Scarborough repeated myth that White House requested Jesus' name be covered up
SUMMARY: Joe Scarborough advanced the claim that the White House specifically requested that Jesus' name be covered during President Obama's speech at Georgetown. In fact, the White House reportedly requested that Georgetown cover all signs and symbols on the stage.
On the April 17 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, while interviewing Democratic National Committee chairman Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA), host Joe Scarborough asked Kaine about President Obama's recent economic speech at Georgetown University and claimed that "there was a White House request specifically to cover up the Jesus sign" during Obama's appearance. Washington Post editorial writer Jonathan Capehart followed Scarborough's remarks by quoting from an NBC Washington news report and stating: "[I]n the story that we're looking at, it says, quote, 'The White House asked Georgetown to cover a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name in Gaston Hall, which Obama used for his speech.' This is according to CNSNews.com." However, the local NBC Washington news report, which Scarborough referenced in making his assertion that the White House requested that Georgetown "cover up the Jesus sign," misrepresented an April 16 CNSNews.com article. In fact, as Media Matters for America has noted, the CNSNews.com article reported that the White House requested that Georgetown "cover up all signs and symbols" on the stage (emphasis added). Indeed, CNSNews.com quoted a Georgetown spokeswoman saying that the university "honored the White House staff's request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind Gaston Hall stage" and that this request was "consistent with what they've [the White House] done for other policy speeches."
As Media Matters noted, on April 16, The Fox Nation and the Drudge Report similarly alleged that the White House requested that Jesus' name specifically be covered during Obama's speech. Their allegations were based on the CNSNews.com report that -- while it made clear that Georgetown refuted the claim that Obama specifically requested that the Jesus sign be covered -- nonetheless had the misleading headline, "Georgetown Says It Covered Over Name of Jesus to Comply With White House Request."
CNSNews.com, also known as the Cybercast News Service (CNS), is a division of the conservative Media Research Center, an organization that purports to have been founded to "prove -- through sound scientific research -- that liberal bias in the media does exist," and to "neutralize its impact on the American political scene." CNS describes itself as "an alternative news source that would cover stories that are subject to the bias of omission and report on other news subject to bias by commission" and that it "endeavors to fairly present all legitimate sides of a story and debunk popular, albeit incorrect, myths about cultural and policy issues."
From the April 17 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
MIKA BRZEZINSKI (co-host): There's the thing about Georgetown University, the speech and --
SCARBOROUGH: Oh my gosh.
BRZEZINSKI: -- some sort of -- they --
SCARBOROUGH: They covered up the --
BRZEZINSKI: They covered up --
SCARBOROUGH: -- Jesus sign.
BRZEZINSKI: -- some sort of -- we will get to that. I cannot believe that happened. I was reading about that this morning in the [inaudible].
SCARBROROUGH: At a Catholic university. I mean, come on. Mr. President, I'm doing my best, OK? I'm trying -- I'm preaching moderation, people not being intemperate, and you're covering up signs of Jesus.
[...]
BRZEZINSKI: With us now, the governor from Virginia, the chairman of the national -- the Democratic National Committee, Governor Tim Kaine. Thanks very much for joining us. Good to see you, sir.
KAINE: You bet guys. Good to be with you.
BRZEZINSKI: All right.
KAINE: Great to be back.
BRZEZINSKI: Yes, it's good to have you back on the show. I'm just cobbling together the elements of this story. I don't know if you heard about it, but during the president's speech at Georgetown, I guess the White House asked the university to cover the religious symbol that would be in the shot with him. And we have now a statement from the university. It's a Catholic university, Georgetown is. And it says this:
I can't imagine, as the bishops' university and the national university of the Catholic Church, that we would ever cover up our religious art or signage for any reason. Our Catholic faith is integral to our identity as an institution of higher education.
SCARBOROUGH: And that's --
BRZEZINSKI: So that's from Catholic University
SCARBOROUGH: -- that's a Catholic University spokesman. And the sign actually was a sign -- the Jesus sign.
BRZEZINSKI: What do you think, Governor Tim Kaine, about this and how this helps or hurts the Democrats? What do you make of this story?
KAINE: Well -- well, look, I'm a great Catholic, and like probably Joe and some others on the show. The way I heard this was that the White House asked, in terms of doing the speech at Georgetown, that they wanted American flags as a backdrop. I don't know that they were choosey about exactly what room it was in or what else was there, but they wanted American flags as a backdrop, and so the university and the event organizers put up American flags.
