Did O'Reilly violate his own ambush rules?
SUMMARY: According to the O'Reilly Factor website, Bill O'Reilly will address "why ... the far left, in cahoots with NBC News, hurt a rape victim and her family." The post appears to be a reference to an "ambush" interview of the Center for American Progress' Amanda Terkel reportedly conducted by Factor producer Jesse Watters. But O'Reilly has previously suggested that the "ambush journalism" conducted by his producers is limited to targeting "public servants" and stated that prior to those "ambush" interviews, subjects would either be asked on the program or asked "to issue a clear statement explaining their actions."
According to a summary posted on the website of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, on the program's March 23 edition, host Bill O'Reilly will address "why ... the far left, in cahoots with NBC News, hurt a rape victim and her family." The post appears to be a reference to an "ambush" interview of Center for American Progress deputy research director Amanda Terkel reportedly conducted by Factor producer Jesse Watters. In a March 1 post to the blog ThinkProgress, Terkel noted that O'Reilly was scheduled to speak at a fundraiser for the rape survivors group Alexa Foundation and wrote that he "has made controversial comments about an 18-year-old woman, Jennifer Moore, who was raped and murdered, implying that it was partially her fault." In a March 23 post, Terkel wrote: "This weekend, while on vacation, I was ambushed by O'Reilly's top hit man, producer Jesse Watters, who accosted me on the street and told me that because I highlighted O'Reilly's comments, I was causing 'pain and suffering' to rape victims and their families." But O'Reilly has previously suggested that the "ambush journalism" conducted by his producers is limited to targeting "public servants" and stated that prior to those "ambush" interviews, subjects would either be asked on the program or asked "to issue a clear statement explaining their actions."
Terkel stated in her March 23 post that "O'Reilly never asked me for a statement nor invited me on his show" prior to her "ambush" interview by Watters; indeed, she wrote that after the ambush, "we contacted Watters and Loren Hynes, who works in Media Relations at Fox." She added: "We have yet to receive a response from them, or anyone else at the network, on Saturday's incident."
On the August 23, 2007, edition of his program, O'Reilly asserted:
O'REILLY: "Back of the Book" segment tonight: ambush journalism. As you may know, the Factor occasionally sends out producers to confront people who will not answer serious questions about controversial things they do, like judges giving child rapists probation, for example.
Now, some object to displays like these. But we feel they're a vital tool in holding public servants accountable for their actions, and we do not go after people lightly. We always ask them on the program first or to issue a clear statement explaining their actions.
From the website of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
From Terkel's March 23 post:
This weekend, while on vacation, I was ambushed by O'Reilly's top hit man, producer Jesse Watters, who accosted me on the street and told me that because I highlighted O'Reilly's comments, I was causing "pain and suffering" to rape victims and their families. He of course offered no proof to back up this claim, instead choosing to shout questions at me.
I expect O'Reilly to air this "interview" at some point this week, possibly as early as tonight. I have no expectation that he will show the entire altercation or give the entire story about what happened, so here is the full account, offering a glimpse inside the O'Reilly harassment machine:
-- The Stalking: Watters and his camera man accosted me at approximately 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, March 21, in Winchester, VA, which is a two-hour drive from Washington, DC. My friend and I were in this small town for a short weekend vacation and had told no one about where we were going. I can only infer that the two men staked out my apartment and then followed me for two hours. Looking back, my friend and I remember seeing their tan SUV following us for much of the trip.
-- The Ambush: Shortly after checking into our lodgings, we emerged and immediately saw two men walking toward us calling out my name. Watters said he was from Fox News, but never said his or his companion's name, nor did he say he was with The O'Reilly Factor.
-- The Surprise Attack: Watters immediately began asking me why I was causing "pain and suffering" to the Alexa Foundation. He never gave me the context for his questions. Confused, I repeatedly asked him what he was talking about and whether he could refresh my memory, but he just continued shouting his question.
-- The Evasion: I said that it was inappropriate for O'Reilly to imply that just because a woman may be drunk and/or dressed in a certain way, she should expect to be raped. Watters asked me whether I had listened to the interview (which I had) and claimed that O'Reilly had made the comments in the context of a commentary on Mel Gibson/drunkenness. When I tried to ascertain why he was attacking ThinkProgress in particular -- even though other sites had also covered the story -- he said that we were part of the "smear pipeline," which also included the "Soros-funded" Media Matters. He ignored my comments when I asked if Fox News also smears people.
-- Setting A Guilt Trap: Watters ended the charade by demanding that I look into the camera and apologize to the Alexa Foundation and rape victims. I told them that I don't speak through Fox News and if someone from the Alexa Foundation would like to personally call me, I'd be happy to speak with that person.
