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Krauthammer repeats myths about economic recovery package

February 06, 2009 1:27 pm ET

SUMMARY: The Washington Post's Charles Krauthammer echoed myths about the economic recovery legislation, asserting that the bill contains "hundreds of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress's own budget office says won't be spent until 2011 and beyond." In fact, economists, including Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Elmendorf, have stated that all of the government spending in the recovery package "provides some stimulative effect." Elmendorf has also said that fiscal stimulus in 2011 or later would be effective in the current economic situation.

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In his February 6 Washington Post column, Charles Krauthammer asserted that the economic recovery legislation supported by President Obama contains "hundreds of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress's own budget office says won't be spent until 2011 and beyond," echoing myths about the legislation often repeated by media figures and conservatives. But economists, including Congressional Budget Office (CBO) director Douglas Elmendorf, have stated that all of the government spending in the recovery package "provides some stimulative effect." Elmendorf has also stated that fiscal stimulus in 2011 or later would be effective in the current economic situation, in which economic output is projected to remain below its potential even after the beginning of the recovery.

Contrary to Krauthammer's assertion, in his January 27 congressional testimony, Elmendorf explicitly refuted the suggestion that some of the spending provisions in the bill would not have a stimulative effect, stating: "[I]n our estimation -- and I think the estimation of most economists -- all of the increase in government spending and all of the reduction in tax revenue provides some stimulative effect. People are put to work, receive income, spend that on something else. That puts somebody else to work." Additionally, Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, has stated, "[S]pending is stimulus. Any spending will generate jobs. It is that simple."

Further, economists have argued that a stimulus package will be necessary even if the economy begins to turn around. In his January 27 testimony, Elmendorf said that unlike in ordinary "periods of economic weakness" that "are fairly short-lived," "CBO projects that economic output will remain significantly below its potential for several more years, so policies that provide stimulus for an extended period of time may be appropriate." From Elmendorf's testimony:

Timing. The economic effects of fiscal stimulus should occur during the period of economic weakness, all else being equal. When, as now, a recession is clearly already under way and aggregate demand is declining, it is better if stimulus affects spending quickly in order to mitigate further deterioration in the economy. Different types of policies may differ greatly in how quickly they can be implemented.

Because most periods of economic weakness are fairly short-lived, it is generally preferable that stimulus policies be short-lived. Currently, however, CBO projects that economic output will remain significantly below its potential for several more years, so policies that provide stimulus for an extended period of time may be appropriate. Indeed, a fiscal stimulus that ends before the economy has started to regain its footing runs the risk of exacerbating economic weakness when the stimulus ends.

Likewise, in a January 27 blog post, New York Times columnist and Nobel laureate Paul Krugman wrote:

It's not a problem if some or even most of the stimulus arrives after the official recession, as determined by the NBER [National Bureau of Economic Research], is over. Why? Because in modern recessions, unemployment keeps rising long after the NBER has determined, based on things like industrial production, that the recession proper is over. [emphasis in original]

From Krauthammer's February 6 Washington Post column:

It's the essential fraud of rushing through a bill in which the normal rules (committee hearings, finding revenue to pay for the programs) are suspended on the grounds that a national emergency requires an immediate job-creating stimulus -- and then throwing into it hundreds of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress's own budget office says won't be spent until 2011 and beyond, and that are little more than the back-scratching, special-interest, lobby-driven parochialism that Obama came to Washington to abolish.

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    • Author by nerzog (February 06, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
         

      Don't look now, but the Democrats are letting them do it again.  Just like they doomed Hillary's healthcare proposal to an early grave with an avalanche of bullsh*t, the lying pack of GOP hyenas is running circles around the Democrats and pecking the Stimulus Bill to death. 

      I guess it's easier to control the debate when you own the media, but I think the Democrats got a little too complacent after winning the election.  They should have seen this sh*tstorm coming;  instead, they've been caught flat footed.... again.

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      • Author by Disputed Zone (February 06, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
           

        The good news, according to Nate Silver, is that the propaganda blitz hasn't had much effect on public support yet.

