the U.S. that this their soil and will take it back. Do your reseach. I am tired of educating you folks on these issues. These are issues we have been fighting here in Texas for years, you are just not getting a clue about it. Yea, she
H-man get with the times, these people you quote use the word immigrants for illegals, becase they do not feel anyone is illegal. La Raza has stated that they are the true owners of the Southwest of the U.S. that this their soil and will take it back. Do your reseach. I am tired of educating you folks on these issues. These are issues we have been fighting here in Texas for years, you are just not getting a clue about it. Yea, she just
H-man get with the times, these people you quote use the word immigrants for illegals, becase they do not feel anyone is illegal. La Raza has stated that they are the true owners of the Southwest of the U.S. that this their soil and will take it back. Do your reseach. I am tired of educating you folks on these issues. These are issues we have been fighting here in Texas for years, you are just not getting a clue about it. Yea, she just lide
Mark,
Did you read the article? It says the rule being overturned is for LEGAL immigrants. If you want to say this is the first step in allowing illegals healthcare so be it, But this particular LEGAL rule is regarding legal immigrants. This isn't about La Raza. This bill is about Americans and Legal immigrants havine access to healthcare. If you want to say illegals shouldn't receive healthcare fine. But that is a different issue from this bill. If you think Americans should be denied access to healthcare because some illegals will skirt the rules THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THIS BILL. Then you are misguided.
Some Illegals, H-man, is there a number you draw the line, what maybe 10, what about 10,000s'? What is your limit, Mine is One.
So you would be willing to let American's not receive healthcare because 1 illegal immigrant may receive healthcare. There are currently illegal immigrants receiving healthcare from the company that you receive benefits from. Under your thinking you should not receive healthcare. In fact none of us should receive healthcare.
Denying healthcare to American's because of the fear of illegal immigrants receiving benefits is pure stupidity. Illegals will always find a way to acquire healthcare. Even if we implanted rfid chips in every red blooded American people would find a way around it. Ignorace and xenophobia like yours ends up killing people.
How many Americans without healthcare have to die before your fear of one illegal immigrant is quashed. The only good thing I can think of is that people like you have lost. The dems are going to get healthcare to the Americans who need it. Maybe one day you will take off the tinfoil hat and join the rest of civilized society.
First, you're not a very good liar. We can all see that.
Second, how many illegal immigrant families do you know make a combined income of $80,000? (Are you really saying this? Can you not think for yourself?)
Even if ONE illegal immigrant child is able to take advantage of this program, you would leave all of the American children in the dust, is that right?
Boy, you cons sure have your priorities straight. Take supplemental health care insurance away from American children because you're worried that a few illegal children might get some health care. Sorry dude, but health care should be a human right. We should all have access to it. It doesn't matter where you're from.
You're so worried about being taxed to death, the big bad gubmint in your pocket, taking all of your money. Where is your outrage at the wasted money during the Bush years? Where is your anger at the tax dollars being thrown at a senseless war? Where is your outrage at the CEO's of banks paying themselves huge bonuses with TARP money - YOUR TAX MONEY?
But no, no child should benefit from you at all. You would steal health care from a child...nice.
Who care how much they make, they are Illegal PERIOD. What part of Illegal do you not get. It is illegal to steal money also, but guess you are ok as long as the money I still went to the wealfare of my children?
If this socialist healthcare system was for only Americans that can prove they are here legal, sure I would live with it. In reality, it is not the case.
Are you okay with $9 billion a month being spent in Iraq? Republicans hypnotize you with outrage over government welfare spending while the big bucks flood out the back door.
Are you okay with $9 billion a month being spent in Iraq?
With the resources wasted in Iraq we could have had free health care for everyone AND free college education for everyone.
Look what we got instead - world wide disdain and thousands of deaths.
Over 100,000 deaths to be more precise...but that's only if you count those Iraqis we went there to liberate. Liberated from their earthly environment...
And just look at the NYT story the other day that puts the lie to private corporations are always more efficient than government. Apparently, a private school bussing company was scamming millions from the city and bribing safety inspectors for tips on inspections.
Oh here comes the war money again, blah blah blah, apples and oranges. Hey you know what. IF we were not forking over the bills for illegals we could do both.
Why would we want to do both? Why did we start a $9 billion a month war in the first place.
Did not say I wanted both, my point was simple which I know is hard for you to understand, but with the money our government would save by not paying the way for illegals we could have paid for both a war and full benefits for our citizens
You think healthcare is a privilege, not a right. Go away you flaming say anything hypocrite. God, you disgusting wingers have no scruples.
Even if we had airtight militarized borders with know undocumented workers here, you know you would still argue that it's up to individuals, not our government, to provide their own healthcare. Or at least it's up to them to find a job with employer based healthcare. Besides you screw headed mo-ron, removing the burden of employer health insurance would enable more entrepreneurs to take the risk and start their own business, as well as, generate more profits for companies that already provide insurance. According to your wingnut fantasy, that savings would automatically translate into more job creation in the same way that tax cuts create jobs.
You are a mess my friend and you need to pull your head out of the asses of the Republican know nothing economists. They are NOT on your side.