-- More Stalking: The camera man then continued to film me as I walked down the block. After a few minutes while I waited at the light to cross the street, Watters called him back and they left.
This weekend, we contacted Watters and Loren Hynes, who works in Media Relations at Fox. We have yet to receive a response from them, or anyone else at the network, on Saturday's incident.
The main issue remains: O'Reilly should offer an apology/explanation of why, when a woman is raped and murdered, it's relevant what she was wearing or how much she was drinking. O'Reilly never asked me for a statement nor invited me on his show before sending Watters to harass me. Since I'm a 5 ft, 100 pound woman with an opinion that he doesn't like, perhaps O'Reilly believes I deserve to be treated this way.
And we are just suppose to accept this story as fact because she says so? Obviously you do. What O'reilly is trying to point out is that if you dress povacatively, and get drunk you are opening the door to an assault/rape. That does not make it right, nor does it make the womans fault, it is simply a FACT. I am interested in seeing the story on the factor because I am willing to bet she does not answer ANY questions, far left libs rarely do, especialy when they are caught!
"Pointing out" that what a rape/murder victim was wears and being drunk "opens the door to an assualt", you are in fact assigning at least partial blame to the victim for being raped and murdered. Do you actually think a normal person can be provoked to rape and murder. Perhaps, this is a reflection of what you think of yourself? If you are not actually calling yourself a psychopath, you are, at the very least, incredibly naive.
You are an idiot my friend.
A woman should be able to be drunk, walk down the street in the middle of the night naked, and NOT expect to be raped or assaulted. Doesn't matter how you dress, or how drunk you are, you are not "asking" for it, and it doesn't, or shouldn't open the door.
What she should answer a question about? Bring her on the show, Bill is a coward, and again, you're an idiot.
Did you even read what I wrote? I agree with what you say, people "should" be safe wherever they go, whatever they do, however, it is a FACT that there are sick people out there and dressing provacatively attracts these people. YOU are the IDIOT if you do not realise this. You SHOULD be able to walk the streets of south central LA and not expect to become a victim of gang violence, you SHOULD be able to go to Detroit without fear of becoming another crime statistic, REALITY is, you CAN NOT, and SHOULD NOT! Terkel would not have the guts to go on O'reilly! So I am not sure if YOU are the idiot, or just EXTREMELY naive!
Well, for "far left libs" to answer questions, they first have to be invited on the show and asked them and then allowed to answer them. The reich usually don't invite them on to get their side, and on the rare occasion they do they keep shouting over the answer or go with "cut his mike" to keep the answer from ever being heard. You people are really fact challenged, aren't you?
You obviously do not watch O'reilly, except for the clips you see on your far left sights. If you did you would see NUMEROUS libs, and you would here the invites go out to people who do not have the guts to go on the show. I have not heard O'reilly say "cut his mike" in a very long time. When he has done that it is because the person is not answering the quetion asked and is refusing to do so, they instead want to change the subject. You are the one who is "fact challenged" because you get your "facts" from this site and other left wing arenas.
Yeah, like Jeremy Glick...
Newt is absoulutly right, couldent have said it any better my self.
Newt2012: Not everyone lies, like Bill O'Reilly. He is the worst type of hypocrite out there. He has delusions of grandeur and it's unbelievable how he calls his show "the no spin zone" -- he spins everything to make him look good and those who agree with him look bad.
Sorry, but dressing provacatively and getting drunk does not invite rape or assault. That is not a fact. If you have the facts, provide them! Rape is about power not sex; women dressed in unflattering clothes can be victims of rape just as easily as those who aren't.
This mentality is just shameful!
Bill O'Reilly is a disgrace and just gives the respectable right a bad name.
wow.....you must be the brother or cousin of cheney 2012.
so just because a woman drinks she is asking for it? or if she dresses a certain way she is asking for it? your as insensitive as billo. what a stance to take
What part of "that does not make it right, nor does it make it the womans fault" did you not understand? If I walked down the streets of south central LA, waving a wad of money around, would I not be opening the door to a mugging? Is it right that children simply being children opens the door to pedophiles? The fact of the matter is, there are sick people out there, and your personal behavior/actions can and will open the door to these sick people, that is a FACT. Again, does not make it right, and I never said it did.
You tell them newt. I like your amsweres.
Quick question, are "far left libs" humans in your opinion? I see folks trot that expression out as though they are talking about an alien race that is invading the Earth or something. Perhaps you could accept the FACT that we are not all alike and just because we have different opinions does not make us any less human.
