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Hour 2: Rush compares Barney Frank to McCarthy for wanting AIG bonus names

March 18, 2009 2:39 pm ET

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This hour of the Limbaugh Wire brought to you by Thomas Jefferson's powers of foresight
By Simon Maloy

At the top of the second hour, Rush celebrated the rise in U.S. births in 2007, but was concerned that births among unwed mothers were up 40 percent, explaining that he was not sure if these children would become "taxpayers" or "tax receivers." From there, he continued to feed the teleprompter fixation, explaining that he was working on getting sound bites from "TOTUS -- the teleprompter of the United States."

Then it was time for a little more hyperbole, declaring that Rep. Barney Frank's (D-MA) push to obtain names of AIG bonus recipients is the "new McCarthyism."

A quick break, and then Rush was back with his sound bites from "the teleprompter," again declaring that Obama wants to "destroy capitalism" and that he wants Americans angry at capitalism and CEOs. Then he aired a clip of Obama, claiming that the president compared Tim Geithner to Alexander Hamilton. From this, Rush employed the transitive property of talk radio smears -- he quoted from a biography of Thomas Jefferson, who famously disliked Hamilton, claiming that Jefferson, in criticizing Hamilton, was, by extension, criticizing Geithner because Obama compared Geithner to Hamilton. Also, according to Rush, Jefferson accurately described -- 200 years ago -- Obama's present-day attempts to undermine the Constitution and debase the virtue of the American republic. This dovetailed nicely with Rush's monologue from last week, in which he lauded the Founding Fathers for pre-emptively justifying Limbaugh's desire to see Obama "fail."

Leading into the next break, Rush went off the rails... big time. Picking up on a "hilarious" AFP story on how three British researchers attempting to ski to the North Pole "are now down to half rations and fighting to survive in brutal sub-zero weather conditions," Rush declared: "[H]ere are three dingbats trying to prove [global warming] who are about to die in the process." Rush came back from the break still talking about this "hilarious" story, saying these "stupid" explorers are "idiots," and that "there's no other word for it." Rush also wondered if any of them die, could the families sue Al Gore. This went on for some time until Rush said he had better "cut back" on it.

There's not a whole lot we can say about that, so we'll let the transcripts and audio speak for themselves.

Highlights from Hour 2

Outrageous comments

LIMBAUGH: By the way, we're working, ladies and gentlemen, on audio sound bites from the latest press conference held by TOTUS -- the teleprompter of the United States. I watched a little bit of it during the last segment of the previous hour, and during commercial break, I actually listened to some of it.

And the teleprompter apparently told Obama to just get mad. Obama was mad. The teleprompter was telling him to act outraged. The teleprompter was filling him full of energy.

And the teleprompter told him to compare Timothy Geithner to Alexander Hamilton. So the teleprompter told Obama to stand firmly behind Geithner, and he did so with a little rage. Full of outrage, the teleprompter was -- adopted an attitude that we haven't seen from it in quite a while.

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LIMBAUGH: In the meantime, the new McCarthyism in Washington, D.C., this morning during a House Financial Services panel hearing. This is the Chairman Barney Frank.

FRANK [audio clip]: We will also be asking Mr. Liddy to give us the names of the recipients. They have sent us some information under the confidentiality rules. I've spoken to Chairman Kanjorski about this. If Mr. Liddy declines to give us the names, then I will convene the committee to vote a subpoena for the names. So we do intend to use our power to get the names of the people here.

LIMBAUGH: Contractually obligated bonuses -- Barney Frank and the new McCarthyism. He will go the route of a subpoena to get the names of the recipients if the government-installed CEO Ed Liddy does not provide the names. The next question that will be asked once these names have been produced -- and they will be -- then these people will be called up to testify before Chairman Frank's committee.

And they will face other questions like, "Have you attended pro-capitalist meetings during the course of your tenure at AIG? How many of your friends are free-market capitalists and what are their names and where can we find them? And if you fail to answer, you will be cited as being in contempt of Congress."

[...]

OBAMA [audio clip]: Wall Street and the marketplace don't think that we can return to business as usual.

LIMBAUGH: Stop the tape. Stop the tape. Did you hear that? I hope that Wall Street and the marketplace don't think we can return to business as usual. As you continue to listen to these sound bites, the meaning of that is going to become clear. He is trying to make everybody believe business as usual is excess, is criminal activity, is excessive compensation -- all of these things, bonuses and so fourth, that's what we're not doing.

We are going to destroy capitalism is how you translate this. If Wall Street thinks we're going back to capitalism, they've got another thing coming.

[...]

OBAMA: There has never been a secretary of the Treasury, except maybe Alexander Hamilton right after the Revolutionary War, who's had to deal with the multiplicity of issues that Secretary Geithner is having to deal with all at the same time, and you know, he is doing so with intelligence and diligence. Nobody's working harder than this guy.

