Scarborough mischaracterizes Obama proposal as "nationaliz[ing] health care"
SUMMARY: On Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough mischaracterized President Obama's proposal for health care reform, claiming that Obama has "cho[sen] this time to nationalize health care." In fact, as PolitiFact.com noted, Obama's health care reform proposal "leaves in place the private health care system" and "is very different from some European-style health systems where the government owns health clinics and employs doctors."
During the March 9 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, host Joe Scarborough claimed that President Obama has "cho[sen] this time to nationalize health care with a $635 billion down payment." Scarborough's assertion echoes Sen. John McCain's false characterization of Obama's health care proposal during the 2008 presidential campaign, when he suggested that Obama and then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton both "are convinced the solution is to move to a nationalized health care system." In fact, Obama has not proposed nationalizing the health care system. As The New York Times reported in a May 3, 2008, article, "McCain has been repeatedly suggesting that his Democratic rivals are proposing a single-payer, or even a nationalized health care system along the lines of those in countries like Canada and Britain" but "[t]he suggestion is incorrect." Additionally, PolitiFact.com noted in a March 4 post that "Obama's plan leaves in place the private health care system, but seeks to expand it to the uninsured" and that "the plan is very different from some European-style health systems where the government owns health clinics and employs doctors."
According to the White House health care web page: "On health care reform, the American people are too often offered two extremes -- government-run health care with higher taxes or letting the insurance companies operate without rules. President Obama and Vice President Biden believe both of these extremes are wrong."
The White House website further states:
The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing health care system, and uses existing providers, doctors, and plans. Under the Obama-Biden plan, patients will be able to make health care decisions with their doctors, instead of being blocked by insurance company bureaucrats.
Under the plan, if you like your current health insurance, nothing changes, except your costs will go down by as much as $2,500 per year. If you don't have health insurance, you will have a choice of new, affordable health insurance options.
Further, Obama's fiscal year 2010 budget outline, which Scarborough referenced in stating that Obama had called for approximately $635 billion as a health care reform "down payment," also provides "eight principles" for that reform. One of these principles, "Guarantee Choice," explicitly states that "[t]he plan should provide Americans a choice of health plans and physicians. They should have the option of keeping their employer-based health plan."
As Media Matters for America has documented, media figures and outlets have also advanced the false characterizations that Obama's health care reform proposal constitutes "government-run health care" or "socialized medicine."
From The New York Times' May 3, 2008, article, "Parsing McCain on the
Democrats' Health Plans":
McCain has been repeatedly suggesting that his Democratic rivals are proposing a single-payer, or even a nationalized health care system along the lines of those in countries like Canada and Britain.
The suggestion is incorrect. While both Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York are calling for universal health care and an expanded role for government, they stop well short of calling for a single-payer plan.
Mr. McCain has made the assertion several times in recent days, even as he and the Republicans have made repeated calls for accuracy on the campaign trail. They have been complaining indignantly that the Democrats were grossly distorting his position by suggesting that he favors a "100-year war" in Iraq, when he has simply said that he would be fine with stationing troops there for 100 years as long as there were no more American casualties.
Yet on repeated occasions, Mr. McCain, of Arizona, has inaccurately described the Democrats' health care proposals, using language that evokes the specter of socialized medicine.
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Both candidates have called for universal health coverage, with Mrs. Clinton saying she would require everyone to have insurance and Mr. Obama saying he would mandate coverage for children. Both would maintain the existing private insurance system, providing government subsidies or tax credits to help the low-income uninsured afford premiums. And they would give consumers a new option to buy insurance from the federal government, with policies along the lines of Medicare.
From the March 9 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
MIKA BRZEZINSKI (co-host): I think you could make the RTC [Resolution Trust Corp.] comparison early on, but now I feel like we are in nowhere's land. And everyone seems, Maria, to be very confused, and I don't hear a clear message from the administration.
MARIA BARTIROMO (CNBC anchor): No, it's obvious [inaudible].
BRZEZINSKI: Am I missing it?
BARTIROMO: No, you're not missing it at all. It's obvious there's no clear message. We need to know that the president and the Treasury are focused 100 percent on recapitalizing the banks; we need to know that there is a deadline in place in terms of bailing out every institution; and we need to believe that there is an end in sight in terms of this recession, instead of hearing, you know --
BRZEZINSKI: Health care summit.
BARTIROMO: Health care, energy summit, you know, taxes going higher. People are confused. They're saying, you know, what is the plan?
BRZEZINSKI: But, Jack, is it fair that they can work on health care, they can work on energy, they can try and combine those into the ultimate goals that will help our economy and our country grow, and the fact that they are working on these stress tests for the banks. Those are things I don't think you want to publicize. I don't think you want that to be a complete open book -- or do you?