Well, it is kinda like the "far left" calling conservatives/republicans, "neocons" "the reich" and worse, or "scumbags" and worse. Try reading the comments on this site from people who get their "facts" from the "far left". Not only are they not facts, but,these people are obviously towing the line for the "far left". Have you called them out for their comments? There is a HUGE differance between "far left" and "moderate left". I happen to be an independent who is willing to listen to any rational opinion, key word "rational". The far left is anything but. And, yes this country is being invaded by "far left" ideology that goes completely against the principles this country was founded on. The "far left" are definately humans, but, in my OPINION, not very good humanbeings. I hope you will start applying the same standards of treating people with different opinions as humans to the "far left".
Well said.
In my opinion barely. Trators would come closer.
Newt,
Explain "opening the door" in your post. How do you reconcile that statement with your next one? How does someone who opens the door to something happening not have any fault once it happens?
They do not have "fault" because they did not go out with a sign that says "rape and kill me". They are simply oblivious to the fact that there are sick people in the world who see a provacatively dressed woman and think, "oh she wants it". Being drunk on top of it makes it easier for these people to see them as easy prey. Again, does not make it right, but it is a FACT. Just as an unlocked car door with the keys in the in the ignition is an easy target for a car thief. Is it the owners "fault"? No. They are simply naive to the world we live in. Maybe if the far left would stop coming to the aid of violent criminals and trying to "rehabilitae" them, we would live in a safer world, until that happens people need to be aware of the things that make them targets.
Wow, Newt, do you feel the same about criminals who have been convicted of DUIs too?
My criticism of O'Reilly is that he didn't bash the sicko. He didn't say that the sicko was a horrible person, but rather said that the girl was giving off all of the signals.
Why didn't he just say that this event was tragic and that no one should be subject to this?
I like that you take every chance you can to demonize the "far left." If those on the "far left" didn't believe in rehabilitation, our last president would not have been considered a functioning member of society and our VP with his two DUIs would have been cast out too.
On second thought, maybe we do try to rehabilitate too many, eh ;)?
Notice the word "violent" before "criminals" in my posting. Try reading before you write! I do not need to demonise the far left as their actions in defending VIOLENT criminals and pedophiles does it for them!
DUIs could cause death, Newt. You defended the violent criminal by saying that anyone "opened the door" to such treatment. NO ONE opens the door to being raped and killed.
You obviously do not live in "reality". I do not and would defend any violent criminal. If I had my way, once they are convicted, they would never again see the light of day. it is crazy liberals who want to rahabilitate them and let them free and "see what happens". The recent police killings in Oakland is a good example, violent criminal out on parole. Of course, you crazy libs probably see the death of police officers as a good thing. By the way look up the word "violent", the definition does not include "could cause death". When you get out of your bubble, or possible psychosis, feel free to join me in the REAL world!
Bush and Cheney may have had their bouts with drinking and DUI's but I don't recall any of them leading to the death of a young woman, that is a distinction for "the lion of the Senate" who went home and went to bed. In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight, and a young woman dies. Maybe you are right about the rehab thing.
So, you think she should have to answer some questions because she exposed O'Reilly's comments about rape victims? Why isn't BillO expected to answer questions about his Neanderthal and misogynistic stance regarding rape victims?
It seems hypocritical to me that O'Reilly has the gall to speak to a group dedicated to helping rape victims when, sounds to me, he holds the victims personally responsible for what happened to them. I'm thankful that Ms. Terkel exposed him & not giving her a chance to appear on his show before sending his producer to harass her, is evidence of his character. Or lack thereof.
True, but...
It's gonna be even more fun watching K.O. tear B.O. a new A-hole.
damnit David shuster was on last night....i was soo hoping for a WPITW
Me too. I usually don't mind Shuster - but I was looking forward to a good WPITW last night....
Damn it, Keith. Quit taking time off, even though you deserve it!
probably coundn't get a flight back to NYC
O'Liely is scum.
This is laugh out loud funny.
Uh...what exactly are you "LOLing" at?
Studs Terkel.
I had a feeling you wouldn't be able to explain what you find so funny about this.
Maybe it's one of those nervous laughs the little guy let's out during an ambush.
Maybe he's laughing at Jesse Watters' lack of tenacity. He only persued Terkel for two hours.
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what is funny? are you defending o'reilly and his tactics? defending what he said about a rape/murder victim?
Better yet, might I suggest that, if approached by Mr. Walters, one should reply with the famous "Have you no sense of decency?" remark which, in effect, ended the Army-McCarthy Hearings in June of 1954.