Mark,
Do you just type without thinking? Let say the high end of estimates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States of 20M illegals is correct. I don't see how the US pays a net $900 per month per man woman and child here. Unless they are all on welfare without working and or spending money into the economy. Illegals do put money into the system in taxes and spending. So even if they do use services they are at least partially paying for them. So once again please show me where anyone has said that illegal immigration costs the US $216,000,000,000 a year. That is insane. That is nearly half of Medicaid and all of Welfare for 2008.
H-man, you are using Wiki as a refrecne on Illegal's. Did you know that one in three illegals are on welfare? did you know that one in five federal prisions are illegal? I can put more and moe out, no matter what you say, they cost us money. They are here illegally, PERIOD
Mark,
Can you post anything without lying? Not one single number you posted is accurate.
You just lie and lie and lie and expect people here to take you seriously.
All I can say is WOW!
No he can't.
Yesterday he posted this "Hong Kong as a flat tax based on income level."
I think he's just not that bright. I mean if he thinks a "flat tax" is one where the rate at which one is taxed increase as income increases.
Benny, you are correct, they do not have a flat tax, they have a simple tax code. Feel better.
Your lack of intellectual honesty has no bearing on my well being.
However, does the stupid hurt?
Please emigrate to your dream country. Come back in a couple of years to tell what losers we are in this country.
Sorry, not lying. You are right about one thing, it is not one in five. I accept your apology,
The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."
Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Your real problem is you don't understand the differnce between legal and illegal. You say that 1 in 5 people in the federal system are illegal. Well actually you can't say that because they only keep citizenship records. There is no way for you to know how many of the 53,000 inmates are illegal.
Of course you can put more out because you show none of your stats. Show me an analysis of the number of illegals on welfare. You just make up more and more numbers. Every stat I've looked up of yours I have debunked. Until you show your work I have to assume the statistic is entirely bogus or partially bogus.
Nice way to misrepresent my point, you selfish pr!ck. Roundhouse is absolutely correct. People like you are definitely misguided and selfish. I know that some of my tax money has gone to help illegals. I'm fine with that; one or more of my fellow humans was able to get the help they needed. Country affiliation doesn't matter. But you want children to have to prove citizenship in order to receive health care. If they cannot provide that proof, you're going to turn them away? Have you no compassion?
These are children we're talking about. Who cares where they are from. Are you really going to look a child in the eyes and refuse medical help? Really? Where are your morals? Evidently you've got it backwards. You put money before people. Typical conservative.
Finally, you attribute thoughts to me that do not exist. I never said that stealing is acceptable - and I never said that it was OK to 'still' (as you put it, you illiterate punk) even if it were for the 'wealfare' of your children. You see these children who need healthcare as stealing. I see it as the U.S. government providing supplemental health care insurance to children, the overwhelming majority of which are indeed American citizens. But no, you would have all American children suffer just because you're afraid that a very small percentage of 'illegal' children would be able to take advantage of supplemental health care insurance.
Again, your priorities are screwed. And you didn't even truly respond to the meat of my post, which is, "Why is it so bad that a few illegals would take advantage of our healthcare system. The overwhelming majority of those helped under the S-CHIP plan would be, in fact, AMERICAN CHILDREN.
I think this is part of a bigger plan. Conservatives in general don't want to fund anything publicly. They call any government program they don't agree with 'socialist', but they forget that some of the best things about the United States are, indeed, socialist (Social Security, the U.S. Postal Service, Medicare, just to name just a few). Beginning with the argument of 'Oh NO, some 'brown' people from south of the border might be able to get some insurance, so this is a good reason to kill the entire plan!"
Not even close. Do you jerks even listen to yourselves?
Oh yeah, that's what I'm talkin' about.
God bless your soul and keep on livin', CSL
Thank you, Roundhouse. Same back to you.
I wanted to write more, but I know the Conservative mind just can't handle it.
These jerks drive me to drink - and I hate alcohol. Blech! :)
Over half of what jobs go to illegals per what mechanism and what proof? Good arguements are not like swiss cheese, fill in a couple of your holes.
And if you could post without giving the impression that you feel the site might infect you with a horrible skin desease if you hang arround too long. That would be good.
I'm so glad that the legislation includes citizenship verification by means of names and Social Security numbers. What about Mexicans who think it's ok to use stolen Social Security numbers? Does the legislation include funding for the development of an elixir that when added to tacos y burritos will prevent the urge to use stolen Social Security numbers?
What about non-Mexicans who steal Social Security Numbers or does your racism only extend to "Mexicans"?
Mine is for anyone here illegal.
Good to see you're comfortable with being a racist and dishonest.
That has got to be one of the most racist posts I've ever seen.
You should be ashamed of yourself. You don't deserve to call yourself an American.
Don't illegal invaders steal social security numbers anyway? I see SCHIP benefiting a lot of illegal invaders and unfortunately, there is no way this country can support them.
Are there legal invaders?
That you buy this crap is astounding. You do realize that if the extreme rightists ever succeed in their plans of creating a U.S. police state, you "legal" immigrants, in the name of purity, are the very next targets for eradication? You get that, right? You can see how it works, right?