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March 25, 2009 12:53 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Referring to a question he asked at President Obama's press conference, on Morning Joe, Chuck Todd suggested Obama was being inconsistent in not asking the American people for sacrifice -- during a recession, with millions recently unemployed -- after having criticized President Bush for failing to ask for sacrifice following 9-11.

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Referring to a question he asked President Obama during Obama's March 24 press conference, on the March 25 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, NBC News' chief White House correspondent and political director Chuck Todd suggested Obama was being inconsistent in not asking the American people for sacrifice -- during a recession, with millions recently unemployed -- after Obama criticized President Bush for failing to ask the American people for sacrifice following the September 11, 2001, attacks.

During the March 24 press conference, Todd asked Obama: "Some have compared this financial crisis to a war, and in times of war, past presidents have called for some form of sacrifice. ... [W]hy haven't you asked for something specific that the public should be sacrificing to participate in this economic recovery?" Discussing the question the next day on Morning Joe, Todd stated that he asked the question because Obama had "criticized President Bush for ... sort of wasting an opportunity when he had -- when the President Bush had the whole nation listening, ready to do something, and the president asked nothing." Todd did not acknowledge during the press conference or during his Morning Joe appearance that Americans have lost more than 4 million jobs and $11 trillion (18 percent) of household wealth since the start of the recession.

Indeed, in his response to Todd, Obama stated in part: "With respect to the American people, I think folks are sacrificing left and right. They -- you've got a lot of parents who are cutting back on everything to make sure that their kids can still go to college. You've got workers who are deciding to cut an entire day and entire day's worth of pay so that their fellow co-workers aren't laid off. I think that, across the board, people are making adjustments, large and small, to accommodate the fact that we're in very difficult times right now."

Todd's question and subsequent remarks echo comments by Newsweek's Howard Fineman, who wrote on March 10 that "the establishment" has criticized Obama for "[t]he failure to call for genuine sacrifice on the part of all Americans, despite the rhetorical claim that everyone would have to 'give up' something."

Other media figures commenting on Todd's question at the press conference similarly made the flawed analogy between calling for sacrifice during a war and during a recession. Jonah Goldberg wrote on National Review's The Corner blog: "Maybe I missed something, but it sure sounded like Obama is simply unwilling to really call for sacrifice from the American people. George Bush was denounced for not calling for sacrifice after 9/11." During the press conference, Jonathan Martin wrote in a Politico blog post that Todd asked a "[g]ood Question: Where is the call for sacrifice? Recall President Bush only asked that folks go shopping after 9/11. POTUS responds: 'I think folks are sacrificing left and right,' before citing the struggles facing many Americans right now." In a subsequent post, Martin asserted: "Chuck follows and gets POTUS to rattle off what he expects of Ameicans [sic]: Work hard, look after their families, volunteer in their community and follow the debate in Washington. Not a very demanding request."

From the March 24 press conference:

TODD: Thank you, Mr. President. Some have compared this financial crisis to a war, and in times of war, past presidents have called for some form of sacrifice. Some of your programs, whether for Main Street or Wall Street, have actually cushioned the blow for those that were irresponsible during this economic period of prosperity, or supposed prosperity, that you were talking about.

Why, given this new era of responsibility that you're asking for, why haven't you asked for something specific that the public should be sacrificing to participate in this economic recovery?

OBAMA: Well, let me -- let me take that question in a couple -- couple of phases. First of all, it's not true that we have not asked sacrifice from people who are getting taxpayer money. We have imposed some very stiff conditions. The only problem that we've had so far are contracts that were put in place before we took over.

But moving forward, anybody -- any bank, for example, that is receiving capital from the taxpayers is going to have to have some very strict conditions in terms of how it pays out its executives, how it pays out dividends, how it's reporting its lending practices. So we want to make sure that there's some stiff conditions in place.

With respect to the American people, I think folks are sacrificing left and right. They -- you've got a lot of parents who are cutting back on everything to make sure that their kids can still go to college. You've got workers who are deciding to cut an entire day and entire day's worth of pay so that their fellow co-workers aren't laid off. I think that, across the board, people are making adjustments, large and small, to accommodate the fact that we're in very difficult times right now.

What I've said here in Washington is that we've got to make some tough choices. We got to make some tough budgetary choices. What we can't do, though, is sacrifice long-term growth investments that are critical to the future. And that's why my budget focuses on health care, energy, education -- the kinds of things that can build a foundation for long-term economic growth as opposed to the fleeting prosperity that we've seen over the last several years. I mean, when you have an economy in which the majority of growth is coming from the financial sector -- when AIG selling a derivative is counted as an increase in the gross domestic product, then that's not a model for sustainable economic growth.