And be ready to call the police for Harrassment, Unwarranted Invasion of Privacy, Stalking, Trespass, Infliction of Emotional Harm and Related Conspiracies.
am i missing something? who is the rape victim and her family? the woman who was murdered? if so, i'm sure they were upset by o'reilly.
I don't remember Jennifer Moore's family making a public statement regarding O'Reilly blaming Jennifer for her demise. If there was one, I can't find it.
i'm just asking if that is who the o'reilly website is talking about, the one who was "hurt", along with her family? if it is, he was the one that trashed her.
i don't think there was one.....if it were me i would be too shocked and furious to do so.
It's the girl from the "For the love of Alexa" group. She was so traumatized by the protest groups that formed because of the person who was ambushed actions that she had to quit her job!
Jon Stewart Rips Bill O'Reilly Over Hypocrisy On Privacy (VIDEO)
That video is amazing.
That....was....AWESOME!!
He attacks MMFA all the time and David Brock has asked to go on his show a few times. Where's the invite Bill?
What's super awesome is that Bill is mad at Terkel for "hurting" the rape victim by pointing out WHAT O'REILLY SAID!
Yes, I am aware that typing in all caps means yelling.
-- The host of The O'Reilly Factor on the Fox News Channel was the featured speaker at a noontime benefit for the It Happened to Alexa Foundation at The Ritz-Carlton...
The organization is named for Alexa Branchini, , who in 1999 was raped in her Boston University dormitory...
Alexa Branchini opened the luncheon with a personal word of thanks to O'Reilly..."It is with deep gratitude that I welcome him today," she said. -- Palm Beach Daily
See, her judgment got questioned. She invited a guy who had suggested another rape victim had some responsibility in her getting raped because of the skimpy clothes she was wearing.
The protesters questiioned her judgment and she found it very upsetting, and so the person who helped spark those protests is the guilty one.
Oh I see, the people doing the protesting are innocent and the person supporting a group the helps rape victims is the guilty one. Brilliant reasoning! Actually reasoning is probably the wrong word to use. But it does show the despicible lenghts that the sensitive left will go to get at their political opponents. These people are real role models. Almost as bad as code pink protesting at funerals, real classy progressives. Aren't you so very proud of your comrades in arms. And a young girl , drunk and wandering around under the West Side Hy at 2 AM is just stupid, have you ever been there? Do you know what it is like? Perhaps pointing out that stupid behavior will save someone else from the same fate. But of course it is better to be PC and not say anything. How noble and so very progressive. And as I watched the interview I was taken by the fact that the Fox producer did not shout as Terkel had claimed, so I wonder what other lies were in her statement.
Your statement that "code pink protests funerals" is total bull. You are confusing code pink with the Rev Fred Phelps, the Church nut from Kansas. The rest of your posts are suspect if you engage in outright lies like this one.
and what if it was your daughter?
If it was my daughter, I would teach her a little about personal responsibility and how not to put herself in vulnerable situations, and hope she would listen. And also let her know that she could call me any time of the day or night to come and get her. And if I saw a case like this , I would point it out to her, in the hope it would re-enforce what I was saying. Perhaps if someone had done so for her, she might still be alive. So I guess you support the people who protested at this event, do you have any comment about them. And are you comforted by the fact that it was this poor girl's right to be drunk and wandering around at 2 AM in a dangerous place. Do you even know the area involved? Was it smart behavior?
stupid behavior or not......is not the issue with me.
its what billo said.
im curous what your fellings are if this was said about your daughter
Of course it does not matter to you. It was her right to do it. And how about the next one and the next one. And if a similar fate happened to my daughter, I would try to use her death as a wake up to others in the hopes of preventing another tragedy.
what do you not get here, seriously.....i never said it was her right to do whatever she did. your making up something i never said.
how many times do i have to say it? my problem is with what he himself had said on his radio show.
and i doubt that if billo the clown had said the same thing about your own daughter, that you would defend him. cause if it were me, id wanna punch him.
as for protests......it doesn't matter to me, its their right to do so. i may not agree with them doing it, but i don't think they shouldn't be allowed to not protest something they believe in. what they do is their business
Thats right , it does not matter that they disrupt a function raising money for victims of rape, it is their right to do so. I guess because the victim of rape thanked O'Reilly that makes her evil too. And disrupting families as they bury their dead , that is OK too. Yes, the very enlightened left.
ok, whatever your smoking pass it over please.
i don't personally care what someone is protesting about. my issue was only with what billo said. and the fact that despite his comments he was allowed to speak at this group. now if those in attendence support him, thats their business. i never said nor implied that im supporting those groups protesting. that was cooked up by you. you wanna keep this up be my guest your only showing how idiotic you are
Are you saying that the deceased rape victim thanked Bill O'Reilly, after she was killed? Source?
