Media quote Cheney on torture memos without noting his role in matter
SUMMARY: Media outlets have quoted Dick Cheney's criticism of President Obama for releasing previously classified Justice Department memos that had authorized the CIA's use of harsh interrogation techniques without noting Cheney's self-acknowleged role in authorizing the use of those interrogation techniques.
Media outlets have highlighted former Vice President Dick Cheney's April 20 interview on Fox News' Hannity, in which he criticized President Obama over the release of four previously classified Justice Department memos that had authorized the CIA's use of several harsh interrogation techniques, without noting Cheney's self-acknowledged role in authorizing the use of techniques described in the memos. For instance, The New York Times reported in an April 21 article that "[s]ome Bush administration officials, including former Vice President Dick Cheney, accused the administration of endangering the country by disclosing national secrets. Mr. Cheney went on the Fox News Channel to announce that he had asked the C.I.A. to declassify reports documenting the intelligence gained from the interrogations."
However, these media outlets did not note that during a December 15, 2008, interview with ABC News correspondent Jonathan Karl on World News, discussing interrogation techniques, Cheney said, "We had the Justice Department issue the requisite opinions in order to know where the bright lines were that you could not cross." Cheney also said he was "involved in helping get the process cleared" for tactics used against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and said he agreed that waterboarding was "appropriate." From the interview:
KARL: But you've heard leaders, the incoming Congress, saying that this policy has basically been torture and illegal wiretapping, and that they want to undo, basically, the central tenets of your anti-terrorism policy.
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CHENEY: On the question of so-called torture, we don't do torture. We never have. It's not something that this administration subscribes to. Again, we proceeded very cautiously. We checked. We had the Justice Department issue the requisite opinions in order to know where the bright lines were that you could not cross.
The professionals involved in that program were very, very cautious, very careful -- wouldn't do anything without making certain it was authorized and that it was legal. And any suggestion to the contrary is just wrong. Did it produce the desired results? I think it did.
I think, for example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was the number three man in al Qaeda, the man who planned the attacks of 9/11, provided us with a wealth of information. There was a period of time there, three or four years ago, when about half of everything we knew about al Qaeda came from that one source. So, it's been a remarkably successful effort. I think the results speak for themselves.
And I think those who allege that we've been involved in torture, or that somehow we violated the Constitution or laws with the terrorist surveillance program, simply don't know what they're talking about.
KARL: Did you authorize the tactics that were used against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
CHENEY: I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared, as the agency in effect came in and wanted to know what they could and couldn't do. And they talked to me, as well as others, to explain what they wanted to do. And I supported it.
KARL: In hindsight, do you think any of those tactics that were used against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and others went too far?
CHENEY: I don't.
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KARL: And on KSM, one of those tactics, of course, widely reported was waterboarding. And that seems to be a tactic we no longer use. Even that you think was appropriate?
CHENEY: I do.
In addition to The New York Times, other media outlets cited Cheney's April 20 interview with Hannity without noting his role in authorizing techniques described in the memos:
- An April 21 article in the Los Angeles Times reported that "[t]he release of the memos has drawn criticism from some current and former intelligence officials and Bush administration officials." It continued: "Former Vice President Dick Cheney has continued to defend waterboarding and other banned tactics. He demanded the declassification of the results of the interrogations to prove the value of the techniques." The article later noted that "Cheney maintained that the techniques were crucial to national security. In a FOX News interview, he said: 'I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw, that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country.' "
- An April 20 Politico article reported that "[t]he former vice president, in an interview Monday at his McLean home that had been scheduled before last week's release by Obama, told Fox News' Sean Hannity: 'One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified.' " The article later reported: "Cheney and other critics of Obama's release say that it exposes the limits of what the U.S. was willing to do, potentially allowing terrorists to train to those limits. Cheney, starting with an interview with POLITICO two months ago, has been on a campaign to warn that Obama is making the country more vulnerable to attack by pulling back on policies by President George W. Bush, who did not suffer another 9/11-style attack on his watch."
