MSNBC's Shuster invited "Muckraker of the Day" Deroy Murdock to muck up global warming debate
SUMMARY: MSNBC's David Shuster allowed columnist Deroy Murdock to repeat the claim -- first made by climate change skeptic Martin Hertzberg -- that global warming is not occurring because "the Earth temperature has gone down 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit since 1997." Rather than challenge that claim, Shuster named Murdock "our Muckraker of the Day" and "congratulat[ed]" Murdock for "stirring the pot." But climate scientists warn against cherry-picking yearly temperature averages as purported evidence that global warming is not occurring, especially from years in which El Niño and La Niña events occurred, as Murdock and Hertzberg did.
On the February 2 edition of MSBNC's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, anchor David Shuster let syndicated columnist Deroy Murdock tout climate change skeptic Martin Hertzberg's assertion that global warming is not occurring because, in Murdock's words, "the Earth temperature has gone down 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit since 1997." Murdock was referencing the following quote from Hertzberg that Murdock included in a February 1 column: "[T]he average temperature of Earth's atmosphere has declined over the last 10 years. From the El Nino Year of 1998 until Jan. 2007, it dropped a quarter of a degree Celsius (0.45 degrees Fahrenheit). From Jan 2007 to the spring of 2008, it dropped a whopping three-quarters of a degree Celsius (1.35 degrees Fahrenheit)." Rather than challenge this use of data, Shuster named Murdock "our Muckraker of the Day" and "congratulat[ed]" Murdock for "stirring the pot."
However, climate scientists warn against cherry-picking yearly temperature averages as purported evidence that global warming is not occurring, as Hertzberg -- and Murdock -- did by comparing the average temperature in 1998 to the average temperature in 2007 and 2008. For instance, Gavin Schmidt, a climate modeler at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, recently stated that while 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, "such variability is ... predicted by climate models" and is not evidence that global warming has "stopped." Scientists such as Schmidt and Climatic Research Unit (CRU) professor Phil Jones have also pointed out that warming caused by an El Niño event and cooling caused by a La Niña event can have a drastic impact on year-to-year variability in global average temperatures, making Hertzberg's comparison of "the El Nino Year of 1998" -- the hottest year on record according to CRU and the Met Office Hadley Centre -- to the period spanning from January 2007 to "the spring of 2008" -- when a significant La Niña was occurring -- especially misleading.
In a December 16, 2008, post on RealClimate.org, Schmidt wrote of the release of 2008 global temperature data: "The great thing about complex data is that one can basically come up with any number of headlines describing it -- all of which can be literally true -- but that give very different impressions. Thus we are sure that you will soon read that 2008 was warmer than any year in the 20th Century (with the exception of 1998), that is was the coolest year this century (starting from 2001), and that 7 or 8 of the 9 warmest years have occurred since 2000. There will undoubtedly also be a number of claims made that aren't true; 2008 is not the coolest year this decade (that was 2000), global warming hasn't 'stopped', CO2 continues to be a greenhouse gas, and such variability is indeed predicted by climate models." He also wrote of "the release of the 'meteorological year' averages for the surface temperature records (GISTEMP, HadCRU, NCDC)":
This puts 2008 at #9 (or #8) in the yearly rankings, but given the uncertainty in the estimates, the real ranking could be anywhere between #6 or #15. More robustly, the most recent 5-year averages are all significantly higher than any in the last century. The last decade is by far the warmest decade globally in the record. These big picture conclusions are the same if you look at any of the data sets, though the actual numbers are slightly different (relating principally to the data extrapolation - particularly in the Arctic).
So what to make of the latest year's data? First off, we expect that there will be oscillations in the global mean temperature. No climate model has ever shown a year-on-year increase in temperatures because of the currently expected amount of global warming. A big factor in those oscillations is ENSO - whether there is a warm El Niño event, or a cool La Niña event makes an appreciable difference in the global mean anomalies - about 0.1 to 0.2ºC for significant events. There was a significant La Niña at the beginning of this year (and that is fully included in the D-N annual mean), and that undoubtedly played a role in this year's relative coolness. It's worth pointing out that 2000 also had a similarly sized La Niña but was notably cooler than this last year.
Schmidt added that "[p]icking any single year as a starting point is somewhat subjective and causes the visual aspect to vary - looking at the trends is more robust."
