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February 12, 2009 6:39 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Bernard Goldberg revived the claim that, in 2002, RNC chairman Michael Steele had Oreo cookies thrown at him. In fact, Steele, then running for Maryland lieutenant governor, Robert Erlich, Steele's then-running mate, and Paul Schurick, Erlich's then-spokesman, have recounted several different -- sometimes contradictory -- versions of the alleged incident. Indeed, in November 2002, Steele reportedly speculated that Oreos allegedly present at the debate may just have been "someone having their snack."

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On the February 11 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Bernard Goldberg revived the claim that, in 2002, Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele, an African-American, had Oreo cookies thrown at him. In fact, Steele, who was running for Maryland lieutenant governor at the time of the alleged incident, Robert Erlich, Steele's then-running mate, and Paul Schurick, Erlich's then-spokesman, have recounted several different -- sometimes contradictory -- versions of the alleged incident. Indeed, in November 2002, Steele reportedly speculated that Oreos allegedly present at the debate may just have been "someone having their snack."

Amid attacks against Media Matters for America -- for highlighting Factor host Bill O'Reilly's comparison of Hearst Newspapers columnist Helen Thomas to "the Wicked Witch of the East" -- Goldberg claimed that "left-wingers ... didn't say a word when their fellow left-wingers ... threw Oreo cookies at Michael Steele, because he had the nerve to be a conservative black man."

As Media Matters has noted, the Oreo incident allegedly happened during a September 2002 gubernatorial debate between Republican Ehrlich and Democrat Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. However, The Baltimore Sun's initial reporting on the debate did not mention Oreos. According to Nexis, the first media mention of Oreos appearing at the debate came on October 1, 2002, when the Sun reported that Schurick "said Democrats in the audience ... distributed Oreo cookies" at the debate. Subsequently, on October 21, 2002, the Associated Press and the Sun both reported that the day before, Ehrlich had told an audience assembled at a Jewish day school that "Townsend supporters at the debate threw Oreo cookies" at Steele.

In 2005, when Steele announced his bid for the U.S. Senate seat in Maryland, Schurick also reportedly claimed cookies were thrown during the debate. The Sun reported in a November 13, 2005, article that Schurick said "he saw people passing out packages of the cookies ... before the debate and that when Steele entered the auditorium about 15 minutes before the start, people let fly with the cookies." The article quoted Schurick saying, "It was raining Oreos. ... They were thick in the air like locusts. I was there. It was very real. It wasn't subtle."

However, Schurick's 2005 reported assertion that multiple Oreos were thrown at Steele contradicts what Steele himself has reportedly said about the alleged incident. According to a November 22, 2002, report by the Capital News Service, Steele "said an Oreo cookie rolled to his feet during the debate" The article quoted Steele saying, "Maybe it was just someone having their snack, but it was there. ... If it happened, shame on them if they are that immature and that threatened by me." The article made no mention of more than one Oreo. Subsequently, according to a November 15, 2005, article on Washington, D.C., radio station WTOP's website, Steele stated: "I've never claimed that I was hit, no. The one or two that I saw at my feet were there. I just happened to look down and see them." In an interview for the March 2006 edition of Essence magazine, Steele was quoted as saying that "[t]wo [Oreos] hit my shoes. I looked down, turned to my friend, and said, 'Got milk?' "

Finally, in a March 26, 2006, article, The New York Times reported that, during a speech at Salisbury State University, Steele told the crowd about the alleged incident, saying, "Folks started throwing Oreo cookies at me," and that he told the Times during an interview, "It happened. I was there. O.K.?" The Times further reported of Steele: "He said he did not see the Oreos in the air, but when he got up, noticed them at his feet when he stepped on one and heard a crunching sound."

In its November 13, 2005, article, the Sun reported that several eyewitnesses said they did not see any Oreos during the debate:

"It didn't happen here," said Vander Harris, operations manager of the Murphy Fine Arts Building at Morgan State. "I was in on the cleanup, and we found no cookies or anything else abnormal. There were no Oreo cookies thrown."

