NY Times uncritically quoted Cheney saying Bush administration detention policies were "done legally"
SUMMARY: In a New York Times article, A.G. Sulzberger quoted without challenge Dick Cheney's assertion that Bush administration policies on detentions and intelligence gathering were "done legally" and "in accordance with our constitutional practices and principles." Sulzberger did not note that the Supreme Court has repeatedly rejected Bush administration policies regarding detentions, that the Justice Department has withdrawn Bush administration memoranda authorizing interrogation practices, and that the International Committee of the Red Cross has reportedly determined that interrogation practices used during President Bush's tenure in office amounted to torture.
In a March 15 New York Times article, reporter A.G. Sulzberger quoted without challenge former Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion in an interview on CNN's State of the Union that the Bush administration's policies on detentions and intelligence gathering were "done legally" and "in accordance with our constitutional practices and principles." Sulzberger did not note that the Supreme Court has repeatedly rejected Bush administration policies regarding detentions, that the Justice Department has withdrawn Bush administration memoranda authorizing interrogation practices, and that, according to a New York Review of Books piece -- parts of which were adapted for a March 14 Times op-ed -- the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has determined that interrogation practices used during President Bush's tenure in office amounted to torture.
Sulzberger reported: "Since taking office, Mr. Obama has reversed many of the policies championed by Mr. Cheney in his eight years of serving under President George W. Bush. Mr. Obama has announced plans to close the detention camp in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, within the year, suspended military trials for terrorism suspects and prohibited the interrogation practice known as waterboarding." Sulzberger continued:
But on Sunday, Mr. Cheney said those very policies had produced intelligence -- still classified -- that helped uncover specific plots.
"I think those programs were absolutely essential to the success we enjoyed of being able to collect the intelligence that let us defeat all further attempts to launch attacks against the United States since 9/11," Mr. Cheney said of Bush administration policies, echoing statements he made in an interview last month with the Web site Politico.com.
"I think that's a great success story," he said. "It was done legally. It was done in accordance with our constitutional practices and principles."
However, in the 2004 case Rasul v. Bush, the Supreme Court rejected the Bush administration's argument that, under the law as it existed at the time, Bush could order people to be detained at Guantánamo Bay without the ability to challenge the terms of their detention in federal court. The Court's majority opinion stated that the detainees who brought the case alleged that "although they have engaged neither in combat nor in acts of terrorism against the United States, they have been held in Executive detention for more than two years in territory subject to the long-term, exclusive jurisdiction and control of the United States, without access to counsel and without being charged with any wrongdoing -- unquestionably." The petitioners filed habeas corpus petitions seeking to challenge the terms of their detention in federal court. The Court rejected the Bush administration's argument that the courts did not have jurisdiction over the habeas corpus petitioners, holding that "the federal courts have jurisdiction to determine the legality of the Executive's potentially indefinite detention of individuals who claim to be wholly innocent of wrongdoing."
Subsequently, in the 2006 case of Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the Supreme Court struck down the Bush administration's procedures for trying Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a Yemeni national, by military commission. The majority opinion stated that "the military commission convened to try Hamdan lacks power to proceed because its structure and procedures violate both the UCMJ [Uniform Code of Military Justice] and the Geneva Conventions."
In 2008, the Supreme Court again reversed administration policies regarding Guantánamo Bay detainees in Boumediene v. Bush. The Court held that the procedures set up by the Bush administration under the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 to review Guantánamo detainees' status "are not an adequate and effective substitute for habeas corpus." The Court therefore rejected the Bush administration's argument that the habeas corpus petitions should be dismissed.
During the interview on CNN, host John King also referred specifically to Obama's "eliminat[ing] the label of enemy combatants." In 2004, in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, eight justices stated that that the Bush administration's policy of holding an American citizen, Yaser Hamdi, on American soil as an "enemy combatant" without a "meaningful opportunity to contest the factual basis for that detention before a neutral decisionmaker" violated the law. In a plurality opinion for four justices, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote:
At this difficult time in our Nation's history, we are called upon to consider the legality of the Government's detention of a United States citizen on United States soil as an "enemy combatant" and to address the process that is constitutionally owed to one who seeks to challenge his classification as such. The United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit held that petitioner's detention was legally authorized and that he was entitled to no further opportunity to challenge his enemy-combatant label. We now vacate and remand. We hold that although Congress authorized the detention of combatants in the narrow circumstances alleged here, due process demands that a citizen held in the United States as an enemy combatant be given a meaningful opportunity to contest the factual basis for that detention before a neutral decisionmaker.
