Rove latest to advance false claim that recovery bill "funnel[s]" money to ACORN
SUMMARY: In his Wall Street Journal op-ed, Karl Rove wrote of the House-passed economic recovery bill: "And it should not shock Americans that Democratic appropriators would funnel tax dollars to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now." In fact, the recovery bill does not mention ACORN or otherwise single it out for funding; ACORN itself has said that it is ineligible for the funds and has no plans to apply for them.
In his February 5 Wall Street Journal op-ed, Fox News contributor Karl Rove wrote of the House-passed economic recovery bill: "And it should not shock Americans that Democratic appropriators would funnel tax dollars to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now [ACORN]." In fact, as Media Matters for America has documented, the recovery bill does not mention ACORN or otherwise single it out for funding; ACORN itself has said that it is ineligible for the funds and has no plans to apply for them. Rove's false claim is based on a misrepresentation of a provision that would appropriate $4.19 billion "for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008."
ACORN has denied that it is eligible for the "neighborhood stabilization funds," and has stated that it does not intend to apply for them. After House Minority Leader John Boehner's (R-OH) office issued press releases claiming that the recovery bill "makes groups like ACORN eligible for a $4.19 billion pot of money for 'neighborhood stabilization activities,' " in a January 28 press release, ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis called the claim an "obfuscation" that "was picked up across the right-wing echo chamber and has been used as a fig leaf by conservatives in their attempts to justify their opposition to progressive economic policies." Lewis further stated: "We have not received neighborhood stabilization funds, have no plans to apply for such funds, and didn't weigh in on the pending rule changes." On January 29, Lewis wrote on The Huffington Post, "[L]et's be clear. ACORN isn't getting any of this money. Since it is set aside for non-profit housing developers to help purchase, rehab, and resell foreclosed properties, we aren't eligible for it in the first place."
Media Matters has previously documented CNN's Lou Dobbs, Fox News' Steve Doocy, and conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh making the false claim that ACORN would receive billions of dollars from the stimulus bill and also noted that news reports by The Hill and the San Francisco Chronicle repeated the falsehood. Republicans and media figures previously made false claims that Democrats attempted to direct millions of dollars to ACORN in the 2008 bank bailout legislation; in fact, neither the draft proposal nor the final version of the bailout bill contained any language mentioning ACORN.
From Rove's February 5 WSJ op-ed:
There's also $4 billion for health programs like obesity control and smoking cessation, $2 billion for the National Institutes of Health, $462 million for the Centers for Disease Control, and $900 million for pandemic flu preparations. Health care also added jobs last year.
It is not surprising that the stimulus package is laden with new spending programs. Congressional appropriators, not job creators, wrote H.R. 1. Much of it is spending Democrats couldn't get approved in the normal course of affairs. And it should not shock Americans that Democratic appropriators would funnel tax dollars to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, unions and other liberal special interests. Putting budgets of political allies above the budgets of struggling families is apparently the new Democratic trickle-down economics.
Mr. Obama has only his own lack of engagement and leadership to blame. He outsourced the drafting of the bill to House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey through inaction. He refused to get his administration's hands dirty in crafting the legislation by laying out a detailed plan in December. Then saying he looked forward to Congress passing a bill for him to sign on Inauguration Day was an invitation for liberal spenders to roll him. They did.
How Dense is the typical Republican? How many times would you have to hit them over the head with a 2x4 to pound this false claim out of their heads?
Lets take a moment here and assume that this is actually a true story....
Who cares?
What would it matter?
Where do these morons think this story is going?
Why does it matter?
How do they figure this story is going to work any more than all the other BS they spew on a daily basis?
Besides... shouldn't the CrapBloosom be sitting before some Congressional committee and not appearing on TV or writing garbage for newsprint...
Captfoster, this story, like so many others "has legs" because this is the very tool the Republicans always count on. It doesn't MATTER if the story is "true". What has truth got to do with it? If anyone understands the "base". it's Rove. The engine that runs the Republican machine is just this kind of falsehood. The only way any party acquires and maintains control is by manipulation of ideas. Rove and his mob have not conceded defeat. The election? Just a bump in the road.
