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CNBC allows Gregg to forward small-business tax falsehood

March 26, 2009 1:14 pm ET

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SUMMARY: CNBC's Joe Kernen allowed Sen. Judd Gregg to advance the false Republican talking point that President Obama's income tax proposals would increase taxes on a large percentage of small businesses.

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On the March 26 edition of CNBC's Squawk Box, host Joe Kernen allowed Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) to falsely suggest that President Obama's income tax proposals would increase taxes on a large percentage of small businesses. As Media Matters for America has documented, media figures -- including CNBC host Maria Bartiromo -- have previously adopted this false Republican talking point or allowed the falsehood to go unchallenged.

Referencing a Squawk Box interview with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) the day before, Kernen stated, "He [Ryan] said one thing that you guys are not going to be able to stop are the taxes on capital gains going up, taxes on dividends going up, taxes on certain small businesses." Gregg replied, in part: "[T]he president ran on the policies that he was going to increase the cap gains rate, the dividends rate, and the tax on small businesses." Moments later, Kernen didn't challenge Gregg as he referred to Obama's proposal as a "tax policy that basically is focused on raising taxes on small businesses especially." In fact, according to the Tax Policy Center's table of 2007 tax returns that reported small-business income, 481,000 of those returns -- about 2 percent -- are in the top two income tax brackets, which include all filers with taxable incomes that would be affected by Obama's proposals to let portions of the Bush tax cuts for wealthy taxpayers expire and reduce the tax rate at which families making more than $250,000 could take itemized deductions.

As Media Matters senior fellow Eric Boehlert noted, when Ryan appeared on Squawk Box a day earlier to discuss Obama's budget proposal, he stated: "We're going to go in a completely different direction, and show the American people how we would do things much, much differently to restore growth and confidence to our economy, keep the American economy growing, and not switch over to a Europeanized type of economy." Guest host Fred Malek, founder of Thayer Capital Partners, replied, "Paul, that gives me a lot of confidence, what you said. I think you're absolutely going in the right direction."

From the March 26 edition of CNBC's Squawk Box:

KERNEN: Senator, we had Paul Ryan on yesterday, and I tried to get -- figure out exactly some of these same questions. You know, where the compromises will come, what it will finally look like.

He said one thing that you guys are not going to be able to stop are the taxes on capital gains going up, taxes on dividends going up, taxes on certain small businesses. Have you written that off? That's -- you're just preparing for that type of future at this point?

GREGG: Well, they can do all that with 51 votes, and they've got 58 votes in the Senate, and clearly that's an agenda item for them. So yes, I think Paul is probably right. It's going to be very hard to change that decision.

I mean, the president ran on the policies that he was going to increase the cap gains rate, the dividends rate, and the tax on small businesses. And he doesn't have to do anything for that to occur. In other words, you actually have to take formal action to avoid that, and they only need 51 votes to stop that.

KERNEN: Well, the combination of that with all the additional spending, a lot of business -- business groups would think that's probably not such a great idea when you're trying to get out of a recession, no?

GREGG: Well, it's a stake through the heart of the entrepreneurs of this country, basically. I mean, as a practical matter, if you're having to spend your discretionary money on paying taxes rather than on hiring people and taking risk, you slow the economy. And that's what we think will happen with a tax policy that basically is focused on raising taxes on small businesses especially -- where most of the jobs are created, by the way.

KERNEN: You like this toxic asset plan, Senator?

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    • Author by thejbomb65 (March 26, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
         

      to me this seems nothing more than Judd Gregg whining like a baby because he got shown the door.

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (March 26, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
         

      Lots of steaming heads are overexagerrating this, but actually, Gregg didn't promote the falsehood: he was responding to Kernen, who set the ground rules by saying "certain" small businesses:

      KERNEN: He said one thing that you guys are not going to be able to stop are the taxes on capital gains going up, taxes on dividends going up, taxes on certain small businesses. Have you written that off? That's -- you're just preparing for that type of future at this point?

      GREGG: Well, they can do all that with 51 votes, and they've got 58 votes in the Senate, and clearly that's an agenda item for them. So yes, I think Paul is probably right. It's going to be very hard to change that decision.

      I mean, the president ran on the policies that he was going to increase the cap gains rate, the dividends rate, and the tax on small businesses.

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    • Author by foghornleghorn (March 26, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
         
      You like this toxic asset plan, Senator? Talk about a softball question. King of like "Do you like toxic waste, Senator" or "Do you like gourmet food, Senator".
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (March 26, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
           

        I don't think he was saying the plan was toxic, I think he was asking whether he liked the plan to deal with the toxic assets, which is a standard industry term.

