Conservative media unleash violent, revolutionary rhetoric
SUMMARY: Numerous conservative media figures have called for a "revolution" or have invoked violent rhetoric while discussing the Obama administration or government in general. In addition to encouraging violence, such violent rhetoric has also included suggesting Obama's policies were doing violence to the American people and depicting Obama as a rapist, spousal abuser, or mobster.
Since President Obama's inauguration, numerous conservative media figures have called for a "revolution" or have invoked violent rhetoric while discussing the Obama administration or government in general. In addition to encouraging violence, such violent rhetoric has also included suggesting Obama's policies were doing violence to the American people and depicting Obama as a rapist, spousal abuser, or mobster.
Media Matters for America has previously noted that since Obama's inauguration, conservative media figures have made ominous, even apocalyptic claims about the impact policies pursued by Obama and other progressives might have on the United States; warned of impending socialism, fascism, communism, Nazism, McCarthyism, or Marxism under the Obama administration; asserted or suggested that under Obama, U.S. sovereignty may give way to a one-world government; and warned their audiences that Obama's administration will seize their guns. Media Matters has compiled the following examples of revolutionary or violent rhetoric:
- During the April 9 edition of his Fox News program, Glenn Beck claimed to be imitating Obama while pouring liquid from a gasoline can -- which he later stated was water -- on an "average American." Beck said during his demonstration: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the republic."
- In an April 9 NewsBusters.org post, associate editor Noel Sheppard repeatedly used the acronym WACO -- which he wrote stood for the "War Against Conservative Opinion" -- in discussing how "liberal bloggers blamed right-leaning media members -- in particular, Fox News's Glenn Beck -- for the shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania."
- On the April 1 edition of Fox News' Hannity, nationally syndicated radio host Mark Levin said of "the Obama plan" for the economy: "I view it as economic child abuse. I've been calling it that for the longest time because our children are being compelled to work for generations that will be dead for money that's already spent. Their opportunities will be limited. Their liberty will be limited. And we're enslaving them to a future that our ancestors didn't create for us."
- In a March 31 post on RedState.com, while discussing a Washington county's ban on certain kinds of dishwasher detergent, managing editor Erick Erickson wrote of politicians: "At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?" Erickson later added: "Were I in Washington State, I'd be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation."
- During the March 31 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, while discussing Obama's foreign and economic policies, Fox News contributor Dick Morris said: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case."
- During the March 30 edition his Fox News program, Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama and Democrats as vampires and said, "The government is full of vampires, and they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers."
- On the March 26 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-hosts Brian Kilmeade and Gretchen Carlson hosted Michael Franzese, the former caporegime of La Cosa Nostra's Colombo crime family, to discuss similarities in the way Democratic leaders and progressive figures are "operating" and "the way we used to operate on the street." Kilmeade began the segment by asking, "So, is this a big stretch to think that, all of a sudden, the Washington, D.C., has become our Godfather?" Asked by Carlson what he would "call" Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, Franzese replied that Geithner is "like an underboss to me. I mean, he's doing the work of, you know, the whole family, and he's kind of the guy out front, and looking to exercise control." When Kilmeade later asked how House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) would fit "in the mob," Franzese replied that Pelosi and Frank are like "the lady and the guy that Obama is kind of stuck with to appease the rest of the family," and he also referred to Obama as "the boss."
- During the March 25 edition of Sean Hannity's radio program, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) told Hannity she is calling for "an orderly revolution" so that Democrats can't "achieve their ends any longer." In response to Bachmann's statement, Hannity said: "Well, I'm inspired by what you're saying, Congresswoman, and I only hope that your fellow Republicans get as energetic and as outspoken as you are here." From Hannity's radio program:
BACHMANN: At this point, the American people -- it's like Thomas Jefferson said, a revolution every now and then is a good thing. We are at the point, Sean, of revolution. And by that, what I mean -- an orderly revolution, where the people of this country wake up and get up and make a decision that this is not going to happen on their watch. It won't be our children and grandchildren that are in debt. It is we who are in debt. We will be bankrupt in this country inside of 10 years if we don't get a grip. And we can't let the Democrats achieve their ends any longer.
HANNITY: Well, I'm inspired by what you're saying, Congresswoman, and I only hope that your fellow Republicans get as energetic and as outspoken as you are here.
Bachmann later stated: "[W]e can never forget that the Founders were rebelling against a governmental authority that abused their taxation power. And that was the tyranny. That's exactly what's happening right now. And we have to -- we have to rise up and say, 'No more. Not on my watch. No more.' " At the conclusion of the interview, Hannity encouraged Bachmann to "keep going, and I promise you, as they attack you, you're going to have conservatives like myself in your corner, I promise you." Hannity then added: "Boy, that was inspiring."