LIMBAUGH: Well, he's not getting anything done. He's a tax cheat, and he's not getting anything done, except further ruination. Now, Alexander Hamilton -- very deft move by the teleprompter to tell President Obama to compare Geithner to Alexander Hamilton. I am prepared for this one. The intellectual hero of Abraham Lincoln was Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Jefferson lived at the same time as Alexander Hamilton, and they did not get along at all.

Would you like to hear what Thomas Jefferson thought of Alexander Hamilton and thus, by extension, Timothy Geithner, because the teleprompter just told Obama to say that Geithner is Hamilton, all right?

From the book, Thomas Jefferson, by R.B. Bernstein, page 90: "Jefferson feared that Alexander Hamilton had plans radically at odds with the Constitution. As Jefferson saw it, Alexander Hamilton wanted to warp the federal government out of constitutional shape, converting it into a copy of the British government, built on debt, built on corruption, and influence. Jefferson charged that Alexander Hamilton's goal was to ally the rich and the well-born with the government at the expense of ordinary people, creating a corrupt aristocracy leagued with the government against the people and destroying the virtue that was the basis of Republican government."

Now, we can argue -- we can argue, ladies and gentlemen, about Jefferson's assessment of Alexander Hamilton, however, I wish to read this to you again, and I wish to say to you that Thomas Jefferson has just described the objectives of Barack Obama and the people he has brought into his administration.

Listen to this again: "Jefferson feared that Alexander Hamilton had plans radically at odds with the Constitution." Check -- so does Obama. "As Jefferson saw it, Hamilton wanted to warp the federal government out of constitutional shape." Check -- so does Obama. That Hamilton wanted to convert the government "into a copy of the British government." Check. In modern times, we would call this a Western socialist democracy that is the UK -- "that is built on debt, built on corruption, built on influence." Check. Check. Check.

Debt piled upon debt created by Obama. Corruption -- we've got tax cheats as the secretary of the Treasury. We've got lobbyists running all over the White House after Obama said there wouldn't be any there. And influence -- we have Rahm Emanuel calling members of the media every morning to plan coverage of the Obama administration with the stenographers in the mainstream press. Thomas Jefferson said that Hamilton's goal was to ally the rich and the well-born with government at the people's expense. Check.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: They got one day of food left. The weather has been too bad for supply flights to drop more food. If any of them freeze to death, can the remaining family members sue Al Gore?

And by the way, 12 weather stations in Alberta, Canada, have already broken their all-time lowest temperature records for the month of March. Records extend back approximately 100 years -- 100 years. Twelve stations in Alberta, Canada, broken their all-time lowest temperature records while these idiots -- there's no other word for it, folks, these -- they may be well-intentioned, they may have great hearts, and they may really care about the ice, but they're idiots to ski up there to measure the sea ice.

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 18, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
         

      MMFA - Just my opinion here, but this "Limbaugh Wire" stuff is not only lame reading, but it undermines the argument that I've made many times on your behalf that "What MMFA does is take specific items, alwasy with a complete trascript and/or link to actual video, and then demonstrate, using cited references, why that item is demonstablry false, or so one-sidedly misleading as to be, for all intents and purposes, false."

      These "Limbaugh Wire" posts are little more than poorly-supported whine-fests.  They're exactly the kind of thing that [a ditto-head] would call a "smear."  While they'd certainly be exaggerating, it would be hard to prove that he was WRONG.  They're all OPINION, with few (and far between) supporting FACTS.  (Which is really unlike you!)

      We all know that Rush is a kook - that's why we're here.  But these posts read like a liberal mirror of his show:  Pick out a few isolated quotes and then just make fun of them.  I sincerely hope that you will go back to debunking these things one at a time, with the thought, research and supporting references that your readers have come to expect and which have made you a legitimate force for the liberal voice and one of the stongest media critics on the web.

      I read this just about sight every day, and am a regular commenter.  It is one of my favorite places on the web and the columns/county fair are every bit as well-written, well-supported, thought-provoking and informative as your regular media pieces are, often more so.  But compared to the rest of your work, these "Limbaugh Wire" pieces are just purile invective. 

      (Now every liberal poster can feel free to flame me, while every conservative says "What else is new?") :)

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      • Author by MissDee (March 18, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
           

        MMfA is obsessed with Limbaugh. Nice to know that the "opposition" has the ability to name the titular head of the republican party. MMfA just proves once again that it is a totally agenda driven, Soros methodology and ideological site with no capacity for being even handed or level headed in their rabid pursuits. Let them go on with their Limbaugh derangement- they're only  proving what  most reasonable people take away from this kind of diatribe. And Eddie? be prepared to join the MMfA crap list for daring to challenge them from their side of the fence!