Shouldn't Karl Rove be in jail by now?
Yes. No question.
There is testimony -- from a Republican -- that Rove personally intervened to get the U.S. Justice Department to pursue former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman, who was indicted and convicted for a non-crime (there was witness tampering and no personal financial game was even alleged); received a seven-year prison sentence (in a state where a previous governor who was convicted of personal gain received only 1,000 hours of community service); was handcuffed, shackled and dragged off to jail immediately -- in front of his family and TV cameras -- given no time to get his things in order; was sent to a maximum security prison (no daylight, no exercise, food through a slot in the door); and was moved four times in nine months to different states -- all the while, his family not once knowing where he was at any given moment.
Welcome to Karl Rove's America. (Thanks a bunch, George W.) And all of this happened to a former governor!
I'm sure that there are things wrong with the Stimulus Bill, but there must not be much, since the Republicans feel it necessary to blatantly and repeatedly lie about it.
This man is ignoring a subpoena for him that was issued by the Chairman of the Judiciary Committe of the United States House of Representatives. He has been ignored many other subpoenas that were issued for him since 2007. Harriet Meiers and Josh Bolten have also been doing this. Rove, Meiers, and Bolten are using a fradulent claim of Executive Privilege. There is no basis for this claim and they know it. It was made up by Harry Truman's attorney, and that man now says he regrets using that tactic back then.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
The House stimulus bill funnels money to non-profit entities. ACORN has already availed itself to over #1 million tax dollars these past few years. While they may say they may not take the money, it is laughable to think they, or one of their subsidiaries, would forego the chance at those billions...
“For a further additional amount for ‘Community Development Fund,’ $4,190,000,000, to be used for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 (Public Law 110–289), of which—
“(1) not less than $3,440,000,000 shall be allocated by a competition for which eligible entities shall be States, units of general local government, and nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities[.]”
“(2) up to $750,000,000 shall be awarded by competition to nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities to provide community stabilization assistance […]”
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/26/acorn-watch-left-wing-fraudsters-could-get-billions-in-stimulus-money/
OMG, you just lined to Michelle Malkin to try to make your point?? LOL! So why single out ACORN then, insinuating that is what the provision is for? Why not mention 1 of the thousands of other non-profits?
Oh, that's easy. Because Malkin and Dobbs are the ones FEAR MONGERING.
Malkin, Dobbs, Limbaugh, Beck, Rove ... do any of these people have any credibility?
Nobody said the other non-profits won't also profit.
Why would you think mentioning ACORN is fear mongering? Could it be the fact that they are baltantly partisan toward the Democratic Party? Is a radical leftist group who use tactics by a man who preached revolution and dedicated one of his books to Satan. Or that it has a history of engaging in voter fraud, corporate shakedowns, partisan bullying, and pro-illegal immigration lobbying.
Would highlighting those facts, and that our tax money funds this organization that make you think it is fear mongering?
No. You can't see that it and like style organizations are partly responsible for the subprime housing mess either. Let's just ignore the fine print in the stimulus plan and give away millions and billions so we can make more people dependent on the government and quasi-political groups like this.
AA,
Do you have some proof that ACORN has engaged in any of those activities?
I've posted it before. It is common knowledge. Look up Sol Alinsky and see below.
It's not common knowledge. It's called smears. That's why you can't find credible evidence to back it up.
ACORN has never received any federal funding.
You need to retire that talking point there AA. It's just not true.
Mags,
Speaking of retirement, where have you been?
Thursday, October 16, 2008 Boehner: ACORN Recieved $31 Million in Federal Funding Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 4:33 PMHouse Minority Leader John Boehner (R.-Ohio) released information showing ACORN has received at least $31 million in federal funding since 1998 hours after the FBI announced they were launching a nationwide investigation against the non-profit.
http://townhall.com/blog/g/7eed7282-fdf0-4fa6-bdea-a8723b3f1aa9“ACORN’s free ride on the backs of taxpayers must end immediately," a statement from Boehner's office said. "An initial review of federal records shows ACORN affiliates have received at least $31 million in direct federal funding from American taxpayers over the past 10 years, and millions more indirectly through state and local agencies that receive federal block grants. House Republicans worked together to stop the Majority from using taxpayer dollars to fill a slush fund created just for ACORN, but now we must go further to turn off the spigot of federal grants on which ACORN depends"
Using Federal Register records the GOP found ACORN secured the $31 million to fund affiliates in 11 different states through 54 individual federal grants.