- In a March 12 column for the conservative news site WorldNetDaily.com, Erik Rush wrote that Obama is a "closet communist" and "pathological liar." Rush then compared Obama to a rapist, writing: "A few weeks ago, a television commentator in the alternative press suggested that Obama seemed to be attempting to 'ram it through,' in reference to the urgency with which he promoted the stimulus bill. Indeed -- like the proverbial cellblock rapist, our president is 'ramming' as much of his Marxist agenda down our collective throats as quickly as he can. One would think he fears that someone might come around the corner at any second and catch him." Rush's column was noted on Media Matters editor Terry Krepel's ConWebWatch blog.
- In a March 9 post on FoxNews.com's Fox Forum, Sheppard defended Rush Limbaugh's repeated statements that he hopes Barack Obama fails by invoking secessionists during the Civil War, writing:
Is it really wrong or even unpatriotic to want the president and/or his policies to fail? Hasn't this likely been the case in this country since its very birth?
It is an indisputable, historical fact that many Colonists did not support independence from England, and were hoping with all their heart and all their soul that President George Washington would fail.
Less than a century later, likely half the nation hoped President Abraham Lincoln didn't succeed in defeating the Confederacy.
The argument today is that wishing ill upon President Obama is unpatriotic because of the fragile condition of our economy -- but it is a metaphysical certitude that Washington and Lincoln presided over a much weaker nation than what we are facing in 2009.
- In his March 9 column for WorldNetDaily, actor and political activist Chuck Norris wrote: "How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority according to America's Declaration of Independence." Norris also wrote, "On Glenn Beck's radio show last week, I quipped in response to our wayward federal government, 'I may run for president of Texas.' That need may be a reality sooner than we think."
- Interviewing Norris on the March 3 edition of his radio program, according to a transcript posted on his website, Beck stated: "Somebody asked me this morning, they said, you really believe that there's going to be trouble in the future. And I said, if this country starts to spiral out of control and, you know, and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control. ... Americans will, they just, they won't stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up. And they said, where's that going to come from? And I said Texas, it's going to come from Texas." Beck then asked Norris, "Do you agree with that, Chuck, or not?" to which Norris replied, "Oh, yeah. You know, Texas is a republic, you know. ... [W]e could break off from the union if we wanted to." Beck responded, "You do, you call me," adding: "Seriously, you do. I don't mind having that lone star on my flag. I really don't mind it. I've been out with a seam ripper looking at my flag going, I don't know, California could go."
- In his March 4 WorldNetDaily column, Burt Prelutsky compared Obama to a spousal abuser, writing: "Frankly, I don't know why anybody continues to hold Obama in high esteem. Maybe it's like those women who marry charming fellows only to discover after the vows have been exchanged that he's an abuser. In spite of the black eyes and split lips, the ladies are just too embarrassed to call the cops and have their friends and relatives discover what a dunderhead they've been."
- In his February 25 WorldNetDaily column, Ellis Washington compared Obama to a mobster, writing:
How does the legend of Faust apply to [Republican Louisiana] Gov. [Bobby] Jindal's refusal to accept all of the $100 million dollars Obama is offering the state of Louisiana as part of it's share of stimulus package money. President Obama, like the suave, cosmopolitan Mephistopheles, has not only crafted and passed the largest wealth confiscation in the history of the world, but upon closer examination of the 1,000-plus pages of this bloated, complex and convoluted text, the devil is truly in the details.
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It's like the wedding scene of "The Godfather," Part I, where Michael Corleone recalled his father (Vito Corleone) doing business through his muscleman, Lou Cabrachi: "Either your signature on this contract, or your brains on this contract." President Barack Corleone's so-called $787 billion economic stimulus package has offered America a deal with the devil.
- During the February 20 edition of Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn & Rose, a caller discussed a proposed "insurance bill for gun owners":
CALLER: I don't feel -- it doesn't matter if they pass an insurance bill for gun owners or not. They're not getting the guns, flat-out. I mean, that's just how it is. And they'll find out what a sizable force is once they encounter a group of citizens that own guns. I think that's one reason they're attacking the First Amendment is to stop you guys from warning the rest of the public.
Co-host Jim Quinn replied: "Oh, sure, sure. I mean, it's the crux of all the amendments. As a matter of fact, the Founding Fathers argued that the Second Amendment should have been the first. Because without the second, there is no first. Thanks, Travis. Yeah, when you hear that Quinn's guns have been confiscated, you will know that Quinn is dead."
- The slogan for RightWingNews.com -- a conservative blog run by Townhall.com columnist John Hawkins -- is: "Kneecapping Barack Obama at every opportunity."
I keep wondering if this is a new chapter in human history or has such virulent attacks been recorded elsewhere in history? I can see where this is going and where it might end up at. An otherwise strong nation with a inexaustuble intellectual prowess will morph into a 1920's germanic state where law and respectfull debate is no longer applicable. Shooting yourself in the foot is as near as i can get to an easily describable and understandable phrase.