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 19, 2009 8:23 am ET)
             

          You see, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.  I completely disagree with the conclusions and implications of your post.  (We've disagreed a LOT, so it really no surpsie!) BUT these Lim-Wire pieces are totally indefensibe!  Aside for the Soros statement, I really can't argue with anything you just said!  These garbage hit-pieces undermine MMFA's credability whith those who BELIEVE in it's MISSION, but who want to hold them to a standard that, unitl now, they usually met.

          But you're absolutely right (have I EVER said that about one of your posts?!) this is just Limbaugh-obsession-driven drivel.  It's sloppy invective... And that's coming from someone who HATES Limbaugh.  (I despise the man, but I want to see him debunked PROPERLY.  WHY ARE YOU SINKING TO HIS LEVEL OF INTELLECTUAL SLOTH?)

          MMFA - I IMPLORE YOU - stop this sloppy nonsense, and go back to debunking the individual claims, and backing up youru arguments with numerous links to the source materials and the refutations - LIKE YOU HAVE ALWAYS DONE!  You do GOOD WORK.  This demeans you.

          You can give Rush his own section on the site - he's probably earned that dubious distinction, but go after him the way you USED TO, before thie "Limbugh wire nonsense!  DON'T PROVE MISSDEE & COMPANY RIGHT!

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    • Author by jonesjax2374 (March 18, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
         

      I agree somewhat with Nice Guy Eddie. I don't want to read about the whole show.  Rush gets enough press as it is.  He's not THAT interesting.  It's bad enough that a blow-hard college drop out is lecturing on economics, but to see his daily show DIARY is cringe-worthy. 

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 18, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
           

        Can I count one coservative and one liberal that's with me on this then? :)

        Anyone else? 

        This section should go.  It demeans the fine work that's done on the rest of the site.

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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 18, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
             

          Niceguy...I believe you have a point that needs to be looked at

          Better to focus on 1 or 2 of the most ourtageous comments from Ol' Fathead, responding with facts and reducing Rush to Rubble as Media Matters has done so well in the past.

          Focusing on Ol'Fathead's entire show is simply not worthy of the space and labor used up in the process.

          Media Matters is correct to focus on Fathead's show, however.  We all know the damage this crackpot can do.  The approach Media Matter's is using right now, however, I would agree with you, is not as efffective as it could be.

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          • Author by MissDee (March 18, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
               

            What's this week's ingredient in the kool-aid that makes you compelled to use the word "Fathed" in every  paragraph if not every sentence you say?

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            • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 18, 2009 10:58 pm ET)
                 

              Miss Dee,

              I don't like to make disparaging comments about people who are a little overweight--or even a lot overweight.  I don't like that. It's hateful.  Who cares if someone is large or small. 

              That's why I refer to Rush as Ol' FATHEAD.  I'm refering to his head, not his body.  Ol' Fathead is a disgrace--as you've admitted yourself--and a pox on America.  If Ol'Fathead didn't lie so much, I wouldn't refer to him in a derogatory phrase.

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            • Author by jwcoop715110 (March 19, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
                 

              It's flush, little missy. It applies. It's gonna apply tomorrow, too.  Like dimwitted, delusional dittoheads everywhere, ya best get used to it. It's less likely to change than the oxy-moron's act.

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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 19, 2009 8:31 am ET)
               

            I don't care that they are focusing on Limbaugh.  They SHOULD BE.  Every stupid statement the moron makes should get an item here.  (And that would account for a lot of content!) 

            But I think that they need to go back to the method they USED TO use to debunk him with: Put up the quote, show the transcript, link to the video/audio, and then make a well-reasoned, well supported argument to show why it's false (etc...) with links to their supporting documents.  THAT'S the RIGHT WAY.  That's the difference between a critique and an attack.  The difference between measuring against an objective standard and a smear.

            These "Limbaugh Wire" pieces are shallow and meaningless.  Only those who already hate Limbaugh can get anything out of them, and they still won't get anything meaningful.  No moderate would ever be convinced by them.  (They'd be more likely to be convinces that MMFA is just a hit sight - which is just what Limbaugh and O'Rielly claim it to be.)  And yet the OTHER (non-wire) Limbaugh pieces are generally air-tight.

            WHY IS MMFA UNDERMINING IT'S OWN CREDABILITY WITH THIS CRAP?!

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            • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 19, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
                 

              I agree with you Niceguy for the most part, As I stated above.

              Media Matters is right to keep a close eye on Limbaugh but the approach they're taking with the Limbaugh Wire is not the best, as you've very well pointed out.