OK, Barn, I know nobody's going to stop you from buying another pair of rocket skates from the ACME co., but the Good Samaritan in me just has to try to help you.
For starters, you're still going to Townhall, where your ridiculous Michelle Malkin stuff comes from. Does it ever occur to you that going to the same rancid well is only going to give you the same product that is laughed off of this site on a regular basis?
This is an opinion of John Boner, one of the most deranged and dishonest politicians in America. I realize that deranged and dishonest may not be considered negative personality traits to somebody with your questionable morals, but it's a problem for normal people.
I'm going to highlight and italicize the part that wa sslipped right by your bowling-ball-like skull. See if you can spot exactly where you were suckered this time (note: this is even conceding that Boner has anything to back up his claims, which is doubtful. I just feel better spotting you a couple of points)
ACORN affiliates have received at least $31 million in direct federal funding from American taxpayers over the past 10 years
A person with a basic level of scepticism or critical thinking skills would ask themselves a question at that point. Good luck.
I guess it would be equally honest for us to say that the Republicans are insisting on billions in tax cuts for businesses like Hustler of Hollywood.
If not, why not?
AA,
Do you know what ACORN does?
Ooh ooh! Can I answer! They're....involved in...systematic VOTER FRAUD!!!!!
Wait - no wait....they force banks to grant mortgages to poor people who use the money to buy big screen tv's and take vacations and then they default which is the root cause of our economic crisis.
How'd I do, AA?
I can do better. ACORN is a radical liberal extremist group which wants to commit widespread voter fraud. They want to turn America into a subsidiary of the Democratic Party and the ACLU. They want to round up and jail all conservative talk-radio hosts as well as anyone who works for the FOX NEWS CHANNEL or writes and editorial for the Wall Street Journal. They want America to become a welfare state and want unlimited amounts of brown people to flood American cities and become the majority. They need to be stopped immediately and all red-blooded Americans must take to the streets and demand that these people be sent to Guantanamo immediately.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
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Here are a few ACORN ‘fearmongering’ facts. J
In late May of 2008, the brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke had stolen nearly $1 million from the organization and its affiliates eight years ago.
NYP - THE seeds of today's financial meltdown lie in the Commu nity Reinvestment Act - a law passed in 1977 and made riskier by unwise amendments and regulatory rulings in later decades.
CRA was meant to encourage banks to make loans to high-risk borrowers, often minorities living in unstable neighborhoods. That has provided an opening to radical groups like ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to abuse the law by forcing banks to make hundreds of millions of dollars in "subprime" loans to often uncreditworthy poor and minority customers.
Any bank that wants to expand or merge with another has to show it has complied with CRA - and approval can be held up by complaints filed by groups like ACORN.
In fact, intimidation tactics, public charges of racism and threats to use CRA to block business expansion have enabled ACORN to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and contributions from America's financial institutions.
…Long the director of Chicago ACORN, Talbott is a specialist in "direct action" - organizers' term for their militant tactics of intimidation and disruption. Perhaps her most famous stunt was leading a group of ACORN protesters breaking into a meeting of the Chicago City Council to push for a "living wage" law, shouting in defiance as she was arrested for mob action and disorderly conduct. But her real legacy may be her drive to push banks into making risky mortgage loans.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0
Conduct by ACORN in Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin are also under investigation.
October 20, 2008 · The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also known as ACORN, is under investigation by the FBI for allegations of submitting false voter registration forms.
A voter registration worker with the group ACORN has been indicted on two felony counts of voter registration fraud.
Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, in 2006
.WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.