JACK WELCH (former General Electric CEO): No, I think -- look, I think you can have your staff working on all kinds of long-range problems, but you can't be out yourself in front of the crowd telling them on Wednesday we're gonna be health care; on Thursday we're gonna be something else; on Friday -- the country is confused. I think your staff should be working night and day on the long-range problems.
If you're the -- if you're the education secretary, you're working on trying to deal with the teachers' union, vouchers, getting a better merit system. If you're in -- if you're in energy, you're working on a carbon tax; you're comparing it to Europe, which was a total failure in cap and trade. And you're going to see what did Europe do wrong, let's be sure we don't do the same thing, so then when we have cap and trade --
BRZEZINSKI: OK.
WELCH: -- we have a real plan.
BRZEZINSKI: So -- so, Joe, is it naïve then to think that all of these efforts are interrelated? And, I mean, the White House will tell you: Hang in there. Wait, we are dealing with it, but it will take weeks, months, even years for recovery --
BARTIROMO: It -- you know what, Mika --
BRZEZINSKI: -- to sink in.
SCARBOROUGH: Of course -- of course it's -- not only is it naïve, it's reckless to suggest that in the midst of a banking crisis that may have a $2 trillion price tag that you are going to choose this time to nationalize health care with a $635 billion down payment. Of course it is reckless. It's not naïve, it's reckless. And some would say -- Democrats would say politically astute. But --
JON HILSENRATH (Wall Street Journal chief economics correspondent): Let me --
SCARBOROUGH: Go ahead.
HILSENRATH: Let me throw in another problem with having this multipronged agenda. You need -- and you just pointed to this -- you need a lot of political capital to get the country behind pouring more money into banks. Nobody likes doing this. If you're spending political capital on energy and on health care and on so many other things, it's going to be very hard to mobilize everybody to do -- to make some very hard choices, which we are going to have to make in the next six months to a year to two years.
You've gotta, you know, they're going to have to come back to Congress for more money, and they've already -- [former Treasury Secretary Henry] Paulson and now [Treasury Secretary Tim] Geithner have demonstrated it's a very politically challenging thing to do -- to get Congress behind writing checks for banks which caused the problem.















It probably doesn't matter what you call it... the Republitoads have chosen their path... they will dig in their heals and grind the Senate to a halt. There will be no healthcare reform this year or next. Of course, the "liberal media" will blame it on Obama.
It's 1993 all over again.
Good. Very good. Just as when you make a large purchase in your life, like a car or a home, you should not move impulsively. This needs to be VERY deliberate since if it is set up to fail, it is not left for the next President, a strong fiscal conservative, to clean up the mess left by the freeloaders.The price tag is always underestimated by the government for anything that they do. Hypochondriacs alone could drive this price tag up by a third.
Are people who can't afford healthcare really afraid of the "nationalization" boogeyman, or are they trying to scare those who pay through the nose? Either way, I'm so happy that they want to support the greedy healthcare industry yet again.
They are just trying to scare anyone they can with the word "socialism".
Just like the Bush Administration did so often in the war on terror, Social Security privitazation, etc.
It is what it is. Handouts, bailouts, free, whatever you want to call it. Still socialism.
This is what happens when a knuckehead gets hold of a microphone.
The facts are shredded, replaced by conservative buzzwords and BS.
Medicare - Government run
Medicaid - Government run
Most State Employees - State government run
Repugs - Gotta keep government out of health care.......
The GOP does want to gut Medicare and Medicaid if not get rid of them.
No, my point is how repugs don't want the government involved in health care yet they are to a large degree.
The government and the insurance companies choose what the prices are. So yes, they are already very much involved.
This is a fine example of double bearocracy. So much wasted tax dollars and time. For example, we have a federal do not call list against telemarketers and then the individual states have the same thing. Why?
There is SO MUCH that could be done to impact cost with what is already in place! Allow the medical marketplace to dictate cost, not government. A doctor who is starving for business can lower costs to be competitive within the marketplace.
Kmart is still alive, even with Walmart dropping the prices through the floor. Without Kmart and the rest of the marketplace, Walmart would have the ability to choose their own prices. Why could this NOT work in the medical marketplace????
We won the election!! So why do we have to endure these Republican Fanatics on the mainstream media?? Why is Joe peddled as a voice of the Middle??
Like Mussolini isn't Hitler therefore he must be balanced?
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
This is not a very bright question above...REALLY???!!
You have too much faith in man to think that any one person should have dictatorship/a voice over all. Go to Venezuala with that rhetoric.
