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Ignoring ATF data, Fox's Bream advanced "gun advocates" claim that "vast majority" of Mexican cartel weapons not from US

March 27, 2009 6:10 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Fox News' Trace Gallagher and Shannon Bream advanced the claim, touted by "gun advocates," that the "vast majority" of weapons used in Mexican drug cartels "are not coming from the United States." In fact, according to ATF's National Tracing Center, 90 percent of these weapons that could be traced originated from within the U.S.

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On the March 27 edition of Fox News' The Live Desk, co-host Trace Gallagher stated that Attorney General Eric Holder "says" reinstituting the ban on assault weapons "would help in the battle with violence along the U.S.-Mexico border, but gun advocates say that's not right." Supreme Court correspondent Shannon Bream then asserted: "Absolutely. ... [T]hey say if you go to the border, if you talk to law enforcement agents who are there, working all along both sides of the border, and immigration officials as well, and ask them about this issue, they'll say the vast majority of guns, according to them, that are in Mexico being used in some of these drug cartels are not coming from the United States." At no point did Gallagher or Bream mention that statistics from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) contradict the anecdotal claim of these "gun advocates." ATF and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) stated in recent congressional testimony that "according to ATF's National Tracing Center, 90 percent of the weapons [in Mexico] that could be traced were determined to have originated from various sources within the U.S."

In a joint prepared statement to the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs, William Hoover, ATF assistant director for field operations, and Anthony P. Placido, DEA assistant administrator for intelligence, testified:

The southwest border is the principal arrival zone for most illicit drugs trafficked into the U.S., as well as the predominant staging area for the subsequent distribution of these drugs throughout the U.S. Guns are an integral part of these criminal enterprises; they are the "tools of the trade." Drug traffickers routinely use firearms against each other and have used these weapons against the Mexican military, law enforcement officials, and Mexican civilians. Because firearms are not readily available in Mexico, drug traffickers have aggressively turned to the U.S. as their primary source. Firearms are routinely being transported from the U.S. into Mexico in violation of both U.S. and Mexican law. In fact, according to ATF's National Tracing Center, 90 percent of the weapons that could be traced were determined to have originated from various sources within the U.S. One thing must remain clear in any discussion of violence in Mexico, or violence practiced by Mexican traffickers operating in the U.S.: drug gangs are inherently violent, and nowhere is this more true than in Mexico, where "Wild West"-style shootouts between the criminals and the cops, and elements of opposing trafficking groups are unfortunately considered normal.

From March 27 edition of Fox News' The Live Desk with Martha and Trace:

TRACE GALLAGHER (co-host): Well, in the meantime, Attorney General Eric Holder is battling for a gun fight, because the attorney general is reconsidering instituting a ban on assault weapons. Holder suggested bringing back the ban in response to the escalating drug violence in Mexico. He says it would decrease the flow of guns from the U.S. into Mexico.

But gun rights advocates say liberal Democrats are using the war next door to push for more restrictions on guns right here in the U.S. Shannon Bream is following this live from D.C. She's on RM-232.

And Shannon, the attorney general says the ban would help in the battle with violence along the U.S.-Mexico border, but gun advocates say that's not right.

BREAM: Absolutely. They think this is kind of a smokescreen, because they say if you go to the border, if you talk to law enforcement agents who are there, working all along both sides of the border, and immigration officials as well, and ask them about this issue, they'll say the vast majority of guns, according to them, that are in Mexico being used in some of these drug cartels are not coming from the United States. So these folks say the Second Amendment is now under attack by the attorney general.

They think he is trying to reinstate this ban on assault weapons as a way of, you know, getting gun control kind of maybe under the radar, because nobody looks at what's happening in Mexico and thinks that's a positive thing. It's obviously a very tragic situation. It gets people's attention. And so, you know, reinstating the ban in that arena makes it -- to a lot of people, it makes sense.

But folks are warning, if you care about your gun rights, you need to take another look at this, a closer look, Trace.

GALLAGHER: Shannon, how is this playing out on Capitol Hill?

BREAM: Well, you know, surprisingly -- not surprisingly, Republicans have said we're going to fight this. But a little bit more surprisingly, there is very strong, very organized Democratic opposition as well. We have a letter that came from 65 Democrats on the House side to the attorney general. We've got a quote from that.

It says: "It is hard to believe the ban would be any more effective in controlling crime by well-funded international drug traffickers, who regularly use grenade launchers, anti-tank rockets, and other weapons that are not available on the civilian market in the U.S."

So they say these guns that would be banned, that's not the only thing that these guys have in their arsenal. Also another letter went out from Senators [Max] Baucus [D-MT] and [Jon] Tester [D-MT], saying they will vigorously oppose any attempt to revive this ban.

So there is definitely organized bipartisan support against this that will be motivated to fight with the attorney general is proposing, Trace.

GALLAGHER: And I guess the bottom line here, Shannon, is does the administration have the support it needs?

BREAM: You know what? It doesn't sound like it right now because even top Democratic leaders -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid [D-NV] and also House Speaker Nancy Pelosi [D-CA] -- have come out and said, you know, we don't want to go down this path. We're not in favor of reinstating a ban here. What we need to do is enforce the gun laws that we have in effect right now.

And that's something you're hearing from people on both sides of this debate. They say the U.S. already makes it illegal for these guns to go across the border. Things have to be enforced on both sides of the border in order to make it effective. Let's do that. Let's make sure that's working before we pass an even broader law that's going to also need to be enforced. Let's start with what we have on the books now, Trace.

GALLAGHER: Shannon Bream live in D.C. Shannon, thank you.