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Clint Coleman, a spokesman for Morgan State who was at the event, said he saw lots of unseemly behavior but no Oreos.

"There were a lot of things, disturbances, by this group of outsiders who were bent on disrupting the debate," Coleman said. "But I never actually saw Oreo cookies being thrown at him."

As for "raining Oreos," Coleman said, "I can tell you that did not happen."

Neil Duke, who moderated the event for the NAACP, said last week that he didn't see any cookies.

"Were there some goofballs sitting in [the] right-hand corner section tossing cookies amongst themselves and acting like sophomores, as the legend has it?" Duke said. "I have no reason to doubt those sources; I just didn't see it."

Wayne Frazier, president of the Maryland-Washington Minority Contractors Association said he watched Steele walk into the auditorium that night but saw no Oreos.

"I was there the whole time and did not see any of the so-called Oreo cookie incident," Frazier said. "It could have happened and I didn't see it, but I was in the auditorium from start to finish."

From the February 11 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: Now, Helen Thomas. We have -- you know, Bernie, I know I'm a mean guy, and -- but what do you think?

GOLDBERG: Let me first say: A man needs a humorless feminist like a fish needs a bicycle, OK? So, that's number one. But it's interesting to me that these left-wingers, who didn't say a word when their fellow left-wingers called George Bush a moron, when they called Dick Cheney a fascist, when they called Sarah Palin a racist, and when they threw Oreo cookies at Michael Steele, because he had the nerve to be a conservative black man -- they didn't say a word about all of that.

So here's my political analysis -- and feel free to bleep this: Screw them. Screw them. They are unimportant people. They are unimportant people who shouldn't be taken seriously. When you made a good-natured joke -- I very seriously said that Helen Thomas' 15 minutes were up during the Lincoln administration, and you know what? If they want to take shots at me, and if they want to take shots at you, they need to know one thing: They're throwing spitballs at battleships. Bring it.

O'REILLY: But they never -- they never learn. They do it, and then we get a segment at the top and two other segments out of it, everybody sees it, everybody knows how absurd it is. I should send Media Matters a little Valen- -- I sent Helen flowers already -- 'cause I have nothing against them.

GOLDBERG: You should send them flowers. You --

O'REILLY: I just send them --

GOLDBERG: Absolutely. You should send --

O'REILLY: I want to send them a cake, but I want something to be inside the cake, and I might be put in prison if that happens.

GOLDBERG: You should send them flowers -- black, dead roses.

O'REILLY: But they never learn, Bernie.

GOLDBERG: You should send them flowers.

O'REILLY: They're still doing this crap. And the poor lady who came in, who's a very courageous woman, she buys into this nonsense. She doesn't know it's a George Soros-generated, you know, not conspiracy --

GOLDBERG: They're humorless.

O'REILLY: -- but you know what I'm talking about.

GOLDBERG: They're humorless.

O'REILLY: Right. Obviously.

GOLDBERG: Bill, they're humorless, and they're unimportant, and they're unserious.

O'REILLY: All right. We'd love to talk to Tina Fey about satire some time, but I don't expect to see her in.

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    • Author by magnolialover (February 12, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
         

      Ah, I love at the end of this, the old carrot about liberals being "humorless" because they're making fun of a well respected journalist. Yeah, thing is, if it were funny, we would have laughed, but it wasn't. It was the same old name calling BS that right wing talk show hosts LOVE to do. For examples, well, just listen in. Mark Levin is the best example, he's got a little 5th grade nickname for everyone. 

      This whole Oreo cookie thing. if someone was lobbing cookies at a Senate candidate, and or a gubernatorial candidate, I would expect them to be dealt with as it pertains to the law, I think that lobbing cookies at someone would be considered assault, and should be dealt with as such, but apparently, this isn't even what happened. 