-- has such virulent attacks been recorded elsewhere in history? -- wolf
As tasteless as some of the political rhetoric is...it's not new. Here's a little sample from Mother Jones:
-- In the 1828 race, John Quincy Adams supporters call Andrew Jackson a slave-trading, gambling, brawling murderer. --
-- Democrats backing James K. Polk claim that Henry Clay had sex with whores --
-- Jackson supporters accuse Adams of having premarital sex with his wife and being a pimp, claiming he arranged an American hooker for Czar Alexander I --
-- Adams supporters attack Jackson's family, calling his dead mother "a common prostitute --
Wesley,
Don't forget the 2000 orchestrated smear of John McCain as being unbalanced from his captivity in Viet Nam.
The 2004 "Swift Boat" gang that had a significant impact against John Kerry.
The early 1930's speeches and rallies staged by one Adolf H. that convinced the entire nation of Germany to support his murderous crusade against Jews and anyone else who didn't agree with him. His propaganda ministers developed and perfected the means of controlling the minds and emotions of millions of disillusioned people.
The revived attacks on FDR and his accomplishments during another frightening period in our history.
wolf,
Here's one more peach concerning Jefferson:
-- A Connecticut newspaper warned that his election would mean "murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will openly be taught and practiced" --
Yeah, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.
All good examples of people smearing political opponents during a campaign. Have any examples of bad losers like the ones highlighted here, talking about tyranny and revolution weeks into a new administration?
I couldn't think of any group in the past that has used revolutionary language such as being exhibited now against their own government elected by the majority, both popular vote and electoral college vote. I can easily find examples of individuals, such as John Wilkes Booth, who took to the gun to exhibit his hae, but never a group like we have now, led by the FOX News personalities.
Apparently this was printed before the election. My beef here is that this discourse is being pursued after the election not limited to not supporting an eklected president, but also whishing him harm, knowing full well this could turn into physical harm, by suggestion. I do care if someone like Palin claims he pals with terrorrists to whip up a crowd before the election but I know this is part of the american system. That worked well for the republican ticket this cycle.
It's not exactly new. The right wing extremists always whip up hysteria and violence when liberals are in the majority and/or presidency. The loonies ratcheted up abortion clinic bombings and murdered physicians when Clinton was in office.
If killing liberals where they live and worship, the way James Adkisson did, is any indication of the kind of terrorism the crazies are willing to commit, then I shudder to think what the organized crazies will do with Obama in office.
Dave Neiwert and friends, along with the Southern Poverty Law Center, have been tracking the right wing eliminationists for years and trace their activity back for decades.
Check 'em out: Orcinus
roundhouse, i think these RIGHT WING LOONS are now starting to become a DANGER to mainstreem society. scarey.
I agree. The power of suggestion is a strong influence on those who let someone else do their thinking for them. We are definitaly not in the age of innocence.
The words that followed those two proved them wrong.
NH is a member of NAMBLA and molests children in his spare time.
Please enough of the unsubstantiated, non-sequiters! You are boring and a troll.
Why bother? You would neither understand nor answer them.
All of these examples are a continuation of the tone that was set during the McCain/Palin rallies back in the fall. It seems that since trying to paint Obama as a terrorist failed miserably for them they've no choice but to up the ante. Classy.
Nor intelligent.
Wolf - Its hard to tell your point of view...but ironically, you capture the conservative view wonderfully. The left has been absolutely hateful the past 8 years. Sites like this help foster the misguided.
Truth is, the 1920's were moving toward fascism. Hoover and FDR ushered in Progressive Liberalism, introduced by Teddy. Leftists move to squash all debate that is not their own.
If you, or any liberal on this site, would like to debate the performance of our current president, his policies, or the basis of conservatism or capitalism, I would enjoy the conversation.
The past 8 years were filled with crimes and lies that have cost this nation blood and money unlike any president in history. You are the one who is misguided. You really need to learn the definition of fascism. I am so tired of reading right-wing, Republican apologist use this word when they clearly have no idea what it means! And I will not waste my time schooling you now.
Once the result of Obama's policies have had a chance to go into effect and have measurable results, I am sure many here would love to debate you on his performance. Seems like so far he has cut my taxes, dealt with Somali pirates decisively, seen the Dow improve since his inauguration, began healing ties with our allies that Bush and Co. destroyed, and ushered in a new area of openness in Government that we haven't seen for a long. Any thing else I missed that has actually and verifiablly happened (not fantasies of what might happen or Beck-induced apopelectic fits of rage at strawmen) please let us all now.
"...The left has been absolutely hateful the past 8 years. Sites like this help foster the misguided."
Republicans have been completely intolerant of anybody disagreeing with their ideas for decades. Bush even restricted protestors to "free speech zones," apparently forgetting that this entire country is a free speech zone. They accused Democrats of hating the troops and being anti-American, said that criticising the President during a time of war was unpatriotic, and lied to us into Iraq. Places like Fox News lie so routinely that MMFA exists solely to show these lies, and you claim that MMFA "foster[s] the misguided." Please provide links to stories where MMFA has lied. Please note also that simply linking back to the stories that have been debunked does nothing to disprove MMFA; please give us actual proof.
"Truth is, the 1920's were moving toward fascism. Hoover and FDR ushered in Progressive Liberalism, introduced by Teddy. Leftists move to squash all debate that is not their own."