Two other justices, David Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, also rejected the limitations on habeas corpus that the Bush administration urged. And Justices Antonin Scalia and John Paul Stevens also stated that the Bush administration's detention policy as applied to Hamdi was unauthorized by law.
Moreover, Sulzberger did not mention that Bush Justice Department officials withdrew memoranda written in 2001 and 2002 that provided the legal basis for enhanced interrogation techniques. As Media Matters for America has noted, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) issued memos in August 2002 and March 2003 that concluded the president has broad powers to authorize "rough" interrogation of terrorists. Subsequently, Jack Goldsmith, who served as the head of OLC from 2003 to 2004, withdrew those memos. Goldsmith wrote in his book The Terror Presidency that "OLC's analysis of the law of torture in the August 1, 2002, opinion and the March 2003 opinion was legally flawed, tendentious in substance and tone, and overbroad and thus largely unnecessary" [Page 151]. He also called the broad conclusion of the August 2002 memo that "[a]ny effort by Congress to regulate the interrogation of battlefield detainees would violate the Constitution's sole vesting of the Commander-in-Chief authority in the President" "an extreme conclusion [that] has no foundation in prior OLC opinions, or in judicial decisions, or in any other source of law" [Page 148].
In a January 15 "Memorandum For The Files" regarding the "Status of Certain OLC Opinions Issued in the Aftermath of the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001," then-principal deputy assistant Attorney General Steven Bradbury wrote:
A number of OLC opinions issued in 2002-2003 advanced a broad assertion of the President's Commander in Chief power that would deny Congress any role in regulating the detention, interrogation, prosecution, and transfer of enemy combatants captured in the global War on Terror. The President certainly has significant constitutional powers in this area, but the assertion in these opinions that Congress has no authority under the Constitution to address these matters by statute does not reflect the current views of OLC and has been overtaken by subsequent decisions of the Supreme Court and by legislation passed by Congress and supported by the President.
Further, in a piece for the upcoming April 9 edition of The New York Review of Books, journalism professor Mark Danner reported that an ICRC "Report on the Treatment of Fourteen 'High Value Detainees' in CIA Custody" concluded that, in many cases, detainees held during the Bush administration were subject to "torture." Danner quoted the "conclusion" of the ICRC's report as saying:
The allegations of ill-treatment of the detainees indicate that, in many cases, the ill-treatment to which they were subjected while held in the CIA program, either singly or in combination, constituted torture. In addition, many other elements of the ill-treatment, either singly or in combination, constituted cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.
A March 16 Washington Post article about the ICRC report similarly stated:
The International Committee of the Red Cross concluded in a secret report that the Bush administration's treatment of al-Qaeda captives "constituted torture," a finding that strongly implied that CIA interrogation methods violated international law, according to newly published excerpts from the long-concealed 2007 document.
From the Times article, headlined "Cheney Says Obama Has Increased Risks":
Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday that President Obama had made the country less safe, asserting that the new administration's changes to detention and interrogation programs for terrorism suspects would hamper intelligence gathering.
Mr. Cheney said the moves suggested that terrorism was now being treated as a law enforcement problem.
"He is making some choices that, in my mind, will, in fact, raise the risk to the American people of another attack," Mr. Cheney said of Mr. Obama in an interview on the CNN program "State of the Union."
Since taking office, Mr. Obama has reversed many of the policies championed by Mr. Cheney in his eight years of serving under President George W. Bush. Mr. Obama has announced plans to close the detention camp in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, within the year, suspended military trials for terrorism suspects and prohibited the interrogation practice known as waterboarding.
But on Sunday, Mr. Cheney said those very policies had produced intelligence -- still classified -- that helped uncover specific plots.