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    • Author by Brishon (March 27, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
         

      BREAKING NEWS FROM FOX: "knife advocates" say people stabbed by knives don't come from knife stores

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    • Author by atcross (March 27, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
         
      "(gun advocates) say if you go to the border, if you talk to law enforcement agents who are there, working all along both sides of the border, and immigration officials as well, and ask them about this issue, they'll say the vast majority of guns, according to them, that are in Mexico being used in some of these drug cartels are not coming from the United States." Notice there's no names supplied. We don't need no stinkin' sources. BTW, the ATF and ICE were reporting this problem a year ago, under the Bush administration.
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    • Author by njguy93 (March 27, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
         

      Here we go.  FOX NEWS CHANNEL is going to do this whole "they're blaming America" nonsense for their neanderthal viewers.  They were trying to do this to Hillary Clinton.  I knew they would do that when Hillary commented that the U.S. is partly to blame for what's going on at the U.S.-Mexican border.  Hannity had a graphic on his show that said something to the effect of "Hillary says America to blame for problems with Mexico."  Seriously.  The knuckledraggers who watch that will get riled up and say "How dare she?", and that's what FOX NEWS CHANNEL wants: to keep their dim-witted audience tuned in with troglodyte red meat like that.

      THANK YOU.

      njguy93@yahoo.com

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    • Author by zamfir273114 (March 27, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
         

      Wouldn't it make sense to increase border security to eliminate guns going out of the U.S. and drugs coming into the U.S.?  Why don't we increase border security?

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      • Author by pete592 (March 27, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
           

        Border security has no effect on the forces of supply and demand.

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        • Author by zamfir273114 (March 27, 2009 7:17 pm ET)
             

          No, it doesn't.  Not the way we are securing the border right now.  I think we abstain from really securing the border because we really don't want to stop the illegal immigration problem.  Big business and agri-business feed off of illegal immigrant labor.   

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          • Author by pete592 (March 27, 2009 7:36 pm ET)
               

            Border security also has no effect on the supply and demand for illegal labor.  Throw more resources at the border, and the forces of supply and demand will breed new ways around them.

            I think we abstain from really enforcing undocumented employee laws because we really don't want to stop the illegal immigration problem.

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        • Author by worrierking (March 28, 2009 9:08 am ET)
             

          That's right Pete. These "increase security at the border freaks" don't seem to understand how big our southern border is and how many men it would take working 24/7/365 to actually secure it. Not to mention the expense.

          As you said, supply and demand is what drives drives the drug industry and political corruption enables it.

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 28, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
           

        Wouldn't it make sense to increase border security to eliminate guns going out of the U.S. and drugs coming into the U.S.?  Why don't we increase border security?

        More border security will not stop the more than 6,600 US licensed gun dealers along the border from selling weapons to the Mexican drug cartel!

        The Mexican agents who moved in on a safe house full of drug dealers last May were not prepared for the firepower that greeted them.

        When the shooting was over, eight agents were dead. Among the guns the police recovered was an assault rifle traced back across the border to a dingy store here called X-Caliber Guns.

        Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges that he sold scores of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers who supplied a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa, fueling the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year.

        "We had a direct pipeline from Iknadosian to the Sinaloa cartel," said Thomas Mangan, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives here.

        More border security will not stop gun shows and private dealers from selling assault weapons to the Mexican drug cartel with no questions asked, no background check required.

        The Justice Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reported that more than 7,700 guns sold in the United States were traced to Mexico in the fiscal year that ended in September. That's more than twice the 3,300 recorded the previous year and more than triple the 2,100 traced the year before that.

        More border security will do absolutely nothing!

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    • Author by terrapin53 (March 27, 2009 7:59 pm ET)
         

      Should we be surprised Fox is being biased in their reporting?

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    • Author by dj50bmg1746 (March 27, 2009 11:19 pm ET)
         

      With these news stories about violent Mexican cartels trafficking guns, drugs and money to and from the US, there is a very strong case to be made that the border needs to be sealed.

      A toothless gun ban like the '94 AWB won't do much other than lose the Democratic seats in the House and Senate.  That's why Pelosi, Reed, and many other Democrats are not going to even entertain such legislation.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (March 28, 2009 11:15 am ET)
         
      Once again, MMFA is assuming that the blonde woman understands that 90% is greater than 10%. MMFA if you consider this misinformation by the blonde genius, you should have facts such as her grades in High School or College or the casting couch. Please, facts, photos and film, if possible are necessary to prove your point. Until MMFA can prove that 90 is greater than 10, this Fox Newsette will keep her job. I am ashamed of MMFA on this article to embarass this woman. I think she recalls the days when a gymnast got a "10" and they told her it is the highest score you could get...ergo, 10 is greater than 90.
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    • Author by foghornleghorn (March 28, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
         

      Shannon Bream live in D.C. Shannon, thank you.

      Qualifications for a Fox News liar:

      1)  Be female, blond and attractive.

      2)  Live in Washington D.C.

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    • Author by bluhawk7398 (March 28, 2009 9:36 pm ET)
         
      First off the ATF only says that 90% of the weapons that COULD be traced leaving the question of how many guns that really is... 90% of a dozen is not earthshattering. Plus if the ATF had the information that these guns could be traced to dealers in the U.S. we would be reading about the arrests already. The atf is no different from any other agency...it thrives on its successes and would not pass up the chance to bolster its claims,or make a big splash in the headlines, does MM have any real proof?
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    • Author by robrob (March 30, 2009 12:49 am ET)
         
      "vast majority" of weapons used in Mexican drug cartels "are not coming from the United States." === Where do the rocket scientists at FOX think they are coming from, Great Britain or Japan?
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