NY Times falsely claimed that Obama "campaigned as an antiwar candidate"
SUMMARY: In a New York Times article, Sheryl Gay Stolberg wrote that President Obama "never served in the military and campaigned as an antiwar candidate." In fact, Obama did not campaign as "an antiwar candidate"; Obama has repeatedly said that he doesn't "oppose all wars" but is opposed to "a dumb war" or "a rash war."
In a March 22 New York Times article, reporter Sheryl Gay Stolberg wrote that President Obama "never served in the military and campaigned as an antiwar candidate." In fact, Obama did not campaign as "an antiwar candidate"; as Media Matters for America has noted, Obama has repeatedly said that he doesn't "oppose all wars" but is opposed to "a dumb war" or "a rash war."
In an October 17, 2001, Chicago Defender article -- a year before his speech declaring his opposition to the Iraq war -- Obama was quoted as saying that a "military response and a criminal investigation" were necessary to "dismantle" terrorist organizations following the September 11, 2001, attacks. Further, in his October 2, 2002, speech, Obama specifically stated: "I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war." In an August 1, 2007, speech, he elaborated on the 2002 speech: "I did not oppose all wars, I said. I was a strong supporter of the war in Afghanistan. But I said I could not support 'a dumb war, a rash war' in Iraq. I worried about a 'U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences' in the heart of the Muslim world." Similarly, in a September 12, 2007, speech, Obama stated that "George Bush was wrong. The people who attacked us on 9/11 were in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Al Qaeda in Iraq didn't exist before our invasion." He later added, "Congress gave the President the authority to go to war. Our only opportunity to stop the war was lost. I made a different judgment. I thought our priority had to be finishing the fight in Afghanistan. I spoke out against what I called 'a rash war' in Iraq. I worried about, 'an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.' "
In a March 19, 2008, speech, moments after Obama stated that "[t]he central front in the war against terror is not Iraq, and it never was," he stated: "[M]y presidency will shift our focus. Rather than fight a war that does not need to be fought, we need to start fighting the battles that need to be won on the central front of the war against al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan."
Additionally, during his August 28, 2008, acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention, Obama again distinguished his opposition to the Iraq war from "finish[ing] the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan":
For while Senator McCain was turning his sights to Iraq just days after 9/11, I stood up and opposed this war, knowing that it would distract us from the real threats we face. When John McCain said we could just "muddle through" in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources and more troops to finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11, and made clear that we must take out Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants if we have them in our sights.
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And today, as my call for a time frame to remove our troops from Iraq has been echoed by the Iraqi government and even the Bush Administration, even after we learned that Iraq has a $79 billion surplus while we're wallowing in deficits, John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war.
That's not the judgment we need. That won't keep America safe. We need a President who can face the threats of the future, not keep grasping at the ideas of the past.
You don't defeat a terrorist network that operates in eighty countries by occupying Iraq. You don't protect Israel and deter Iran just by talking tough in Washington. You can't truly stand up for Georgia when you've strained our oldest alliances. If John McCain wants to follow George Bush with more tough talk and bad strategy, that is his choice -- but it is not the change we need.
We are the party of Roosevelt. We are the party of Kennedy. So don't tell me that Democrats won't defend this country. Don't tell me that Democrats won't keep us safe. The Bush-McCain foreign policy has squandered the legacy that generations of Americans -- Democrats and Republicans -- have built, and we are here to restore that legacy.
As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm's way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.
I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing, so that America is once again that last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.
In a July 14, 2008, New York Times op-ed, Obama wrote, "Ending the war [in Iraq] is essential to meeting our broader strategic goals, starting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban is resurgent and Al Qaeda has a safe haven. Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, and it never has been." He later reiterated: "As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan. We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there. I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq."
From the March 22 New York Times article:
President Obama rarely, if ever, uses the phrase "war on terror." Like presidents before him, Mr. Obama has a top-secret intelligence briefing every day, yet it is not necessarily first on his schedule. And when he sent 17,000 troops to Afghanistan, he announced the news in a written statement, not a public address.
As he heads toward his next big decision as commander in chief -- a new strategy for Afghanistan, to be announced as early as this week -- Mr. Obama, by necessity and temperament, is wearing the role in ways distinctly different from former President George W. Bush.
