McClatchy asserts without evidence that a "range of economists" say recovery bill won't stimulate
SUMMARY: A McClatchy article asserted that "a range of economists" believe that the economic recovery bill "is short on incentives to get consumers spending again and long on social goals that won't stimulate economic activity." But the only person identified as being associated with Democrats or progressives in the article did not criticize the bill; rather, as the McClatchy reporter noted, he called it "a necessary condition for economic stabilization and recovery."
In a February 13 McClatchy article headlined "Will the stimulus actually stimulate? Economists say no," reporter Kevin G. Hall claimed that "a range of economists" believe that the economic recovery bill "is short on incentives to get consumers spending again and long on social goals that won't stimulate economic activity." Hall later suggested that economists on both "side[s] of the political spectrum" do not support the recovery bill. In fact, the only person quoted in the article whom Hall identified as being associated with Democrats or progressives was quoted by Hall as saying that "the stimulus bill is a necessary condition for economic stabilization and recovery."
In the article, Hall reported: " 'All this is 25 years of government expansion jammed into one bill and sold as stimulus,' said Brian Riedl, the director of budget analysis for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative policy research group." Hall then added: "The view wasn't much more supportive on the other side of the political spectrum. In a brief on the stimulus compromise, William Galston, a senior fellow at the center-left Brookings Institution and a former Clinton White House adviser, warned Thursday that a bank-rescue plan being finalized will make the $789 billion look like 'pocket change.' "
However, as the next sentence Hall quoted from a February 12 statement by Galston makes clear, Galston was not criticizing the bill; indeed, he called the congressional agreement on the bill a "much needed victory" for the Obama administration. Rather, Galston said what many economists have said, that a financial bailout plan is also necessary for economic recovery. Hall wrote: " 'While the stimulus bill is a necessary condition for economic stabilization and recovery, it is hardly sufficient,' Galston wrote. 'As the lesson of Japan in the 1990s shows, fiscal stimulus without financial rescue yields stagnation -- at best.' "
From Galston's statement:
With yesterday's agreement between House and Senate negotiators on an economic stimulus bill, the young Obama administration won a hard-fought and much needed victory. The compromise, which cut the overall cost of the legislation to $789 billion, pared back items dear to both liberals and the business community.
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Throughout these negotiations, the administration has insisted that a stimulus bill of roughly $800 billion would "create or save" between 3 and 4 million jobs. Because the American public, while hoping for the best, remain skeptical about government's ability to improve their lives, the president would be well advised to dramatize the implementation of the bill. Through the spring, he should appear every week at a site where stimulus money is making it possible for "shovel-ready" projects to get started. The language of long-term investment is too anodyne for the moment: the mantra must be jobs, jobs, jobs if average Americans are to begin regaining their faith in the future.
While the stimulus bill is a necessary condition for economic stabilization and recovery, it is hardly sufficient -- and probably not the most important component of the overall program. As the lesson of Japan in the 1990s shows, fiscal stimulus without financial rescue yields stagnation -- at best. Treasury Secretary Geithner's initial sketch of a financial package failed to inspire confidence, either in Congress or in the markets. Serious observers believe that recovery cannot begin until we acknowledge that losses in the financial system amount to some trillions of dollars, rendering many institutions insolvent.
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Sooner or later, the administration will have to level with Congress and the people, and then make the case for a financial rescue package the magnitude of which will make the stimulus package look like pocket change. However hard it may have been to get the stimulus to the finish-line, it will prove to have been easy in comparison to the task that lies ahead.
From Hall's February 13 McClatchy article:
The compromise economic stimulus plan agreed to by negotiators from the House of Representatives and the Senate is short on incentives to get consumers spending again and long on social goals that won't stimulate economic activity, according to a range of respected economists.
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Another reason that some analysts frown on the stimulus is the social spending it includes on things such as the Head Start program for disadvantaged children and aid to NASA for climate-change research. Both may be worthy efforts, but they aren't aimed at delivering short-term boosts to economic activity.
"All this is 25 years of government expansion jammed into one bill and sold as stimulus," said Brian Riedl, the director of budget analysis for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative policy research group.
The view wasn't much more supportive on the other side of the political spectrum. In a brief on the stimulus compromise, William Galston, a senior fellow at the center-left Brookings Institution and a former Clinton White House adviser, warned Thursday that a bank-rescue plan being finalized will make the $789 billion look like "pocket change."
"While the stimulus bill is a necessary condition for economic stabilization and recovery, it is hardly sufficient," Galston wrote. "As the lesson of Japan in the 1990s shows, fiscal stimulus without financial rescue yields stagnation -- at best."
" . . . Serious observers believe that recovery cannot begin until we acknowledge that losses in the financial system amount to some trillions of dollars, rendering many institutions insolvent. The temptation will be to muddle along, hoping that these institutions can gradually regain strength without putting massive amounts of taxpayers' money at risk. If we go down that road, we are likely to end up with zombie banks whose balance sheets are riddled with near-worthless investments -- banks that cannot lend to credit-worthy customers and who cannot trust one another," Galston wrote.
With the economy in a tailspin, doing nothing isn't an option, however.














