Coulter, Beck jump on health IT falsehood bandwagon
SUMMARY: Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck further advanced the false claim that the economic recovery package will allow the federal government to control or interfere with doctors' treatment decisions, echoing an assertion by Betsy McCaughey in a Bloomberg commentary. In fact, the provisions McCaughey referred to in her commentary address establishing an electronic records system such that doctors would have complete, accurate information about their patients "to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care."
On February 11, syndicated columnist Ann Coulter and Fox News host Glenn Beck further advanced the false claim that the economic recovery package will allow the federal government to control or interfere with doctors' treatment decisions.
Coulter alleged in her February 11 column that pursuant to provisions in the economic recovery act, Health and Human Services "bureaucrats will soon be empowered to overrule your doctor" and "cut off treatments that merely prolong life." She also claimed, "Doctors who don't comply with the government's treatment protocols will be fined." During the February 11 broadcast of his Fox News program, Beck allowed Rep. John Fleming (R-LA) to similarly claim that under the legislation, a "health technology czar" will "oversee what procedures doctors are doing and help decide at what point in life they will receive certain treatments and perhaps what treatments are acceptable and not acceptable for payment." Rather than challenge Fleming's assertion, Beck replied:
BECK: So this is -- really, this is the beginning -- I mean, this is the way it happens in every society. I mean, you know, the extreme example is what happened in Germany, when -- they actually had a chart on how many potatoes you could, you know, make, how many hours you could work, how many fields you could till, et cetera, et cetera. And if you couldn't do very much, well, then, you didn't get, you know, the primo health care.
That's just the way it works when everybody has to share for the common good. Sometimes for the common good, you just have to say, "Hey, Grandpa, you've had a good life. Sucks to be you." That's not compassion.
The falsehood apparently originated in a February 9 Bloomberg "commentary" by former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey, in which McCaughey claimed that under provisions in the House version of the economic recovery bill, "[o]ne new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and 'guide' your doctor's decisions." In fact, the language in the House bill that McCaughey referred to does not establish authority to "monitor treatments" or restrict what "your doctor is doing" with regard to patient care, but rather addresses establishing an electronic records system such that doctors would have complete, accurate information about their patients "to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care."
Indeed, CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen reported during the February 11 edition of CNN Newsroom, "I had a PDF of the bill up on my computer. I said, 'Show me where in the bill it says that this bill is going to have the government telling your doctor what to do.' And [McCaughey] directed me to language -- it didn't actually say that." Cohen added, "Now when we asked the folks who wrote this bill, 'Hey, is this bill going to allow the government to tell doctors what to do?" they used words like, 'preposterous' and 'completely and wildly untrue.' "
As Media Matters for America documented, Beck hosted McCaughey on the February 10 edition of Glenn Beck, during which he did not challenge her false claim that "[t]he secretary of Health and Human Services is empowered to determine which medical providers, doctors, and hospitals are, quote, 'meaningful users of this system,' and therefore, in compliance. And, the HHS secretary is also authorized to use 'increasingly stringent measures' -- that's the language in the bill - 'to enforce compliance.' "
Other media figures who have advanced McCaughey's misrepresentations of the recovery bill's health-care provisions include washingtonpost.com blogger Ed O'Keefe, nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh, Internet gossip Matt Drudge, CNN host Lou Dobbs, Wall Street Journal senior economic writer Stephen Moore, and Fox News anchors Bill Hemmer and Megyn Kelly.
From Coulter's February 11 column:
Second, bureaucrats at Health and Human Services will electronically collect every citizen's complete medical records and determine appropriate medical care.
Judging by the care the State Department took with private visa records last year, that the Ohio government took with Joe the Plumber's government records, that the Pentagon took with Linda Tripp's employment records in 1998, and that the FBI took with thousands of top secret "raw" background files in President Clinton's first term, the bright side is: We'll finally be able to find out if Bill Clinton has syphilis - all thanks to the stimulus bill!
HHS bureaucrats will soon be empowered to overrule your doctor. Doctors who don't comply with the government's treatment protocols will be fined. That's right: Instead of your treatment being determined by your doctor, it will be settled on by some narcoleptic half-wit in Washington who couldn't get a job in the private sector.