In a December 16, 2008, press release, the United Kingdom Met (Meteorological) Office Hadley Centre and the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia -- which produce the HadCRU data -- also attributed the "slightly down" global average temperature for 2008, in part, to La Niña, and quoted Jones as saying: "The most important component of year-to-year variability in global average temperatures is the phase and amplitude of equatorial sea-surface temperatures in the Pacific that lead to La Niña and El Niño events." From the press release:
Climate scientists at the Met Office Hadley Centre and the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at University of East Anglia maintain the global climate record for the WMO. They say this figure is slightly down on earlier years this century partly because of the La Niña that developed in the Pacific Ocean during 2007.
La Niña events typically coincide with cooler global temperatures, and 2008 is slightly cooler than the norm under current climate conditions. Professor Phil Jones at the CRU said: "The most important component of year-to-year variability in global average temperatures is the phase and amplitude of equatorial sea-surface temperatures in the Pacific that lead to La Niña and El Niño events".
The ten warmest years on record have occurred since 1997. Global temperatures for 2000-2008 now stand almost 0.2 °C warmer than the average for the decade 1990-1999.
Dr Peter Stott of the Met Office says our actions are making the difference: "Human influence, particularly emission of greenhouse gases, has greatly increased the chance of having such warm years. Comparing observations with the expected response to man-made and natural drivers of climate change it is shown that global temperature is now over 0.7 °C warmer than if humans were not altering the climate."
According to the Goddard Institute, "a strong La Niña ... existed in the first half of the year [2008]." According to a November 21, 2008, "WMO El Niño/La Niña Update" by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), "Historically, the normal period for development of El Niño or La Niña is March-May."
Schmidt and the Hadley Centre/CRU each also pointed to the broader warming trend when comparing the past decade to previous decades. Michel Jarraud, secretary general of the WMO, was similarly quoted in a January 7 Agence France-Presse article as saying that despite cooler temperatures in recent months, "The major trend is unmistakably one of warming."
Indeed, according to the annual mean global temperature data jointly produced by the Met Office Hadley Centre and CRU, while no recent year has surpassed the average global temperature in 1998, the next 11 warmest years on record have all also occurred since 1995, demonstrating a broader warming trend:

Similarly, another widely used data set, the 2008 GISS Surface Temperature Analysis issued by NASA's Goddard Institute, estimates that "2008 is the ninth warmest year in the period of instrumental measurements, which extends back to 1880 (left panel of Fig. 1). The ten warmest years all occur within the 12-year period 1997-2008. The two-standard-deviation (95% confidence) uncertainty in comparing recent years is estimated as 0.05°C [ref. 2], so we can only conclude with confidence that 2008 was somewhere within the range from 7th to 10th warmest year in the record."
Shuster also allowed Murdock to cite unusual snowfall as evidence that the "Earth is not cooperating with people on the left who push this stuff." As Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented, climate scientists -- including at least one who has disputed aspects of the scientific consensus on global warming -- completely reject the notion that short-term changes in weather, let alone individual storms, bear any relevance to the global warming debate.
From the February 2 edition of MSNBC's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue:
SHUSTER: Welcome back to 1600. Here in the Northeast, we're experiencing a beautiful 50-degree February day, but across the pond, Londoners are under four inches of snow -- the heaviest snowfall in almost two decades. To the south, Paris, Spain, and even Morocco are getting unusual amounts of the white stuff. So where's the global warming? That question's now being asked in unusual circles, progressive and scientific ones.
In an op-ed published across the country last week, columnist Deroy Murdock writes: "So-called global warming has shrunk from problem to punch line. And now Leftists are laughing, too. ... As Earth faces global cooling, both troglodyte Right-wingers and lachrymose Left-wingers find Albert Gore's simmering-planet hypothesis increasingly hilarious."
Deroy Murdock is a columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He's definitely stirring the pot with this piece, and he is our Muckraker of the Day. Deroy, who are the lefties who don't agree with global warming anymore?
MURDOCK: David, there have been a number of people, both scientists and commentators, who have come out and denounced this notion. And they're very clear in saying that they are not people on the right, but people on the left. For example, you have a man named Harold Ambler who writes for HuffingtonPost.com, and he said he voted for Barack Obama for a thousand times a thousand reasons. And, nonetheless, he says that he believes that Al Gore should apologize for what he's done on global warming. He also believes that Al Gore's comment that the science is in, that the debate is over -- he describes that as the biggest whopper ever sold to the public in the history of mankind.