Mr. Obama, of course, leads in very different times. Mr. Bush forged his identity as commander in chief during the crucible of the Sept. 11 attacks. Mr. Obama faces not only two wars but also a crumbling world economy that his homeland security secretary, Janet Napolitano, has described as a threat to the nation.
But while Mr. Bush often called himself "a war president," that phrase seems to be missing from Mr. Obama's lexicon.
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Now Afghanistan is high on Mr. Obama's agenda, and his new strategy for the war could define his presidency the way Iraq defined Mr. Bush's.
Top Obama aides said last week that they were still deciding how he would make the announcement -- whether in a speech, a White House ceremony or some other setting. If the past two months are any guide, the president, who never served in the military and campaigned as an antiwar candidate, will use the occasion to try to reach out to troops, all while forging a different path from his predecessor.
"After the attacks on 9/11, George Bush talked about the global war on terror as a kind of central theme of his thinking," said Lee H. Hamilton, a Democratic former congressman who was co-chairman of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group and occasionally advises Mr. Obama. "And he viewed all of his actions, including the accumulation of executive power, even the phrase 'enemy combatants,' as flowing from the commander in chief's powers.
"With President Obama, conceptually it is very different."















Q. Why aren't enough people buying our paper?
A. Because, much like a tabloid, we trade in generalities, unresearched and/or unsourced claims and controversies, etc....and People Magazine has better pictures.
A2. We shook in our boardroom boots that we're being perceived as too "liberal" (truth does have a decidedly liberal bias) and the word came down to "Fox" it up. Golly, why don't our regular subscribers understand that?
Sure, as opposed to all the other newspapers here and around the world whose circulation is booming because they just can't print enough of 'em fast enough to match the rate at which the register sings and they fly off the shelf. Sure thing, schmuck.
Newspaper circulation and sales have been flat to declining for the past 25 years. It sure as hell ain't confined to the NYT.
There's been a change in the media business as profound as Gutenberg's printing press. Actually, there's been a series of them.
Western Union doesn't deliver telegrams any longer either. People didn't stop communicating. They just found other better ways to do it. Make a note of it, nitwit.
Get your sorry coalition of the clueless cretin butt some new bogus wingnut nonsense talking points to spew.
Are you defending the NyTimes? Why are you defending the GOP corporatist rag newspapers?
For anyone that isn't sure, I don't think Jwcoop really is defending the times, he's just such a trainwreck in his thought-process, lack of coherence in understanding the points people are trying to make, etc that it's hard to not stop and watch.
This sounds suspiciously like another poster's argument on another thread that says I don't think MSNBC can be attacked, when I am really saying that MSNBC should not be unfairly attacked.
Coop is saying that the NY Times should not be unfairly singled out. And then you go on to say that you didn't really mean it, but you felt like picking on him and this was the best way you could think of to do it!
Of course. They have to portray him as 100% pacifist so that they can later do the Obama Bin Lyin' thing.
Well that's the beuty of it all! The GOP painted his forein policy as "cut-n-run" (even though it wasn't) and the proceeded to criticise it (even though it wasn't.) Now they get to accuse him of going back on what he said (even though he didn't) and they can criticise his anew for not being what they tried to make him out to be (EVEN THOUGH HE WASN'T!!!) Scumbags.
News reports at the time of the campaign called Obama an antiwar candidate. To be fair, the main war we were involved in at the time was a dumb, rash war and everybody knew it.
Being "antiwar" during 2008 was rather like being "pro delicious food."
It's sort of interesting now to frame the term "antiwar" as meaning specifically "against all wars," but I guess if the wingnuts are going to pretend Obama was against all wars (as they pretended he was against all earmarks), it's worth pointing out that he wasn't.
What did anti-war mean in 1968?
What did anti-war mean in 2008?
Either Barry O'Gump is going to sack up and be the CIC, or he is going to slowly let our efforts wither on the vine. He can't have it both ways.