Back up your claim about Code Pink demonstrating at funerals or take you bullsh_t somewhere else.
And if she didn't listen, FL, what then?
Back up your claim about Code Pink demonstrating at funerals or take you bullsh_t somewhere else.
I've been googling and nothing comes up except a few posts on websites where people got Code Pink mixed up with Fred Phelp's Westboro Baptist Church.
Hello people, I'm Kevin from Ireland and long story short, I've been ihn a computer course and when I've been bored I've started looking up different newssites around the world.
And characters like Limbaugh and Coulter have caught my attention, I mean they are kinda messed up in the head ha ha, how are they allowed to be portrayed as "serious" journalists, they're comedians right?
Anyway I wandered onto O Reilly's programme tonight, and saw this bit and then went and checked out the radio clip from his website, see I made a bit of an effort ha ha.
And I mean, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and say he is someone who doesn't like drinking alcohol, (nothing wrong with that), and was not trying to say what she was wearing was what caused her to be murdered (RIP), but regardless whether you think he did or did'nt, I don't understand how anyone sees it as alright how he would bring up that story like that.
I mean form what I remember, please correct me if I'm wrong, but after he spoke about it, he was saying how no other journalist reports on drinking alcohol, and it just seems like he's using her as some moral high ground, which is horrible. I could'nt help but think how Jennifer Moore's friend felt, she left her friend, of course drunk, and I can only barely imagine how she must've felt when she found out what happened to her, maybe how guilty she might've felt at leaving her, so the last thing I'd personally wanna hear is someone saying, "well those girls were drunk", "moronic girls", in an arrogant tone.
Sorry for the rambling, but I can't believe thats allowed really, and a quick question, is this a one off from him, or is there any other ridicolously funny statements from this fella?
P.S Just remembered, Glenn Beck, God he's annoying! He comes off as really needy or something, like if he tells enough "jokes" someone might like him.
Sorry for the long post, hope I did'nt break any rules now
well kevin as a regular poster on here i must say this. WELL DONE. that was excellent
Very nice, Kevin.
Welcome to MMfA!
Oh actually I might aswell ask, in Ireland we get Fox news CNN, and NBC, and I presume the first two are conservative and NBC liberal.
Now O Reilly and Hannity are entertaining, but I would like to see a liberal side to a story aswell as just always relying on Fox news, which could result in my views on a story becoming warped from only one side of a story.
So, is there any famous liberal talk show hosts , as famous as O Reilly or Hannity, for good or bad reasons that I could check out for just a different perspective. I would like to scrutinize any liberal "O Reilly" so to speak so I won't be just criticizing republicans without getting some facts.
I've only heard of Olberman, but I believe he's on MSNBC, and so would'nt be able to watch.
Thanks for the welcome
Hi Kevin,
You might try checking these folks out on the MSNBC website. There they should have links to Olberman and Maddow. They are pretty good - sometimes a bit far-reaching, but usually that's to make a point.
As for other news sources, I usually try to catch BBC or Deutsche Welle. To me, they're pretty reliable.
Yeah, that's why his ratings are so high. I think most americans have had enough of the far left. I am willing to bet most of the people commenting on this issue, on this site, did not even watch Bill O last night. I do not expect them to because he is not a far left idealogue.
And yet, how many have the guts to say as much openly?
(Which, IMHO, is what matters.)
In any case, "it's time." Especially before O'Reilly follows the same path "Lord Haw-Haw" (t/n William Joyce) took to his eventual demise.
Well said MrR, but it is just typical behavior of the very sophisticated progressive movement. Victims be damned, we must make our point!
What of Jennifer Moore and O'Reilly's postmortem treatment of her? Victims be damned?
How would you classify her behavior? He did not blame Moore, but pointed out her behavior was stupid at best and a magnet for the predators in that area. Are you familiar with the area? I am.
Out of repect for Moore's family, I will not "classify" the behavior of someone who died a horrible death at the hands of others and cannot defend herself. Only cowards engage in such slander.
And pointing out that her behavior was foolish and stupid might save the next young girl from the same fate but obviously that is not important to you. You would rather take the opportunity to get BO, how noble of you.
You, are blaming the victim, just as O'Reilly is doing here.
Don't tell me. Tell Jennifer Moore's family.
and if this was your daughter.....how would you feel if o'reilly had made that comment?