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      • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (February 12, 2009 7:40 pm ET)
           

        If someone lobbed cookies at a liberal, it would be assault but if they are being lobbed at a conservative, the conservative woulf be getting their "just dessert". :)

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        • Author by snoopy (February 12, 2009 7:56 pm ET)
             

          Speaking of Steele, how's that fraud investigation against him coming? Too bad that liberal press doesn't give his fraud the same amount of airtime they gave to Daschle...

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          • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (February 12, 2009 8:20 pm ET)
               

            Talk about bomb throwing. The fraud you're talking about had nothing to do with Steele but with someone hired to perform a function but never performed that function. Nice try snoop dog. I did read a post by you on another thread and I admire the volunteer work you're doing and I'm sure things will turn around for an intelligent guy like yourself. No sarcasm.

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            • Author by snoopy (February 12, 2009 8:45 pm ET)
                 

              The fraud you're talking about had nothing to do with Steele but with someone hired to perform a function but never performed that function...

              Yeah, HIS SISTER!

              "Michael S. Steele, the newly elected chairman of the Republican National Committee, arranged for his 2006 Senate campaign to pay a defunct company run by his sister for services that were never performed, his finance chairman from that campaign has told federal prosecutors."

              But thank you for your concern on my part.

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            • Author by Marker (February 12, 2009 9:14 pm ET)
                 

              Hey Armstrong, (sigtek44bc1345)

              Too bad getting caught delivering propagand to the masses. Good luck debating about it on this thread.

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      • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (February 12, 2009 8:34 pm ET)
           

        Why would a "well respected journalist" ask such a stupid question at Obama's first press conference? Helen Thomas is fairgame for anyone. She duplicates the appearance of every witch depicted in fables and in movies so O'Reilly's characterization was dead-on. Too bad liberals are soooooooooo sensative toward their own and soooooooooo insensative toward those who they disagree with. Quite a conflict.

        As for the oreo cookie incident it's funny how liberals can display this sort of racism towards an African-American in the republican party yet speed to the defense of an African-American charging the same kind of racism who happens to be a democrat. Armstron Williams has been the subject of these kinds of attacks by liberals on numerous occasions.

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        • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (February 12, 2009 8:35 pm ET)
             

          ......g.....

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        • Author by foghornleghorn (February 12, 2009 9:06 pm ET)
             

          Armstrong Williams deserves everything he gets.  In case you forgot, he was paid to lie for the administration.  And yet, he still gets work opining on the teevee.

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        • Author by magnolialover (February 12, 2009 9:22 pm ET)
             

          Thing is chief, nobody here is defending the cookie tossing (if it ever happened, because by all appearances, it never did, but that's beside the point, if it did happen, it was reprehensible, and should have never have happened, which it appears is the case anyway, that it didn't happen). 

          Helen Thomas is not a liberal. She's a reporter. Well respected. Has asked many tough questions of all different presidents. The reason you guys think she's a liberal, is that she dared to ask a tough question of George W. Bush when he was Prez, and she was then blacklisted, and not called on again for the rest of his presidency. 

          Armstrong Williams was attacked because he was a paid propagandist for the Bush administration, while playing himself off as an unbiased reporter. I don't remember anyone talking about his race.

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        • Author by Disputed Zone (February 12, 2009 10:54 pm ET)
             

          Has it occurred to you that the reason you think Thomas resembles a witch - the hooked nose that you mentioned on another thread - is because in the past witches were depicted as caricatures of semitic women, like Thomas, that were designed to arouse fear and hatred?

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        • Author by funnymanpants (February 13, 2009 12:40 am ET)
             

          >>As for the oreo cookie incident it's funny how liberals can display this sort of racism towards an African-American

          Yes, you know what's even funnier? The incident never happened, but despite this inconvenient fact, you base you argument on it as if it did. Now that's funny.

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        • Author by Brabantio (February 13, 2009 6:47 am ET)
             

          "Liberals" don't commit racist acts.  It violates the philosophy, which invalidates the use of the term.  What you mean to say is "Democrats", even supposing that there was any incident at all. 

