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Pandemic: Limbaugh's Obama Derangement Syndrome spreads through conservative media

April 10, 2009 8:03 pm ET

SUMMARY: Numerous conservative media figures have followed Rush Limbaugh's lead in making increasingly dire predictions about the consequences that policies sought by Obama and other progressives might have for the country.

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As Media Matters for America has documented, since President Obama's inauguration, "Number One voice for conservatism" Rush Limbaugh has made numerous ominous, even apocalyptic claims about the impact policies pursued by President Obama and other progressives might have on the United States, often while invoking fears of rising socialism, communism, and tyranny. For example, on the February 12 broadcast of his radio show, Limbaugh "thank[ed]" Obama for "doing the job that everybody expects of you, taking every tradition and institution that defined this country's greatness and trying to rip it to shreds." Similarly, on March 18, Limbaugh claimed that "everyone in the White House" is "[p]erfectly timed, perfectly programmed, perfectly educated to destroy capitalism ... and they're in the process of doing it." And on March 30, Limbaugh stated, "Based on what we've seen with General Motors and the banks, if [Obama] fails, America is saved. Barack Obama's policies and their failure is the only hope we've got to maintain the America of our founding." Over the past month, other prominent conservative voices have followed Limbaugh's lead in making increasingly dire predictions about the consequences that policies sought by Obama and other progressives might have for the country.

This alarmism is part of a recent eruption of extremist rhetoric in the conservative media; as Media Matters has noted, since January, conservatives in the media have also warned of impending socialism, fascism, communism, Nazism, McCarthyism, and Marxism, or used such language to describe Obama or other Democrats. Moreover, since Obama's inauguration, conservative media figures have asserted or suggested that U.S. sovereignty may give way to a one-world government and have warned their audiences that Obama will seize their guns. And Fox News has actively promoted what it has branded "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties."

Sean Hannity

  • On the April 7 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Sean Hannity said, "Robert Gates ought to resign, and resign now. Because if Robert Gates wants to preside over the single dumbest defense scale-down in American history that puts us on a pre-9-11 footing, I would not want that on my watch. I wouldn't accept it on my watch. And for him to be, you know, wanting this position more than standing up for what's right is frankly surprising to me, and I thought that was one of the better choices of Obama."
  • On the April 7 edition of his Fox News program, Hannity compared the rhetoric of Obama to that of Franklin Roosevelt and asked, "Was that rhetoric similar in terms of the class warfare and the idea that America's no longer the land of the free and the land of opportunity, but the land of the nanny state, where the government will take care of all -- take away all your fears?"
  • On the April 6 edition of his Fox News program, Hannity falsely claimed that Obama plans to cut the defense budget, saying, "[H]ow dangerous is this road we're now on? You know, overseas contingency operation and you know -- what's the other one? -- man-caused disasters, if we believe [Homeland Security Secretary] Janet Napolitano. How dangerous is the mentality? We're going to cut defense." Earlier in the broadcast, Hannity said, "President Obama's trip to Europe culminated this morning with a speech that could have disastrous implications for America as it reveals a pre-9-11 appeasement mentality and approach to national security that is a threat to the United States."
  • On the March 30 edition of his Fox News program, while discussing the Obama administration's auto bailout plan with syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor Dick Morris, Hannity said, "The federal government -- and I don't think I overstate this for our audience -- is destroying our economic system as we currently know it. You have written that it's socialism, and it's mismanaged socialism."
  • Also on the March 30 edition of his Fox News program, Hannity said of the Obama administration's auto bailout plan, "[T]his is just the beginning. The administration is on a mission to hijack capitalism in favor of collectivism, to turn health care into a nationalized affair, and to redistribute the wealth of America. The Bolsheviks have already arrived, and they're here."
  • A March 26 Hannity promotion asked, "Is the budget a way to completely control our lives? And could it destroy us?"
  • On the March 24 edition of his radio show, Hannity said, "If the government takes too much money and nationalizes everything, I'm telling you, there are gonna be dire consequences, because we're gonna -- just like if it was a terror attack against America, Americans will get hurt."
  • On the March 25 edition of his Fox News show, Hannity said to guest Newt Gingrich, "So if we put all these things together -- that they control executive pay, that they can take over firms, retroactively tax people or target individuals as they did -- you used the term 'dictatorship.' That moves America towards a dictatorship?" Gingrich responded, "Look, it absolutely moves you towards a political dictatorship."
  • On the March 16 edition of his Fox News show, Hannity said, "If we can't use the term 'war on terror,' if we can't use the term 'enemy combatants,' it sounds to me like in many ways, even linguistically, we have literally, you know, surrendered."

Glenn Beck

  • On the April 6 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Fox News host Glenn Beck warned that Obama "will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun. He will make them more expensive; he'll tax them out of existence. He will because he has said he would. He will tax your gun or take your gun away one way or another."
  • On the March 30 edition of his Fox News program, Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama and other Democratic leaders as vampires, and said, "The government is full of vampires, and they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers."
  • On the March 27 edition of his Fox News program, Beck said, "Yesterday, the Senate passed a watered-down version of the AmeriCorps bill, a.k.a. the GIVE Act, which apparently we have problems with now. It basically indoctrinates your child into community service through the federal government."
  • On the March 10 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Beck said, "I read an article on Bloomberg last night that said the Manchurian Candidate couldn't destroy us faster than Barack Obama. If you were planning a sleeper to come in and become the president of the United States and dismantle us and take us down, this is how he would do it."
  • On the March 2 edition of his Fox News program, Beck claimed that Obama's proposal to reduce the tax rate at which families earning more than $250,000 per year can take itemized deductions (including charitable giving) to 28 percent "involves enslaving people" and is "evil."

Dick Morris

  • On the April 9 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, Morris reiterated his false claim that Obama ceded U.S. sovereignty to international economic regulators at the G-20 summit, and said, "What has been driving me crazy in the last few days is that last week, the president basically gave away our economic sovereignty to Europe."
  • On the April 6 edition of Hannity, Morris falsely claimed that in signing the G-20 communiqué establishing a new Financial Stability Board (FSB) at the Group of 20 economic summit in London, Obama had ceded U.S. sovereignty to international economic regulators: "Basically, from an economic standpoint, he's repealed [the Declaration of Independence]. We no longer have economic sovereignty."
  • On the April 3 edition of America's Newsroom, Morris falsely claimed of the FSB, "[I]t effectively ceded massive areas of American sovereignty to Europe and to the global economic mavens." Morris later claimed that "this literally is a massive surrender of sovereignty to an essentially European body."
  • On the March 31 edition of Fox News' Your World, Morris discussed his theory that Obama ceded sovereignty at the G-20 summit, and said, "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case."