My how you want to deflect the criticism. My comments went to the MMFA and the bloggers that are so ready to raise a rucus over "stalking editors" when lives were ruined and a rape victim and her family harassed. I don't care who does it, and if BO did it as well I would write and condemn anyone who uses rape victims to make a point.
Pete, I want to thank you for resembling my remarks and proving my point.
Both of you are out of your mind! wait you have to have one before you can loose it. Blaming the victim and then when called on it claiming to be the victim seems to be O'liely and the rights tactic. But this wasn't the first time, he also blamed the young boy that had been kidnapped and raped for years as somehow complacent in his abuse. Then lets talk about Andrea Mackris and his out of court settlement to her for sexual harassment,, the sordid details can be found on the internet but let me rehash some of the details. He called her while masturbating and she heard a vibrator in the background,he boasted about knowing how to teach women to masturbate and urged her to use a vibrator,he boasted of his sexual exploits, particularly about his experiences with Thailanese hookers. How about the "falfel"(sic,loofa bill) thing, anyway for you to come here and lambast MMFA and posters here, while defending such a creep says more about you and the power of the brain to deny and also rationalize the most heinous atrocities and crimes.Where is the outrage of picking on a helpless person?" Which helpless person are you talking about? You mean this helpless person. "...
No doubt O'Reilly is still reeling from the embarrassment of a previous case where his grotesquely insensitive remarks came back to haunt him: namely, the Shawn Hornbeck incident, in which O'Reilly first suggested that a boy who had been kept a captive of a child molester for years had somehow "wanted it." As it happened, he was scheduled to speak before a conference for the families of missing kids. The ensuing uproar didn't subside until his appearance was cancelled. Maybe your talking about the reporter that called him out for his hyprocrisy only to be harassed and followed because she dared speakout against your prized Thug!. There are alot of innocent helpless victims but only the lowest fool would consider O'leily one of them. That you would think that women ask to be raped tortured and murdered is disgusting. No one deserves what happened to her. Beaten and strangled by a petty pimp in an out of jail on drug and other violations while his prostitute lover watched , afterward quickly trying to dispose of the body by dumping it in a trash bin and O'liely says she was asking for it, and you defend him, claiming he's the victim? Your the sicko's.
I was responding to fairliberal and Mr.worldly.
victiims be damnned? HAVE YOU GONE MENTAL?
So , do you support the people who protested at this Alexa event? , how about the code pink animals who protest at funerals? Apparently you do.
Both you and WorldlyMrR have advocated for "rape of a close friend or family member" of the people who post here and the people at Media Matters. You are both morally and ethically bankrupt.
No we are ethically bankrupt but many like you are because you take great glee from a situation in which lives were ruined. It is so easy to sit behind your desk and type on your little keyboards - but because you have not experienced the pain that goes with a rape you stand ready to trivialize the ssue for a chance to attack Fox. As I said before, how shallow. You would not defend MMFA on this matter if you had expereinced that pain as I have.
You simply do not know the people whose family members you would like to see raped. And even if you did, you'd still be morally and ethically bankrupt for such sick and depraved advocacy.
well you are certainly are correct in one thing....you ARE ethically bankrupt.
Boo f***ing hoo.
You know, as well as everyone else here, that your argument supporting O'Reilly has no merit.
O'Reilly blames the victim instead of the sick perpetrator of this heinous crime. How could you not see that (unless you're ethically and morally bankrupt). You prove it each day with your inane comments.
"...but because you have not experienced the pain that goes with a rape you stand ready to trivialize the ssue for a chance to attack Fox. As I said before, how shallow. You would not defend MMFA on this matter if you had expereinced that pain as I have." - WorldlyMrR
Obviously it was the victim's fault in your rape experience. Just ask O'Reilly.
what does it matter if they protested.....its their right.
my problem is that billo is going to speak at a group that tries to help rape victims after the comments he had made on his radio show.
answer me this....how would you feel if that was your daughter that was raped and killed and billo said that about your kid. would you be singing the same tune?
As for my daughter , I have already answered that. BO was invited to speak, is it not their right to have the speaker of their choice and a person who has helped them in the past? You lefties are great with rights, when they are yours anyway. The opposition, lets shut them up.
Right on cue, drag out the empty First Amendment argument.
Did the police come in and haul O'Reilly away? No? Then there's no question that they have the right to have him speak there. Others have the right to protest that. Do you really not comprehend that you're basically telling those that object to O'Reilly's appearance to shut up?
hey if they want to have billo speak to their group fine, i think it was a bad choice and i have said why it was. his comments were insensitive. weather or not he was correct is not the issue, its the way he said it. there are many ways something could be said. billo could have chosen his words with greater care and he didn't. and thats the problem i have with this.