There wasn't a request specifically to cover up any religious symbols or statues, as I understand it. Now, I haven't followed this too closely, but that was just my understanding -- there's kind of a standard backdrop for a presidential --
SCARBOROUGH: Wasn't there a black --
KAINE: -- speech, and it's American flags.
SCARBOROUGH: Wasn't there a black -- there was a black triangle, was there not? Jonathan Capehart?
CAPEHART: A black plywood --
WILLIE GEIST (co-host): There it is.
CAPEHART: -- cover, which you can see over the president's shoulder there, which was -- they wanted to cover the organ pipes and also the IHS symbol --
SCARBOROUGH: The symbol for Jesus.
CAPEHART: Right.
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah.
CAPEHART: That was behind the president.
BRZEZINSKI: I think there's more to come on this. I'm not sure what their motivation was there.
SCARBOROUGH: If, in fact -- it sounds like from what we're seeing -- what Mika just handed me -- that there was a White House request specifically to cover up the Jesus sign and there's this black -- huge black triangle covering that sign up. Is that a mistake by the White House?
BRZEZINSKI: If that's the case?
KAINE: Well, again, my understanding is that they wanted the American flags, and that's the backdrop they want for speeches. And that was the request made at Georgetown. I haven't -- I haven't seen information from Georgetown complaining about it. So, you know, I'm hearing it from you guys. But as you know, when the president gives speeches, the American flags are the traditional backdrop he uses.
SCARBOROUGH: Jonathan Capehart?
CAPEHART: Governor Kaine, in the story that we're looking at, it says, quote, "The White House asked Georgetown to cover a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name in Gaston Hall, which Obama used for his speech." This is according to CNSNews.com.
Do you think this is unusual for the White House to call on an institution, a religious institution like Georgetown, even though it's a higher-education institution, to do something like this?
KAINE: Well, I'd have to check -- I'd have to check who CNSNews.com is and check the source there. I didn't hear you mention any names, et cetera. So again, you're running something by me from a news source that I'm not familiar with.
Again, my understanding of this from end of the day yesterday was just what I've said, that the White House has a kind of tradition of using American flags as the backdrop to speeches.















I wish someone would cover Scarborough with a dropcloth so he doesn't get spittle all over the camera.
I keep hoping that Mika will get tired of his crap and just grab him by the TeaBags.
and what group of people is Scarborough trying to impress / whip-up?
From now on lets see if at any Obama speeches if religious signs and symbols are covered up.
ps. Whoever agreed to that ridiculous request to cover religious signs and symbols at Georgetown should be fired. After all, it is a Catholic University. Covering up the symbol of Jesus is an affront to every Christian. For a Catholic University to agree to such an affront makes me, as a Catholic, ashamed.
If Obama doesn't like the symbols he should not have gone there to make a speech.
pps. I believe the person in the administration who requested the signs and symbols be covered up should also be fired for such an outrageous request that insults Chritians everyhere.
They probably also covered up the sign promoting the rush party at Phi Tappa Kegga. Get a clue. And stop playing the victim.
"Covering up the symbol of Jesus is an affront to every Christian."
Funny, I don't recall authorizing you to speak for me, and I don't consider it an affront. (BA, Catholic University '65)
After all, it was a speech on policy, not religion.
"Thank you. God bless you. God bless the United States of America."
Spoken like someone looking to insult Christians.
The probably covered up the Bulldog symbol too. You dont even speak for all Christians much less all Americans. I wouldnt want the religious symbol cheapened by displaying during a partisan speech. It is tawdry.
I hope Spike doesn't get wind of that, I don't think Chester will be able to hold him back.
Yeah but to be fair Spike doesnt have much heft
Wow - that's one of my all time favorite cartoons!
He doesn't even speak for Catholics. He had his ass handed to him in a discussion about the Catholic Church in the US the other day. Seems he's living in a Catholic dream world.
If you're our Solon, welcome back. I've missed you. We've had a few fake Solon's since your departure.
If you're our Solon, welcome back. I've missed you. We've had a few fake Solon's since your departure.
I'd like to second that.
Yeah solon, you were missed! Glad you decided to end your boycott of your banning.
I didnt. I just kept trying my old nick and password and a few days ago it worked. I wasnt going to change my nick and go against their terms of use. Thanks all of you for the welcome
Yay! And our regards to your faire wife for her communications during your absence. The point about not using Jesus for a political speech seems to whistle right past Scarborough's brain pan...