Michael Savage

  • On the March 20 edition of The Savage Nation, Savage said, "Obama has a plan to force children into a paramilitary domestic army. It was exposed yesterday on WorldNetDaily."
  • On the March 9 broadcast of The Savage Nation, Savage declared that the American people are "watching a dictatorship emerge" out of Obama's presidency and added: "I think it is time to start talking about impeachment. Somebody's got to get this guy under control. He's out of control."

Frank Gaffney

  • On the April 7 broadcast of KSFO's The Lee Rodgers Program, Washington Times columnist Frank Gaffney said of Obama's call to seek "broader engagement" with the Muslim world based on "mutual respect," "It seems as though how Barack Obama spells respect is S-U-B-M-I-S-S-I-O-N."
  • On March 17, Gaffney wrote in The Washington Times, "President Obama on Friday reiterated for the umpteenth time his determination to develop a 'new relationship' with the Muslim world. On this occasion, the audience were the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and the Philippines. Unfortunately, it increasingly appears that, in so doing, he will be embracing the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood -- an organization dedicated to promoting the theo-political-legal program authoritative Islam calls Shariah and that has the self-described mission of 'destroying Western civilization from within.' "

Other conservative cable figures

  • On the April 2 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly asked, "Is President Obama selling out America? That is the subject of this evening's 'Talking Points Memo.' " O'Reilly later added, "Key question: Where does Barack Obama stand? Are the right-wing pundits correct? Is he down with the global-justice jihad?"
  • On the 31 March edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, host Lou Dobbs said of the Pay for Performance Act, "We are moving toward a combination of corporate power and political power that is so disturbingly similar to what we witnessed in Italy in the 1930s that it's not funny."
  • On the March 31 edition of America's Newsroom, Fox Business Network contributor Stuart Varney said of the Obama administration's plan to extend further federal government aid to GM, "[N]ow you're in the position where the government somehow has to coerce or force us all into buying the small cars that it insists Detroit puts out."
  • On the March 24 edition of Fox News' Studio B with Shepard Smith, Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano discussed Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's financial bailout plan and said, "I would now argue that the Obama administration is trashing the Constitution in order to micromanage the economy, Soviet-style. Remember when the Soviet Union managed the economy from Moscow? There were empty shelves on all of their stores, and nobody prospered, and there was no incentive to get ahead. Without the profit motive -- without the opportunity to get ahead, your economy will collapse, and Tim Geithner should know that."
  • On the March 4 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, co-host Joe Scarborough asserted, "This crisis that we're in is a crisis of where we spent too much and borrowed too much. By Republicans, right? So the Democrats' answer to that is spend more and borrow more." He later added that "both parties have -- are bankrupting us. They're moving us closer to European-style socialism, according to Newsweek. That's not a right-wing claim, it's the truth."

Other conservative radio hosts

  • On the April 6 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, radio host Steve Malzberg said of Obama, "I would think that most independent-minded people would understand what this man is all about, that this man does not love this country, that this man is trying to do what Hugo Chavez has done to Venezuela."
  • During the April 5 edition of the syndicated program The McLaughlin Group, radio host Monica Crowley claimed the G-20 communiqué is the "the first step to abrogating American sovereignty here, because ... it is going to allow European bureaucrats to step in, not just on the hedge fund regulation and the other explicit things that they agreed to, but buried deep down in this communiqué was the ability for European bureaucrats sitting in Brussels to decide what kind of executive compensation American executives should -- ", at which point Financial Times U.S. managing editor Chrystia Freeland interjected, "No, there was no authority like that there, Monica." Crowley responded, "I read it in the communiqué this morning."
  • On the April 6 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show, guest host Mark Steyn said of the White House's accidental distribution of a phone-sex telephone number, "[I]t seems to be the rest of the world getting nasty and we're the ones hanging upside down in the bondage dungeon being flogged and humiliated by the rest of the planet."
  • On the April 1 edition of Hannity, nationally syndicated radio host Mark Levin said of "the Obama plan" for the economy, "I view it as economic child abuse. I've been calling it that for the longest time because our children are being compelled to work for generations that will be dead for money that's already spent. Their opportunities will be limited. Their liberty will be limited. And we're enslaving them to a future that our ancestors didn't create for us."
  • On the March 18 broadcast of The Lee Rodgers Program, Rodgers discussed "Obama's relationship with the Islamic world" and said, "I don't make any bones about it. I think the guy's out to sell us out. I really do."
  • On the March 10 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, nationally syndicated radio talk show host Lars Larson said of Obama, "A lot of us want him to fail in most of what he's asking the country to do because we view it as an existential threat."

Scarborough is not the only NBC-affiliated media figure to echo the gloom and doom rhetoric. On the March 23 edition of CNBC's Street Signs, anchor Erin Burnett said that a proposed tax on recipients of bonuses whose employers have received government bailouts "to some echo[es] the Russian and French Revolutions." She continued, "Here's a question: Is America starting to look like Venezuela?" And on the March 3 edition of NBC's Today, CNBC host Jim Cramer asserted that Obama has a "radical agenda" and declared that Obama's budget "basically put a level of fear in this country that I have not seen ever in my life." He later claimed that Obama's policies are "the most, greatest wealth destruction I've seen by a president."

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    • Author by Marker (April 10, 2009 9:03 pm ET)
         

      Repugs will be a sad lot when President Obama succeeds. He will succeed and it will be no thanks to the repugs.

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      • Author by LuvLuLu (April 10, 2009 11:01 pm ET)
           

        A couple of days ago Rush Limbaugh was predicting that the economy would recover DESPITE the efforts of Obama's stimulus package. He's doing a common CYA effort. He is afraid that the economy will recover, and he's trying to set the stage to say "yes, it recovered, but that recovery was because of the American people, not because of anything that Obama did. In fact, it's despite Obama's efforts."

        It's maddening that they are trying so hard to hurt our nation.

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        • Author by snoopy (April 13, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
             

          Anybody know the dirty little secret of why he is carried on so many stations? It's called barter dealing. Rush's show is given away for free to smaller stations and in return get lots of advertising time for their pre-packaged ads. The smaller stations like the deal because that's one less staff member they have to pay.