- On MSNBC's blog First Read, an April 21 post by Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro titled, "First thoughts: Cheney strikes back," reported that "[c]onservatives argue that the interrogations, including waterboarding, made the country safer. Some Democrats, on the other hand, want to prosecute the authors of those memos. And a former controversial vice president -- Dick Cheney -- who previously has contended that the current administration has made the country less safe, now says he has asked the CIA to declassify interrogation memos that apparently show successful results from the interrogation techniques. Indeed, in his interview last night on FOX, Cheney ... called for those memos to be declassified."
- On the April 21 edition of MSNBC Live, host Contessa Brewer reported that "plain and simple, the former vice president says what Obama is banning as torture actually saves lives. Cheney insists the secret CIA memos -- now public -- don't tell the whole story." She then played a clip of Cheney saying: "One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity." Later, Brewer said, "You know, it's interesting that this has still become about, does torture work. It seems to be that Dick Cheney is defending torture because it's effective. In fact, he said -- and it was on a different topic -- but he was talking about the fact that the Bush administration prevented the terror attacks for seven years. Let me play it." Brewer then played a clip of Cheney saying, "We had to collect good first-rate intelligence about what was going on so we could prepare and defend against it. And that's what we did. ... It worked. It's been enormously valuable in terms of saving lives, preventing another mass casualty attack against the United States."
From the April 20 edition of Fox News' Hannity:
HANNITY: I want to go back to the issue of interrogations and the releasing of the memos that gave out specific information. Even Leon Panetta said it was dangerous. Four former CIA directors said it was dangerous. They urged the Obama administration not to do it.
Why -- why do you think they would do that in spite of that recommendation, if only for political reasons? And secondly, why is it important that those interrogations took place? I mean, the ones they were talking about were sleep deprivation, waterboarding, putting insects into small, confined areas and telling them that they were deadly insects. Why were those tactics needed, necessary, and why do you think they continue to be necessary?
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CHENEY: We -- with the intelligence programs, the Terror Surveillance Program, as well as the interrogation program, we set out to collect that kind of intelligence. It worked. It's been enormously valuable in terms of saving lives, preventing another mass casualty attack against the United States.
One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified.
I formally asked that they be declassified now. I haven't announced this up until now, I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw, that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country.
And I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.
From the April 21 edition of MSNBC Live:
TAMRON HALL (anchor): Well, former Vice President Dick Cheney is on the defense today after -- about how the Bush administration went after suspected terrorists. Contessa is live at the politics desk with more on that story. Contessa.
BREWER: Tamron, plain and simple, the former vice president says what Obama is banning as torture actually saves lives. Cheney insists the secret CIA memos -- now public -- don't tell the whole story.
CHENEY [video clip]: One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity.
BREWER: Michael Fletcher is a White House reporter for The Washington Post. Sam Youngman is a White House reporter for The Hill. You know, it's interesting because in one of the memos they did actually talk about some -- a plot that was foiled because of information they garnered. Here's my question, Michael. If Dick Cheney thinks it's so important that the public know the full story from the CIA memos, why not make the push to start releasing them before he's out of office?
FLETCHER: That's a good question, Contessa. I think now, though -- I mean, Cheney feels like his legacy and, actually, the Bush administration's legacy is kind of under attack. I think despite all else that happened during the Bush years, the one thing they were proud of was that, you know, President Bush would say this often, that he had protected the nation from attack, and they see their kind of -- the enhanced interrogation technique as being, you know, part of the heart of their defense of the country.
And to sort of have it said now that, you know, there wasn't much gained by these techniques, and also kind of have them kind of tainted in the public mind as kind of almost sadist in some way, I think, has really, you know, gotten the vice president going here.
BREWER: You know, it's interesting that this has still become about, does torture work. It seems to be that Dick Cheney is defending torture because it's effective. In fact, he said -- and it was on a different topic -- but he was talking about the fact that the Bush administration prevented the terror attacks for seven years. Let me play it.