PA 2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
More on ACORN
ACORN says it is a community group, but it is really a multi-million-dollar, multinational conglomerate. Its political agenda is driven by a relative handful of anti-corporate activists. ACORN spends millions of dollars to promote economic policies (like raising the minimum wage), but has admitted that it doesn't always want to abide by them. ACORN advocates for workers' rights and runs two unions, but has in the past fought its own employees' efforts to form a union.
ACORN's history makes for pretty interesting reading. The Clinton Administration found that ACORN was misspending government grants designed to help counsel the poor. Although it seeks minimum wage increases in cities and states across the country -- ACORN sued the state of California to get out of paying its own employees the state minimum wage.
ACORN's practices have corrupted our political process as well. It has engaged in questionable election activities for years—stretching back even to the organization's founding years in Arkansas. In recent years, as its political power has increased, so have instances of fraud.
In the past few years, it has been investigated for election fraud in at least a dozen states. Want examples?
In Florida, ACORN employees filed a false voter registration form for 68-year-old former St. Petersburg Democratic mayor Charles Schuh – amazingly, they registered him as a 30-year-old Republican woman. In Ohio, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group. In Colorado, two ex-ACORN employees were convicted of turning in false registrations. The list goes on.
Just last year, in an effort to put a wage initiative on the ballot in Albuquerque, New Mexico, ACORN employee's forged thousands of fraudulent signatures. The group is involved in initiative efforts in a half-dozen states this year. How many thousands of signatures will they forge to forward their agenda?
http://www.rottenacorn.com/
AA,
So you have no proof. Widespread Voter Fraud is a few people pleading guilty Voter Registration Fraud. Those are two different things you know.
Nothing else you stated in those long, overblown, inaccurate, misleading and undocumented posts is proof.
Please stop making a complete fool of yourself.
I often wonder why you come here. You never make sense, you have to lie to try to make your points and you are continually debunked.
What could possibly be your motivation?
But one last question, if they are engaging in Voter Registrations, how are they getting money from the Bill that is specifically for fixing up Foreclosed and abandoned homes?
I should also note that the workers that plead guilty were turned over to the authorities by ACORN and the evidence against them was provided by ACORN, because they were trying to defraud ACORN!
How do you explain conduct by ACORN in Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin where ACORN workers and ACORN itself are also under investigation?
Well, since all you do is list a bunch of states and never give even a hint as to what sort of "conduct" you mean, there is no answer to your obtuse question.
It's simply masochism at its basest.
I should know better,
Sometimes I forget how willfully ignorant and decietful people can be and I try to point out where they are going wrong.
But AA is probably the worst.
It seems like everyone else here has the self control to ignore his blatant stupidity and denial of facts, I have a hard time doing that though. I need to work on it.
skeptical,
Your projection is amazing. You have not provided any facts that you have backed up but simply continue to deny the issues and facts I bring up about ACORN while spouting your opinion.
Let me remind you, your opinion is only that. You state it like it is fact when it is not.
I am always happy to discuss the issues and I don't care if you disagree or like me. By simply retorting with name-calling is in my mind, very weak and juvenile. I'd think you could do better than that.
As is your ignorance and propensity to lie.
more...
In 2003, the National Labor Relations Board would find that ACORN management was guilty of using union-busting tactics against its employees.
...Between 1997 and 2003, the
Mutual Housing Association of
New York paid more than $2.1
million in contractual fees to
the New York ACORN Housing
Association.15
• Mott Haven ACORN Housing
Development Fund Corporation
paid more than $233,360 in
contractual fees to the New York
ACORN Housing Company.
At the same time, Mott Haven
owed as much as $435,000 to the
Mutual Housing Association of
New York.16
• The Association for Rights of
Citizens, which carries Rathke
brother Wade and relative Cornelia
Rathke on its board of directors,
has loaned tens of thousands of
dollars to Rathke’s SEIU Local
100, ACORN’s Missouri Tax
Justice Research Project, and
ACORN, and has made grants
totalling tens of thousands of
dollars to ACORN.