          So basically, Rush gets popular by taking away jobs from the middle class.

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    • Author by proudconservative (April 10, 2009 9:28 pm ET)
         

      Call this the political answer to the what the left did in ramping up their efforts to undermine the soldiers prior to the surge...

      We support the soldier (Obama) but hate the war (socialism).  We are saying that the political surge to usher in socialism will fail, just like the lefties wanted us to lose in Iraq.  "It is our patriotic duty to stand up against the administration", said a one time candidate turned Secretary of State. 

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    • Author by DJNate (April 10, 2009 9:32 pm ET)
         

      Call this the political answer to the what the left did in ramping up their efforts to undermine the soldiers prior to the surge...

      We support the soldier (Obama) but hate the war (socialism).  We are saying that the political surge to usher in socialism will fail, just like the lefties wanted us to lose in Iraq.  "It is our patriotic duty to stand up against the administration", said a one time candidate turned Secretary of State.

      Let's see if our response via civil discourse and disobedience, attendance at upcoming tea parties will stem the tide of the surge to socialism.

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      • Author by rms (April 10, 2009 9:35 pm ET)
           

        "Lefties wanted us to lose in Iraq."  That is, the left wanted more dead American soldiers??

        A comment that stupid makes your entire post credibility-free...

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        • Author by DJNate (April 10, 2009 10:29 pm ET)
             

          No the left felt the war was already lost as the surge began.  Remember the love that leftists showed General Petraeus?  The methodology of the left was to undermine any effort that could lead to success during the war.  So conservatives are saying that we declare the socialism surge a failed enterprise.  So conservatives will do what the leftists did to the war on terror, attempt to put timetables, limit the decision-making ability of the military, call the footsoldiers coldblooded killers and threatening women and children.  We will call the leftists out by showing how the direction of its leadership is taking us toward a country with little resemblence to what the founding fathers envisioned for a country that celebrated individual liberty, to instead a place that defers liberty to central control, politburos and committees to serve the 'interests of the people'.

          We have the right and the obligation to protect our country from this surge of socialism.  See you at the party on the 15th!

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          • Author by steeve (April 10, 2009 10:41 pm ET)
               

            We only did all that as payback for the 90s, when your side committed treason by questioning the commander in chief while troops were in the field.

            Now that the score is even, we're waiting to see if the party that touts responsible behavior will set a good example.  We will reciprocate whatever you do.

            Put one of ours in the hospital, and we'll put one of yours in the morgue.

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          • Author by funnymanpants (April 10, 2009 10:50 pm ET)
               

            >>No the left felt the war was already lost as the surge began. 

            The war was and is lost. The rest of your post suffers from the flaw of reasoning by analogy. It's hard to answer the torturous comparsions you make. No one on the left called the soldeirs "coldblooded killers," and no one said they threatened women and children.

            What the founding fathers wanted is both complicated and irrelevant. Jefferson and Hamilton were both founding fathers and bitter enemies at the end of their life because they both had different vision of America. But that doesn't really matter. Many founding fathers thought it okay to own slaves and ethnically cleanse Native Americans, and thought only rich white men should vote. We are not beholden to what our founding fathers wanted.

            Last, it might come as a surprise to you, but socialism is alive and thriving in Europe, which has a better record of protecting individual liberty than America.

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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 11, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
                 

              funnyman, great response you are 100% correct and DJNate is a far right wing fool.

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            • Author by DJNate (April 11, 2009 11:05 pm ET)
                 

              Somethingfunnyinhisjeans,

              Thanks for making this all too easy!!

              First from Mr. Ketchup

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXaoavV1d4s&feature=related

              And from 'cut & run' Murhta

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXPw5Ragb4U&feature=related

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              • Author by funnymanpants (April 12, 2009 11:26 am ET)
                   

                >>Thanks for making this all too easy!!

                Too bad neither video supports your statement. Nowhere does the phrase "coldblooded killers" occurr in the video; Murtha is not a representative of the left; he was not referring to all soldiers.

                Kerry did not say that the troops were threateing children. Do you even watch the own stuff you post?

                And I noticed you did not address the rest of my post.

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                • Author by DJNate (April 12, 2009 9:02 pm ET)
                     

                  I'd be glad to respond to your denegration of the establishment of this country.  I only mentioned individual liberty and freedom in the previous post and I guess that those terms would get a leftist/progressive/liberal member of the democrat party pretty upset.  Remember the founders, with flaws and all, saw benefit in separating powers in a country, not making the possibility of another tyranny possible.  No one part of government should be taking on control of industry, banks, and private sector wealth.  Gee, guess what is happening now?  So again, my apologies on bringing up those nasty terms of personal liberty, freedom and responsibility that run so counter to the principles of the left.

                  As far as the other comments, with Murtha check out time 1:11 & especially at 2:30.  He attacks the soldiers and investigators in the military.  To date, ALL the accused soldiers have been vindicated and absolved from guilt.  Has ole cut and run Murtha ever apologized for calling these guys cold blooded killers?

                  As far as senator kerry-Heinz, listen from :40 on.

                  So, somethingfunnyinhispants, either get a hearing aid or listen more closely.  Any yes thank you for making this easy.

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                  • Author by funnymanpants (April 13, 2009 2:15 pm ET)
                       

                    >>I'd be glad to respond to your denegration of the establishment of this country. 

                    But nowhere did I denegrate the establishment of this country. I pointed out the flaws in saying we need to do what the founding fathers did. Nowhere did you address this; instead, you simply brought up another point about the separatino of powers, which I agree with, but has nothing to do with your original post.

                    Regarding the personal wealth of this country, I don't even know what you mean. Do you mean that the government shouldn't establish rules on the instituions we give money to? And why not--we are the shareholders.

                    ANd sorry, but your insults about getting a hearing aid arent' going to help you. Again, the quotes you attributed to those politicians don't occurr in the video. Who are you trying to fool, proud conservative?

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          • Author by worrierking (April 10, 2009 10:53 pm ET)
               

            You were able to hit on just about every stereotype in your screed.

            Funny that you guys are always going on about the obligation to protect our country, yet not many of those who lead your side ever suited up.

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            • Author by juliajayne (April 10, 2009 11:02 pm ET)
                 

              I don't think they take crackpots, do they? He's only eligible for the tin foil hat brigade.