I'm once again disappointed in my hometown gigantic media conglomerate. McClatchy, aren't there guidelines for this kind of thing? First it's that both sides don't think it's stimulative, then it's that a Heritage Foundation guy (i.e. not an economist, but a partisan) doesn't like it and a vaguely progressive analyst quoted out of context can be construed to be somewhat critical. When you play connect-the-dots, bear in mind that the dots are supposed to be on the same page as one another.
Anyone know whether the proposed "stimulus bill" been released to the public. If so, is there a link where can I access it? thanks . . .
Drudge is reporting that the bill itself is well over 1000 pages... I dunno if you wanna sit down and read all of that
Here are the links.
A range of economists from "far right" to "paid-off wingnut".
all taking their marching orders from rove (the dark lord of the sith) and rush (the equivelent of darth vadar)
Thanks Craig . . . Of course I'm not gonna read all of it, or even a little of it, but I'd like to see what all the talking-heads are referring to . . .
True enough, it's long. But that's to be expected really.
Anyway, I heard something interesting this afternoon. On a liberal talk radio show, they had on a democratic congressman (can't remember his name) who was talking about how the republicans are complaining that they didn't have time to read the bill, even though most of it has been in front of them for over a month, and even now that it's been reconciled, he has read it. He made another point, the republicans keep crying that they haven't been able to read it, but they're quick to point out which things in the bill they don't like, or disagree with, or want gone. So, either they've not read it, or they have. One of those things is a lie. I'm guessing that they're lying that they haven't read it.
Most likely Rush Limbaugh is telling them which parts to whine about, so they don't have to read it. That's why they keep getting caught lying about it.
Pelosi promised that the bill would be available for 48 hours before the vote. In fact it was only released at 11 pm last night and consideration and voting took place somewhere around 2 o'clock this afternoon where it was passed by the House 246-183.
Gotta love those Dems, giving people only 13 hours and most of that through the night.. to read up on the largest spending bill in our country's history. Aren't you glad the House just voted to increase the debt another trillion bucks with virtually no discussion by Obama about how to pay it back?
1. Do you have a link with the exact quote in which Pelosi makes this promise? I can't find it.
2. I believe the pre-conference bills have been online for some time now, and usually the final bill looks like a mixture of those. Please let me know if you find out some shocking new item was added at the last minute.
Yeah, they should be like republicans and keep the senate open for hours on end so Cheney and Delay can strong arm republicans who already voted to force them to change their votes.
Or heck, what about a nuclear option? I recall you were all for that one, let's do that again! Screw that magic "60" number, we'll just do what republicans wanted to do!
Gotta love those Dems, giving people only 13 hours and most of that through the night.. to read up on the largest spending bill in our country's history. Aren't you glad the House just voted to increase the debt another trillion bucks with virtually no discussion by Obama about how to pay it back?
Oh My God!
Sleep or READING AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BILL?
13 freaking hours and Republicans don't have the balls to lose a little sleep in order to READ an important bill?
And you have the nerve to think that a little late night reading is a valid excuse for NOT reading the bill?
Congress is suppose to work for the American people, not worry about their freaking beauty sleep.
Republicans need to stop acting like a bunch of 2 year old who can't wipe their own a**. Who cares when they got the damn bill! Read it!
pearlene , that is all the REPUBLICANS do, act like abunch of spoiled 2 year olds who cant wipe their own rear end.
Like when Repugs march our soldiers off to a war that has no end game. Repugs had more than enough opportunity to read and have input on this legislation but they were too busy saying no to everything to check it out. Repugs need to get out of the way and let the adults decide on a course of action.
If we go down that road, we are likely to end up with zombie banks
The warning signs are already out there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7ESMVQe3t4
And off topic, my favorite prank of all time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REkpS1KfwcM
Maybe MMFA missed this ad in the Jan. 9th edition of the NYT listing 200 economists who believe the stimulus bill is a a mistake.
http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdf
Who says that any of these people are anything other than conservative?
wow a whole 200. and im wondering how many economists there are in the world total, and how many of them are coming out in support of this.
ya know there is a guy who just recently won a NOBEL PRIZE in ECONOMICS who says that the bills isnt big enough, you should check him out Paul Krugman.
can you tell me how many of those 200 have ever won a nobel prize? can you name one? if you can, all well and good, if you can't then sit down and be quiet.
in the end ill take a guy's word that has a nobel prize over some collection of right wing nutcases
How hard can it be to find 200 wingnuts, who...
moonlight as part-time economists.
...This guy Kevin G. Hall is probably one of them.
>>Maybe MMFA missed this ad in the Jan. 9th edition of the NYT listing 200 economists who believe the stimulus bill is a a mistake.
Or maybe they didn't. MMFA is supposed to respond to a partisan ad? Having people simply sign a statement is not an argument. Many of them are from small universities and don't represent what most economists are saying.
It's an ADVERTISEMENT!
Would anyone in their right mind listen to a Republican economist?
Are those those free range economists that I've been hearing so much about?
Loin of fat is the prime stuff I've heard.
Japanese epicurian blubber enthusiats are taking to it in droves, shoals, and schools.
Rumors of a speciality company being formed to organize and run hunting expeditions to the grazing lands of the free range economists....are probably false.
Are those those free range economists that I've been hearing so much about?
Loin of fat is the prime stuff I've heard.
Japanese epicurian blubber enthusiats are taking to it in droves, shoals, and schools.
Rumors of a speciality company being formed to organize and run hunting expeditions to the grazing lands of the free range economists....are probably false.