CHENEY [video clip]: We had to collect good first-rate intelligence about what was going on so we could prepare and defend against it. And that's what we did. ... It worked. It's been enormously valuable in terms of saving lives, preventing another mass casualty attack against the United States.
BREWER: And he said -- he was talking about Hugo Chavez, and he was saying, yeah, you have to treat the good guys differently than you treat the bad guys. He seems to be defending torture here. What do you think, Sam?
YOUNGMAN: Well, I think the White House is fairly dismissive of these comments. They're just not long off an election where the American people overwhelmingly voted to reject a lot of these things, be it torture or talking to people -- countries perceived to be our enemies. I think there's a lot of -- a lot of smiling and laughing going on in the White House right now, that they feel like the vice president can -- the former vice president can defend his legacy all he wants, but at the same time his legacy was largely repudiated.
BREWER: You know, it's interesting because the CIA says that by releasing this information, it's actually doing a disservice, that you're alerting terrorists the extent that the United States has been willing to go to get information. It seems like now Cheney is joining the Obamas in this sort of politics-makes-weird-bedfellows kind of thing, where he -- where they're both on the same side like OK, we're going to release these CIA memos.
FLETCHER: Well, yes, it seems that way. And it's interesting, you know, all this talk about letting enemies know what we've done, I think it's been pretty much in the public domain what's going on, all this talk of waterboarding. You know, President Bush himself has talked about these enhanced interrogation techniques -- they never call them torture, by the way. But the administration has talked a lot about this stuff; even the prior administration did.
And part of what President Obama has said, part of his decision-making in releasing these memos, was that this stuff is pretty much already on the public record, A, and B, his administration had already decided that they would never use this again to try to gain information from suspected terrorists. They feel like they have techniques in place that will yield the same information. So it's interesting that Vice President Cheney is now saying that, you know, I guess he's parting ways with a lot of intelligence officials who say that kind of things that border on torture or torture itself really isn't that effective, you get a lot of bad information, and the former vice president seems to be saying otherwise.















Coming from SaddamHussein, that says a lot. ;-)
LOL, I choose my name because Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. I in know way defend him.
You're not a real genocidal despot..you just play one on MMfA... and other fntasy lands online.
Hmm, sounds like you know all about him. What fntasy lands do you inhabit, besides worldnutdaily and the limborg?
I believe her mailing address is Planet Wingnut
On what charge? Too many to choose from.
I'd go with "impersonating a human."
If you try to arrest him, he'll just tell you to go f**k yourself.
Or he'll just say, "So?"
This a-hole [Cheney] spent his entire misAdministration in an undisclosed location . . . I wish to hell he'd go back . . .
SADDAM I'll second that. CHENEY was one of the worst in our history. Why any intellegent person would actually listen to this worthless piece of garbage is beyond comprehension.
You couldn't get the truth out of Dick Cheney if you waterboarded him 183 times...but it would be worth the try. ;>)
I can't click on this article anymore 'cause it brings up cheney's ugly psychopathic mug....ugh.
"We had the Justice Department issue the requisite opinions in order to know where the bright lines were that you could not cross."
Must be typographical errors... This should read:
We had the Justice Department issue the requisite orders in order to provide us cover when we crossed the bright lines that you could not cross. ???
shorter Dick Cheney:
Now that memos detailing the means have been released, I'd like memos about the ends that justify the means to come out too.
And in the spirit of full disclosure, why not release the minutes of those secret energy meetings? You know, the ones where Cheney and his cronies divvied up the Iraqi oil fields. But that's just a theory, because he sued to keep them secret.
So I guess since you speak of the spirit of full disclosure you agree that the reports showing the gains from those tactics should be released. After all you progressives stand for justice and truth. Since the methods of interrogation have been released it is only fair for all of us to see what results they produced. Or are you like the prosecuters in Alaska who withheld evidence in the Stevens case.