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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 11, 2009 1:22 am ET)
                   

                Or the 101st Fighting Typists.

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                • Author by congero6189599 (April 11, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
                     

                  Naw, naw... I know who DJNate is!! He's the white guy on Tv in that corny rap group that tries to sound like the "beat box", but's always out of time!

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          • Author by my4cents (April 10, 2009 10:57 pm ET)
               

            "See you at the party on the 15th!"

            well. you will not see me there because I am busy preparing my tax returns. Did it when Bush was President, will do it when Obama is President, will do it when Sponge Bob is President.

            Good luck with your party.

            BTW, is Petraeus your hero?

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 10, 2009 11:26 pm ET)
               

            The methodology of the left was to undermine any effort that could lead to success during the war

            THAT is total and complete bull!

            Month after month, YEAR after YEAR, as the number of American soldiers dying increased, conservative right wingers were crying "we are winning". Month after month, YEAR after YEAR, conservative right wingers lied and said Saddam was part of 9/11 and Saddam had WMD's. NONE of that was true!

            THAT is what liberals protested about, the lie told by conservative right wingers to justify a war of CHOICE NOT a war of necessity.

            Conservative will continue to do what they've done for years, NOTHING!

            Buy a clue! The country has has enough of Republicans/conservative/fiscal conservative, or what ever you choose to call yourself. You offer nothing but more whinning.

            Have your tea parties while the adults go about trying to fix the mess YOU left this country in!

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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 11, 2009 1:31 am ET)
                 

              You are correct, Pearline.

              While the Democrats tried to get funding for body armor and personnel carriers thjat couldn't be pierced like tin foil, the Republicans were fighting against every bill that supported the troops, while voting for every bill that funded the private army of Blackwater and the price gouging and shoddy work of Halliburton.

              In the view of the GOP, volunteer soldiers who often had no other economic choice but to join the US military to feed and support their families did not deserve the protection that private mercenaries did. Blackwater was too valuable to be wasted as cannon fodder while war profiteer Cheney had poor expendible US volunteers to feed into the Iraq meat grinder.

              The GOP felt that every penny that went to body armor and troop protection  was one less penny that went into Dick Cheney's deferred Halliburton paycheck, so the troops died or were horribly maimed while Cheney got richer.

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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 11, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
                 

              PEARLENE, YOU AND FUNNYMAN HAVE GOT IT RIGHTand DJNate and his RIGHT WING PALS ARE ALL WRONG.

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            • Author by Cheney2012 (April 11, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
                 

              Try not to get any spit on your computer screen.

              Please crawl back under the left-wing rock from where you came and let the Patriots fix the country.

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              • Author by Handsome Pete (April 11, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
                   

                They're trying, but the Republicans keep filibustering and obstructing.

                Oh, you were referring to the bedwetters who are planning their astroturf protest of a 4% increase on the taxes of the richest 5 % in the country and calling it socialism?  Oh, I know, they're doing the lord's work (Vader's), and of course they need that extra cash for all the Pampers and Johnson and Johnson's, but I'm afraid 'no more tears' is a bigger promise than a mere shampoo can deliver.

                Dry your eyes, darling.  The adults ARE in charge.

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              • Author by worrierking (April 11, 2009 3:57 pm ET)
                   

                The New England Patriots?

                Usually self-described patriots wouldn't know patriotism if it came up and bit them on the ass.

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              • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 11, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
                   

                CHENEY , Like your mamesake why dont YOU crawl back into the hole you came from and let us fix the mess that YOUR heros left us.

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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 11, 2009 7:43 pm ET)
                   

                Please crawl back under the left-wing rock from where you came and let the Patriots fix the country.

                Cheney2012, how appropriate. You must be the same "patriot" who couldn't be bothered to show up and fight for his country in Vietnam.

                I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. James Baldwin

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            • Author by DJNate (April 11, 2009 11:39 pm ET)
                 

              greatscott1492,

              I recall just about every leftist/progressive/liberal in the democrat party calling the war a failure.  Hindsight is nice but remember Bob Woodward quoted the CIA director (a holdover from the Clinton Adm) telling President Bush that the probabilty of WMD in Iraq was a slamdunk.  Over the course of the Clinton years, numerous time, the leftists themselves talked about him having these and the need to take Saddam out.  It was during the 14 month build up to the invasion of Iraq that the left, putting their dampened fingers in the wind of the country's sentiment, that they gladly jumped on the idea of going to war.  There are many videos on youtube and such showing the lefties demanding Saddam to face the consequences in case you need to be reminded.

              When things got tough, and the nation felt less sure about the war, that leftist damp finger went into the air to again gauge public opinion (you see leftists have a knack for moving fluidly because of the absence of core principles except holding onto power) and whah-lah, we create an anti-war movement.  When the surge was proposed, the leftist/progressive/liberal democrat party began parading their leaders front and center to undermine the war.  They call General Petraeus, General Betrayus, the now Secretary of State calls him a liar when she says she has to put aside reason to believe him.  Harry Reid calls the surge a failed policy before it starts as our now president fully agreed.  Pelosi goes to Syria and has Lantos and another congresswoman from NY, meet with the marxist Kurdish leadership to stir up fighting in Northern Iraq and Turkey.  They, the leftist/progressive/socialist democrat party, also, find in absolutely necessary to at a critical moment for supplying our troops in Iraq, to declare that a war that happened in Turkey over 100 years ago should now be called 'genocide'.  That was critical for them to disrupt supply lines and encourage Turkish troops to go into Iraq and undermine our troops.

              Even our president now sees how changing Iraq from tyranical leadership to freedom was extraordinary:

              "You have given Iraq the opportunity to stand on its own as a democratic country," the president said as he made a brief inspection of a war he opposed as candidate and now vows to end as commander in chief. "That is an extraordinary achievement."

              As far as the tea parties, you've got to love this kind of community organizing don't you?

              And by the way, just call me a very proud conservative thank you!

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              • Author by mary59 (April 12, 2009 12:31 am ET)
                   

                Pride goeth before a fall, PC.  In humility is great power.  Happy Easter.

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                • Author by DJNate (April 12, 2009 8:41 pm ET)
                     

                  Mary,

                  Remember, our Lord declared before the Sanhedrin that he had already made it clear who he was.  Being honest Mary, is a declaration of truth.  My name is stating who I am and what I believe politically, because we both know that standing with the Savior is not made possible by correct politics.  Celebrate the day!