• ACORN’s Agape Broadcasting Foundation
showed notes and loans receivable of more
than $100,000 from other ACORN-affiliate
entities.17 ACORN’S Affiliated Media
Foundation Movement showed notes and
loans receivable of nearly $250,000 from
other ACORN entities, while also showing
notes and loans payable of more than $1.1
million to ACORN and its Institute for
Social Justice.18
• Tax forms show that since 1997, the
ACORN Housing Corporation has paid
more than $5,100,000 in fees or grants to
other ACORN entities.19
see: http://www.rottenacorn.com/downloads/060728_badSeed.pdf
You still have no Proof, so stop linking to that foolish lying website.
Provide one single link to a mainstream news source that says anything remotely resembling the garbage that you have posted!
The above is directed at AA, not me! Sorry for the confusion AA.
I provided my sources. If you don't like it, I don't care. The burden is on you to provide any evidence that disproves any of it. BTW, there are links but you'll have to go find them yourself. I listed the NYP among others and you can check any number of websites. Just google "acorn voter fraud".
As I said earlier, the mainstream press has given Obama and by extension his relationship with Acorn, and Acorn itself a pass just like they did with Ayers, Rezko, and Wright. If ever there was an organization that needed more investigation, this is one.
The New York Post doesn't say anything that you have posted. You linked to an OpEd piece. That's not news.
It's not that I don't like your sources, it's that your sources are well known liars.
Also, it's not up to me to prove you wrong, it's up to you to back up your lies.
So, stop posting obvious crap.
You asked for a mainstream source. Don't cry because I gave it to you.
You are the one now squirming to change the issue and deflecting by name calling.
It doesn't matter. Enjoy your kool aid.
Just for kicks, I googled "abc news acorn voter fraud". Here is the first one that popped up.
Officials: FBI Investigates ACORN for Voter Fraud
Officials say activist group ACORN under FBI scrutiny for possible voter registration fraud
By LARA JAKES JORDAN Associated Press WriterWASHINGTON October 16, 2008 (AP)
The FBI is investigating whether the community activist group ACORN helped foster voter registration fraud around the nation before the presidential election. A senior law enforcement official confirmed the investigation to The Associated Press on Thursday.
A second senior law enforcement official says the FBI was looking at results of recent raids on ACORN offices in several states for any evidence of a coordinated national scam.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=6049549
And what was the result of the investigation?
Nothing...
It is still under investigation.
As I said earlier, the mainstream press has given Obama and by extension his relationship with Acorn, and Acorn itself a pass just like they did with Ayers, Rezko, and Wright. If ever there was an organization that needed more investigation, this is one.
AA, 24/7 coverage of Rev. Wright for well over 3 weeks and you have the freaking nerve to whine they gave Obama a pass on Wright?
You're a nut!
Seriously, I know you don't respond to folks who call you names, but for anyone to call the Rev. Wright episode a pass is insane.
The Bush/Gonzales Justice Department, failed to leaked SOMETHING about a Obama/Rezko/Ayers connection?
Again, crazy!
Republicans want to win ANY and EVERY election, so if there was ANYTHING to Rezko or Ayers, do you honestly think Republicans wouldn't have used it against Obama?
It impossible to even pretend you're engaging in any serious debate when you live in la-la land.
And citing anything out of Michelle Malkin's mouth a creditable source just confirms your insanity!
Pearlene
I didn't say the Republicans gave Wright a pass, (but McCain did). I said the press gave Obama a pass on Wright. Which it did.
You don't have to like Malkin. Just prove where she is wrong before lapsing into typical liberal name calling when confronted with unpleasant facts or dissenting opinion.
I didn't say the Republicans gave Wright a pass, (but McCain did). I said the press gave Obama a pass on Wright. Which it did.
AA, I didn't say republicans, nor did I read that you said Republicans.
Let us settle on "the media", which once again covered the Rev. Wright issue from to bottom, side to side and all that was in between.
They, the media, DID NOT give Rev. Wright a pass!
Now it’s been quantified. If you thought the news media had been giving lopsided coverage to the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., Senator Barack Obama’s former pastor, you would be correct.