Quite amusing how every blowhard on cable TV is now an expert on what the President should do. Hell...if President Obama had taken Joe Scarborough's advice, he wouldn't even have run for the office of the Presidency. I remember how Scarborough burst out laughing on TV when he was told that Senator Barack Obama was going to announce his candidacy...Joe predicted Hillary would "crush" Obama, and even stopped the show to make a personal appeal to Barack Obama asking him to "please avoid the embarrassment Senator...trust me...don't even bother..."
This is almost as bad as Jim Cramer talking about stock picks, given his horrible track record.
All JOE is doing is repeating the same old tired REPUKE talking points.
Put up or shut up, Worldly:
But both the GAO and the CBO now question their sweeping conclusion. When the CBO attempted to duplicate the Stanford economists’ methods for other types of ailments they found found “no evidence that restrictions on tort liability reduce medical spending.”
http://www.factcheck.org/president_uses_dubious_statistics_on_costs_of.html
Here's another:
http://www.citizen.org/documents/NPDB%20Report_Final.pdf
Another:
A 2004 CBO report concluded that capping awards at $250,000 for non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits "would basically save only 0.4 percent of the amount that's spent now" on health care. According to the report, "[M]alpractice costs amounted to an estimated $24 billion in 2002, but that figure represents less than 2 percent of overall health care spending. Thus, even a reduction of 25 percent to 30 percent in malpractice costs would lower health care costs by only about 0.4 percent to 0.5 percent, and the likely effect on health insurance premiums would be comparably small
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4968
THIS is just a horrible point to be on the wrong side of. Fried boy, you are on THAT side.
What is socialized medicine? Do the countries that have it thrive? The plan would work by bringing everyone in. Bad doctors are out there right now, what world do you operate in?
reining in the lawyers would allow medical care to be affordabel
I'll believe that when you won't sue for as much as you possibly can after your doctor accidently amputates the wrong leg.
Ah, but it's not 1993.
The insurance industry is dumping a ton of money into this reform fight , just like last time. They employ a swarm of lobbyists, make huge political contributions, and fund a ton of anti-government propaganda. The propaganda is a serious influence that we need to confront. Read this quote for the 1928 book Propaganda, and think about how this effects our Democracy
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our government." ~ Edward Bernays
This is a for-profit service available to anyone who can afford it. These services are provided by lobbyists, think tanks, foundations, and front groups, commonly under the guise of an "expert". In addition to marketing and advertising, propaganda also known as Public Relations, is present in almost ever aspect of society where public opinion plays a role. This has gone on for the entire history of TV, and until the recent rise of the internet, the public was mostly unaware.
Things have changed a lot in 15 years.
The Propaganda, fear and disinformation need to be exposed and confronted, not just so we can have quality Heath Care, but to make the world safe for Democracy. We were promised a government of, by,and for the people. What we have grown up with is the governing of the people, by the media, mostly for the corporations. From Clinton's heath care defeat to poor pre-war "intelligence" on Iraq, fear and disinformation has dominated politics.
Propaganda was very powerful back when TV was high tech, but our circumstances are very different today. We are at a point now where people play an active role in the flow of information that was not possible twenty years ago, or at any point before that. The world has changed and the tables turned in our favor. These companies have corrupted our system and are trying to take advantage of us. I think the American thing to do would be: Stick it to 'em with overwhelming force.
You, I like.
Simply idiotic to knock the ones handing the tax dollars to the freeloaders. Btiting the hands that work each day to feed you at home.
I am even shocked to her this stupidity!
I really don't think that the majority of people are confused at all. I just think the people who have such huge investments on Wall Street want to know when they are going to be able to make "easy" money again. It's not confusing. It's simple, really. Now, if you never questioned Bush, why then are you questioning Obama? You have been told 1,000 times that a) there is no "deadline" when the economy is going to turn around. B) It's not President Obama, but the BANKS that don't want to loan money to other banks because they have all had their palms greased and now don't know which one of them is going to survive the stress test that the Obama administration is administrating to them. Everybody on that panel (Morning Joe) does not have any reason to be "scared". They don't want for nothing. So what they should be doing as responsible broadcasters is stop the "why Obama is going to fail" daily chatter and do some homework and try instill a positive message to the public for a change. Their first mistake was to believe that he couldn't win the Presidency and their second mistake is not believing he won. Further, if they continue to underestimate the intelligence of President Obama or his administration, that will be your third mistake.
I watch a man with no licence get into the cockpit of a plane and I think the SAME thing...Well, let's just hang out another minute to watch THIS disaster waiting to happen.
We are all watching attentively.
Morning Joke is a disgrace to journalism. He lies, distorts and licks the boots of every republican that comes on his show.
He belongs on Fox as we all know not to expect creditibility from them.