And a brand-new set of bureaucrats in the newly created office of "National Coordinator of Health Information Technology" will be empowered to cut off treatments that merely prolong life. Sorry, Mom and Pop, Big Brother said it's time to go.
At every other workplace in the nation -- even Wal-Mart! -- workers are being laid off. But no one at any of the bloated government bureaucracies ever need fear receiving a pink slip. All 64,750 employees at the department of Health and Human Services are apparently absolutely crucial to the smooth functioning of the department.
With the stimulus bill, liberals plan to move unfirable government workers into every activity in America, where they will superintend all aspects of our lives.
From the February 11 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:
BECK: Tell me about what is happening in the stimulus bill. What now are we going to have inflicted on us from the government with health care?
FLEMING: Well, specifically with regard to health care, there's a very interesting provision that was put in the stimulus bill that provides for a health technology czar, if you will, a person who will oversee what procedures doctors are doing and help decide at what point in life they will receive certain treatments and perhaps what treatments are acceptable and not acceptable for payment.
BECK: So this is -- really, this is the beginning -- I mean, this is the way it happens in every society. I mean, you know, the extreme example is what happened in Germany, when -- they actually had a chart on how many potatoes you could, you know, make, how many hours you could work, how many fields you could till, et cetera, et cetera. And if you couldn't do very much, well, then, you didn't get, you know, the primo health care.
That's just the way it works when everybody has to share for the common good. Sometimes for the common good, you just have to say, "Hey, Grandpa, you've had a good life. Sucks to be you." That's not compassion.
FLEMING: Exactly. Well, Glenn -- no, but, Glenn, you -- I think you remember the Hillary health-care plan, which failed miserably because they tried to pass it all at once. And what they've come to understand is, they have to do it incrementally, so they're slipping these things into bills. There were some items put in SCHIP, the bill that passed before this one, that extended government health care to those who are already on the insurance rolls and taking them off.















"Second, bureaucrats at Health and Human Services will electronically collect every citizen's complete medical records and determine appropriate medical care."
Can we find an honest Republican somewhere who will admit that she just made up the part about "determining appropriate medical care"?
Beware the DATABASE of MASS DESTRUCTION!!!
Besides, I can't be the only person who notices the hypocrisy of these people who found no problem with collecting every citizen's complete record of electronic communications...
You're right. Then again, it was rather hypocritical of you guys to scream about that but turn a blind eye to this.
Do you get what you're saying?
This is a falsehood. So, we're supposed to give the same credence to a falsehood as we do to reality, and we're supposed to get upset over something that's not a threat?
Do you even think before you type?
Honest REPUBLICAN? I dont think you can use those two words in the same breath.
umm i will refute that i am an honest republican, and believe me in disgusted with what W, Dick, and the rest of the white house mafia have done
thejbomb65, You do have my condolences, I used to be more of a middle of the roader, sometimes REPUBLICAN supporter until I became thourghly disgusted with the DISASTER known as BUSH-CHENNEY.
eh its not so bad, i know im not part of that rabbid wing of the republican party that W and Dick belong to. im more along the line of Barry Goldwater, ive read his stuff and i agree with almost all of it.
sad part is not long before he died he had said that neo cons were hijacking the republicans and branded him a liberal.
the same guy who quoted Cicero's Orations about conservatism was branded a "liberal" by his own party.
whats even more funny, is the neo cons are so hung up on ronald regan.....well regan was a disciple of goldwater, so by logical extension they should have listened to goldwater, but they didnt. that might explain some of their current problems.
im going to remain a republican no matter what. im not a extremist like this new batch like Cantor and Boner (yes im saying that on purpose) bring back Goldwater! lol
thejbomb65, I hate the RABID RIGHT WING that has taken control of the REPUBLICAN PARTY. These NEO CONS are more like NEO NAZIS in my opinion because of their intolerance for any opposing views other than their own. Good luck wresting control of the party from these jerks.As for me,on some issues I vote with the LIBERALS, on others,i vote with the REGULAR CONSERVATIVES, NOT THE NEO CONS.During elections i believe that if the party in power did a good job, i vote to keep them in. If i believe they are doing a lousy job,then i vote them out. I have been voting in every election since 1972 and my vote has been almost evenly split between the two parties. Most of my friends think i'm nuts,but,what the heck?
but am i not correct about Goldwater? i mean for crying out loud Regan idolized him and then in turn the Neo cons idolize Regan, so by extension they should idolize Goldwater, but the hijaked his ideals
BECK: That's just the way it works when everybody has to share for the common good. Sometimes for the common good, you just have to say, "Hey, Grandpa, you've had a good life. Sucks to be you." That's not compassion.