An anti-war rally in 1968 would be against Vietnam. A person who was anti-war in 1968 might be anti-war in 1979, 1988 and 2000 as well. If it's supposed to refer to opposition to a specific war then that needs to be explained. Otherwise it's easily taken to be opposition to war as a rule.
And what the hell are you babbling about? He's sending more troops to Afghanistan, so he's taking the role of CIC and not letting anything wither on the vine. That's exactly what Bush did by diverting our attention to Iraq.
of course Obama campaigned as being antiwar. That war being Iraq. He always contrasted himself against first Hillary as being opposed to Iraq from the get go, and then McCain. Until the economy became the main focus OBama positioned himself as being antiwar. mmfa likes to rewrite history by parsing words, in this case it's ridiculous.
How is MMFA rewriting history. The NYT is the one rewriting history. For Obama to be "anti-war" he would have be against ALL wars. I don't see MMFA parsing anything here.
anti war in the context of the 2008 election was squarely focused on Iraq, and mmfa knows it. Obama was against the invasion from the beginning and made that a cornerstone of his position and debate on that issue. he was anti-Iraq, and since Iraq was the controversial war we are knee deep in, Obama was and is anti war.
But he was FOR increasing troop levels in Afghanistan. Isn't that a war?
But since all you understand is parsing, all the NYT had to do was say Obama ran as the "anti-Iraq War candidate".
See the difference?
Foghorn, will you take a stand right now and declare, loud and proud, that you're Pro-Delicious food?
I will.
I will take a stand and proudly declare that I'm pro-ice cold beer.
Really? I thought it was focused on the war on terror, and Obama's position was the Bush administration screwed that up by sidetracking from Afghanistan where the war on terror was being conducted to Iraq where Bush lied about WMD's to start a 2nd war that had nothing to do with the war on terror.
In case you were napping, Kuchinich and Ron Paul were the anti-war candidates. In fact, the righties were lying about Obama wanting to attack Pakistan.
Seriously? You make the very distinction between "antiwar" and opposing Iraq by specifying "That war being Iraq". But MMfA is in the wrong because they're making the same distinction while pointing out that the NYT is not.
I guess someone who supported every war except one would be classified as "antiwar" in your mind.
Correctamundo.
The NYTimes piece was a well written article defining some differences between Bush and Obama on how they handle the military situation.
mmfa takes five words "campaigned as an antiwar candidate" from the article and tries to turn it into an anti-Obama piece.
For those that want their outrage spoon fed to them...then this is a perfect example of mmfa parsing words to dish out the raw meat for the sycophants.
For those capable of feeding themselves...they've read the link to the NYTimes and probably found it balanced and enlightening.
couldn't have said it better myself Wesley.
Please demonstrate how they try to turn it into an anti-Obama piece. What did they do besides pointing out the misinformation of labeling Obama an "antiwar" candidate?
Why is it "misinformation" to be "anti-war"? The President was against the Iraq war from the start . Instead should they say that he campaigned as the "Anti Iraq War" candidate. This really is confusing me how being labeled anti war is a bad thing. Especially after 8 years of seeing what War does to a nation.
They should say that he campaigned as opposing the Iraq war, yes. "Antiwar" can refer to a specific war, but absent of context making that distinction it carries the impression of opposing war as a rule.
Opposing war is somewhat of a negative because there are situations where war is justified and necessary. And in this particular case, it makes Obama look inconsistent because the article is about sending troops to Afghanistan.
Ok, good exlanation. Thank you
Also, by saying "anti-war", it gins up the rabid righties in their misguided belief that Obama is pro-military failure.
The piece just skimmed the surface of differences. Well see if anyone takes the bit to complain that he ran as an anti war candidate to see if this will have a run in the echo chamber.
Sycophants? Really? Not to broad a brush there um?
"mmfa takes five words "campaigned as an antiwar candidate" from the article and tries to turn it into an anti-Obama piece."
Here a condensed version of President "Antiwar" Obama's Oct. 2002 speech:
"I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances...
I don't oppose all wars...
I don't oppose all wars...
I don't oppose all wars...
What I am opposed to is a dumb war...
What I am opposed to is a rash war...
That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics...
I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars..."
nobody with a lick of sense takes it literally when said of a serious presidential candidate that they are antiwar means they oppose every war, regardless of circumstances. sorry if you think so.
