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Politico omits Blair's reported statement that costs of techniques "far outweighed" the benefits

April 22, 2009 1:04 pm ET
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SUMMARY: The Politico reported that Dennis Blair stated that harsh interrogation techniques yielded "high-value information" but did not note Blair's reported statement that the costs of those techniques "far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us."

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Politico reported in an April 22 article and blog post that Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair stated that harsh interrogation techniques yielded "high-value information" but did not note in either piece that, according to several articles, Blair issued a statement on April 21 that said, "The bottom line is these techniques have hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security." Moreover, the article -- by Josh Gerstein and Mike Allen -- and the blog post -- by Gerstein -- also did not note that, according to the blog of the U.S. Naval Institute, in the April 16 letter that was sent "to the Intelligence Community workforce," Blair made clear he opposes the use of such techniques.

In his April 16 letter, Blair wrote: "Those methods, read on a bright, sunny, safe day in April 2009, appear graphic and disturbing. As the President has made clear, and as both CIA Director [Leon] Panetta and I have stated, we will not use those techniques in the future. I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past, but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given."

In his blog post, Gerstein also quoted ACLU attorney Jameel Jaffer stating that a key issue is "whether the CIA could have obtained the same information and perhaps more through the use of lawful means." However, Gerstein did not note that Blair himself has reportedly said something similar. In an April 21 article, The New York Times reported that in his April 21 written statement, Blair said that "there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means" and that the harsh techniques "are not essential to our national security." From the Times:

"The information gained from these techniques was valuable in some instances, but there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means," Admiral Blair said in a written statement issued last night. "The bottom line is these techniques have hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security."

From Gerstein and Allen's article:

In the most recent instance, Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair acknowledged in a memo to the intelligence community that Bush-era interrogation practices yielded had "high-value information," then omitted that admission from a public version of his assessment.

That leaves a top Obama administration official appearing to validate claims by former Vice President Dick Cheney that waterboarding and other techniques the White House regards as torture were effective in preventing terrorist attacks. And the press release created the impression the administration was trying to suppress this conclusion.

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On the second matter, Obama as a candidate embraced the view that torture is both wrong and ineffective. But now that he has full access to the same top-secret documents cited by Cheney, the question cuts more sharply: Does he agree or disagree with Blair that coercive tactics produce valuable intelligence?

In a visit to the CIA Monday, he told intelligence personnel that, "What makes the United States special and what makes you special is precisely the fact that we are willing to uphold our values and ideals even when it's hard. So, you've got a harder job, and so do I and that's OK."

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The two versions of the memo by Blair may reflect a more basic disagreement with President Barack Obama's decision to publish secret legal memos revealing the specifics of the coercive techniques, which the president banned on his second day in office. Some Obama officials worry that the release of the documents will make allied foreign intelligence services less likely to trust the U.S.'

"High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa'ida organization that was attacking this country," Blair wrote in the memo to the intelligence community on the same day the administration released memos detailing the techniques, which included waterboarding, slamming detainees into "flexible" walls, and prolonged sleep deprivation.

Even the press release that was released signaled some distance with Obama by cautioning against 20-20 hindsight prompted by reading the legal memos "on a bright, sunny, safe day in April 2009."

"[W]e will absolutely defend those who relied on these memos and those guidelines," Blair wrote in the public statement.

From Gerstein's April 22 blog post, "Obama intel chief: tough interrogations yielded "high-value info":

President Obama's Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, told colleagues in an internal memo last week that the aggressive interrogation tactics approved by the Bush administration yielded "high-value information" which helped the U.S. in the war on terror.

"High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa'ida organization that was attacking this country," Blair wrote in a memo to the intelligence community the same day Obama ordered the release of legal memos detailing the techniques, which included waterboarding, slamming detainees into "flexible" walls, and prolonged sleep deprivation.

Blair's assertion of the program's fruits was notable because while former President Bush, former Vice President Cheney and others have claimed that the program produced volumes of useful intelligence, Obama and other top aides have refused to acknowledge any benefits from the tough tactics. As recently as Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs demurred when asked about claims that the program helped break up terror plots.

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Critics who have branded the tactics as "torture" said the issue of whether the program yielded some intelligence was largely beside the point.

"The issue is not whether the CIA obtained information, but whether it was reliable, whether it was lawful, and whether the CIA could have obtained the same information and perhaps more through the use of lawful means," said Jameel Jaffer, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney who pressed the lawsuit which triggered release of the legal memos.

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    • Author by SaddamHussein (April 22, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
         

      In reading all of this information , it is now clear. VP Cheney thought and still believes he is above the law.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (April 22, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
           

        I'd be willing to bet that, initially, at least in the first few years of the Bush administration, Dick Cheney secretly regarded himself as the most important, most powerful man in our government...except he just didn't have the title of such. George W. Bush was a babe in the woods next to Cheney and his machinations. Cheney thinks he's above the law? You betcha...