Then you have another man named Martin Hertzberg -- he's a professor, a former Navy meteorologist, he has a Ph.D. -- a very serious scientist. He calls himself a lifelong liberal Democrat. He does not believe in global warming, and he says that this is -- that the Earth's temperature has gone down 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit since 1997. He says that we're cooling at the moment; we're not warming. And there are number of others, including a former Socialist minister in France -- former minister of education, member of the Socialist Party. He's a geophysicist, and he says the Earth is not warming, and the only warming is going on is really in the bank accounts of people on the left who push this, and he believes this is being done essentially as a way --
SHUSTER: Deroy, what about --
MURDOCK: -- of making money.
SHUSTER: What about the argument, though, that global warming -- it's going to be -- the signs are not that the entire planet is going to get warmer, but that weather patterns are going to change. Some places will get cooler, some will get warmer -- particularly like the polar icecaps, where the evidence is clear that the icecaps are melting, right?
MURDOCK: Well, actually, the polar icecap in the north grew last year by approximately the size of Texas. So, what you're seeing is -- despite the claims that the poles are melting -- you're actually seeing that the evidence is that the North Pole is actually bigger than it was back in August 2007 -- grew, again, about the size of Texas. So, the slogans of global warming are fascinating.
It's interesting to hear Al Gore's speeches. Unfortunately, the weather is not cooperating; the climate is not cooperating. You're seeing snow in the United Arab Emirates, you saw snow in Malibu, snow in Las Vegas, snow in New Orleans, for God's sake. You actually had snow falling on the street cars on Canal Street in New Orleans. So, unfortunately, the Earth is not cooperating with people on the left who push this stuff.
SHUSTER: Well, Deroy, it's a great --
MURDOCK: And now people on the left are disagreeing with it and pointing out that there is no evidence to this theory.
SHUSTER: It's a great piece, Deroy. And even though a lot of people disagree with you, you've done enough reporting on this and stirring the pot to be our Muckraker of the Day. Congratulations, we appreciate you coming on tonight.
















Joe Kennedy once said something about an organization called the Muckraker's Club or something like that, where he said something to the effect "you should change one of the letters in that name to an F" or something like that.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
Looks like there is a lot of Muck, but unfortunately it's being supplied by Deroy, and he's raking it everywhere.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
I had to put on a sweater today, so obviously "global warming" is a hoax.
Dang...I thought muck rakers were people who exposed corruption and told the truth. This seems to be a serious setback to muckrakery.
Neon, I'm wearing a sweatshirt and jacket in my house. That's cause we heat with wood, and I haven't made a fire yet. But rest assured, someone will claim that because it's cold in the winter time, global warming must be a hoax.
It's so cold here today it must mean a new ice age is coming.
What other explanation could there be?
Apparently, "muck" is just facts that the average citizen doesn't understand. Therefore stirring it up, or "raking" it, is something for which the 24/7 news outlets will loudly applaud, as it saves them from having to do actual research.
Muckrakery has been commandeered by an ignorant populace who can take about 3 minutes of factual discussion.
Hmm...I thought muckrakers exposed corruption and told the truth. This seems to be changing the definition of muckrakery to fakery.
no stirring of the global warming pot allowed. anyone who dares challenge it in anyway just mucks up the collective intolerant liberal mindset.
Intolerant literal mindset describes right winger pretty well. Especially those who think tolerance includes swallowing sewage. The "point" the faux muckraker made has been thoroughly debunked. It's expired, deceased, it is no more.
The righties will continue to play "Weekend at Bernies" with their rhetoric until it fails to serve them, Mary. Sad to say, right-wing misinformation will never "shuffle off it's mortal coil, run down the curtain, and join the bleedin' choir invisible"...
Stirring the pot must be similar to raking the muck, at leat according to the new definitions. I think they've got these confused with spreading sh*t on the walls.
and Murdock is an anagram for muck rod.
More like "Weekend at Bernies 2"
It is a dead parrot!
:)
James, James, James - it's not that we don't mind scientists debating data, it's all about idiots with no background acting like scientists. If you think that's acceptable, why don't you go put on a cop uniform and pull someone over for speeding? Tell me how that works out for you.
Snoopy, I think you just made a reference to Al Gore. ...idiots with no background acting like scientists......
That would be funny if there was a real point to it. Gore has been studying this issue a bit longer than you.