Look up the definition of fascism (and here, too); it might help you understand what you're trying to claim. Hoover was conservative and a Republican. Liberalism is open to new ideas; Conservatism, by its very nature, is not.
This is not a partisan debate on speech. Both sides, liberal and conservative, benefit from one-sided arguments. Free Speech Zones were actually created in 1939, and used by all parties, including Bush AND Clinton over the past decades. Free speech is allowed. The zones were created to protect picketers, not people trying to give a speech.
I agree that Democrats sometimes were labeled anti-troops. That's unfortunate. I know many of our troops, and some of them are Democratic themselves. Progressives, however, were hateful to our troops. Murtha was absolutely vile. Comedians who mock our troops as a whole because of the actions of a few is ridiculous.
MMFA fosters the misguided by only providing one side of the story. Trust me, there are conservative sites that do the same. Both serve to mute the opposition and stir up anger. Neither lie...they just slant the heck out of every story, then let bloggers go crazy. I've read the entries here. Baseless acqusations, speculation...its all part of the game. It needs to elevate to a higher level. If you don't know, don't spew hate.
Yes, Hoover was a republican. But under no circumstance was he conservative. Please read the history, not the title. I cannot argue this for you...you need to learn yourself.
Our current democratic party is not liberal. Its progressive. Look up the difference. Refer to Hillary's speech during the debates...She said she is a progressive, like those at the turn of the century. Liberals believe in individual rights above all, meaning LITTLE GOVERNMENT. By definition, they are closest to Liberterians. Progressives believe that our constitution is not perfect, and that it should evolve...that US law should look to foreign law or recent decisions only. That is not the intent of our founding fathers. Read the constitution for yourself. Its great. And, where do you determine that conservatives are not open to ideas? That is a baseless attack. Do we believe in long-standing traditions, yes. Do we believe that for our country and government to succeed people need high morality, like that with religion, yes. Do we want smaller federal government, one that does what was intended (protect the country and citizens, establish system of commerce), and stays out of peoples lives...yes. Keep the discourse clean and intelligent.
We are quickly getting to the point where enough is enough. The virulent attacks by the right wing media now ring of Pure Sedition. We have yet to reach 100 days, and heaven forbid something happen to our President, but this media is generating social warface
NH,
Topic = Major media outlets and talking heads are inciting violence against our President.
You = Off-topic and false rantings
Fighting against the very Republicans you describe.
It's like the wedding scene of "The Godfather," Part I, where Michael Corleone recalled his father (Vito Corleone) doing business through his muscleman, Lou Cabrachi...
Lou Cabrachi ! I love it. That darn Lou.
These people... they're just idiots, aren't they? I mean, really stupid.
'Right wing' and 'liberals' are the main street that must unite against the mafiacracy of the conglomoration of private corporations and government. Same and similar 'private corporations' pillaged Argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6_i8zuffs
What an amazing display of projection. What color is your sky? You and your tea-baggers are actually protesting a tax cut, tell me that isn't idiotic and against their own best interests.
Bush was a tool of wealthy, old money interest (see attempts to repeal estate tax, huge tax cuts for the wealthy, deregulation of Wall Street, etc) and a puppet of corporate handlers. Do you even have a passing grip with reality?
Sorry... I CAN'T let this slide... It's, "LUCA BRASI". The lovable lug's first name was "Luca" not. "Lou." Sorry... the Godfather is like sacred text to me. I just couldn't let that go.
I don't understand why we have people telling lies and half truths in this day and age when America needs to work together in getting out of this crises. It seems Rush, Hannity, Dobbs, and that guy with a rage problem huh "no spin idiot" is trying to confuse Americans. Most Americans know Obama is sincere in trying to get us out of this problem... But these Fox people are trying to convince us it's time for a revolution. Is there anyone at Fox News who doesn't have some personality disorder/Diagnosis. If I owned Fox media.. I know when I get older and wiser I would probably shot myself for all the destruction I've created in America.
Does the violent revolutionary rhetoric include Jewel v. NSA?The Obama administration filed its first response to the suit Friday, demanding dismissal of the entire suit. Hussein is doing better than W at trampling the 1st and 4th ammendments. Hussein is also merging business and government like, lemme think, oh yeah Mussolini. Wasn't he a FASCIST?"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini.
Obama has done no such thing. There are several examples of Government intrusion into the "free" market. How about Bush's Bailout fiasco as just the most recent.
I appreciate the concern about our 1st and 4th Amendments and wish you would have said something during Bush's eight year fascist attempt at taking over our country for his corporate masters.
You appear deluded and brainwashed. Go do some reading outside of Beck, Rush and Hannity's websites and get back to us when you get a small dose of reality.
Sucking the "lifeblood" out of the economy?
Sorry, but the economy was on life support on January 20, 2009.
And according to my statements, I lost one third of my investments during the last year and a half of the previous administration.
The saddest part of watching the G.O,P. as the minority party is watching how desperate they have become.