          What racist attacks against Armstrong Williams are you referring to?

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          • Author by SMTDL (February 13, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
               

            Steele and Williams deserve the criticism they get from Blacks.They do nothing  about obvious racist behavior from Conservatives and/or Republicans.Has either commented on how Limbaugh and Hannity made fun of the homeless black woman at the Obama event in Florida?They painted her as if she was just lazy waiting for a handout.If it had been a white woman at a Republican rally asking the same question..she would have been put out there like Joe the plumber..

            Just look at how Steele and Blackwell rected to the 'Magic Negro" CD gift ..when they behave like that they deserve to be called "Oreo" or be pelted by some!!

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            • Author by Brabantio (February 13, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
                 

              The "Joe the Plumber" point is interesting.  He was basically whining that he might have to pay more taxes if he made more money.  Yet a homeless woman asking for help is somehow surprising or reprehensible behavior.  I expect you're right, if it was on the other foot she would be propped up as a symbol of some sort.

              My problem with the "oreo" term is that it sets up expected behaviors based on race.  It's not really about supporting causes that should be important to you, because you've "sold out".  That would be an "uncle tom".  "Oreo", on the other hand, essentially says "you don't behave like I expect a black person to behave, so I'm going to put a label on you".  I don't find that conducive to racial equality, personally.

              I agree Steele and Blackwell should have raised hell over the "magic negro" CD.  That's exactly the sort of garbage that needs to be eliminated from the Republican party, and both of them had a prime opportunity to stand up for what was right as opposed to what is politically expedient.

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              • Author by SMTDL (February 13, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
                   

                Yes but it is easy for an Oreo to also be an Uncle Tom..and vice versa...They are just different ways of self denigrating yourself to other black people!!!example ..when Steele went on Bill Maher and attacked Obama's politics he was being an Oreo since Republican politics ignore issues that should be important to all (Black) people(Education,poverty,voter suppression,unfair aspects of the justice sysyem).He was then an Uncle Tom when he attacked Obama's qualifications( community organizer,empty suit ,blah blah) while lauding Sarah Palin's "qualifications" by comparison..it's a thin line ..both are reprehensible roles for him from my perspective!!!!

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                • Author by Brabantio (February 13, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
                     

                  I don't accept the "oreo" label at all, because there's nothing that's inherently "white" in their behavior.  Think about it this way:is a white liberal more "black" than a white conservative?

                  I agree that he should be more interested in racial equality than his Republican credentials.  I just don't agree with validating sets of behaviors as "black" or "white".

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                  • Author by SMTDL (February 14, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
                       

                    Thanks Brabantio ..you have a point but to me its about logical behavior more so just than expected behavior.Would it be logical to defend the KKK if you're Black? I'm not saying they(Steele,Williams,Blackwell,etc) would do that but just using it as an example.To support legislation or ploicy that hinders blacks from voting shows no recognition of the struggles of your black forefathers so is illogical to me coming from a black person.Every body has personal experiences that shape their opinions and decisions.I'm talking about the degree of logic in specific cases.Many Blacks I know that are conservative would never agree with some of these positions so end up voting Democratic rather than compromise the major logic of such positions..Unfortunately some like Steele can do that which is their right of course!!!A vote is a terrible thing to waste and unfortunately there are really only 2 choices if you are to be heard!!

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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 13, 2009 11:35 pm ET)
             

          As for the oreo cookie incident it's funny how liberals can display this sort of racism towards an African-American

          STOP with the lie about the damn cookies!

          Steele told one journalist that the Oreo cookie thing never happened and then told the Hannity crowd that it happened.

          Steele is lying, which makes the fake Republican racism cry, pathetic.

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          • Author by SMTDL (February 14, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
               

            YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS telling his buddy Sean just what he wants to hear!!!

            Steele keeps getting caught in contradictions and reversals....

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    • Author by worrierking (February 12, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
         

      Can you be humorless and unserious?