Mr. Wright even got more exposure than Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Mr. Wright dominated 42 percent of political stories last week, from April 28 to May 4, according to a survey by the Project for Excellence in Journalism, which uses empirical methods to analyze news coverage.
The dominance of Mr. Wright swelled the overall coverage of Mr. Obama, who denounced the pastor last week, to 69 percent of all political stories.
This focus left Senator John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee, on the sidelines, with a significant presence in just 14 percent of stories.
http://www.journalism.org/node/10928
You don't have to like Malkin. Just prove where she is wrong before lapsing into typical liberal name calling when confronted with unpleasant facts or dissenting opinion.
I always "consider the source" when reading anything, so I'm sure you understand that I NEVER believe a word from Malkins mouth!
Malkin belongs in the same category with Limbo, Hannity and the other rabid right wing nuts who can't find the truth if it bit them on their happy butts!
So what you are really saying here is that you don't have one ounce of proof that ACORN is going to get any funds from the stimulus bill. In fact, isn't ACORN ineligible to get such funds? If so, aren't you simply helping to perpetuate a lie?
Like I said earlier, nobody has gotten any money yet. ACORN and/or one of it's many subsidiaries are eligible if you look at nonprofit "community stabilization" organizations that are in the House bill.
No lie. Just facts.
On Thursday, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, issued a statement referring to ACORN as a “pet project” of Democrats. He described the funding as “assistance for ‘nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities’ including ACORN, which is currently under criminal investigation.”
As Newsmax reported Tuesday, most of the stimulus money available to ACORN – the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- is under the category of “Neighborhood Stabilization Programs.”
The bill permits ACORN to compete with cities and states for stabilization grants worth $3.44 billion. The funds are intended to be used to refurbish foreclosed, vacant homes, in order to reduce neighborhood blight and increase affordable housing.
The funds would be distributed by the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s Neighborhood Stabilization Program.
In addition, $750 million of the stimulus would be exclusively reserved for nonprofits such as ACORN. Cities, counties, and states could not compete for that money. And another $1 billion would come in the form of Community Development Block Grants, which ACORN is adept at obtaining.
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/acorn_stimulus_funding/2009/01/29/176558.html
Wow...great sources. A Republican hack in the Senate. I wonder what his opinion would be.
Go post that crap on freerepublic.com. They don't care about truth and credible sources over there. Here, you won't get away with it.
OGB,
Get away with it? That is rich! Just prove those facts are in error.
Name calling and burying your head in the sand really is not an effective retort.
No. It is up to you to prove your allegations. No one here has to do a thing to prove you wrong. Until you make a claim that is actually backed up by fact, there is nothing to disprove except a post made by a known liar, and, given your history, is presumed false until proven accurate.
achrispage6992 AA is nothing more than a FAR RIGHT WING GASBAG in the mold of LIMBAUGH,HANNITY ect. For all we know he could be one of them. He has swallowed that whole RIGHT WING garbage hook, line and sinker.
Go ahead and attack the messenger when you cannot defend the indefensible. I do not care.
Neon had an excellent topic idea earlier: quilting ;-)
From the nature of the things you defend I get the feeling that you have no idea what the word "indefensible" means.
Go ahead and attack the messenger
When the messenger is Newsmax, then any and all attacks are justified.
AA ,It is YOU who cannot defend the indefensible.It is YOUR hero, BOY GEORGE and his NEOCONSERVATIVE POLOCIES that got us into the mess we are in now and now it is OBAMA that is going to have clean it up. I know you dont want to believe this but it is true
All his energy, to bad it can't find something to useful to build or some socially enrichenning thing.
hurricane,
Nice rant. However I've never said Bush was my hero. I had plenty of disagreements with him too. You are entitled to your opinion about the mess we are in and yes, everyone knows Obama is now the President. Like you, I'm all for cleaning up the 'mess'. I simply disagree with Obama as to how to go about doing it. The stimulus bill crafted by the Democrats in the House which is filled with billions of dollars of pork is laughable.
So what is it that I don't want to believe?