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    • Author by zamfir273114 (March 18, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
         

      I agree.  This Limbaugh Wire thing gives Limbaugh more press than he needs.  It merely takes specific comments by Limbaugh without looking at the entire comment or its context.  Sure, Limbaugh is "pond scum"; however, if the worst things Limbaugh ever says are the few snippets listed on this site day after day, well, the impression given is that Limbaugh isn't as bad as I thought afterall.  All I can conslude from most of these threads is that Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have VERY different opinions from the mainstream media.  Until he comes out and drops a "nappy-headed-hoe" I think Limbaugh Wire is reaching for more than is there.

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 19, 2009 8:39 am ET)
           

        YES!  Exactly!  Just debunk the stuff you can, and leave the rest to Limabaugh's audience!  If I wanted a summary of the whole show, I'D LISTEN TO IT!  Just debunk all the nonsense you can - using the same method you do with ALL media item.  There shouldn't be any shortage of Limbaugh-related content if they just did that!

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    • Author by Tbone Slickens (March 18, 2009 9:59 pm ET)
         

      Nice Guy Eddie is right on target of course, but....

      Did or didn't Frank call for "Names"?  If he did then this is McCarthyism as most on the left would define it.  What's the next step Barney?  A blacklist of ttraders and bankers that can't work on Wall St.? 

      Slippery slope my friends. 

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 19, 2009 8:37 am ET)
           

        We can debate any issue we want to.  But there is a RIGHT WAY and a WRONG WAY to do it.  And these "Limbaugh Wire" pieces are the wrong WAY to go about it.

        Tbone - you and I disagree a LOT, almost always.  And I despise Limbaugh personally.  But past pieces present objective and verifyiable facts.  These pieces are pure fluff.  Entertaining to read perhaps (if you're a liberal) but they are indefensible as obejective arguments.

        So I can't argue with you at all this time!  MMFA has put up poor content and one of their most ardent defenders (ME) can't do anythign with it!  If this piece were well written and well-supported (like most of their content is) I'd be calling you a kool-aid drinke by now.  But (since I'm not a kool-aid drinker myself) I can't do that.  I've got nothing to work with here!  In my opinion, these L-wire pieces are as indefesible as Limabugh's own show!

        MMFA has demeaned itself with these fluff/hit pieces.  THEY SHOULD GO BACK TO THE OBJECTIVE DEBUNKING OF THIS NONSENSE THAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE!!!  Sitting back and poking fun is no better than what Limbaugh does!

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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (March 19, 2009 10:02 am ET)
             

          I agree with your observations NGEddie and I'll add a couple of more.  It seems over the last three or four months or there has been a shift in focus here. 

          With the County Fair and now L -wire, both in near real time, there seems to be more Headline threads than acutall breakdown and substantive retort.  It does leave the debate up in the air sometimes, especailly if the topic is nuanced in any way. 

          The second thing is why did Alterman leave? Alterman goes to Nation  

          Has there been a change in the guard? 

          I have been coming to MM since late '05 early '06.  I think they excel at framing the debate for your side and, it has forced me (and hopefully like minded folks on the right) to hone our arguments and debate.  I do enjoy coming here and sparing with the calm and rational posters (there seem to be fewer these days) and see what the other side of the isle is up to! 

          I can understand how an entrenched democrat would hate Rush.  I have listened to him on and off for several years and do cringe when he gets bombastic.  I will say this for him.  Love him or hate him, I don't think I've ever seen a person with their finger on the pulse of this nation politically.  You many not agree with what he has to say, but seems that his timelines and predictions seem to be very acurate. 

          I'll get off the soapbox now, I return the floor to you.

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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (March 19, 2009 10:04 am ET)
               

            Ignore spelling and typo's...

            Early, no coffee yet, and the spell check on my MacBook doesn't seem to agree with MMfA's setup.

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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 19, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
                 

              I always ignore typo's / spelling issues.  I'd be the world's biggest hypocrite is I did otherwise! :)

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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 19, 2009 10:36 am ET)
               

            I will certainly miss Alterman, though I like what I've seen from Frisch so far.  I see what you mean about "County Fair" but the quality of the work there is generally better that it is here (in the L-Wires.)  (Though I'm not as crazy about the pieces that just give the video, and no refutation, in many cases those clips just speak for themselves.)  But this "Limbaugh Wire" stuff is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.  It's intellectually lazy, and goes a long way towards vindicating the very criticism that Limbaugh and company had (falsely, until now) been making about this site.

            I'm far from an MMFA critic, but the quality of the work in a lot of these pieces has fallen.  As a SUPPORTED of MMFA's mission, I find that distressing.

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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (March 19, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
           

        Wrong again, T-bone. You are truly a cut or twelve below, little factually-challenged fella.

        Frank called for facts. The lunatic-fringe likes of flush and mccarthy and their dimwitted dittohead disciples avoided 'em like a salad bar. Ya still do.

        Reality. Look into it sometime, little fella.

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