"weather or not he was correct is not the issue, its the way he said it."
I concur. If it's something you would not want to say in the presence of Jennifer Moore's family, then it should not be said, especially on a national stage.
I suppose you're confusing with the so-called "Westboro Baptist Church" of the Rev. Fred Phelps, notorious in their way for their "educational protests" @ especially military funerals.
Wow. Wow. You two are very sick, sick people. I don't know what else to say. How do you even debate with two people who actually believe these things.
because we have to do it. if they went unanswered it will feed their own delusions
I just watched the piece online. O'Reilly played about 1 minute and 10 seconds of the Terkel ambush. Very different indeed. No footage of the stalking, the chase or the accosting. Imagine that.
The rape victim you speak of, Alexa Branchini, is not the issue here. O'Reilly's despicable postmortem slander of rape/murder victim Jennifer Moore is. You are defending a man who basically said that what happened to Moore is her own fault.
I won't speak for other posters, but my humanity is alive and well, thank you. How's yours?
BTW, Terkel has responded to O'Reilly's P.O.S. segment.
What should be the issue here is the protest staged by idiots towards an organization that does much good for others who might not have the resources to see an attack to its conclusion. And the person who gives of his time to support them. But of course that is secondary to people like you. And maybe his comments about the other victim might wake up some other young girl from making the same mistake as her. And did you hear the shouting done by the Fox producer like she claimed? No I didn't think so.
One good deed doesn't make up for building a career on slandering people, especially victims. Jennfier Moore isn't the only one.
Oh OK, Jesse Watters didn't shout. What else didn't he do? You don't know because O'Reilly is a coward who won't play the footage in its entirety. He tried to pass it off as an "interview" instead of an ambush. O'Reilly feels compelled to show how sensitive he is to rape victims by sending his goatboy out with a cameraman to stalk and accost someone on her personal weekend getaway.
So , he didn't shout, so we know she is lying about this , so whatever else she says is suspect. Typical lying lefty. One good deed you say, what about the exposure of liberal bleeding heart judges who routinely give probation to child molesters. O'Reilly exposes them and saves others from similar experiences but the enlightened left will let those animals out to rape again. You nay not like his methods but he has done more good for victims and potential victims than your boy KO.
Name one person that O'Reilly has saved by way of slander and diatribe.
What I do know is that he is obviously working with the Alexa Foundation, a victims right org. And he has also given alot of support to Mark Lundsford and helped with the passage of Jessica's law. I know that one burns you progressives up, actual punishment for criminals. how dastardly. And he has been instrumental in exposing weak judges who do not punish sex offenders, how many people has those actions saved? Of course we can never know. By the way, did you need help in coming up with that question? or did you think of it all by yourself.
I said, "by way of slander and diatribe." I wasn't talking about whatever work he's done outside of his news desk.
While I don't agree with people protesting the meeting, I have to support their right to do it. I also think that the folks at It Happened to Alexa have a right to know that the person they've chosed to speak to them believes that the victims they help, basically, had it coming to them.
It's pure hypocrisy to say, one minute, that it was the fault of the victim to be raped & murdered then turn around and act as though you support an organization that helps rape victims.
And those of you who support his view are just as sick as he is. You've got to be kidding me with the 'if it happened to my daughter I'd want others to learn from her mistake' b.s. If it had been your daughter he was talking about, you'd be mad as hell.
He supports those people with his news show, perhaps you didn't notice.
He supports people by slandering them? He "exposes them and saves others from similar experiences" by slandering them?
Again I ask, who has he saved by way of slander and diatribe?
And who is he saving by sending out a media hit squad to chase a woman? Is this also an example of him sticking up for the safety and security of women? By stalking and accosting a woman on a personal weekend getaway? This is your idea of a woman's advocate?
O'Reilly is nothing more than an overpaid, thin-skinned, egotistical bully who can't take criticism and exacts revenge by way of abusing journalistic power.
yeah and billo lies all the time, but you defend him to no end
Yes you are correct, there was no shouting, ther ewas no hounding. In fact, something MMFA fails to mention is either the fact that she wrote about only part of the broadcast and when asked about the rest of the broadcast to put it in perspective didn't have a clue! Clear parsing for effect. Terkel was irresponsible in her approach.
Then the BO broadcast talked about Terkel being supplied the parsed piece by NBC. I guess since MMFA did not say that was a falsehood it nmust be true because we all know MMFA is for truth in broadcasting. There were several other items brought forth by BO on the segment - again since MMFA did not comment as to them being in error they too must be true.
All in I say the score is BO 7, MMFA 1.