They hate Obama because he represents everything they have fought against for all these years.
Obama becoming Commander and Chief of the United States is the worst nightmare the conservative party and its followers could wake up to.
Instead of being gracious losers and regrouping to diversify and grow their base for 2010. They have decided from the day Obama defeated McCain to go to the darkside.
Any American who cares about and respects the democratic process on which our nation has stood for for over 200 years should be outraged at the actions of the G.O.P. AND THE FOX NEWS DESTROY OBAMA AT ANY COST MOVEMENT.
No one should lose graciously to having their country and sovereignty handed over to foreign agents and bankers. Obama is their chief puppet -- a newbie with no experience who is completely malleable and can't talk without a teleprompter so he can promote the policies of the evil George Soros, Nazi. Look it up.
Obama's ego will be America's downfall. If you don't know what just happened at the G20 you are asleep at the wheel.
Please tell me what happened at the G20. I really want to know what information you have that no one else knows.
You really should be careful when you start accusing the President of handing over our sovereignty to foreign interests, since your hero Bush already sold us out to the Saudi's by doing their bidding in Iraq. Or when you bring up the President's ability to talk, I mean, really you have GOT to be kidding! The Nazi reference makes you appear foolish (again, do you right-wingers even know the definition of these words you use?) And what does Soros have to do with anything?
You and your fellow reich-wing lemmings' idiocy has been your downfall. Enjoy your forty years in the wilderness
Wanting to secede from the union is treason. Thinking that George Washington, and thereby the whole USA, should fail and our nation should go back under England's control, is treason. Is it wrong and/or unpatriotic to want those things? Of course it is. Is it wrong to hope that Obama's policies fail? Yes.
I wonder if Sheppard even knows that he compared wingnuts to loyalists and secessionists and Obama to Washington and Lincoln?
And the whenever Beck calls someone unpatriotic, he should be reminded of his stated willingness to dump America in favor of a Texas secession.
Patriots are usually known by their actions not by what they call themselves. Anytime someone claims to be patriotic and then claims that someone else isn't, it's a sure sign that they're nothing but a coward.
And we seem to be full up with cowards in the right wing media these days.
"It is an indisputable, historical fact that many Colonists did not support independence from England, and were hoping with all their heart and all their soul that President George Washington would fail."
Sheppard seems to think that George Washington was POTUS during the Revolutionary War. Why do people who claim to be so patriotic never bother to learn even the most basic facts about our history?
Wanting to secede from the union is provided for in the Constitution.
Whew you people are ignorant!
And no one has said we want to secede. We just want to get rid of the handlers.
Getting rid of Obama won't do a thing -- the evil ones will just elect another puppet to do their bidding.
You won't be happy til your house is taken away from you... will you?
Strawman alert "You won't be happy til your house is taken away..."
Thanks for the Constitutional law opinion, but it is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Your ability to project your own shortcomings on to others is breath-taking!
The only thing even remotely correct is your statement about the "evil-doers" making sure their guy gets elected. However, I am sure we would disagree on who these "evil-doers" are. It is time the money is removed from the election process.
Almost all of the mudslinging here is just that, and most of it took place during a campaign. But when have so many taken to the airwaves after an election to call for 'revolution', or invoke the specter of violence, to prevent a duly elected President from pursuing his agenda? I think this outburst from Fox (famous detractors of 'Bush derangement syndrome') takes us into new territory.
The only problem I have with all of this is that these psychos have guns.
I just fear these conservatives with their rheroric is going to lead to a national disaster. Disgusting to talk about our President as though he were a rapist or a abuser or mobster.
JL, AMEN TO THAT.
Guess you know how it feels now. Considering for 8 years this is all liberals did in regards to Bush.
Don't remember anyone calling shrub a rapist or abuser. But he certainly acted like a mafia don, so that shoe fit well. It doesn't for Obama; hence, they project mightily, those right wing bloviators...
zamfir, the difference here is that BUSH, CHENEY DESERVED all the critisism leveled at them while OBAMA does not.
Obama is working for the same people so why not? He's just destroying the country faster.
- Instituting a draft and forced service which he announced in his motherland Germany while campaigning
- Escalating WAR
- Increase wire tapping powers
- Robbed our 401Ks and handed the money to the bankers
- Handed our financial control to the world bankers at the G20
- Henry Kissinger says the crisis they created was a GOOD THING because it would bring faster his plan for the world order under the elites..Rahm 'dead fish' Emanuel said they cannot waste this crisis, and the Feds admitted they are private and under control of no one, it's the other way around -- they control the crapsandwich in the WH.
Rockefeller summed it up with this quote:
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
-- David Rockefeller... Baden-Baden, Germany 1991
Guess you know how it feels now. Considering for 8 years this is all liberals did in regards to Bush.
Really? They used their TV snd radio networks to call for revolution?
As well as the internet. Olbermann, Maher, Stewart and the gangs over at MSNBC and CNN. HuffPost, DailyKo's, etc. etc.
No they didn't.
Nobody called for the removal of Bush by force or violence. Stop the lies zamfir.