Can't speak for FHLH, but I would imagine most progressives on this site would be more than happy to have full disclosure. The truth is the truth. We are not like the prosecutors in Alaska, I wouldn't think, though I am not sure what that has to do with this. Seems like a non-sequitor.
The only reason I even mentioned Alaska was because I did not see anyone call for the reports Cheney referenced to be released, just the usual Cheney bashing. If you look at FHLH's post he changed the subject to oil . In my opinion the last thing most of the people here would like to see is reports that indicated that the tactics worked and saved American lives. That might diminish their ammo against Cheney and I am not so sure tthey could live with that.
>>In my opinion the last thing most of the people here would like to see is reports that indicated that the tactics worked and saved American lives. That might diminish their ammo against Cheney and I am not so sure tthey could live with that.
MM mm! Just love that defense of torture! Do you really think that Cheney will release all the memos to give us an accurate picture of what information we really got? Which is besides the point: even 200 years ago the slave owning founding fathers realized torture was outright wrong, period.
In case you were not aware Cheney is not in control of the memos, he has requested that they be de-classified and released. Don't you agree it is a good idea?
>>In case you were not aware Cheney is not in control of the memos, he has requested that they be de-classified and released. Don't you agree it is a good idea?
He can request *which* memos be released, as far as I understand. Afterall, he is not saying every single memo for the last 8 years will be declassified. He is specifying which--and Cheney is simply too dishonest to give us an accurate picture.
Why do you think the founding fathers outlawed "cruel and inhuman punishment?" During the civil war, when rebels made ambushes against Union soldiers, they weren't tortured. Torture violates human rights and international law, but I suppose you aren't for those things, are you?
You are playing dodge ball, he has asked for the reports detailing the results be released, don't you agree that should be done. They are in the control of the Obama administration, we will now see just how honest and fair he is. If he does not release them he is as dishonest as you claim Cheney is. But wouldn't you consider the conditions at Andersonville prison to be torture. War is hell as the saying goes. http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/grimsley1/usma/rest2.htm
Lets just GIVE you that. We know for a FACT that he gave the CIA a whole bunch of false leads that took millions of dollars to rundown and we will GIVE you that he also gave SOME actionable information. Can you guarantee that other methods would not have gotten as good or better results? The CIA also said that ALL of the good information they got from Zubyadah came BEFORE they tortured him and NONE after they began waterboarding him. So the very best you can claim is a very mixed bag of working a bit and not working. For THAT you would eschew our values and join the evil doers club. Lets also remember the trauma we will be causing those we are having DO the torture. Those are definitly innocent Americans. What cost to THEM?
Cheney is playing a very transparent game by calling for those memos to be released that only the dimmest bulbs would fall for, no offense to you personally.
He knows that he is not in control of what gets released and he knows that the Obama administration is not going to waste one second declassifying important security related information in order to clear Cheney's name. Furthermore, all evidence points to the fact that there are no such memoes because Cheney could have had it released before he left office when this issue came up before. He certainly is not against releasing classified information to further his agenda.
All his blustering does is make it seem to the 10 people who still support him and the neanderthols who support torture that when no memoes get released, Cheney must have been right and they were not released for political reasons. He is creating his own self fulfilling prophecy.
Actually, Tenet, hayden and now Dennis Blair have all stated that important info was obtained, I guess to you they are all dim bulbs. And obviously Obama being a good dem is only going to release info to damage the Bush admin.
I was right. Cheney's little game did work on you. What I see in Tenet and Hayden are people complicit in the torture plan saying things that justify their crimes. Nothing surprising there. Blair also said that of the alleged high value info they got from torture, they may have been able to get it from other means. And, lets not forget Blair's role in allowing Indonesian torture in the late '90's.
In all objective analyses of torture in general, the consensus is that no good information is gotten overall because even if one true thing is spit out, it is surrounded by 1,000 lies just to get the torture to stop. So, valuable resources are wasted chasing down all those false leads instead of using effective, as well as legal and moral, methods to obtain a better result.