"I think those programs were absolutely essential to the success we enjoyed of being able to collect the intelligence that let us defeat all further attempts to launch attacks against the United States since 9/11," Mr. Cheney said of Bush administration policies, echoing statements he made in an interview last month with the Web site Politico.com.
"I think that's a great success story," he said. "It was done legally. It was done in accordance with our constitutional practices and principles."
Mr. Cheney said the Bush administration decided after the 2001 attacks to make fighting terrorism a function of the military rather than law enforcement.

















Wow.....the NY times giving Dick a forum to spot his garbage.
i cannot fathom the absolute evil that dick encompasses that he is delusional enough to actually think that what he was involved in would be construed as anything legal just because their favorite court jesters John Yoo and Jay Beibie(spelling) said so.
this is the equivilent of a kid breaking a window, getting caught and using the excuse that "other kids did it, why are you coming after me"
Dick will most likely soon be up in front of the UN for war crimes and torture.
somehow he is still delusional enough to think that he can freely speak about this and not think it can't be used against him.
guess he is relying on his Sith powers of mind control to somehow keep him safe.
I would love to see Dick "war Monger" Cheney and his wife Lynne " Write Children's Books " Cheney get on a tourist trip to Europe right now. Cheney might be a rich $$$$$$$$$$$ man but he doesn't have the love of the people to fall back to.
There is a difference between the editorial pages and news reporting. The Times correctly reported what Cheney had said. The Times has been very critical of the practices of the Bush admin in their editorial pages.
Providing two sides of a story is not exclusive to editorials. It sounds like the choice is between opinion and stenography.
I'm sure if they allowed Obama to tell some whopper without any correction or alternate viewpoint, you'd think that was fine. As long as they correctly report what he said, right?
yep. mmfa has never quite been able to differentiate the two. They are so used to the liberal media cheerleading for liberals, especially the left wing NY Times of all publications, they just expect everything that a non-liberal says and is reported in a non-partisan way to be roundly criticized.
Unsubstantiated, accusatory bluster.
The NY Times, as most anyone without a partisan axe to grind would say it is most definitely liberal, left wing, leans left, nothing unsubstantiated about that. accusation?, mmfa just doesn't like it when the other side gets to tell its side of the story in the media, that's a fact. When Cheney gets convicted in a court of law and not just by liberals, then they will have a right to say someone is being uncritical when not challenging something he claims is legal. Sorry, that's the USA.
meant as reply to pete592
If the Supreme Court rejects their policies, then that means they aren't legal, and it especially means that they aren't done in accordance with the Constitution. It's not about the opinions of liberals.
"mmfa just doesn't like it when the other side gets to tell its side of the story in the media, that's a fact."
NO, NOT A FACT. MMFA doesn't like it when the other side GETS TO LIE and the "liberal media" abandons journalistic principles by reporting nothing that disputes it.
"When Cheney gets convicted in a court of law and not just by liberals, then they will have a right to say someone is being uncritical when not challenging something he claims is legal. Sorry, that's the USA."
A RIGHT???
Until Cheney is convicted of a crime, no one has A RIGHT to say anything when he's not called out for his lies??? That's the USA in YOUR VIEW??? Does your USA have a FIRST AMENDMENT???
Cheney is out of office, so calm down. If and when he is charged with a crime, and convicted, then he will be said to have acted illegally - otherwise, no.
so your saying that he had done nothing wrong even though he may be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity?
i never said that at all. I am talking about innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. When he says his detention policies were done legally, until they are proven otherwise in our system of justice, there is no reason for the NY Times to be critical of him saying that. liberals just hate Cheney so that hatred convicts him regardless of whether our justice system has or not.
In case you forgot, Bush admitted to giving the go-ahead for torture. And torture is illegal. So Bush/Cheney are admitted criminals.
I never condoned their policies, but until they are convicted, they are not criminals. If and when they ever are, then check back in.