And noboby with a lick of sense can call Obama "antiwar" based on what he said during the presidential debates:
"We have seen Afghanistan worsen, deteriorate. We need more troops there...
...And right now, the commanders in Afghanistan, as well as Admiral Mullen, have acknowledged that we don't have enough troops to deal with Afghanistan because we still have more troops in Iraq than we did before the surge."
when I hear Obama being called the antiwar candidate I know perfectly well it is in reference to Iraq, if you don't then you're either clueless or obstinate, take your pick
Ah yes, ye olde personal insults - and two to choose from! Your old, tired word parsing is, well, old and tired.
But the fact remains:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3434573&page=1
"Antiwar" is a CLUELESS way to refer to how Obama campaigned.
Nobody does it better, Makes me feel sad for the rest. Nobody parses quite the way you do, baby you're the best.
James B, are you the poster formally known as Tommy? C.mon, I won't tell ;-)
liberals and this website are the parsing champs, not me. I am flattered when people think I am Tommy, and I don't particularly care what I am called here, it's immaterial to the subject matter. No, I am not, but if you want to call me that, do it. hopefully he will post soon, he has not lately that I have seen.
I see you do not use contractions, so maybe you are not Tommy. Anway, just askin', baby doll. ;-)
people study posts that closely? not a problem, just answered'
Glad to see you back dude. ;-)
It's not the people with a lick of snese that we are worried about. You don't need a lick of sense to vote. Many people who watch Hannitty and Orally don't have a lick of snese.
"campaigned as an antiwar candidate"
I guess if you really try to make your point that if you take one speech 8 years prior to the 'campaign' beiung referred to in the article then yes you might find a statement that is misaligned with, in this case, acient history. Great, convincing argument - NOT!
If you think "We need more troops" (Obama in '08) is a new antiwar cry, then god bless you, Sparky.
Your math is a little off. It was actually 6 years prior to the campaign, but anyway...
Ancient history? This speech was made on the eve of the Iraq invasion, and the occupation, last I checked, is still going on.
The Iraq war may be ancient to you, but its legacy of problems is still very fresh for a great many Americans.
I hate to keep confusin' ya with the facts, little fella, but the War in Iraq has more than a bit to do with why we're in the economic fix shrub put us in and the worst shape since gop incompetence and cluelessness gave us the Great Depression.
Iraq is an economic issue. Make a note of it.
What is so wrong with being anti war?
as i recall there was a particular congresswoman, the only one i believe at the time, who when the act of war was being voted on by congress.....voted against it, and man did she catch hell for it......but then again she was consistently against war period. and now she is looked on more kindly than she was back then
I am anti- war and proud of it.
The Presidents "Anti War" stance on Iraq was one of the top reasons i voted for him and supported him.
Now all of a sudden being Anti War is a bad thing according to MMFA?
I am confused.
Anti war is a conveinient club for certain elements, which translate it to mean wimp. if you voted for him on that basis, you voted mistakenly.
I voted for him because the Iraq war was important to me. I never thought anyone who opposes a war like the Iraq war is a wimp. Never thought good people like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd were wimps.
MMFA has to take this stance otherwise the next step is for the right to call BHO on going back on a promise when he reaise Afghan troop levels. You see, by making his campaign promises perfect fence sitting they can work the media to their liking.
Why are we surprised by normal politics (a place where logic rarely exists)?
Yes, do you see how MMFA cleverly takes Obama's exact words and uses them to imply that he was not against all wars? How illogical is that!
That would be like the old liberal canard that there's such a thing as "gray" which is somehow neither black nor white. Preposterous!
The issue is that President Obama is not 'anti war'. He wasn't in 2002:
"Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances...."
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama%27s_Iraq_Speech
Nor did he campaign as being 'anti war'.
nobody in their right mind thinks that being labeled antiwar means one opposes every war. Look at the way the phrase was used in the 60's as it related to Vietnam? Everyone knew it meant you were opposed to that war being waged at that time, its context is understood to mean the war we are actively engaged in, not some blanket opposition to every war, past or present.
You can't parse what "antiwar" means.