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      • Author by snoopy (February 06, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
           

        Maybe so, but looks like Obama is stepping up to the plate now. Next up will be an address to the nation. That should turn up the heat on our countries traitors.

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      • Author by captfoster2 (February 06, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
           

        "the lying pack of GOP hyenas is running circles around..."

        Sorry nerzog... but I have to call out your Bushism moment... the proper english would be 'are'...   :)

        Other than that.... your spot on!

        Now.... my two cents....

        As far as I'm concerned... Obama handed out enough olive branches to these clowns... and the Republicans took it and did to it that they did to our Constitution... crapped on it!

        I think the time has come for Obama and the Dems to call the bluff of these obstructionist thugs and force them to filibuster the bill to death so that all of America can see just how pathetic they really are!

        Calling all Obama people at the WH.... Read my words and help save the country from these bums and pass them along to the proper set of ears!!

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        • Author by captfoster2 (February 06, 2009 3:41 pm ET)
             

          Oops... forgot to mention the corporate media and their part in this whole mess...

          Do to them as should have been done long ago...

          Call them out! Just because these rightwingers can say these things legally... doesn't mean that they should!

          Kluckhammer here has all the rights in the world to state his opinion... but when he spouts off lies or ignores whole parts of the facts or twists the facts to fit his agenda to defend his position... that is not just wrong... but purely unethical!

          Like with the radio... we need to find a way to allow an opposite yet equal voice to be read/heard/seen.

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        • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (February 06, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
             

          Sorry, Capt, but "pack", even though it means a "group" or "several" is actually a singular word.  If Nerzog had said "hyenas" alone, then it would be plural (I think.)  Of, well...

          How many Obama supporters (other than myself) WARNED him repeatedly about the Republican plan to derail his agenda?  Obviously he didn't read MY e-mail.  We should all write, call, and/or e-mail (text?) Obama, Biden, and even Jill Biden to watch their backs!  The gullibility of the Dems have done them in too many times.  (Or is it "has"?)

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          • Author by Cycat (February 07, 2009 2:07 am ET)
               

            "Pack" is singular in the US and plural in UK.  In this case, "Pack" is the singular subject of the verb "is" with "hyenas" being the object of the preposition "of".  So, "Pack is" is correct.  Same for "gullibility" being the singular subject of the verb "has".  You see what the Dems expectation of anything other than Republican preplanned  obstruction en mass to anything Democratic has done to my MSM battered brain? Seriously, you and Capt are so right.  gentlemanly fisticuffs is ineffective against Republican streetfighting.

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          • Author by captfoster2 (February 07, 2009 2:58 am ET)
               

            "Sorry, Capt, but "pack", even though it means a "group" or "several" is actually a singular word.  If Nerzog had said "hyenas" alone, then it would be plural (I think.)  Oh, well..."

            In the immortal voice of Clint Eastwood in The Gauntlet?

            Nag..... nag........ nag....

            Besides..... according to Cycat... (and thank you for the compliment)... I was correct... so HA HA!  lol and a big friendly jab...

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (February 09, 2009 9:13 am ET)
             

          Sorry nerzog... but I have to call out your Bushism moment... the proper english would be 'are'...   :)

          It depends upon whether you are using British or American English. In American English the word "pack" (which is the subject of the sentence) is singular, so nerzog is correct to use "is". In British English, "pack" is a collective noun that acts as a plural, so "are" would be correct. This is shown on old Richard Dawson Family Feud reruns, where he says things like "The Smith family have two thousand dollars." His British usage is correct, but it isn't the syntax an American would use.

          But, on this side of the pond, nerzog got it correct.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (February 09, 2009 9:14 am ET)
               

            Crap. I just posted the same thing others already have. This strangely threaded view of topics is not fun. You have to read to the bottom to see if you can reply to something at the top. Oh, well...

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    • Author by mary59 (February 06, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
         

      Charles Krauthammer:  he's like an old building with rotten joists, just staying up by inertia.