And what we have to do is invest in those things that will allow the American people's capacity for ingenuity and innovation, their ability to take risks, but make sure that those risks are grounded in good products and good services that they believe they can market to the rest of the country, that those models of economic growth are what we're promoting, and that's what I think our budget does.

TODD: But you don't think there should be a specific call to action that you want the American public -- I mean, this is -- you've described this as an economic crisis like nothing we have --

OBAMA: Right.

TODD: -- seen since the Great Depression.

OBAMA: Well, as I said, the American people are making a host of sacrifices in their individual lives. We are going through an extraordinary crisis, but we believe that taken -- if you take the steps that we've already taken with respect to housing, with respect to small businesses, if you look at what we're doing in terms of increasing liquidity in the financial system, that the steps that we're taking can actually stabilize the economy and get it moving again.

What I'm looking from the American people to do is that they are going to be doing what they've always done, which is working hard, looking after their families, making sure that despite the economic hard times that they're still contributing to their community, that they're still participating in volunteer activities, that they are paying attention to the debates that are going on in Washington.

And the budgets that we're putting forward and some of the decisions that we're having to make are going to be tough decisions, and we're going to need the support of the American people, and that's part of why what I've tried to do is to be out front as much as possible, explaining in very clear terms exactly what we're doing.

From the March 25 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:

SCARBOROUGH: Let's go right now to NBC News chief White House correspondent --

MIKA BRZEZINSKI (co-host): Let's ask Chuck to chime in.

SCARBOROUGH: -- Chuck Todd. Chuck, an epic battle right now --

TODD: I'm not chiming in on that topic.

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah. We're going to go off of that topic, and --

TODD: Please.

SCARBOROUGH: -- go to your question last night --

TODD: Yeah.

SCARBOROUGH: -- to the president. Why did you ask it? And how do you think he responded?

TODD: Well, I asked it simply because we've heard a lot of -- this is an unprecedented time, right? -- and one of the things that the president, when he was a candidate, criticized President Bush for doing was sort of wasting an opportunity when he had -- when the President Bush had the whole nation listening, ready to do something, and the president asked nothing. And so, that was why I was asking it.

You know, this is -- they've -- he's described this economic crisis as something we haven't seen since the Great Depression, so was there some sort of call to action? Is there some -- you know, for some, that could be a sacrifice; for others, it could be something else that he was asking for, and I've been surprised that nothing has come out of this administration.

Somebody wrote last night -- it's sort of been -- it's been a topic that's been sort of hanging over the head of this new administration. They kind of want to deal with it on one hand; on the other hand, they have to deal with all these fires first, right? They've got to put the fingers in all of these financial dikes. And then, at some point, you do get the sense that they want to do some sort of -- OK, everybody needs to do X, or everybody should try and do Y, or we wish Americans would do Z, but they don't seem to be there yet because he's still got a lot of -- a lot of -- a lot of holes to fill.

SCARBOROUGH: Well, and, Jeffrey Sachs, that's -- again, that's the point I've been making. If you want to talk about health-care reform, fine, but give us the tough choices on how we --

TODD: Right.

SCARBOROUGH: -- restrain costs. Don't just say we're going to throw 650 billion more dollars in the system.

JEFFREY SACHS (The Earth Institute director): I think, especially, also, in the financial sector, you know, they just haven't gotten this right in terms of, you know, asking, you know, for the sacrifice from those who caused the crisis in the first place and, obviously, they've taken a lot of political hits for that. But it's a little bit understandable -- just hasn't been directed at what the banks, the bankers, the managers need to do, and they've not asked from them what's necessary.

SCARBOROUGH: Chuck Todd, how do you think the president did last night? Just -- let's just talk pure style because --

TODD: Yeah.

SCARBOROUGH: -- that sense of confidence is so important for presidents speaking to America.

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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (March 25, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
         

      Hey......Chuck........what kind of sacrifices do you have in mind ?

      The sacrifice that should have been asked of the American people during Bush was raising taxes to pay for two wars.

      Bush didn't cause he didn't want to sacrifice being in office

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      • Author by LarryE (March 25, 2009 6:19 pm ET)
           

        what kind of sacrifices do you have in mind

        I thought the same thing. As part of his answer, I think Obama should have thrown it back to Todd: "What kind of sacrifices are you thinking of? What sacrifices are you yourself prepared to make?"