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 22, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
             

          If either of you want to know what Dick really thinks, go to the first thread.A poster there has left a rambling defense of torture, mostly suppoted by the secret beliefs of other people.It's a good laugh.

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 22, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
         

      I'd say this was a pretty important ommission...try again Politico.

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    • Author by Tbone Slickens (April 22, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
         

      OK, so now it's all even.  Barry O'Gumps administration left out part of the statement to spin it in their direction and now every bobble head on TV is spinning and leaving out pertinent info to bolster their side. 

      I wish we could take the info as a whole and actually LEARN something from it, so as not to make the same mistakes in the future.

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      • Author by skeptical (April 22, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
           

        What mistakes? According to you, torture is okay, so no mistakes could have been made.

        Also, I'm not sure why you use the term Barry O'Gumps is, but, if you are referring to Barack O'Bama's administration, it isn't very American or Patriotic to refer to the leader of our country in such a sophomoric and insulting manner.

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      • Author by JLyons (April 22, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
           

        Torture is never ok!!!

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        • Author by Lamar (April 22, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
             
          JLyons. Everytime I here you and your left of center friends diss America for wanting to use these tactics, torture, or whatever you want to call it I only become amazed at how ignorantly you and people just like you don't recall the first WTC attack, the bombings of Kenya and Tanzania, the bombing of an U.S. Army barracks in Saudi Arabia, the U.S.S. Cole bombing, and 9/11 WTC attack, and the beheadings of Daniel Pearl and Nick Byrd.

          If you, your family, friends, and people that you care about were any of these Americans who were murdered for nothing more than being a HUMAN BEINGS born in a country Al Qaida believes is the great Satan for the freedoms we have. And you needed the CIA or any intel agency world wide to use these tactics, torture method, or again whatever you want to call it to save you and them. Would you be willing to personally call and ask the CIA and the intel agencies to stop these methods so that you, your family, and friends can be murder for living or being born in the land of the Great Satan?

          If your answer is Yes and you would allow yourself and innocent Americans to be murdered then your beliefs and the people just like you are flat out idiots and you deserve to have Al Qaida have there way with you and save a little more carbon dioxide for me and others who have better common sense. And if your answer is no then keep your non sensical opinions out of America and the World intel business of using these tactics to uncover the next 9/11 or beheadings by Al Qaida before the next attack claims you or someone you love.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (April 22, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
               

            That could be the most un-American post ever.  First, torture is illegal, so you can stop with the Jack Bauer crap.  Second, information obtained from torture is not reliable.  The gitmo detainees had the cia chasing all over the globe on false threats when those resources could be better used on real threats.  Third, why should we lower ourselves to the level of the terrorists?

            You're just another bedwetter who needs to apologize for torture in order to feel warm and safe at night.

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            • Author by commonsenseliberal (April 22, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
                 

              And as you can see, he just pi$$ed down his leg...

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          • Author by JLyons (April 22, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
               

            dissing America?

            Please.  You are the one dissing on America, its values and heritage.

            Otherwise I am not even responding to you or your garbage. You make me sick.

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          • Author by snoopy (April 22, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
               

            You want your government to randomly torture anyone deemed a threat? Move to Russia, you obviously love their methodology.

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          • Author by worrierking (April 22, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
               

            FYI.

            Many of us took oaths to defend the constitution and to abide by the Geneva Conventions when we were sworn into the military.

            I'd suggest you keep your anti-American non sensical opinions out of America and the World.


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            • Author by Conchobhar (April 22, 2009 4:38 pm ET)
                 

              Second the remarks. 

              It's also a vivid memory that we were told we had an obligation to resist an unlawful order.  I wonder why that has never come up in any of the discussions I've read.

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          • Author by Marker (April 22, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
               

            So we should torture our way to safety. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and many other brilliant Americans were against that very thing. Our country will continue to thrive as long as we follow the rule of law.  Your assinine ramblings about Al Qaida show you to be ....like all repugs.... a COWARD.

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 22, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
               

            jdellartist, I don't care what the circumstances are, THE US DOES NOT TORTURE!!!

            What part don't you get? You can come up with different "what if this or that" sernarios, but nothing changes the fact that, we are a nation of laws and we do not torture. 

            We are the greatest country in the world, and have the best and the brightest, why would we have to resort to gutter level tactics.

            Here are some of the countries that torture; China, North Korea, Syria, Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Mexico, and Saudi Arabia. 

            Do we belong to that group? And how can we say anything to Kim Juhn'il or Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, we we're are doing the exact same thing.

            Bin Laden WINS when the US resorts to torture!!!!!!  

            So stop acting like a wuss! 