Al has been a politician for as long as anyone can remember and I have been involved in the sciences for all of my life (54+ years). Al's motives are purely political and mine are scientific. Al and the media may be able to hornswaggle you and your ilk, but not me. You can believe what others tell you, mary, but I choose to believe what I have lived and learned. Crack a book, other than "people" magazine, listen closely to the opposition and verify historical references that tend to mediate this issue. You'd be surprised at the data that contradicts Al. Al has been studying this issue for less than a decade and has no scientific background. Producing a ho-hum docudrama does not make him an expert in anything. Winning a Nobel Peace "prize" puts him in the same catagory as Yassir Arafat as a "peace" propogator. Nice company, huh?
Are you actually proud of being ignorant?
You forgot to mention raising taxes... James' taxes, in particular. ;>)
Don't forget they want to institute the fairness doctrine and close down talk radio.
Science is just one way to describe reality. Other ways are just as valid and should be permitted under freedom of speech. Right On!
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I am not a scientist and I don't want to play one, but I want to put this talk of climate change, global warming and cooling into some perspective. I enjoy learning about history well before my life time. Please consider the following.
History should help us predict the present, as well as the future, of climate change, global warming and cooling.
Assuming the earth is around 4.5 billion years old; it has been through many climate changes. There is evidence of numerous configurations of land masses, which contributed to climate change. The closest star, our sun, has not remained stable throughout its life. Evidence has shown the sun has had cooling and warming cycles contributing to climate change. We know there have been minor and major ice ages in recent past and far beyond recent. These ice ages were reversed by warming periods. We, as the human race, were not around during a vast majority of these warming and cooling periods.
The movements of land masses, which continue today and will many years into the future, have produced not only earthquakes, but also volcanic activity. The latter spews massive amounts of gases, including water vapor, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride and many other not so friendly gases. Also ash is injected into the stratosphere to heights of 10-20 miles above the Earth's surface. Some of this ash can remain in the stratosphere for months blocking sunlight from reaching us. These eruptions contribute to climate change. Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 145-255 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year.
Based on this information, which I believe to be true, I am positive the human species has contributed little or no effect on the climate of this earth. Our goal is not to try to compete with volcanic eruptions or the sun, but it is also not our goal to destroy our way of life as we know it.
Who knows what the most favorable temperature is or should be? Warmer climates produce more vegetation.
The climate during the reign of the dinosaurs, approximately 65-150 million years ago, had to be considerably warmer than today. Why, you may ask? Some of these critters were gigantic and required colossal amounts of food on a daily basis. The climate we have today is not capable of growing the massive amounts of food necessary to grow and sustain these enormous creatures.
We also have no effect on the warming or cooling of Mars.
Please tell me where I am wrong.
You're not wrong, except on this website!
Ok, I'll bite, here is where you are wrong, as wrong as wrong can be:
I am positive the human species has contributed little or no effect on the climate of this earth.
1'000 s of people who are SCIENTISTS have proven that humans do effect the climate, both in the near and long term. Those other climate changes you describe have happened over millions of years. The present climate crisis is happening now and the dire consequences are happeing NOW, and will get worse.
If you don't believe the 1'000 s of scientists then I don't have any further help for you.
Just what are the dire consequenses that are happening NOW? Your post has a "the end is near" ring to it and I'd like to hear the dire consequenses.
I'd say you haven't been paying attention.
Then lay 'em on me, mary. Rising sea levels? Not happening! Hot, arrid northern plains? Nope! Consistent massive catagory 5 hurricanes since "05? Uh-uh! Crop failures outside of the norm? Quite the opposite! So if I'm not paying attention to what you are paying attention to, I guess I'm not tuned in to the "Gloom "n" Doom" networks, like Kutie Couric or Brain Williams.
category 5 hurricanes increased in the 2000s, as you can see in this link. 2007 was the first recorded time that 2 category 5s made landfall, dean and felix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes
and 2008 was the first recorded season to have major storms, 3 or above, in every month from july to november. haiti and cuba were especially hard hit. show yourself out, please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Atlantic_hurricane_season
I said consistent cat 5 since 2005, the peak, and has ebbed since then. If global warming spawned these events and humans are to blame with the continuing human intervention, then it stands to reason, to most people that cat 5 hurricanes would be on the increase. As a matter of fact, 2007 was relatively quiet. Don't show yourself out, keep "talking". BTW, when a hurricane, no matter what catagory, makes a direct hit on Cuba or Haiti, the devastation is enormous and since these are third world countries with increasing populations, the severity of the storm has nothing to do with the devastation.