        I do think there was one aspect of the question which is legitimate even as it got mucked up by Todd's "everyone has to pitch in" blather, which is why those most reponsible for the mess - and I mean the f'ing bankers - are pretty much skating. What "sacrifices" are they making? What consequences are they suffering?

        Obama's references to toughened conditions for financial institutions, not financiers, failed to address that. But his response that the rest of us are already sacrificing for the sins of others was spot on.

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    • Author by MickD (March 25, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
         

      Talk about cover thy butt. The question made no sense when he asked it and everyone watching knew it. If he were smart he'd move on without drawing attention to it, but it seems impossible for these narcissists.

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    • Author by Marker (March 25, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
         
      Todd is out of his element in regards to being in the press. Naive, bufoonish, where do they get douche bags like this? I'd like to drop him in some of the areas in the country where unemployment runs about 20% and have him ask that asinine question. What a putz.
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    • Author by jamesB (March 25, 2009 1:07 pm ET)
         

      i gotta say this question by Todd made no sense to me either. These reporters just want to ask provocative questions so their question will get airtime, forget the relevancy or the substance or the importance of it.  I guess their job is to make the president squirm a little, that's fine, but then to go on about it and pat themselves on the back is just self serving. 

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    • Author by wookie (March 25, 2009 1:10 pm ET)
         
      Yep, we're still eating daily and living indoors. When will we learn to sacrifice?
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    • Author by truthseeker77 (March 25, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
         
      I know some Obama supporters who loved Chuck Todd during the primaries when he was pretending to be an Obamabot.
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      • Author by worrierking (March 25, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
           

        He wasn't pretending to do anything of the sort during the primaries. His job then was more of a statistician's, nothing more.

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      • Author by thejbomb65 (March 25, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
           

        wow obamabot....thats real creative.....did you come up with that by yourself...or did the Collective telepathically transmitt that to your brain.

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        • Author by MissDee (March 25, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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          I'm pretty sure it didn't come from the transmitter that makes you all say "most ethical" and "most transparent"  anytime you  all reference the Obamamessiah's administration.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 25, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
               

            Ah, I see, it's the transmitter that tells you to post lies and strawmen.

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            • Author by theclocktowersniper8151 (March 25, 2009 9:48 pm ET)
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              Another gem respnse from E R W. If easytorefutewingnuts doesn't like what someone says, they are immediately a liar hoisting strawmen. Talk about a robotic, preregistered response!

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              • Author by WorldlyMrR (March 26, 2009 12:23 am ET)
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                Agree never an substance just name calling.  But hey, he is a lefty loony and liberals are not required to have any critical thought - just need to remeber to repeat what MMFA says and take a shot ot Fox News!

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                • Author by roundhouse (March 26, 2009 4:24 am ET)
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                  Real nice you guys. How very mature and objective of you to hiss over personal insults while springing emotionally pointed aspersions at easy's core motivation. You pretty much suck at life if you consider yourself righteous in this tiff. Get over it. Insult is a basic human response to unabashed political flame throwers with their wing nut phraseology's. 

                  Here, I'll demonstrate how elemental the emotional response is by eliciting insults from you with my own political flame-throwing:

                  Fer God sake's, wmr, you idol of strawman worshippers, easy breathed not a syllable of Fox News. What are ya gabbin' on about? Ya feelin' a little fixated on on your own intra-Party liabilities or what, ya little Fox News crawdad? Ya know as well as anybody that they should just change their name to the Republican News Network and take their political failure, as is every other Republican today, like the pathetic suck-ups to corrupt name brand marketers they are.

                  Buncha disgusting, do anything for money, conservative materialists. Ya oughtta just admit your economic fairy-tale of enlightened self interest has swindled millions of hard working  people out of the future they sacrificed for and entrusted to the stewardship of your so called, "rational" free market capitalists. Brothel of sweaty, money changers they are, in the absence of moral boundaries, the free market fundies screwed us in the name of short term gain. And you still trust them to do the right thing over your own government of the people, in which you are guaranteed by birth, to have your stake.

                  Pathetic right-wing whack job. Your good  government killing, Republican ideology more resembles the personality of a homicidal sociopath than a well adjusted community minded human being. Go away and don't hurt anybody else.   

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          • Author by jwcoop715110 (March 25, 2009 8:22 pm ET)
               

            He didn't exactly have a tough act to follow.

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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (March 25, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
           

        Nice attempt there, truthy, but FAIL...

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 25, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
           

        And my uncle says, "Crack is cool."  What's your point?  If the guy is being a tool now, how is that changed by the fact that he may not have been a tool at some point in the past?  Wow.  What you're saying is about as profound as, "We like him when he's doing his job accurately and objectively, but we don't like him when he's being a misleading partisan hack."  Oh-my-farkin-gard!  Youre, kidding!