I guess you on the left convieniently forget the novella that called for the assassination of Bush:
Violence against Bush
Not to mention the hate that was spewed on this forum as long as I can remember.
I'm thinking that was more in response to things like warrantless wiretapping, suspension of habeas corpus, outing a covert CIA agent, fixing intel to justify a war and occupation, etc. . . you know, ILLEGAL things.
Seems kinda funny how people didn't get upset about those things . . . but are about to take to the streets over a tax CUT . . .
zamfir, no one on the LEFT called for the violent overthrow of the BUSH administration.
OH REALLY? That's rich... I can think of worse they called for. Look it up!
- Leftists called for gang raping Palin
- Leftists hung her in effigy
- Leftists burned down her church
And here is a rich comment about Bush, easy to find MANY of them.. and this is NOT violence? Hmmm.. HYPOCRITES!
Uncle Ho Says:
Just hang Bush, PERIOD. Preferably from the gallows at Nuremberg, that hung his Nazi predecessors.
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 am
First off, we were talking about Bush, not Palin, so your constant non-sequiters are getting annoying. Also, please provide links and/or proof to back up your ranting, I mean, statements and provide how this has anything to do with the current topic, please. We are discussing major media figures on the teevee, not random posters on internet sites.
"Guess you know how it feels now. Considering for 8 years this is all liberals did in regards to Bush."
Well, zamfir, I don't deny that liberals engaged in "teabagging" . . . but I seriously doubt it was in response to Bush.
PS: look up "teabagging" in the Urban Dictionary online to see what I mean . . .
Unlike you my wannabe "hipster", I don't need to get my contemporary nomenclature from the Urban Dictionary. Sorry Merlin, but you are not the only one that knows what certain thing mean. Disregarding your feeble attempt to sidetrack the discussion, I will never deny that Republican's don't use some abhorrent methods in the media or in politics; however, liberals play the same game. My god, the left-wingers would make Dick Cheney seem like the Devil and George Bush as Hitler. Republicans are only returning the strategy and Democrats don't like it. Urban Dictionary...shh...(eye roll)
I don't think so. Your peeps are truly psycho and they have guns too.
Yeah, we have guns. We just can't find ourselves stepping up to explosives like the Bill Ayers of the world. Something very immoral about that.
Right. All those abortions clinics that blew up in the nineties were detonated by lefties. And the ones the lefties didn't blow up, exploded on their own. It wasn't righties with their guns that snipered physicians, it was lefties. Whatever.
Go rewrite your history elsewhere.
Who knows what you psychos may do? You don't think those right-wing survivalist groups and White supremacists have their bombs ready to go?
Apparently you have been asleep in history class. The left has ALWAYS been violent... and the intention of Obama's banker puppet masters has always been nazi-like....infact, Soros IS a Nazi.. He's Obama's biggest backer and is running the show now.
Does this quote sound familiar?
"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents, that's where it's really at." --Bill Ayers, Weather Underground, 1970
Here's a NH posting template.
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Shake-well and serve!
Yeah, explosives are immoral, as we saw in Oklahoma.
Who said it was okay?
zam, CHENEY DESERVES THAT TITLE.
Comparing Rush Limbaugh to Loyalists and Secessionists is supposed to vindicate him? Uh, hello -- both those groups history proves were on the WRONG side!
To make that argument is to compare Obama to Abe Lincoln and the Founding Fathers. Case closed, I guess.
Then there is Coulter's famous "impeach or assassinate" comments about Clinton. They do this everytime they are out of power.
I think it is important to tie these comments and their efforts to incite violence to real financial sponsors, both Fox and the “think tanks” that are providing the talking points and, in the case of the teabag parties, professional organizational skills.
Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works are the two tanks behind that "grassroots" event logistical support. That doesn't include the free advertisting that FOX and local RW radio stations are giving them. (Such as ABC Radio/Citadel station KSFO in SF).
So Fox, KSFO, AforP and FW, what happens when one of your angry white men comes to the rally with a gun? Will you bear any responsibility for gathering a crowd of angry people in one place?
If the police would look at their own internal stats, it is the right wing people who brag about their guns. Fox News listeners.
What have been the political leanings of the people who have been shooting people lately? Are they listening to Maddow or O’Rielly?
Now, let’s think about financial liability here. Fox hosts might want to support this event for the ratings, but what happens when one of their teabaggers decides that he’s really angry and just goes into one of these locations and shows them how angry he is? Will Fox want the credit them? They are the deep pockets (along with the think tanks) behind this and if anyone is hurt or any property is damaged then you can bet who will be liable.
When the gun man shot the people in the UUC church we know what he was thinking --he wrote about it. We know what he read and who he listened to. Sean Hannity dodged the issue by saying something like, “I didn’t tell him to go to that church and shoot people. He acted on his own.”
In this case Sean Hannity IS telling angry people to gather and express their anger. Has Fox hosts come out clearly and say, “NO WEAPONS”?
After there is violence at Fox promoted event will there be financial consequences.