Cheney wants the release for HIS BOOK!
That pathetic excuse for a human, simply wants to make money, period!
he changed the subject to oil .
Actually, I was just mentioning that it is hypocritical of Cheney to want full disclosure of those mysterious plots that were foiled due to torture, then he should have no problem with full disclosure of his energy meetings. What is he hiding?
Your point is somewhat legit, however he only asked for the release of the info because the reports on the methods were released. But my point was that you have not agreed that the results should also be released in light of the methods being released.
>> You people have to be kidding me
I didn't realize that the Communist Manifesto--which I have read, by the way--has anything to do with what America should be.
I also must have missed the part of the constitution that upholds torture. What ammendmant was that in? Could you please help an illiterate leftist?
You lose. I read the Communist manifesto when I was 16. So why do YOU sound so stupid? Oh yeah, because you are.
And did you get your grade back yet on the book report you did?
I didnt read it for school. I read it because I was curious. It was Vietnam war time and I kept hearing on the News about communism this and communism that. I was a curious kid
Here's a quote from the "Lost Writings of Benjamin Franklin".
Bite me!
Yep I've read it too!
But pleaszzzz enlighten us oh so knowledgable one! Too funny !
Ironeagle has been a dupe for the conservative media. He believes in the stereotype of liberals as being unpatriotic and profoundly ignorant of the values and intellectual traditions of our nation (while somehow being ignorant of Karl Marx at the same time??!).
Hey Ironeagle, turn off the Fox and friends, put Sean Hannity a rest, release your self from El Rushbo and open your eyes. You share a country with millions of people who are aware of and value the founding documents and ideals of this nation and who don't agree with you. The fact that the media would fail to mention Dick Chaneys interests in this torture issue is a symptom of the same problem you are having here. Someone in conservative media land wants you to believe that those that think differently from their playbook must be ignorant unpatriotic traitors. That makes it easy for them to reinforce YOUR ignorance!
Acyually it is stupid of MMFA to suggest that we don't know that Cheney was involved in the issue. Maybe you were not aware of it but most people were. It was not a secret.
I think it is more a matter of putting his viewpoint in perspective. Kind of like OJ giving his views on who really killed his wife.
Is Richard Chaney being touted as an elder statesman or someone who would like everyone just to forget about all this "torture is ok" business
All Cheney is asking for is full disclosure, is that wrong? I must admit I don't get the OJ reference, Cheney has not denied his involvement.
>>Cheney has not denied his involvement.
And therefore has broken international law and should be prosecuted. Or are laws just for the people in other countries?
Cheney isn't allowed to ask for full disclosure. He said the initial release made us less safe.
If a conservative with an ounce of consistency on this issue wants full disclosure, we'll listen.
He said the initial release of the methods made us less safe. The release of the results could do just the opposite by showing others that their big brave leaders were not so invincible. I guess you don't really want to know if Cheney is telling the truth or not, like I said earlier most here probably do not want to know.
Yeah you say a lot of things. Most of the come directly from what Col Sanders would call your tarhole. You DO know that you cant read minds and cannot POSSIBLY tell us what we want or dont want?
I was expressing an opinion, I guess you cannot make that distinction.
So was I except I added an undeniable fact. I guess you dont like EITHER.
Anyone who isn't in favor of the initial release of the methods isn't in favor of full disclosure. We can't cherry-pick and Cheney can? The cherry-picker gets your praise as wanting "full disclosure"?
Well gosh, I want full disclosure too. I just think the release of the results will make us less safe.
(By the way, I hate the government's "classify it classify it classify it" tourette's. But classify-everything Cheney is sure as hell not going to be the one to fix it, and he deserves no credit for anything from either party.)
let's make ALL elected representatives ENTIRE record make public. Including Cheney, Clinton, Bush, Regan, Carter, Rumsfeld, Obama (even though he just started), you name the person.