My wife thanks you Mary and yeah one of many things they just cant seem to get
Thank you juliajayne. I missed you guys something terrible
I know for sure it's you because of the way you use the word nick. It's been a while, but I remember! ;-) There's a few other clues as well. Hey,dude, you always were one of my very favorite posters.
I REALLY appreciate that juliajayne. It is nice to be remembered well.
I am THE solon and thank you. I came by periodically and saw the imposter. He embarassed my using my nick in such a sad way
I agree with Snoopy, JJ, and WK, it is good to see you again and read your posts.
Thanks and thank you all for the hearty welcome back. I am touched to be remembered so fondly
"outrageous request that insults Chritians everywhere"
Probably just the thin-skinned whiney ones.
AA, you really need another vacation.
You find ANYTHING Obama does, wrong. It doesn't matter what the subject is, you follow whatever the right wing talk radio tells you and Obama is either wrong, should fire folks or is picking on Jesus. No checking of the facts for you, just repeat and regurgate whatever crap the crazies on right wing radio and Fox tells you.
Indeed, CNSNews.com quoted a Georgetown spokeswoman saying that the university "honored the White House staff's request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind Gaston Hall stage" and that this request was "consistent with what they've [the White House] done for other policy speeches."
You certainly don't speak for me, AA and I am a Christian. Read down below how this is done for policy speeches at Georgetown. Did you just bottle up all of your angst against Obama during Lent to release like this? Holy cow, man!
fried,
I never said I did speak for you. If you don't see the affront to Christians by covering up religious symbols, then of course you are not offended.
I simply think it is a very sad state of affairs that people, including the administration at G'town, the President's staff, and even people like you do not see the defamatory message that is sent by the President that he needs to hide Christian symbols before speaking at a Catholic University.
Apparently I am the only one here who sees this as another assault on Christianity by the radical left President. Nothing new there.
ps. They will do as they like, but I am equaly appalled that the University of Notre Dame has invited Obama to be it's graduation speaker based on Obama's 100% pro-abortion stance. I am very curious to see what transpires.
Sometimes when religious symbols are covered up, it would be because the people covering them up are trying to cover up the symbols becuase they are religious ones. Other times, they are covering up symbols that happen to be religious ones.
It's mind-blowing that you can't or won't tell the difference.
It wasn't an assault on Christianity, because the symbols were not covered up because of what the symbols were. They were covered up so there would be a plain background behind the President.
It's fine for you to object to assaults on Christianity. You should do so, if assaults on Christianity are offensive to you. But when there was no assault, as in this case, you're just demonstrating what a dishonest person you are for claiming an affront when no offense occurred. There was no assault here. They were looking for a non-site-specific background, not a background free of religious symbols. It's a lie to suggest otherwise.
They were covered up so there would be a plain background behind the President.
Fake outrage #523 courtesy of AA.
Regarding Obama speaking at Notre Dame, I think you're wrong. When children go to college, they should be exposed to a wide array of opinions and speakers. That is part of the college experience.
It kind of reminds me of when the university I went to invited Pat Buchanan to speak. Many protested, but I thought the protests were wrong headed - even though at the time I did not like Buchanan at all - still don't. If you don't want your kids to be exposed to different point of views, you are probably better off not even sending them to college in the first place.
So Obama is a "radical left" President and is 100% pro-abortion? Any other dishonesty or hyperbole you wanna toss out there, oh supposed Christian one?
There WAS no affront to Christianity. Stagecraft is its own art. Since his speech was NOT about Christianity the covering of the christian imagry was no more an affront that it would be an affront to the College to cover up their Hoya symbol. To call it defamatory is just flat ridiculous. You keep calling Obama radical and that is just as ludicrous. You can keep saying it but that wont make it magically come true by dint of repitition. You are pure propagandist. You really dont CARE what is real or true you just want to push your hate Obama agenda. That is fine but to cloak it as outrage at what is standard for a political speech is disengenuous. You spew. You are more radical than Obama is ever going to be and both make FAR less sense and are FAR less relevant to mainstream American views.
Jesus H Christ, AA, if you're going to call for somebody to be fired evrey time you fail to understand (or read?) one of the items here, you may want to sart a list. Weren't you just recently demanding the firing of Napolitano for the DHS stuff you were confused about?
I say we just fire Jesus.
His followers are much too sensitive. I'm sure that Jesus wasn't an ass. Yet his most self professed followers sure are.