      Battleship Bernie and combat Bill seem like they've had their sense of humor surgically removed. Christ almighty! Even Dennis Miller's funny compared to these old farts.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (February 12, 2009 7:07 pm ET)
         
      My son thinks Bernard Goldberg is the next best thing after OREO cookies. I must have fallen off the train for I am still trying to figure out what it is in the stymulus package republicans don't like other than " everything "
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      • Author by snoopy (February 12, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
           

        Pretty simple, really. 58% is democratic sponsored stimulus they can only call pork and 42% is tax cuts they would have supported but can't because a democrat beat them to the punch putting them in. If they can't take credit for it the poor hurt babies cry about their re-election chances.

        Maybe they'd feel more at home at the U-Washee...

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    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (February 12, 2009 7:59 pm ET)
         

      Okay.  Bernard Goldberg is a lying sack of right-wing male bovine fecal matter.  You can't tell me anyone is actually surpirsed by this...

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    • Author by gg (February 12, 2009 8:24 pm ET)
         

      From Oreos to shoes, how the mighty have fallen.

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    • Author by military_husband (February 12, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
         
      As I said elsewhere, i just knew this would be back as soon as Steele got the job. And of course it isn't true. I mean really, does anyone believe that Oreos thrown during a debate attended by the press would have gone unreported for over 3 weeks? Then it was reported (by Steele and Ehrlich, of course) that some were in the audience. Next they were being passed out to the crowd. Then some were thrown. Then he was pelted with Oreos. Finally people were asking for proof that this ever happened since no tape showed anything and then it went back to a few cookies around and one rolling near his foot. Just Pathetic. Steele, the same man who then ran his campaign with little mention of being a Republican while handing out material showing him with local prominent black democrats.
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      • Author by wookie (February 12, 2009 8:48 pm ET)
           

        Of course. They can't really explain how Steele is going to be the great saviour of conservatives so they go for the persecution shtick.

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    • Author by Marker (February 12, 2009 9:09 pm ET)
         
      A golden oldie of repug lore, false, totally debunked except in the repugs head.
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    • Author by sportsguydave (February 12, 2009 11:23 pm ET)
         

      Not too many funnier things on TV than a circle jerk between these two losers.

      Hey, Bernie! Reschedule  that Howard Kurtz interview yet, you sniveling right-wing coward???

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    • Author by princeofwheels (February 12, 2009 11:29 pm ET)
         
      BS Bernie is a fraud and a joke. Before long, he'll be screaming that someone threw a piece of ham at him. Maybe he hates the new stimulus bill because it is anti-semetic..it includes pork. Bernie, you are a washed-up piece of literary trash. You lie for money. But, you are BS BERNIE.
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    • Author by Brabantio (February 13, 2009 6:42 am ET)
         

      Part of the problem is that we don't even know what to believe.  There were no oreos in the air thick as locusts or whatever.  Nobody was handing out cookies in some concerted effort.  What are people supposed to say, "we're very angry with the actions in the story that was manufactured by Republicans"?  The worst case scenario is that there were two jackasses who rolled a couple of oreos at Steele.  What else should we do besides calling them jackasses, if anyone did anything in the first place?

      It's sort of hard to know what to say when dishonesty makes it unclear exactly what happened.  It makes it seem quite likely that nothing happened at all, in which case there's nothing to be said about it.

      Besides, if there was no concerted effort then we really don't know a thing about these supposed cookie-rollers.  They might have been conservatives who didn't want a black person representing them, for all we know.  Goldberg is just wrong on every level imaginable.

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    • Author by mefirst (February 13, 2009 7:26 am ET)
         

      there might have been a couple cookies rolled at him.  if so, that was wrong. and anyone who threw them should have been removed or arrested.  i didn't have a problem when the don't taze me bro guy got arrested.  he disrupted a private event and wouldn't go peacefully.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (February 13, 2009 7:40 am ET)
         

      GOLDBERG: They're humorless.

      All I can say is that if Bernard Goldberg thinks liberals are humorless he obviously does not visit this site.  ;>)

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