                    Christ IS risen, HE is risen indeed!

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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 13, 2009 7:58 am ET)
                       

                    "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

                    --Mohandas Gandhi

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                  • Author by historygeek001 (April 13, 2009 11:48 am ET)
                       

                    Christ, of course, would not support the Iraqi war.  Christ, of course, would not support ANY violence done in His name.  Christ, of course, espoused radically liberal ideas such as charity, acceptance, and civil rights for everybody. 

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              • Author by loonz (April 12, 2009 7:25 am ET)
                   

                Your post is filled with lies.  No one on the left was waving any fingers in the wind and very few on the left (I lumped them in with Neocons) were pushing for war.  Democrats were pushing the diplomatic route and Bush and the Neocons chose war.  We could have saved tens of thousands of American lives and limbs and who knows how many Iraqi lives and limbs.  The Bush administration should be facing war crime charges for all the death and destruction they have caused.

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              • Author by funnymanpants (April 12, 2009 11:30 am ET)
                   

                >>I recall just about every leftist/progressive/liberal in the democrat party calling the war a failure.  Hindsight is nice

                Yes, you know what is also nice? Foresight. Who had the foresight to actually know the war was going to be a failure beforehand? We leftists who organized protests around the world and stated that the UN, the only agency in Iraq checking for WMDs, was correct.

                Who was right Nate, and who was wrong?

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                • Author by DJNate (April 12, 2009 8:47 pm ET)
                     

                  hilariousguypantloons,

                  The leftist/progressive/socialist democrat party insisted on several votes to declare war and attack Iraq.

                  It was only later that they attempted to backtrack and to undermine the soldiers.  It was AFTER their vote and after the invasion had happened that they developed the forsight you mention.  They voted on the same intelligence that we and the whole had and believe.

                  AFTER is when they declared failure and BEFORE the surge ever began. 

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                  • Author by mefirst (April 12, 2009 11:22 pm ET)
                       

                    it was bush who keeps lying about how he had to invade because saddam "wouldn't let the inspectors in".  he's a liar, they were there, finding nothing at the sites we sent them to, and it was bush who told the u.n. to remove them because we were going to invade.

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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 13, 2009 8:01 am ET)
                       

                    The leftist/progressive/socialist democrat party insisted on several votes to declare war and attack Iraq.

                    Well, since there is no such thing as "the leftist/progressive/socialist democrat party," you are proven wrong yet again.

                    Do you actually enjoy having a correctness record of zero for the entire 21st century?

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              • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 12, 2009 2:25 pm ET)
                   

                DJ If  you believer all that garbage you just wrote thah PROUD FOOL would be a more appropriate name.

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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 12, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
                   

                I recall just about every leftist/progressive/liberal in the democrat party calling the war a failure.

                It’s the Democratic party. 

                Petty name calling simply tells others that you're juvenile AND pathetic.

                Hindsight is nice but remember Bob Woodward quoted the CIA director (a holdover from the Clinton Adm) telling President Bush that the probabilty of WMD in Iraq was a slamdunk. 

                Since Bush and conservatives thought Clinton was such a horrible president and Bush CHOOSE to keep Clinton's CIA director, who's the moron for believing what the CIA director said?

                Over the course of the Clinton years, numerous time, the leftists themselves talked about him having these and the need to take Saddam out.

                Bill Clinton NEVER WENT TO WAR WITH IRAQ!!!! Get it? 

                And there's a problem with your "Clinton thought Saddam had wmd's" theory.

                If conservatives think Bill Clinton was a liar, WHY in the world would conservatives believe Bill Clinton, if Clinton thought Saddam had wmd's? WHY? 

                Pelosi goes to Syria

                SO WHAT?  April 1, Reps. Frank Wolf (R-VA), Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA) and Robert Aderholt (R-AL) traveled to Damascus and met with Assad, two days before Pelosi's scheduled trip.  

                Even our president now sees how changing Iraq from tyranical leadership to freedom was extraordinary:

                "Iraq democracy" was just the last excuse for war after "wmd's", "9/11" and the "mushroom cloud" all proved to be flat out lies. And President Obama congratulated the TROOPS on THEIR performance, not on the excuse Bush gave for CHOOSING war.

                As far as the tea parties, you've got to love this kind of community organizing don't you?

                With Limbo, Beck and Bill O, I'm sure the tea parties will be laugh a minute comedy.

                And by the way, just call me a very proud conservative thank you!

                PC, with that petty name calling, I should have known it was you.

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          • Author by mjh (April 10, 2009 11:52 pm ET)
               

            "We have the right and the obligation to protect our country from this surge of socialism. " - DJNate

            Then you're a day late and a dollar short . . . Dubya signed a Wall St. bailout of $700 billion months ago . . . where was all the "teabagging" then?


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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 11, 2009 1:32 am ET)
                 

              where was all the "teabagging" then?

              That depends. Where in the White House was Jeff Gannon?

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            • Author by DJNate (April 11, 2009 11:57 pm ET)
                 

              Just like Hoover, Bush tried to have government overstep its bounds in taking control over the economy.  FDR continued that policy and now our president and ramped up this surge to socialism to warp speed.

              Conservatives complained about Bush's spending, and the republican party's, too, before the bailouts.  This was just another failed Hoover/FDR move to exacerbate problems in the economy.  Most of us would have done nothing rather than keep sinking money into an imploding company or sector.  Tons of more appropriate actions could have been taken to get the country moving forward.

              We were there complaining back then, now we are fighting the surge to socialism more vociferously.

              PS.  When will congress investigate this part of our economic troubles?  An electronic run on the banks back in September.......

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xKPcyvlfnc

              Is there a country that would want to do this to our economy or an individual (George Soros, a know manipulator of currencies?) to bring us to the brink of collapse?  Don't hold your breath waiting for the leftists to dig too deeply into this.

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              • Author by loonz (April 12, 2009 7:06 am ET)
                   

                Hoover took a hands-off approach for much of his presidency and the economy deteriorated quickly.  He didn't believe anything was wrong and he even claimed that all those people selling apples on the streets to survive were entrepreneurs and filling a market gap.  It was late in his presidency when reality hit him and he began to intervene.  The economy started to improve but it was too late for him.  FDR was elected and increased spending beyond Hoover and the economy continued to improve and he built a safety net for those who were left behind.  He was reelected a couple of times and then the advent of WW2 came upon us.  People were hired in factories to meet the military demands and the economy took off.