so in other words, just because there haven't been 4 in a year like 2005, that proves no global warming. the fact is that the trend is up, 8 cat 5s in the 2000s with the decade not over. and 2007 had an above average number of hurricanes, just like 2008. and as i pointed out 2007 was the first time that 2 cat 5s hit land. is that like, other than that mrs. lincoln, how was the play? and haiti and cuba are struck by hurricanes all the time, but the number and severity have been way over average in the last couple years. try again.
dmathews says: "i am positive the human species has contributed little or no effect on the climate of this earth".
and: "these eruptions contribute to climate change".
so, if the gases that volcanos spew do contribute to climate change, then how is that the gases that human activity has produced could have "no effect"? what he's described is a contradiction on the face of it. you can't take both sides of the argument.
and this link refers to a recent u.n. report on a brown haze over asia that may have an effect on our weather. and it could possibly be causing cooling, but i guess dmathews contends nothing we can do can affect the climate.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/11/13/brown-clouds.html
He said, "little or no effect". Quote correctly or don't quote at all.
i'm aware of what he said. but if he said "little or no effect", then he is saying it is possible that human activity can have no effect. which, of course, given his statement about volcano gases producing climate change, that is a contradiction. if it isn't, then explain it.
He conceded that humans had or have some effect but you misquoted him to say no effect. You mis-characterized his position thereby commiting the sin that MMFA is here to supposedly "correct". Liberals howl with indignation when anyone mis-states or mis-characterizes a liberal stance but when you do it, there is some justification.
first of all, i offered his complete unedited quote. i repeated it word for word. and i did not use the words "no effect" first. that was him. and you really are not the one to be calling others out on misquoting. you have him saying "some" effect, which is totally different than little or no effect. "some effect" implies far more of an effect than "little or no effect". so that still leaves you to answer my question. he clearly suggested that "no effect" was a possibility. that's a contradiction.
You're playing a semantics game. My evaluation of what he said was accurate, your's was not. What's the contradiction? If he believes, as I do, that humans have little or no impact on global temperatures, as he stated, then what is the contradiction? You certainly did offer his entire quote but then went on to limit what he said in the body of your response and that is patently dishonost.
i didn't limit what he said because he said there is little...."or"....no effect. so, again, he, and you, contend that it's possible that that there is "no effect". i asked how can the gases spewed from a volcano "contribute to climate change" [his words again] and yet the very same gases produced by humans could have "no effect". that's the contradiction that you need to explain. it's a scientific impossibility to say one could affect the climate and the other, chemically the same thing, does not. so explain.
By virtue of relative volume and the fact that global climate change has occured without human intervention in the past, duh!
that doesn't even begin to answer the question. who denied there's been climate change in the past? that has nothing to do with the fact that humans are affecting it now at a more rapid pace than would otherwise occur. and i guess you have conceded the point since you can't explain how the same gases when produced by humans could have "no effect". again, a scientific impossibility.
........open a book and calculate the volume of volcanic activity, on a continuous basis, and compare that volume to the emmisions of cars, factories, etc. Don't forget to factor in bovine methane emissions and lightning produced forest fires. And if you are really interested in the truth, check out the relation of increased c02 levels and the increase in plankton production and tropical greenbelt volume. While you are at it, consider that vehicle emissions have been improved by 60%, on average, since 1970. The real kicker, mary, is if you look at history, these types of climate changes have been consistent since humans have been recording the climate. 30 year cycles and we are in the beginning of a cooling trend as part of the normal, historical 30 year cycles.
Gristmill.grist.org/skeptic
exactly where did this glacier divert the flow of the mississippi? because the mississippi really does not start cranking up as far as volume until the ohio and missouri rivers flow into it and that is south of the glacial areas. also the area in minnesota that is the headwaters of the mississippi now was frozen over then.
I don't know exactly where it was. They just showed a map of north america with a red dotted line for the mississippi, and then showed a glacier diverting the flow into the st. lawrence. it's a good program if you can catch it. there was no mention of the ohio and missouri rivers.
the glacial area was pretty far down in their presentation, but i can't tell you where. it was not as far down as southern missouri though.
i would imagine any flow from the mississippi, if that was possible from that latitude, would have been all but negligible compared to that of the great lakes, which drain into the st. lawrence.