So now you're reducing this to a game? Tell me, what's Jennifer Moore's score?
Project much?
You're the liar. It's plain for all to see.
" And maybe his comments about the other victim might wake up some other young girl from making the same mistake as her." What mistake, getting killed? You can't be serious.
What the idiots were protesting is not the organization, but pointing out the hypcracy in having some one there that has blamed rape victims in the past. That has been one of the biggest problems in past rape trials and why rape victims don;t want to come forward.
"Did you hear any shouting" I can not say that thre surely was shouting but I have seen their tactics before and it is believeable. Have you ever herad of editing? Might they have left the shouting out of the clip.
I know these are complex thought processes but let's learn to be a little more critical in our thinking.
WorldlyMrR:
I think some of you and the faces behind MMFA need to experience the pain associated with teh rape of a close friend or family member.
fairliberal:
Well said MrR
You two are very deranged.
Ah , you must be a MMFA intern, you take one short quote from a much larger one to distort, what a good little trooper.
It's a complete sentence and it's completely disgusting.
ok worldly........would have said this to a national audience?
Are you high?
Are you saying that in order to opine on this issue, we need to have felt the very real pain of rape and murder? REALLY?
You just lied to us when you said that you "...never wish bad things to befall others but in this case I thnk some of you and the faces behind MMFA need to experience the pain associated with teh (sic) rape of a close friend or family member." You just did.
You're quite sick. Get help. Fast.
What are your thoughts on Terkel's column, FL and Worldly? After you read it, does the reaction of O'Reilly's goon and his questions match what Terkel wrote? Where did she insult the foundation? Is she not allowed to criticize the foundation's choice?
Jessie and Porter aren't producers...they're "stalker/producers", and to be honest, Keith will get more milage out of this...and I hope Andrea Turkel slaps a harassment charge aginst Little Jessie for this.
Or at least a restraining order....
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I am old enough to remember O'Reilly on Current Affair. I didn't like him then and I don't like him now. Honestly, I can't stand anyone that does like him. He should have been fired after the "loofah" incident.
"He should have been fired after the "loofah" incident."
So goes the ethics standards of News Corporation.
ethics? what are ethics....i don't think thats a word in ruperts vocab
TERKEL: Since I'm a 5 ft, 100 pound woman with an opinion that he doesn't like, perhaps O'Reilly believes I deserve to be treated this way.
It was probably the way you were dressed, Amanda... ;>)
In fairness, O'Billo thought they were chasing Studs Terkel. He's easily confused and fears facts on the Factor.
What a scumbag. First Bill-O blames the victim, and then has the gaul to say that TERKEL is victimizing families by calling him out on his mysoginy. What an absolute f-ing scumbag.
I understand why Bill O'Reilly controls the rules. In 2004 I happened to see his appearance on Meet the Press with Paul Krugman in which he made a complete ass of himself attacking Krugman just because the New York Times had written something that displeased O'Reilly. Guys like O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity could not win a debate unless they selected the opponent and controlled the format and the microphones.
Did you happen to catch his appearance on Marvin Kalb's PBS show? He made Kalb look like an amateur.
is their a link for that Kalb - O'Reilly "debate"?
after seeing clips of billo getting schooled by phil donahue....i have a hard time he could make anyone look like an amatuer
funny thing is this whole ambush crap is nothing new to him...i mean look what happened after Russell Tice went on MSNBC, exposed the fact that everything we do online is gathered up by the government and Billo sends stalker jesse out after him
All Terkel should have done was tell the O'Reilly goon two words: F.O.
That probably would have been my reply - along with a punch to Jessie's nose.
Stalking is NEVER OK.
LAST TIME I CHECKED YOU COULD DRESS ANYWAY YOU WANT IN THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT FEAR OF SOMEONE KILLING YOU BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY MAY THINK OF YOU . O RIELLY IS STARTING TO GO OVER THE TOP LIKE A STERN RIGID SCHOOL TEACHER LECTURING, SLASHING .YELLING .DEMEANING DESENTERS AND ON AND ON. I WILL GIVE HIM THIS MAYBE I DISAGREE WITH HIS STYLE BUT HE IS PROBABLY THE KING OF CABLE. SO WHATEVER HE IS DOING IS WORKING FOR HIM. IF HE DIDENT MAKE THE STATEMENTS HE MAKES HE WOULDENT BE ON MEDIA MATTERS.THE TONIGHT SHOW AND ALL THE OTHER HEADY SHOWS ON THE MEDIA CIRCUIT. FOLKS ITS SHOW BUSINESS JOE CAPRIO/CITYLIFEPRODUCTIONS