                One more thing, FDR ran on a conservative economic platform (decreased spending to balance the budget) and he didn’t have the support of labor.  The American people and Democrats in Congress had to push him in the direction he went.  He ran on a more progressive platform in subsequent elections and he won decisively.

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                • Author by DJNate (April 12, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
                     

                  loonster,

                  Try this on for size:  http://biz.yahoo.com/investopedia/080814/3761.html?.v=1

                  Presidential Blunders
                  President Roosevelt rode into office by characterizing a "do nothing" attitude. In truth, however, his predecessor, Herbert Hoover, had done far too much to try to halt the recession following the crash. One of Hoover's main concerns was that workers' wages would be cut following the economic downturn. In order to ensure artificially high wages among all businesses, he reasoned, prices needed to stay high so companies would continue producing. To keep prices high, consumers with the money would need to pay more. Yet the public had been burned badly in the crash, and most did not have the resources to overpay for products.

                  This bleak reality forced Hoover to use legislation, the government's trump card, to try to prop up wages. Following in the unfortunate tradition of the protectionists, Congress tried to restrict the flow of foreign goods by passing the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. Because foreign nations weren't willing to buy over-priced American goods any more than Americans were, Hoover decided to choke out cheap imports. The Smoot-Hawley Act started out as a way to protect agriculture, but swelled into a multi-industry tariff. Other nations retaliated with their own tariffs, essentially cutting off international trade. Not surprisingly, the economic conditions worsened worldwide and the U.S. economy sunk from a recession into a depression.

                  Although Roosevelt promised change when he came into office, he continued Hoover's economic intervention, only on a bigger scale. He created the New Deal with the best intentions, but like Hoover's wage controls, it backfired. With previous recession/depression cycles, the U.S. suffered one to three years of low wages and unemployment before the dropping prices led to a recovery. Responding to this historical trend of a few hard years followed by a recovery, American industrialist and philanthropist J.D. Rockefeller remarked, "These are days when many are discouraged. In the 93 years of my life, depressions have come and gone. Prosperity has always returned and will again." By attempting to immediately recover without swallowing the bitter pill of two hard years, Hoover and Roosevelt may have actually prolonged the pain.

                  If only Hoover had been hands off and FDR stopped government manipulation of the economy, the country would have recovered and not had the unecessary extension of the depression in the 30's and 40's.

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                  • Author by congero6189599 (April 13, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
                       

                    Okay, you got me.  Soo your proposing that we shouldn't have spent in wwii?  That was government spending wasn't it?  So you were against the GI Bill also after the war that resulted in the creation of the middle class, then of course you were also against the government spending in the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe and Japan?  Your no government intervention philosophy and let the market correct itself would have resulted in disaster and has no place in reality.  Your Hoover intervention examples only show how backward HE was.  He raised prices while lowering wages???????That's crazy and iif true , the results are obvious.  How could lay-ed off and underpaid workers afford the overpriced products?  That is not what's being proposed now . Your examples don't prove your point just the opposite. 

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                  • Author by congero6189599 (April 13, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
                       

                    DJNATE brings back Proudconservative.. HAhaha your too funny dude!

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              • Author by loonz (April 12, 2009 7:11 am ET)
                   

                One question:

                How does the market correct itself if the spending power of Americans is decreasing and the demand for goods and services is not there?

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              • Author by funnymanpants (April 12, 2009 11:36 am ET)
                   

                >>Most of us would have done nothing [to get us out of the great depresion] rather than keep sinking money into an imploding company or sector.  Tons of more appropriate actions could have been taken to get the country moving forward.

                Yes, and you would have only dug America in deeper. History shows that FDR's policies were largely successful.

                As I stated above, socialism is alive and well in countries in Europe, which have very healthy economies. (Do you know Germany is "the world's leading exporter of merchandise?")

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              • Author by funnymanpants (April 12, 2009 11:38 am ET)
                   

                >>onservatives complained about Bush's spending, and the republican party's, too, before the bailouts

                Really? Were there teabag parties held? Did Most of the conservatives vote against him in 2004?

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            • Author by lisafrequency2184 (April 12, 2009 9:17 am ET)
                 

              Believe me we called our representives and said no to the bailouts but they did it anyway. Back then we still had jobs now with all this idle time on our hands a tea party seems like a good idea.

              Don't forget lefties your girl Nancy Peloski was pushing for war and the bailouts.

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          • Author by loonz (April 11, 2009 8:16 am ET)
               

            "No the left felt the war was already lost as the surge began."

            This is a lie.  Our goal was to stop a war that should have never been fought and perhaps get the Bush administration in front of the war crimes tribunal for all the death and destruction they caused.

            "We have the right and the obligation to protect our country from this surge of socialism.  See you at the party on the 15th!"

            It's not going to happen.  Humans are wired to feel compassion and to help those who can't help themselves but something went horribly wrong with conservatives.  The republican party is quickly becoming the fifth column and pushing themselves further and further into irrelevancy.  Anyway, have fun with your fellow nuts at your tea party.

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            • Author by Cheney2012 (April 11, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
                 

              Not only did the left feel the war was lost before the surge, the left did everyhting they could to ensure defeat from Day 1 because they had political disagreements with George Bush.

              That, my friend is a FACT. 

              They continue now to see to it that terrorists are appeased and our security and national pride are permanently damaged. 

              The leaders of the fifth column are named Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Murtha, Emanuel, Podesta, Soros

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              • Author by worrierking (April 11, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
                   

                The war was won in a matter of months. It was over in 2003. After that it wasn't a war but an occupation. And in any occupation the occupier cannot win.

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              • Author by knowlies (April 11, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
                   

                "...the left did everyhting they could to ensure defeat from Day 1... That, my friend is a FACT. "  -Cheney2012.

                Good. Then you shouldn't have any problem backing that up with your "facts". What you pinheads fail to realize is that many progressives have friends and family serving in Iraq. When idiots like yourself, DJNate and the rest of the right-wing tools spout off that nonsense it illustrates that you fools have NO idea what your talking about.