WK I believe it was Ghandi who said "I admire Jesus but it's his followers who give me problems." I believe in Jesus but his followers scare me to death.
Solon welcome back I've missed your reasoned voice on these threads.
IF AA is going to call for people to be fired everytime he is confused that will be tragic. I mean unemployment is bad enough in this country
"The Queen had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. `Off with his head!' she said, without even looking round."
Absolutely right and what's even more important is - was he wearing a flag pin and did he bow when he met the chancellor or not? Inquiring people want to know...
God forbid the rightwing nuts discuss the economy or the war in Iraq.
Wouldn't the right want Obama to cover up, say, an Islamic symbol? Yes they sure would. So their whole protestation is a moot point to me.
This question presupposes that the Obama administration asked specifically to cover up a Jesus symbol, which I don't believe actually happened.
Why are they covering things up anyway? Don't we want a President who doesn't cover anything up? You gotta cover up that Jesus because he is just too dangersous
Jesus is only dangerous if you're in the habit, as are many Fundies, of making Jesus into their own image, thus committing idolotry.
Good one Julia
The whining about this is precious. The covered up all the symbols this is standard operating procedure.
Well that's about the biggest stretch I've ever seen. Sometimes I question my own beliefs. I think that you and Sean Hannity must have it right. After all, you always seem so certain. But then I read something like your post, and I think to myself that I may not have it all figured out, but Jesus, at least I'm better than this crap. Thanks, my friend. You've helped me reaffirm myself for another day.
This is "proof" that Joe Scarborough will continue to make-up stuff so he can talk "negatively" about President Obama "every" single day. Just yesterday, Joe was talking about how Republicans should not see fault with every issue relating to President Obama, and 24 hours later Joe forgets his own Republican message.
More whining from the Christian majority.
As the Right Wing Douchebags drum up another phony controversy, it's likely that the loudest whiners will be the Evangelicals in the Republican base.
Here's a little wager... less than 5% of the Fundies would have even known what the "IHS" symbol stood for if somebody hadn't told them.
Any takers?
I'm guessing the percentage might be about the same as the teabaggers who knew what teabagging meant. Probably less.
Speaking of teabaggin' looks like the Holy One is going to do the deed to Adam.
Call me quirky, but I don't wanna think about the Holy One's wobbly bits too much!
For my misspelling(s) I'm to be sent off to Remedial Sthpagettii Thoth School.
Keep your garlic dry. 8OP
Now Hannity is ranting about this and will for weeks....Hmmm is "anotheramerican" Sean Hannity's user name on this site?
Well that's the last straw. Goddamn Obama and his radical anti-Georgetown University agenda!
If Obama doesn't like the symbols he should not have gone there to make a speech...aa
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Ah, welcome back, AA! We've missed your fake selective outrage and strawman arguments around here.
Uh, okay. Not so much .. :)
I went to the website that Scarborough "claims" he got the story from. It was some off the wall online news who in turn got it from the DRUDGE REPORT! That's the part these two so-called entertainers neglected to tell everyone. What an idiot!
Whomever arranged this speech could have been a little more thoughtful. Perhaps they could have given the speech down the street at George Washington University a non Catholic College. With the smartest people in the world working for the President, you would think they may have discussed the possibility of insulting some Catholics by covering up the main symbol of their religion. I know we always are aware of when we may be insulting Muslims so perhaps the same thought process could have been at the very least discussed.
Yes, never miss an opportunity for manufactured outrage.
Fisher you embarrass marines by using them in your nickname. I served for 7 yrs active duty so don't get all kinked up and call me a "useless liberal who didn't serve."
More manufactured outrage. When are you gonna grow up? Obama is a Christian for christsakes!
And more playing the victim.
And if they hadn't covered the IHS monogram? It probably would have gone something like this:
Is Obama using religious symbols to gain political points?
or
Is Obama trying to portray a Christ like image?
or
Is Obama starting to really see himself as the Messiah?
I have no doubt that any variations of the above would have been the topic of this thread.
That's exactly right. And since covering or not covering would lead to criticism, the only option is to give the speech somewhere else. At which point the conversation is "why did Obama snub Georgetown? Is it because it's Catholic?" Or even better, "Is it because it's Christian?" There's no sense of proportion or common sense being shown in this criticism, and in my opinion most of that is intentional.
I guess one of the prerequisites for appearing on his show is that you do not, under any circumstances, stand up to Joe.
Practically all of his guests and co-hosts let him spout his nonsense with impunity. It's disgusting.