I hope I’m wrong on this. I mean it’s not like there is any history of wingnuts shooting people or blowing up buildings or anything. And if I’m right? I know exactly what will happen. Nothing. The NRA is too powerful, but I would REALLY like to see a massive civil suit that would financially send a message to FOX that they are not to incite violence with their organized protesters, especially given the demographics of their listeners and their history of gun violence.
Think about how the police would be responding to this event if they were told a bunch of angry white men who carry concealed weapons and have a history of using them are being gathered in one place by a broadcaster for the express purpose to express their anger at the government and some private corporations.
If this group was coded as the left what would the response be?
I may be considered from the other side on this. I am a conservative I believe in limited government.
As far as the person who did all that shooting I do not feel that he and I think anything alike as he sought a violent solution to whatever his problems were.
I have not heard anyone in any of the groups I go to discuss limited government views saying that Obama is a rapist or spousal abuser or that they want to see violence. I read infowars.com and Alex Jones. I do not own a gun nor do I want one. The websites that I frequent talk about bills that they want to call their representatives about.
We are concerned about things like what is happening to our food supply and the fact that Monsanto has so much control over farming and is infusing geneticaly modified foods into the mainstream food supply and we are also concerned about the FDA being in bed with monsanto and approving their GMO seeds and forcing farmers out of business if they refuse to use their methods. We are concerned that the CEO of Monsanto heads the Department of Agriculture. We feel that these GM foods are bad and cause harm. Who is Monsanto to tell people what they can and cannot grow?If you are not a farmer you may not know about this but it affects you too because you are eating these foods and the health of your family and you are going to affected by this.
We don't want government controled health care and the high taxes that will go along with it. I don't know about you but I will not be able to afford to live if the government taxes my income to cover health care cost. I will say that I can see a decline in the quality of foods in the past decade and this will make people get sicker because we are what we eat. I have a low income I am getting older, I want my life to be simple and free. Not over taxed with no real choices.
We feel that pouring money into these failing banks is only prolonging the envidable crash of the dollar. We believe it would be better to let it crash all at once and get it over with so we can cut out losses and move forward.
I am sure Obama has good intentions.
In my opinion most people with my views are stable and want what is best for our country. We love peace and we believe in minding our own business. We believe the more government is involved in our lives the more our freedoms get lost.
People who share my veiws feel that leaving Bernacke and all the wall street guys in charge off this financial crisis is a little like leaving the fox in charge of the hen house.
I do not know of anyone who thinks Obama's life should be in danger or that violence ought to be in order. Revolution does not mean violence has to happen. It means people want change. We think we ought to be fixing what is going on over here and not be making more wars in other countries and incuring the cost in lives and dollars.
People are upset because many of them have lost everything homes, jobs, and life savings.
"We don't want government controled health care and the high taxes that will go along with it. I don't know about you but I will not be able to afford to live if the government taxes my income to cover health care cost. I will say that I can see a decline in the quality of foods in the past decade and this will make people get sicker because we are what we eat. I have a low income I am getting older, I want my life to be simple and free. Not over taxed with no real choices."
Do you realize it is probably costing you more in taxes to take of those "uninsured" that have to rely on Medicaid and run to the ER every time they have a sniffle? Ever hear the term pre-ventative care? If everybody is insured they can get immunizations and get health care prevention. It'll reduce the long waits in the ER, which is the most expensive health care there is. Folks can go to clinics of their choice. Costs should go way down; not up.
Costs should go way down; not up.
Especially when you take the profit motive out of the equation.
Let's not forget that Rush called the Somali pirates "Merchant Marine Organizers" because (he says) they use the same tactics as community organizers like ACORN. This is essentially calling Obama a pirate.
It is amazing how everyone from the G.O.P. is afraid to condone the things that Rush says. Calling the Somilia Pirate mechant community organizers is totally over the top.
It is amazing how everyone from the G.O.P. is afraid to condone the things that Rush says. Calling the Somilia Pirate Merchants community organizers is totally over the top.
Tell us one thing that was said against Bush that wasn't true.
Where is your liberal president on somalia? He has not spoke, he is letting four pirates make our navy look like idiots and the usa look weak. And the story now is the pirates are 20 miles off the coast of somalia. News media is reporting the hold up is because washington is not responding, instead they are treating a act of war like a law enforcement matter, wrong? If this heroic captain is killed, there will be blood on the hands of obama for failing to stand up and defend america against these terrible and hostile actions.
Yet this story is not even covered by this website, huh I wonder why? Real honest and fair just the way you liberal hypocrites like it.
Hahahahaha! Do you ever tire of playing the fool?
Where is our Liberal President on Somalia? Well, it looks like he patiently waited to make the right call and have our Navy snipers take out those pirates and return the hostage unharmed. He received that proverbial "3 a.m. call" and passed with flying colors. Next troll?
I remember the 'Politically Incorrect' guy (whatever his name was) saying that it was too bad that the Taliban hadn't succeeded in killing Cheney. I'd bet the boys and girls over at the daily kos were always very respectful of Bush and his administration. And of course, no one remembers the 'fake but true' memo put out by that paragon of journalistic objectivity, Dan Rather.