How about the fact that the article in question mentioned that we're fighting in two wars at the same time? Why does a reader assume that "antiwar" is specific to one of the two wars?
Just keep ignoring the fact that we're also involved in a war in Afghanistan. The president has said all through the campaign and during his time in office that he's going to increase troop levels in Afghanistan.
Aren't we "actively engaged" there?
you may have a point, but it is still widely perceived that Iraq is the war in which the context lies. Afghanistan was never anywhere near the controversy that Iraq still is, everyone knows that - so for anyone to be antiwar regarding Afghanistan is few, if any. you can't compare them in that way.
"...so for anyone to be antiwar regarding Afghanistan is few, if any."
Hence the problem. It makes it sound as if he is one of those few.
Yeah, widely perceived by those who don't know what the heck they're talking about.
jeannette ranking. james look her name up and see what pops up.
short version, she was a lifelon pacifist and the congresswoman who voted against the decleration of war in world war ii.
she also voted against the war declaration in world war i.
i would think that this would be the textbooks definition of being against all war.
jeannette ranking
Slight correction: It's Rankin, not Ranking.
It is a fairly consistent opposition to war. A lot of anti war people from the 60's opposed Gulf war 1 and 2. Many Republicans opposed Kosovo but they couldn't realistically be called anti war.
MMFA is not saying it is bad to be anti war. They are just stating that it is an incorrect assertion. He supports increased troops in what he believes is a just war and therefore he is not anti war he is anti un just war.
This reporter should be fired for being so damn lazy on facts.
If nothing else, they could fire him for not reading the NYTs Op-Ed pages:
My Plan for Iraq
By BARACK OBAMA
Published: July 14, 2008
As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan. We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there. I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html
Overall the article was fair to Obama but I can see why Media Matters flagged this one. Saying Obama campaigned as an anti-war candidate is at best a poor choice of words. The only candidate who campaigned as anti-war was Dennis Kucinich. (That's not a criticism of him. I happen to like Kucinich and think we'd be better off if there were more people like him in Congress.) I'm willing to accept this as a poor choice of words but it also could be the start of another one of those Obama-is-breaking-his-campaign-promises memes.
Well stated.
As well the juxtaposition of "never served in the military" and "campaigned as an antiwar candidate" is obviously intended to raise ire in those wingnuts who think Bush's "expedited" induction into the TXANG (and incomplete term of service)somehow exempts him from the chickenhawk label.
I'm sorry and I don't think I've ever said this before about an MMFA post, but I think this is utterly silly.
I just can't imagine that there is more than a tiny handful of people who would equate being called "antiwar" with being labeled a pacifist. (If they do, then there are a bunch of generals who they'd say are pacifists, since military brass are often heard to say "I hate war as much as anyone.")
In the context of an election, "antiwar" is always understood to mean opposition to the current war and in 2008 that was Iraq - and no, it was not Afghanistan because during that campaign Afghanistan was an afterthought in the public mind.
Except the article itself was talking about Afghanistan, so in that context it's not an afterthought.
in that context it's not an afterthought
Yes it is, because the "antiwar" label was used in the past tense ("campaigned") to refer to his position as a candidate - at which time Afghanistan was an afterthought.
So in the context to which it was applied - Obama's stance as a candidate - the term "antiwar" would be taken by almost everyone the way it was clearly intended: to say he was against the Iraq War.
We could get into fine points of just how against a given war one need be to be considered "antiwar" or if being opposed to it on practical rather than ethical/moral grounds matters and so on, and that would all be very interesting and probably enlightening, but none of that would change the fact that this particular MMFA item is silly.
"Yes it is, because the "antiwar" label was used in the past tense ("campaigned") to refer to his position as a candidate - at which time Afghanistan was an afterthought."
No, because it's in the article about Afghanistan which people are reading now. The whole point is that it implies he was against Afghanistan, and the actual truth of the matter doesn't change that implication. That's why it's misinformation.
And why does Obama need to try to reach out to troops, as it said in that very sentence? It suggests that Obama was anti-military, which makes it difficult to interpret "antiwar" as specific to Iraq.
All they have to do is specify an opposition to Iraq instead of "antiwar". It's not a lot to ask, is it?