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                • Author by DJNate (April 11, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
                     

                  knowless,

                  Please see above posting on the love and support for the military the leftisit/progressive/socialist/ democrat party has shown.

                  peace-out

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              • Author by knowlies (April 11, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
                   

                "...our security and national pride are permanently damaged. "

                Bush/Cheney

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              • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 11, 2009 5:08 pm ET)
                   

                NO, CHENEY the leaders of the fifth column are LIMBAUGH, HANNITY, LEVIN, COULTER and DARTH CHENEY.The IRAQ WAR should never been fought .Your RIGHT WING HEROS LIED to get us into the war than continued to lie afterword. 4000 plus dead 30,000 plus wounded, (AMERICAN)  all because the greedy a--holes in the executive branch at the time, except COLIN POWELL,  thought that the war would be cheap, easy ,and short. Well your heros were WRONG on all counts and we are still paying for their mistakes with no end in site. CHENEY,you need a dose of reality. If you love this war so much, why dont you vollenteer to go over there instead of staying here with the rest of the RIGHT WING CHICKENHAWKS

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              • Author by loonz (April 11, 2009 10:50 pm ET)
                   

                Not only did the left feel the war was lost before the surge, the left did everyhting they could to ensure defeat from Day 1 because they had political disagreements with George Bush.

                It had nothing to do with win or lose.  The war should have never been fought.  And all the people in the Bush administration should be facing war crime charges for all the death and destruction they caused.

                They continue now to see to it that terrorists are appeased and our security and national pride are permanently damaged.

                Conservatives did that own their own by instigating a war in the Iraq for reasons no one really knows.  The Bush administration should be facing war crime charges.

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              • Author by mari2jj (April 12, 2009 1:38 am ET)
                   

                And you know this so called fact HOW?  Those are obviously your ideas but they do not at all reflect how "us librul guys feel".  Actually, the reason we are so interested in Iraq is that we have sons and daughters and grandchildren over there fighting.  Not at all like the two guys who got us into the mess in the first place.  You know G. W. flew a bit but never went to Vietnam and of course, Cheney buggered outof serving entirely saying he had more important things to do.  For certain I would rather have friends like Obama, Pelosi, Clinton etc that the zeig heil types that started this sensless war based on a pack of lies or sheer stupidity!  Take your pick.

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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 13, 2009 8:07 am ET)
                   

                That, my friend is a FACT.

                "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts." --Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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              • Author by congero6189599 (April 13, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
                   

                So after this weekend and wiith the death toll in March of over 500 Iraqi's you have nerve to claim victory??? You conservatives are really silly with this victory and the surge worked claims. 

                   Lets say you feel someone brush up against you and you believe your wallet was stolen you track down the guy you think stole it and beat the snot out of him and has you stand to straighten yourself up you check your back pocket and find your wallet...I hardly think that would be a victory!?!?

                       Yes your correct the "left" had political disagreements with Bush and we were proven correct and that is a FACT!  No WMD,no ties to Al-Queda, no connection to 9/11 all reasons we were given for invading Iraq. 

                      Your loony-toon view of the war makes me chuckle.  The Iraq war is bankrupting us, Iran has grown stronger, our military is exhausted and we still face the dangers we did before 9/11 but all you see is victory!?!?

                            Well Mr. Cheney2012 please enlighten us to the victories!  No spin just what in the heck have has this war accomplished?

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            • Author by mefirst (April 11, 2009 7:21 pm ET)
                 

              the war in iraq is not "won".  remember how we were going to be in and out?  it was going to pay for itself?  democracy would break out all over the middle east?  when did all that happen.  most polls show americans now think that iraq was not worth it.  at best, it will probably end up with a religious dominated government.   at worst, they will be killing each other over ethnic and religious differences.   and we will have spent a couple trillion dollars and lost thousands of americans and many horribly wounded for nothing.  nothing.

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              • Author by mefirst (April 11, 2009 7:54 pm ET)
                   

                that was meant for cheney

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              • Author by loonz (April 12, 2009 7:48 am ET)
                   

                I have a different take on things so I'll reply to your post.


                For me it was never a question of win or lose; I disagreed with the misbegotten war so the business of how it was waged was not of concern to me.  It would be like debating the pros and cons of Hitler's invasion of Poland (I used that example because I couldn't think of anything else).  The war should have never been fought and the Bush administration should be prosecuted for all the Americans and Iraqis they got killed.

                And even if all those objectives you listed were achieved, it still wouldn't change the fact that Bush illegally invaded an unarmed country and caused massive death and destruction.  The cons are aggressively pushing the argument that the ends justify all the lies, deception, death and destruction and I'm calling BS.

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                • Author by mefirst (April 12, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
                     

                  my take is that we never should have invaded, bush is an immoral liar, but i don't think it's incorrect  to say that the majority of the civilian deaths came about because of them killing each other over religious and eithnic differences.  there are entire neighborhoods that were "cleansed" of the other side.  i never thought we should have invaded, wmd or not, and the reason was because we would end up getting the blame for everything that went wrong.  i agree that saddam kept a lid on things, but that doesn't seem to be much of a choice for a country, ruthless murdering dictator or chaos.

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          • Author by kadawinters8842 (April 11, 2009 8:47 am ET)
               

            What the founding fathers envisioned for this country? You have to be absolutely insane because Washington said not that is not to become entangled in other countries overseas...The left never once wanted to see American kids killed or any others for that matter only you conservatives wanted to see people slaughtered because you have never met a war you didn't just love or a gun or plane or ship you didn't fall head overheals in love with. You make most rational people sick with your insanity of saying we are going to win this war. This is a country who had the crap kicked out of it and was under a U.N. Mandate from the world not to trade with it. It was prostrate and Bush and co. came and tried to bully it into giving up it's oil and they had the balls to say Hell no!!! If Obama fails you moron then the world as you and I know it will fail too because it was naked capitalism that got us into this mess and you I dare say people can't wait to see how America fails. That it being a traitor.

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        • Author by welterwill998306 (April 12, 2009 11:37 pm ET)
             

          no way bud, the left didn't want our troops to be over their do everybody a favor and get the facts not the distorted reconstruction of phrases and the meanings behind them.

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      • Author by loonz (April 11, 2009 7:58 am ET)
           

        You have got to be kidding me.  You people are completely nuts.  You're seeing things that are not me.  All of you need to seek help.

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    • Author by juliajayne (April 10, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
         

      Demographics in this counrty are trending towards Democrats now and long into the future. And the GOP is feeling the threat. So they're hitting back with anything they have or can conjure up. It really would be quite the spectacle, if it weren't so damn typical and just plain sad.