Hillary ran against the 'politics of corruption' of the Bush administration. Anyone like to compare conviction numbers between Bill's crew and Bush's? I wonder how many Democrats have called Bush a 'war criminal?' How about General Betrayus? Remember that?
But you see - Bush deserved to be called Hitler - because you hated him. Cheney was the Devil, because you hated him. So, it's OK. They deserved it. But Obama, why he is as innocent as a mountain stream. It's just disgusting, even scary, that people would say anything mean about him or his policies.
Is this another example of liberal's 'soft racism of lowered expectations?'
Immune to irony, tea partiers and such fail to see that REAL revolutionary tea partiers would lynch the bankers, murder the rich (the scum of the earth in every country, according to G.K. Chesterton), and tar and feather anyone making over, say, $250,000 per year.
"an orderly revolution, where the people of this country wake up and get up and make a decision that this is not going to happen on their watch."
Earth to Bachmann. This already happened last November so STFU.
shaggles, but no one wants a COMMUNIST revolution, or one world under the foreign bankers. Your bobble head president just handed the US back to the Queen at the G20 but most are too stupid to put two and two together to find out where their hard-earned money went.
Please provide some substantiation for this accusation. These paranoid fantasies are intriguing in their patent insanity, so it would make for some humorous reading to see where you get this from?
I just love how the left can dish it out but when it's their turn, they are the biggest whiners and just can't take their own hateful tactics, or what they are trumping up to pretend are hateful tactics.
FACT 1: We do need a revolution and Mr. Obama, thank you for getting people organized. We will defeat the elitist bankers who have put him in power and have just been given control over our whole country. We refuse to pay taxes to George Soros and David Rockefeller so they can impose their will on us. We will take back the country for our Constitution and rid our WH of criminal enablers like BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA who have just looted the treasury and handed the money from our 401Ks over to Soros who just made $1.2M on this phony 'crisis' that he and Kissinger created. By the way, Henry Kissinger gave Obama his first job... did you know that?
FACT 2: We will cause the revolution by direct action that will consist of WITHHOLDING ALL MONEY FROM THE FEDS. Now that the 'dirty little secret' is out, and people see that the Fed/IMF/World Bank is a private group and the UN is NOT a government, least of all OUR government, and that Obamination is working for his foreign agents to crumble our republic, people have caught on and are not going to stand for it. NO MORE MONEY TO THE FEDS, PERIOD.
FACT 3: The only violence being promoted is that which comes typically from the LEFT as a body. You are the ones who have a terrorist bomber Ayers and his friend in the White House. If and when Kos, HuffPo, ACORN, or other people NOT at these rallies for the purpose of protesting the spending and giveaway of our sovereignty to the foreign agents, and who promulgate violence or racism with signs, chants, or other inappropriate actions, THEY WILL BE EJECTED by police who have been hired for this purpose.
That's not violence, it's crowd control.
As for hating Obama, everything we have fought against for all these years is now out in the open and this man is nothing more than a puppet for the private bankers who are laughing at you because they are getting million dollar bonuses after crashing the mortgage industry and robbing your 401Ks...
UNFACT1: "We will take back the country for our Constitution ...." Oh, you must be referring to the Patriot Act, unlawful wire tapping, holding people prisoner without being charged. I think you're one Administration to late on that one.
UNFACTS2 & 3 are so incoherent that they don't dignify a response...................
let's not forget Timothy Mcveigh and the terrorist bomving he carried out in Oklahoma City durinmg the Clinton Administration. This was during a time the right was whipping up hysteria about Clinton. As we see now the right learned nothing from that incident, or maybe they did but just don't care.
Can anyone answer this question,
How can it be that a major "news channel" can spread all kinds of lies, insults, hatred, and even provoke violence against our President??
Untill how far is this allowed by law for God's sake?
And what can we do about it?
That fascist Beck is coming to San Antonio on Wednesday...
Iowa - Again, empty rhetoric. Crimes and Lies? Please, provide some substance. What crime? What lie? If anyone in the Bush administration had committed a crime, why haven't they been prosecuted? That is because there is zero evidence of any wrong doing. Was the intelligence incorrect on WMD? Maybe. Announcing an invasion ahead of time does tend to discourage the element of surprise...but neither the Bush admin, or any of the politicians (like Hillary) who agreed were lying. And blood...no further attacks on our country since the war. That is good. I have two sons serving, and am damn proud of their courage. They are protecting our nation, and helping the people of Iraq be free of a dictator.
Fascism: a political philosophy that exalts nation above individual and stands for a centralized, autocratic government. Fascist governments forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government.
Now, if you could, please look up how many political prisoners Hoover had during his admin. I am well aware what the term means.
As for Obama's current achievements, please elaborate:
Now, I know you cannot be swayed. I understand. But, we will all benefit if the discourse is maintained at an educated level, rather than empty rhetoric and bs.