        I'm sure Gregg said "no", but I think it was the FIRST thing we should've done.

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        • Author by mary59 (March 26, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
             

          I would like to see truly small businesses get more state and local tax relief; as well as better regulation.  In many cases, they have to comply with regulation written for much larger companies. 

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        • Author by foghornleghorn (March 26, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
             

          Oops.  My reading was off on that one. 

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    • Author by congero6189599 (March 26, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
         

      This Sen. Gregg is a terrible.  when will people call them on this.  I heard Contessa Brewer push this same line this AM???

      David Shuster's Hypocrisy Watch: GOP Fuming Over Budget Reconciliation

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      David Shuster calls out the Republicans for crying about the possible use of budget reconciliation by the Democrats when they themselves used it to ram through the Bush tax cuts and to open the Arctic Wildlife refuge for domestic oil drilling.

      Shuster: At the time Republican Senator Gregg, Judd Gregg said "The President (Bush) asked for it, and we're trying to do what the President asked for". Now that President Obama is thinking of the same tactics Senator Gregg said it would be "regarded as an act of violence".

      Senator Gregg, an act of violence? Clearly it's frustrating to be in the minority. But Senators given your previous embrace of the fifty one vote threshold when you whine and complain about it now, that's hypocrisy, and it's wrong.

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      • Author by progressiveright (March 26, 2009 5:08 pm ET)
           

        The GOP is a bunch of people who are telling American left and the Democrats in perticular to do as we say not as we did. This is so that they can tell their base see we get what we want despite having a **** Democrat in the White House.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 26, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
         
      Now we know why pres Obama was not impressed with this guy, who begged and pleaded to be part of his cabinet. Anybody listen to Judd anymore ?
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      • Author by jamesB (March 26, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
           

        what?  Gregg withdrew his own nomination, that is not begging or pleading.

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        • Author by mary59 (March 26, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
             

          Opinions on what happened vary according to who is asked.  I tend to believe the Obama staffers over Gregg's account.

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          • Author by jamesB (March 26, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
               

            Obama offered him a place in his cabinet, if you think he did that only after Gregg pleaded and begged, that doesn't say much for Obama, now does it?  that's not what I beleive.  I believe Gregg got too much pressure from his party when all the $$ was being spent in the stimulus bill and so forth.  he would have taken too much flak for being in the cabinet, so he withdrew, makes perfect sense.

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            • Author by congero6189599 (March 26, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
                 

              I don't think it says anything about Obama either way.  I don't know if you characterize his asking to be part of Obama's cabinet as pleading but he initially made the overture, but believe what you like.  Either way this article and the hyprocrisy award given by Shuster shows Gregg plays fast and loose with the truth and for whatever reason it's good that he is not part of the cabinet>

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            • Author by commonsenseliberal (March 26, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
                 

              So, in essence, you're saying that Gregg couldn't take the heat, so he got out of the kitchen.

              What a wimp.

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              • Author by jamesB (March 26, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
                   

                suits me.  He should have gone in there and provided a reasonable opposition to what he believed were wrong in Obama's proposals, concerning his cabinet dept.  Healthy opposition is always good, and makes the cream rise to the top.  he probably got strongarmed from his party and wimped out, apparently.

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                • Author by commonsenseliberal (March 27, 2009 11:50 am ET)
                     

                  For the most part, I agree.  Healthy opposition is good.

                  Gregg just wasn't the right person to reasonably oppose any positions that come out of the White House, whether in the cabinet or not.  He doesn't have much of a spine.

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    • Author by Bill in Big D (March 26, 2009 11:55 pm ET)
         

      Joe Kernan has been moving steadily to the right for the last five years or so, as have most of the so-called journalists on CNBC.  Kernan consistently makes comments that are right out of the conservative playbook, and he usually does it in a derisive, snide tone.  Frankly, I don't think Media Matters spends enough energy on monitoring CNBC and their cast of right-wing characters.  CNBC only has about 300,000 regular viewers, but many of them are influential members of the investment business community and are relied upon by their clientele to know what is being discussed on that network.  I have it on all day long in my office, but I usually have it muted because it's so frustrating to listen to their one-sided commentary.  I turn up the sound when there is something of particular importance being discussed.  I can't stand to listen to Kernan any more, and I gave up on Larry Kudlow years ago.

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