I think this is the real fear of conservatives, despite all of their whining about having their success punished, and the demonizing of those not so well off, always fantasizing about themselves as the strong and capable.
Too many of them realize they're not really contributing, and think that they'll be marginalized if society moves away from the model of moneyed brain-dead royalty being in charge.
They fear that medicine will be doles out according to one's medical need (the way it SHOULD be) as opposed to one's ability to pay (as it is now.)
When Beck gets a kidney stone he wants to be ahead of the stroke victim in line, because he's more successful.
That's how these people think. I have more money, therefore I deserve more than you. (Putting aside of coure that I ALREADY HAVE more than you!)
So, to paraphrase: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" Seems I've heard that somewhere before.
Beck's assertion was ridiculous, but yours is no less so.
Actually, your quote is not one made in relation to health care. It was meant to apply to the society as a whole. It's probably not a realistic wish to apply such a rule to a society as a whole, but just because Marx wrote it doesn't make it ridiculous... naive, perhaps, overly simplistic and idealistic, maybe... but not ridiculous. In fact, I think it applies pretty well to a reasonable, fair, health-care system that considers all human life as having equal value, and seeks an equitable way to distribute a limited resource.
I made no comment on Marx's statement being ridiculous, only Eddie's.
If you'd like to provide specifics on progressive taxation; how much of your (and my) income aka "limited resource" you are think is proper to provide for a "reasonable and fair" (i.e., nationalized) health care system, we can talk. Otherwise, Dosvidanija. I reject Marxist generalities.
All human life does have value but what constitutes "life" and what constitutes "equal" is open to interpretation and some cold calculus is required that overruns each individual's emotion. Terry Schiavo would be one quick example. In a nationalized system some would have no problem subsidizing her medical costs for life, others would. Who decides what costs are "reasonable" and who "fairly" receives them when the party or family can't pay?
Ok. Let's express it as a percentage of GDP: How about 13.9%? That's the current percentage of the U.S. GDP that is spent on health care. That is a full 3% more than the second highest percentage in the world, Switzerland, and 4.5% more than France, which has arguably the most comprehensive universal health care in the world (source on all these numbers: OECD health data 2004). Finance universal health care using a model such as France's and the current GDP expenditure, and it would be, by far, the cadillac of universal health care systems in the world, costing the same amount as it costs us now. Only with the new system a much larger percentage of the money would go toward actual health care, instead lining the pockets of the insurance companies and their lobbyists. Heck, you could just finance it at 12% of GDP and you'd still be at the highest percentage in the world while cutting costs. So how would that work as far as progressive taxes? Well it would mostly be a matter of diverting the money that is currently being funneled through the insurance system toward a universal health care system. Corporate America is on board with this idea, in general... so I guess it's probably not communist... you make the call.
So... you've never heard of triage? I'm talking about medical priority. One's health and long life is NOT something that should be subject to the whims of the free market. If you're sick, or in need of medical care the only limits should be technical ones. IOW - if we can fix it, we will. COST should NOT be a limiting factor, if a life can be saved. NO ONE should ever die or have to live with life long, disabling conditions and complications beauce they're not millionaires. WHat I'm saying is NOT communist, it's just good medical practice - the best actually. What you're implying is basically inhuman - that one's money and wealth determine the priority in saving their life.
What was ridiculous about your assertion was stating Beck believes his non-life threatening ailment should take priority over a life threatening one. He didn't say that. You further generalized that that is what "they" (all the wealthy) believe.
You have further made my point that what you are advocating (medical treatment without regard to cost or who pays) actually is communistic. How do you reconcile "if we can fix it we will and cost should not be a limiting factor if a life can be saved". Let's use another modern day example. Octomom and her babies - how much medical and societal cost should be borne by society as reasonable? We are probably already looking at several million dollars. What's your upper limit? How many Terry Schiavo's should be on the public dole. Call me inhumane if you like but I'd like to see how far your humanity stretchs.