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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (February 06, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
           

        But he always seems so sure of himself, no matter how ridiculous the words are that are coming out of his mouth.

        That's why he's on Fox and in the WaPO. Confident and confused, qualified in every area.

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        • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (February 06, 2009 3:50 pm ET)
             

          I always read von Krauthammer, but not before I have my breakfast.  Really can't watch him on Fox, though.  He is sort of the Kristol of the Washington Post.  He is never right about anything, but he certainly does have "confidence".

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    • Author by ajzito (February 06, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
         

      I don't think he's as much sure of himself as sure of his goal, and if lies or nonsense will help, so be it.  Remember that Krauthammer has complained about the Democratic Party attempting to 'legislate from the bench' as recently as 2006, when the Supreme Court sported 7 Republican nominees out of 9 sitting judges.  He is a paid propagandist. Truth and reason mean nothing to him.

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      • Author by nerzog (February 06, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
           

        You're right, of course.  The Rush Limbaugh Party's goal is quite clear now.... regain the House of Representatives in 2010 at all costs... even if unemployment hits 20%.  Then they'll propose more tax cuts for billionaires to solve the unemployment problem.

        The frightening thing is that they could succeed in stopping any stimulus bill from passing.  I heard one GOP "moderate" (I think it was Alexander) say that the bill needed to be trimmed down to about 340 billion, which would be mostly tax cuts.   Of course, he referred to that as a "bipartisan" solution.  If that's their line in the sand,  we're not getting a bill any time soon.

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        • Author by princeofwheels (February 06, 2009 4:01 pm ET)
             

          It is refreshing to see that Pres.Obama is starting to turn up the heat. These Repubums don't seem to understand that he was a sitting Senator and saw how childlike they acted towards the Democratic minority. And these bums always mistake kindness for weakness,

          P.S. Kudos to MMFA for not showing a pictures of this Kraut guy. He is scary..but at least when he dies, they can honestly say he looks like he is still alive.

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        • Author by tbone (February 06, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
             

          I'm better with $340B than $900B.  It's still all borrow and spend - the bigger the number the bigger the debt being laid on future generations.

          The same climate of fear that Bush used to push TARP is now being used to push the stimulus.  No discussion of the "catastrophe" in factual terms, just that it will be "catastrophic".  Somewhere, sometime, somebody has to the pay the price.  When your economy has become bubble-based, you have to let the bubble pop.  Let the bank or institution fail, then the CEO's salary is zero and not $500k.  Unemployment insurance and welfare are the safety net that will be extracted as debt from us anyway - these are limite and have a finite life span to force people and companies to make the hard choices rather than artificially propping up failed institutions and/or overvalued/underpurchased goods and services for another year or two or three.

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          • Author by nerzog (February 06, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
               

            If we let the banks fail, the CEOs walk away with a big fat golden parachute; it's the bank's employees and investors who suffer.

            Yeah, Social Darwinism sounds satisfying if you're sitting pretty,  but it may not appeal all that much to the million people who've lost their jobs since Thanksgiving, or the millions who can't get health insurance in good times, let alone now.

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            • Author by tbone (February 06, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
                 

              A CEO's golden parachute is based on a contract that assumes the bank isn't bankrupt.  When it is, they have to get in-line like everyone else and a bankruptcy judge decides who gets paid with whatever assets remain.  Bank employees are covered by unemployment insurance.  And if you think the federal gov't isn't already going to bail out the failiing pension systems, give me a break.  People who've lost their jobs are collecting unemployment.  People without health insurance can still go to the emergency room and get treated if they experience a serious illness or injury.

              Social Darwinism - is that your definition of capitalism?  or something else.

              If you want to argue that we need to increase the progressivim of our taxation system to pay for this, that is an argument I can get on board with, even if it increases in debt in the short term.  But there has to be a path back towards fiscal sanity.  If you want to see real Social Darwinism (i.e., anarchy), then all we need to do is stay on the borrow and spend train. 

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    • Author by magnolialover (February 06, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
         

      Has Krauthammer even been right on, well, anything? 'Nuff said.

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