Go ahead and spew lies when you cannot defend your posts. I do not care, either.
see: http://www.rottenacorn.com/downloads/060728_badSeed.pdf (AA)
OK, Barn, this shows you can do it. Just a link to your Kool-Aid dispensing nutjob sites, not a copy & paste of eight paragraphs. Sane people get a sore scrolling finger wading past your stuff to the actual topic.
I've only flagged one post at this site, ever, and that was for one of your fellow republitrolls posting under other peoples' names. If you can't show a little discipline with the plagiarism, I will flag your nonsense. Just a link, that's enough.
As I look back over this thread so far nobody has offered anything to disprove any of the points I made about ACORN nor disproved any of the links I provided. All I see most of you doing is simply resorting to sophomoric name calling. Not very effective rebuttals if you ask me.
AA All you have been doing is spewing out the same old, tired, FAR RIGHT WING GARBAGE that the REPUBLICANS have been feeding us for years,the same polocies championed by HERBERT HOOVER. You know where that got us,don't you? I used to believe those RIGHT WING points until I saw the light and realized what a bunch of liars they really are.
hurricane,
What exactly are the policies you think Hoover espoused that you think are still being offered by the Republicans? Since it has been 80 years, lots has happened. Which policies championed by Hoover got us where?
AA The mindset under HOOVER and the REPUBLICANS of that time was "LASSEZ FAIRE" ,leave business alone, no regulations, no GOVT intervention in the markets. That mindset got us into trouble in the 1930'san it took GOVT intervention and spending during the NEW DEAL AND WW2 to recover. That same mindset, ''limited GOVT', "free market solutions'', and 'DEREGULATION'' pushed by the REPUBLICANS of the last generation, particularly the last 8 years, have got us into the trouble we are in now . I believe it will take masive GOVT intervention and spending to recover this time. Does that clarify things for you?
Nobody has disproved any of your points because you haven't made any points. You continue to copy & paste the opinions of those as easily confused as you, or those who are gainfully employed confusing meatheads like you.
OK, Googleboy, you seem pretty excited about finding your little rottenacorn.com site, but where you failed is in doing (as usual) any research into whose info you were relying on to make your imagined "points".
I'd suggest you read up a bit on Richard Berman.
This ought to get me back on your ignore list for a while ! ;0)
Barney, your sources just keep getting sadder. You're now using a site funded by a wealthy lobbyist to keep wages low. Great company you keep, Anti-American douchebag.
Does the Wall Street Journal have an editor or are op-ed pieces not reviewed by an editor for factual inaccuracies?
The Wall Street Journal Editorial board has had some issues with the truth over the years. Now that extends to the whole paper obviously, since Rupert Murdoch bought it and it's sibling is the FOX NEWS CHANNEL. This was the same editorial board that accused sitting President Bill Clinton of being involved in the death of two teenagers by the railroad tracks in Arkansas.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
nj,
Do you have a link where the WSJ said BC was involved in those teen's death?
Thanks!
Go Google a wingnut site. You're good at that.
IRONY, Since MURDOC bought WSJ, I wouldent believe ANYTHING from their op-ed page.
Rove's actual words:
"it should not shock Americans that Democratic appropriators would funnel tax dollars to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now"
Not spoken, not an off the cuff remark, a thought out and prepared written statement presented to the WSJ for publication. He didn't say that ACORN would be eligible for funds if they applied or that they could potentially receive tax moneys under the bill. He said that the bill "would funnel tax dollars to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now".
How is that not blatant lying?
Rove is a professional liar and a damn good one. It's easier to try and spot when he doesn't lie then to catalog the times when he does.
He didn't even say that. He said it wouldn't be shocking if they did. That's a double conditional, no truth or fact involved.
This A--hole needs to find himself a good lawyer! Why do we even give anything he says any kind of a response....He is soooo yesterdy!
How come the republicans have such awesome propaganda machines? I hate the lies and BS they make up. The crap they shout all day long makes me sick yet, I am totally amazed at how efficient they are, working in lock step to twist the truth every day. They must win at all cost and have no issue with lying. What type of person is willing to go along with dishonest groupthink?