I felt disturbed at that Rep. Harman was saying make THAT phone call public. NO, make everything public.
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to be afraid of that you are being spied on. Applies to people who I pay for too.
Do not selectively hide some adminsistrations behind the false cloak of state secrets.
All Cheney is asking for is full disclosure, is that wrong?
Bull! Cheney asked for the release of certain CIA memos FOR HIS BOOK!!!
This sudden request to disclose classified memos is a joke. Especially when you consider Cheney kept his entire 8 years at the White House a secret!
You obviousy don't even understand what is going on. The request that he made was a direct response to the release of reports that were released just days ago.
"I'll bet not a single idiot that has commented on this blog has ever read the Communist Manifesto."
"I'll bet not a single idiot that has commented"
"a single idiot that has commented"
"idiot"
You sure come out guns blazing, what with calling yourself an idiot and whatnot. Impressive.
"You people are so historically illiterate on the History of America. Read the Constitution, Federalist Papers, Writings of the Founders and The Declaration of Independence before you start ranting. I'm sure most of you have never read any of these writings."
As funnymanpants said, please point out in the above documents {only one of which - the Constitution - is law, BTW} where torture is legal . . . and, while you're at it, tell us where we can find the sections on warrantless wiretapping, outing a covert CIA agent, or suspension of the writ of habeas corpus . . .
Well, to be fair, torturing people makes Dick Cheney happy, and the Declaration of Independence does state that one of the unalienable rights is the Pursuit of Happiness.
I don't know how the Communist Manifesto connects to the Founding Fathers of the US, maybe you could enlighten us. I HAVE read the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, the Declaration, and many, many other things written by them. The Founding Fathers and the philosophy out of which our nation was founded was ENLIGHTENED LIBERALISM. That is why you wingnuts sound so stupid when you try to tell liberals what America is supposed to be.
LMAO.,, one of MMFA's resident nitwit wingnut trolls accusing someone else of living in "fantasyland."
Thanks for the laugh!!
Babu, the Pakistani character on Seinfeld, would say, "Cheney, you are a bad man. A VERY bad man". And Babu would be right. HOWEVER, I can remember voting for and supporting guys like Conyers, Pelosi and Reid that said they would do something about these guys like Cheney/Bush but as soon as they were elected, they forgot their promises to pursue impeachment and investigations. Didn't Simon Wiesenthal state that to sit around and remain silent and do nothing is the worst offense of all?
So, what have you done, other than memorizing Seinfeld episodes and ignoring the wisdom of Weisenthal?
I never really knew why Saddam was a friend once, but turned enemy of the US, but always thought there was something fishy about the hasty hanging he went through.
I mean, when he was captured, it was not like he was any threat to US. He was holed up, in a literal hole. The hearings, trials that he went through after that, kind of seemed hollow. I felt Cheney, Rumsfeld were very eager to shut his mouth forever, for some reason. At some point in history, these two guys were, for the lack of a better word, 'palling' around with him.
If he was going to be founf guilty and killed anyway, why not let him say whatever he wanted and record and broadcast his ratnings so the world knew how perverted he was (and his sons were)? I do not think he is in the Bin Laden style that he says something and it recruits terrorists.
I personally believe he was just a brutal dictator and in the end, he got what he deserved, but that is just my belief, no proof.
yeah cheney we all "agree" with causing more hostility towards us from other nations just so you can promote a book. Cheney is a wmd on american soil and should be behind bars. this nut calls Obama weak for shaking hands with Chavez when Bush walked hand in hand and then kissed this suadi king on both of his cheeks.conservatives have a selective memory to say the least,lol.
Dick Cheney should be tried by the World Court, but Fox News and shady Sean would scream bloody murder. Cheney thinks he still vice president of the U.S. It's a power trip to him.
It's no secret that Cheney and Sean have a dislike of Obama. They don't want him in office and will do what it takes to discredit him. All in a day's work at Fox News Channel. The CIA should investigate the bigwigs at Fox News.