One need not get permission from a court to label murderous or torturous acts illegal. The law itself has labeled them as such. Anyone connect to such acts is a criminal. The label criminal isn't tied to judge's gavel. Look it up. Criminal has six distinct usages. In this case, we mean one who is tied to or involved with an illegal act. Your argument is one of the classic 25 illogical arguments, in this case, equivocation, used to cloud the subject. Cheney is a law breaker who has admitted breaking the law, and he needs to be in the crowbar motel, pronto.
Randy
yes i know, demanding a conviction prior to labeling someone a criminal is an inconvenient illogical equivocation clouding up the minds of those who only want the law followed when it follows their ideology.
When a Democrat supports rendition, detention without trial and torture, and when Democrats defend that, then you can talk about about wanting "the law followed when it follows their ideology".
The policies are not legal whether anyone's been convicted of anything.
If they violate treaties that the US is a valid signator of yes they are. The Constitution of the United States of America requires us to obey all valid, signed, and ratified treaties.
Where did you stand on OJ? Just curious...
If the Supreme Court rejects those policies, then they weren't done legally. That's part of the system.
we tortured people. what don't you get about that?
people in their own administration said we tortured people.
hows that for innocence. hows that for treaty violation
That is a legal nicety. A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie. And no amount of dodge behind the Constitution can change a lie to a truth. We held the Hitlor's regime responsible for torture and the gitmo torture was among the many torture techniques used by Hitler. If Republicans are not careful, we will be known as the torture party because we supported the illegal behavior of the Cheney bush era. That stand is morally indefensible even for a Republican like me.
I'm talking about his lies, not his crimes.
lies, or not, are not a crime, in this respect. So the NY Times reprinting his interview is perfectly fine.
For you it is, not for those that demand the truth be told.
So you have no idea or opinion, other than living your Republican talking point led life?
He is out of office so what? Did he not let >4000 American lives be lost in Iraq (in cahoots with Vice President Bush)?
"most definitely liberal, left wing, leans left"
You mean, like when they helped President Numbnuts peddle his lies about Iraq?
no one in their right minds would even level any accusations against Dick unless there was a glaring amount of information saying that he did somethign wrong.
if he did nothing wrong then the UN wouldnt be looking into charges of war crimes.
If Bush or Cheney are never tried, it makes no difference. The International Red Cross clearly and accurately described the Bush-Cheney torture activities in very specific details, ie torture!! Republican supporters of the Bush Cheney illegal activities can carry on all they want, but I am one Republican who holds even Republicans responsible for their illegal behavior. The future of the Republican Party is at stake here. If we do not do the right thing, then the National Party we claim is so enlightened will be held accountable. God is no respector of persons. His rules apply to everyone equally and no amount of blather can make a silk purse out of the sow's ear of the illegal Gitmo behavior perpetrated by the Bush/Cheney crew. Ummmm, really that should read, the Cheney/Bush crew. Republican risk being out of power for years to come if we do not clean up our own party!!!
"There is a difference between the editorial pages and news reporting. The Times correctly reported what Cheney had said."
What an incredibly foolish statement. You clearly don't understand that a journalist's job is to report the truth. As it must be pointed out all too frequently to the wingnuts on this site, a lie is not simply one side of the story. And no, reporters are not obligated to simply transcribe those lies and print them without commentary. Their job is to separate fact from fiction and then inform their readers about which is which. When quoting Cheney, the very least the reporter should have done was to point out that there are a multitude of expert legal opinions that have concluded that the things Cheney claims are legal were in fact illegal. This isn't a matter of he said, she said. There is the lie and then there are the facts.
So Reporting is where you report a quote from the president of the Peanut company (the one that produced contanimated peanut butter that resulted in deaths) when he said "Our peanut butter is safe" and then don't include other facts (like dead people).
Yup...
Real Reporting.
P.S. I suggest that if you ever wanted to be in the news business you might want to reconsider.
So which Amendment states the government has the right to detail people in perpetuity without the right to address the court or ask why they are being detained or to see the evidence against them? Did Bush secretly amend the Constitution through a signing statement? Or is Dick Cheney just make s**t up?
Randy
None but the origional holds treaties to be the second highest law of the land second only to the Constitution.
As usual CHENEY is full of c--p and spewing it all over.