            United States Code Title 18  - Chapter 113C—TORTURE http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002340---A000-.html

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            • Author by commonsenseliberal (April 22, 2009 4:38 pm ET)
                 

              Unfortunately the terrorists have, in some ways, won their war. 

              Don't throw produce at me yet...hear me out.

              One of the stated goals of the terrorists was to do their best to interrupt our way of life, our democracy and the rule of law in our country.  They succeeded under Bush, what with Bush's shredding of the Constitution, travel restrictions, little privacy anymore, taking actions that are against America's values (torture), etc.  Couple that with our economic downturn and there you have it.

              I'm not saying it's right that the terrorists won this battle, but if you think about it, they have - but just this battle.  They will not win the war.

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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 22, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
                   

                Don't throw produce at me yet...hear me out.

                Wouldn't dream of it, I agree completely!

                That's what the bedwetters don't seem to get. When we start to torture, we've lost! We stoop to the level of the folks we're fighting against.

                Saddam tortured and there Bush was preaching "democracy" to Iraq, while acting no better than Saddam.

                I'm not one of those folks worried that the plane I'm on may be hijacked, or something terrible happening. In life, terrible things sometimes happen. And as a 50 year ( Aug. 09) breast cancer survivor, I know that this moment is all we have.  

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          • Author by Old_Benjamin (April 22, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
               

            Why can't your kind remember further back than the 80's?  As has been noted ad nauseum, THE US TRIED AND CONVICTED JAPANESE AND GERMAN SOLDIERS FOR WATERBOARDING AMERCIAN SERVICE MEN IN WWII.

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          • Author by Conchobhar (April 22, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
               

            Here's a flat out idiot and America hater who spent a career as a Navy Seal.  I won't respond to you myself, because I hold you in the same contempt you obviously hold me and those like me.

            http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/print/waterboarding-is-torture-perio/

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          • Author by nerzog (April 22, 2009 5:42 pm ET)
               

            Wow.  What a moronic, petty, selfish, ignorant rant.  The founding fathers were treated as terrorists by the British Empire, and they were determined to set up a country that was founded on certain principles. 

            See, what jerks like you fail to grasp is that we can't be the "good guys" if we act like the bad guys... even if the people we're mistreating deserve it.  We are governed by laws, not emotions.  That is what "American Exceptionalism" is really about... not getting rich and refusing to pay taxes.

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          • Author by solon (April 22, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
               

            Everytime I hear someone so cowardly that they would destroy American values in order to whine about how afraid they are it makes me ashamed as it should make all good and decent Americans that it is coming from one of our own. We had a similar attack on Pearl Harbor, did we torture the Japanese? No because you cannot justify an evil act by pointing to a different evil act. I expect more from my good country than saying we have joined the evil doers club but we arent as bad as those guys. You of course cannot SHOW that torturing make us any safer but then  you dont care.  The cowards ONLY want to FEEL safer whether they are or not isnt important.

            It is not dissing AMERICA to say it was wrong for the BUSH administration to torture. Bush was NOT America as much as rightwingers want to blur that distinction. In fact a large majority of Americans in polls I have seen say we should not torture for any reason. We are dissing Bush and he certainly deserves it. He has earned it. He has besmirched the good name of America and it will now take time to repair that image. That is the thing it is a lot harder to earn and keep a good name than to lose it and then it is even HARDER to earn it back. We will never do so as long as handringing pantywaists care nothing about morality nor decency and shiver under their beds keep us from upholding American values.

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          • Author by nerzog (April 22, 2009 5:45 pm ET)
               

            By the way, numbnuts... why would you want more carbon dioxide?

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      • Author by snoopy (April 22, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
           

        that's some pretty tortured logic, cowboy.

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      • Author by commonsenseliberal (April 22, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
           

        I wish we could take the info as a whole and actually LEARN something from it, so as not to make the same mistakes in the future. - TboneSlickens

        You're talking about Republicans, right?

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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (April 22, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
           

        No, it was torture used to give them a link to Saddam and 9/11. There's still no link and it's still torture. That's the only thing that matters. 

        As for Bushco,  off with their heads.

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      • Author by solon (April 22, 2009 5:36 pm ET)
           

        Ah the true sign of a Limborg hiveminder the cutesy derisive nickname for whomever they want to demean. It is a sign of someone incapable of thinking for themselves. Someone who can be completely ignored by anyone not looking for a rerun of the show of whichever screechmonkey does his thinking for him

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    • Author by pauldeman (April 22, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
         

      I'm so glad MM is tracking the Politico. That Cheney gave his first post vp interview to the Politco is a good indication of the political leaning of this outlet. Some of the more egregious reporting, IMO, comes from J Martin and Mike Allen. Keep up the great work.

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      • Author by Conchobhar (April 22, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
           

        "Reporting?!"  From Tim Allen?  I'll believe that when I see it.

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