        What the hell is your point? 

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      • Author by snoopy (March 25, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
           

        This caller? That was you, right?

        CALLER: But what really is scaring the rest of us, the other half of us, is the fascism. I mean the true fascism that is happening in this country today. […] The belligerent takeover of a one-party system. […]

        CANTOR: Now as far as a one-party government in here, I think what the public is doing they’re finally waking up and everybody is realizing that checks and balances are a part of the system and divided government is something that is beneficial to a balanced debate, and something that can produce a better outcome. Which is exactly why Republicans in the House have said, “Look, we want to work with our colleagues on the other side of the aisle. We want to try to bring this president back into the mainstream.”

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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (March 25, 2009 8:21 pm ET)
           

        In other words, you haven't got a case or a clue but you're not gonna let a little thing like reality get in the way of a good gop rant.

        Gee, thanks for clearin' that up.

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    • Author by worrierking (March 25, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
         

      I'd say the millions of people out of work have made sacrifices. As has anyone with a retirement account or investments. Parents who're trying to put their kids through school and students working to finish school have also sacrificed.

      That covers a good percentage of us.

      What exactly is Todd getting at anyway? 

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    • Author by roundhouse (March 25, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
         

      So, raising taxes on the top 5% of income earners isn't asking for sacrifice?

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 25, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
           

        Possibly, but it's BUSH that asked for that, only it was about 8 years ahead of time.  (Wow, maybe the guy DID have some of that thar foresight!)

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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (March 25, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
         

      I emailed per the info listed here at mmfa....and exchanged several emails with whomever was on the other end...possibly Chuck himself


      The exchange below....of course it's in decending order.  Go to the bottom and read up to here


      From: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal) [mailto:Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:30 PM
      To:
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      actually, many in our company have done this
      From:
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:29 PM
      To: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal)
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      So.......the media wants to the President to ask companies for voluntary wage reductions to save jobs.   As the President stated last night, millions of working people saw their wages stagnate over the last decade and that's a fact.   Median wages declined by 2,000 / year   At a time of record costs for health care, energy & gasoline, education, food, etc...........   You first
      From: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal) [mailto:Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:22 PM
      To:
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      of course not... there are lots of things he could ask of lots of folks... we polled folks and asked if they would take a 5% pay cut to save a colleague's job... over 60% said yes... folks just need to be asked on different fronts. Sacrifice means different things to different people.
      From:
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:21 PM
      To: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal)
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      Of course we do..........what would suggest he ask people to do..........go shopping ?  

      From: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal) [mailto:Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:19 PM
      To:
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      and trying to find out what the president wants Americans to do to help with the economic crisis doesn't advance anything?  I guess we agree to disagree
      From:
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:18 PM
      To: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal)
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      Nope...........outrage or interest in something doesn't determine quality.   People will read about alien autopsies, two headed this or that's   We want the media to be a source for thoughtful questions that can help advance the debate in this country.        
      From: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal) [mailto:Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:15 PM
      To:
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      the intense interest my question received tells me it was a better question than I thought it was. That said, I think these one question formats are ridiculous, designed to make it nearly impossible to actually have a thoughtful conversation...
      From:
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:13 PM
      To: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal)
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      Very lame auto response.   As Obama said, people are suffering from job loss and the loss of trillions in assets.   And, that's why you know the stimulus bill was passed.   Corporate media folks should shine a light on the center of what happened and that's Wall Street and lack of oversight under the former President's people.  It was apparent that without housing related contributions to GDP, Bush's numbers for two terms would have been a lot worse.   He already had the worst job creations numbers in 40 years and those have been wiped out in the last 12 months  
      From: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal)
      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:06 PM
      To :
      Subject: RE: Sacrifice

      I understand many folks have interpreted my question in a narrow way, but there's also a component of this crisis that the president campaigned about, which was asking for something all Americans can do. And he hasn't done that yet... No one is overlooked the pain out there, that's not the point, but little has been asked of everyone; in fact, just the opposite, government bailouts for those who were the most responsible for our predicament

      Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:06 PM
      To: Todd, Chuck D (NBC Universal)
      Subject: Sacrifice

      Chuck :

      Maybe you could be more specific in your question as the one you asked was silly.

      Did you ask the former President why he didn't raise taxes to pay for two wars and doubling the debt ?

      Maybe Bush didn't want to sacrifice be re-elected


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      • Author by LarryE (March 25, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
           

        It's quite odd that your counterpart raised the idea of taking a 5% pay cut to save a collague's job as something "he could ask of lots of folks" when in his answer Obama specifically referred to people already cutting back a whole day a week (which is like a 20% cut for most people) to do just that.