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      • Author by roundhouse (April 11, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
           

        True. Speaking of the future, we can't go back to the way we were. There's not enough oil in the ground, our global environment is degrading rapidly and our global economies are so intertwined now that the very way we look at and do culture will have to change. And rattling the status quo is not what conservatives are good at, so they will need to adapt to progress or dwindle.

        As it is today, conservatives are fiercely clinging to the old ways of consumerism, materialism and individualism. As progressive solutions to problems continue to improve people's lives, provided lefties take the opportunity to talk about the connection between policy and individual well-being, the right will continue to lose support for their tired ideas.  

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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 11, 2009 7:06 pm ET)
             

          ROUNDHOUSE YOU ARE RIGHT. If we go back and look at history,we'll see that any real change for the better like, child labor laws, the right to form a union,better working conditions for everyone , womens rights including the right to vote, civil rights and ending slavery and segregation, were pushed by progressives or liberals while the conservatives, then and now opposed these measures for their own greedy reasons a nd had to be dragged kicking and scraeming like little children into the light of a new day.

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    • Author by urightme3596 (April 11, 2009 6:22 am ET)
         

      Only in America can you make millions on the radio by spreading and reenforcing fear everyday to the already weak and fearful who probably sleep with the light on.

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    • Author by kadawinters8842 (April 11, 2009 8:32 am ET)
         

      Let's see. The middle class has been targeted to pay the most in taxes. The middle class, not the rich elites, send their kids to be killed in America;s imperialistic wars of greed and gather. Lenin said that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth. With the elite of the radio spewing hatred and lies it is no wonder you have wing nuts going off and killing people. No it is not because of the Iowa same sex marriage business. If Obama fails as thei neocons wish then America loses and that is exactly what they want because then they can come in and pick up the pieces at bargain prices as if they haven't raped the country enough. Let them take their filthy lucre overseas and see how much they get to keep.

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    • Author by welterwill998306 (April 11, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
         

      Is some kind of united denying of truth and reason by conservatives. Limbaugh as well as republicans like Karl Rove have "in the eyes of the public" been proven to be lyers and caught in completely scandalis acts of drug abuse, sexual offenses, taxfraud and conspiracy not to mention torture. How can anybody who has an important show that is supposed to keep america informed on todays news be listening to these corrupt conservatives and present "ONLY" opinions and paranoid delusions. This is either extreme propaganda support or some weird kind of insanity adapted by bitter and undeveloped conservative minds.Still its rather good for the democrats in some ways. Like the fact that they are following  reality based news.

                           

                                      welterwill

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    • Author by ZIRGAR (April 11, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
         

      Of course, none of these conservative claims is close to being true nor will any of them come to pass, but the thing is, when these things don't happen the conservatives will take the credit. They'll just say that because of their diligence and stalwart defense of all that's good and holy that President Obama simply backed down and didn't follow through on his evil plans to destroy the U.S.

      President Obama: damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

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    • Author by info9808 (April 11, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
         

      The great Charles Krauthammer defined Bush Derangement Syndrome as "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush."

      Criticism of Obama is not based on paranoia, so Obama Derangement Syndrome seems to be an inapt term, especially when it is his supporters for apear to be deranged.

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    • Author by MrBrown (April 11, 2009 8:23 pm ET)
         

      We have to understand that these guys have lost cred for good when they labled a defense spending increase, as a spending cut.  O_o

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    • Author by mari2jj (April 12, 2009 1:21 am ET)
         

      Actually I am a liberal and I did NOT want G W to even invade Iraq on the false pretense that they had the nuke ready to bomb heck out of someone.  That was all a figment of the G W mind if he had one.  I am certain that he was determined to invade no matter what just to outdo his daddy so he just trumped up the lies about nukes.  I notice Rush avoids that fact in his tirade agaisnt Obama.  So Rush and his dittohead choir are just flat out wrong.  I never wanted any of our military to die in Iraq and that they did should haunt G. W. Bush for the rest of his life.  You can count on Obama to get us out of Iraq as he promised and that is why we elected him.  The conservative era of warmongering is over and as hard as elRushbo and his other conservative 'yes folks' might try, it is obvious they have lost their mojo.  In spite of his gigantic ego and his constant anti-Obama tirades, his presidential candidate still lost and mine won!!!!!

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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 12, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
           

        MARI2JJ, well said and so true.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 13, 2009 8:15 am ET)
           

        I never understood how wanting the troops home safe and sound was showing a lack of support for them, while wanting them to stay in Iraq with inadequate body armor, armored vehicles with insufficient armor, and inadequate ordnance, is supporting them.

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    • Author by colinjames1971 (April 12, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
         

      Where were all these Defenders of Freedom and Champions of the American Way when Bush was dismantling our rights, eavesdropping without warrants, torturing, lying to involve us in a war of choice, claiming executive powers unprecedented in our history... it's like he was personally teabagging America, and telling everyone who objected to go suck it.

      These whackos are yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, when no fire exists except the one consuming their brains. Totally irresponsible, while their claims are demonstrably false to anyone with the power to reason.

      And to defenders of "The Surge"... it wasn't the surge, it was us paying off Sunnis which led to peace, relatively. And now it looks like that whole country is on the verge of erupting into violence. We haven't accomplished jack in Iraq.

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    • Author by DJNate (April 12, 2009 9:36 pm ET)
         

       When will congress investigate this part of our economic troubles?  An electronic run on the banks back in September.......

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xKPcyvlfnc

      Is there a country that would want to do this to our economy or an individual (George Soros, a know manipulator of currencies?) to bring us to the brink of collapse?  Influence an election?

      Don't hold your breath waiting for the leftists to dig too deeply into this.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 13, 2009 8:17 am ET)
           

        Who was President back in September? It certainly wasn't George Soros.

        I'll let the "righties" (more correctly known as the "wrongies") dig into this. After all, they're good at reaching the bottom of the barrel, and continuing to dig.

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      • Author by congero6189599 (April 13, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
           

        Nate don't let facts get in your haste to blame democrats for everything.  George Bush turned the Department of Justice into a department that would do his bidding.  You remember Monica Goodling(sp), don't you.  You also remember that it was GB who was president in September? I don't remeber you calling for an investigation of anything a Republican has done?

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    • Author by rpw7151963 (April 13, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
         

      As far as Rush Limbaugh's comment about President Obama destroying everything that America stands for--uh, doesn't he know that the Bush/Cheney administration totally forgot to read the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights?

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