So, does Zippy the Pinhead Beck get the I-made-the-Nazi-Comparison-First Award for this issue?...
I wasn't even sure that's what he meant there. I would have thought that the Nazis made sure all real Arayan Germans received the best of everything including health care. Then I thought maybe he was meaning East Germany before St. Ronnie single handidly brought down that wall. Hence my confusion with that statement.
OT, but here's some good stereotyoping for you...:
Heaven is where the cops are english, the cooks are french, the mechanics are german, the lovers are italian and everything is run by the swiss.
Hell is where the cops are german, the cooks are english, the mechanics are french, the lovers are swiss and everything is run by the italians.
Hell is where the cops are german, the cooks are english, the mechanics are french, the lovers are swiss and everything is run by the italians.
And all the political commentary comes from Beck, Coulter, O'Reilly, and Hannity...wait a minute! Are we in Hell already?...
That is too funny...
Beck is so off-the-wall I really can't be bothered, but Colbert could:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/218576/february-11-2009/truth-from-the-gut
The absolute funniest Colbert bit I've seen in a long time! I will no longer look at or listen to Beck without thinking of this skit and realizing what an inconsequential baffoon he really is. I give his new show another six months.
They are afraid of a data base of medical info, but not some insurance adjuster at Blue Cross telling your doctor that they aren't going to pay for a procedure. Beware of right wing hacks bearing fear. It's all they have.
Randy
You took the words right out of my head Randy. Medical decisions have been made by insurance company clerks for decades. Maybe a beaurocrat might do a better job at seeing that the insured actually has his procedure approved.
Plus, those insurance company bureaucrats often have a profit motive to deny coverage.
Coulter and Beck are whining because they're pretending to think the federal government will control doctor's treatment decisions? I thought they proved they were in favor of that when they pushed the nonsensical and mis-named "partial birth abortion" ban.
Well zadig, don't you know that the ban is all about (cue patriotic music here) MORALITY?...
Zadig
Let's not forget Terry Schriavo.
Another hypocritical issue for the GOP. They're all in favor of doctors and patients making their own decisions, unless it's a decision of which they don't approve. Likewise, they hate "activist" judges, unless the judge is planting Ten Commandment monuments on the Courthouse steps, then they're all for it.
I'm in the information biz.
Well, then if you did a little research, you would realize that information you would discover would completely disprove your post.
The potential is frightening.
Another person scared of nothing.
drinking the kool aid huh?
and which of your Masters sent you on here eh? was it Darth Karl or Darth rush?
Did you know you can get your credit report in under 30 min? Just exactly where do you think that information comes from..... gasp.... a database somewhere.
Read the bill. It has several provisions for increased security measures.
in the economic recovery act, Health and Human Services "bureaucrats will soon be empowered to overrule your doctor" and "cut off treatments that merely prolong life." She also claimed,
Now you know the Republicans only want that right for the insurance companies.
Apropos of nothing here, really -- but has anyone else notice that AC is starting to bear an uncanny resemblence to Iggy Pop?
Just pray she doesn't start using Iggy's stage act -- ripping off her shirt and throwing herself in the mosh pit at CPAC.
yes its called hypocracy
Yes, it is hypocrisy. The same people who are cool with the Patriot Act, national ID cards etc. have a problem with doctors accessing medical records.
The ignorance is profound.
its not ignorance, its simple greed. cause it removes the health insurance companies from making money and sticking it to the rest of us
If Beck and Coulter think something is a bad idea, sign me up for it, because I have to assume it's one of the best ideas to ever come down the pike.
These people are sick. That their minds copuld work that way and come up with these "sucks to be you, Grandpa" scenarios is nauseating.
Typical conservative tactic - bring up the boogeyman (in this case Universal Healthcare) and start rambling about a bill in the stimulus package and then insert the name of Satan (aka Tom Daschle) here and there and paste in some irrelevant unreferenced story about the ineffectiveness of the UK health system and voila your followers will foam at the mouth.
I have been in the healthcare field for 20 years and for 9 of those in healthcare IT. I hear this garbage from doctors all the time. There are some very legitiment criticisms of the EHR portion of the bill one of which is a completely unrealistic timeline.
Physicians who buy this garbage probably do need to have someone monitor their decisions.
Why do you need to insult Iggy Pop? It's not his fault that Coultergeist is starting to look like him.