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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (March 25, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
         

      OOps.........sorry for the bad formatting

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      • Author by snoopy (March 25, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
           

        Wow, it was like pulling teeth to get to the part where he suggests us working stiffs take a pay cut for the good of the company and it's shareholders!

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        • Author by congero6189599 (March 26, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
             

          Can you believe how out of touch he is??  Pay cuts!?!?!  We've already got em'.  In Cali state workers have had their work days cut from 5 to 4 with no compensation for the lost day/wk.  Yet he thinks he asked an important question, is this guy on acid?

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    • Author by RABBITLUVR (March 25, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
         

      Go back to crunching numbers, Chuck. You're no journalist.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 25, 2009 3:00 pm ET)
           

        He's not much of a number cruncher, either. Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com had that title hands-down.

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        • Author by RABBITLUVR (March 25, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
             

          Hell yeah, Nate was the man. His site kept me sane throughout the campaign.

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    • Author by mytguy4773 (March 25, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
         
      Indeed, I find Chuck's question, given the rare and priceless opportunity to ask our President important questions that he is afforded, childish and silly, uninformed, and illustrative of a complete disconnect between Washington wonks and reality. Hello Chuck: the American people ARE sacrificing and have been for many years. If we have jobs: we no longer get regular raises. We work longer hours for less compensation. Our jobs are not safe. The American dream of security is gone--we all fear daily getting laid off at any time. Many of us no longer HAVE jobs. many have no health care or if we do, it is not very good and costs more than ever before. our entire cost of living is up. our stress level is higher than in history. our health is declining. our kids go to crappy schools. we can't afford private school anyway. We're eating junk food and yelling at each-other. Our savings and retirement funds are shrinking and disappearing. We're losing our homes. So if you ever have a chance to speak to Chuck Todd as he trolls around for a nice historical soundbite from the president specifically requesting OUR sacrifice in poetic language, please inform him we ALREADY are sacrificing, and our President is more in touch with the people than he (chuck todd) is and KNOWS that. Why don't YOU know that, Chuck??? Chuck: please get your head out of Washington once in a while and ask substantive questions. You should be ashamed of your performance at that press conference--a man in your position. How about YOU make a sacrifice and investigate what is really going on with the American people, rather than analyzing polls all day and dining all night with your friends, the so-called "pundits"?? Maybe you need to examine YOUR preconceived notions before you waste the country's time with a doltish question of our President. Thank you.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (March 25, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
         

      I just go to work and the first thing I did before I even read this was  compose a letter to NBC news that Chuck Todd is not qualified for his job because of that question last night. What an idiot!!!!!! I strongly suggest everyone write NBC news (snail mail) with your Todd complaint. He really needs to get out of DC and into the real world to see what is going on in this country.

      NBC News
      30 Rockefeller Plaza
      New York, N.Y. 10112

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    • Author by enlightenegirl (March 25, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
         

      I was stunned by the stupidity of Chuck Todd's question!  Who does he think is suffering during this crisis?  The American people that is who.  We have lost our jobs, how many millions of us?  Our mortgages have tripled, our credit card interest has doubled.  When you lose your job you lose your health insurance, unless when jobless you can afford $1,300 a month for cobra.  Our unions are being dismantled and the sacrifices we make are having to choose between a 3% yearly salary increase or deletion of health benefits.  Let's not talk about the millions who saw their 401k's disappear.  How dare you Chuck. 

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    • Author by Chazzum (March 25, 2009 5:32 pm ET)
         

      I was yelling at my TV last night after this question was asked.  Sacrifice?  how about being laid off in August with the shuttering of my office while half the jobs go to India and the other half to another state?  Am I sacrificing?  No job...no prospects.  I feel like I am being squeezed to death.  Yes, many American's are sacrificing ...and suffering through this economic nightmare.

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    • Author by LarryE (March 25, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
         

      So Todd's question came down to "Some people are saying A is like B and in the past when we had B we did such-and-such. So why aren't you doing such-and-such?"

      First off, Chuckie, because A is not B! That's one damn reason. Just because some unnamed people "say" one is "like" the other does not create an equivalence.

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    • Author by big_O_Other7415 (March 25, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
         

      Obama's response to Todd's inane question was perfect. The fact that the right wing and the media could not understand what he said -- that we the people have been sacrificing for years on the new 'cross of gold' known of economic bubbles and busts -- is something they cannot understand. They seem mentally deficient, especially J. Goldberg

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