NY Times drew false "contrast" between Blair, other Obama officials
SUMMARY: The New York Times purported to draw a "contrast" between Dennis Blair, who has said that harsh interrogation techniques yielded "high value information," and "President Obama and most of his top aides," who have argued the use of the techniques "betrayed American values." In fact, Blair has also said he opposes their use.
In an April 23 New York Times "news analysis," reporter Scott Shane purported to draw a "contrast" between Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair, who has stated that "high value information came from interrogations in which" harsh interrogation methods were used, and "[President] Obama and most of his top aides," who "have argued that the use of those methods betrayed American values -- and anyway, produced unreliable information." In fact, as Media Matters for America has documented, Blair has also said that he opposes the use of the harsh interrogation tactics detailed in recently released memos from the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel, reportedly calling the tactics "graphic and disturbing" and stating: "The bottom line is these techniques have hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security."
Shane also wrote:
Many intelligence officials, including some opposed to the brutal methods, confirm that the program produced information of great value, including tips on early-stage schemes to attack tall buildings on the West Coast and buildings in New York's financial district and Washington. Interrogation of one Qaeda operative led to tips on finding others, until the leadership of the organization was decimated. Removing from the scene such dedicated and skilled plotters as [Khalid Shaikh] Mohammed, or the Indonesian terrorist known as Hambali, almost certainly prevented future attacks.
But the claim that the use of harsh interrogation techniques on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed produced "tips" that prevented an attack on the Library Tower in Los Angeles, the tallest skyscraper on the West Coast, conflicts with the chronology of events put forth on multiple occasions by the Bush administration -- a fact the Times did not mention. Indeed, as Slate.com's Timothy Noah has noted, the Bush administration said that the Library Tower attack was thwarted in February 2002 -- more than a year before Mohammed was captured in March 2003.
From Shane's April 23 New York Times "news analysis":
Even the most exacting truth commission may have a hard time determining for certain whether brutal interrogations conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency helped keep the country safe.
Last week's release of long-secret Justice Department interrogation memorandums has given rise to starkly opposing narratives about what, if anything, was gained by the C.I.A.'s use of waterboarding, wall-slamming and other physical pressure to shock and intimidate Qaeda operatives.
Senior Bush administration officials, led by Vice President Dick Cheney and cheered by many Congressional Republicans, are fighting a rear-guard action in defense of their record. Only by using the harshest methods, they insist, did the intelligence agency get the information it needed to round up Qaeda killers and save thousands of American lives.
Even President Obama's new director of national intelligence, Dennis C. Blair, wrote in a memorandum to his staff last week that "high value information came from interrogations in which these methods were used," an assertion left out when the memorandum was edited for public release. By contrast, Mr. Obama and most of his top aides have argued that the use of those methods betrayed American values -- and anyway, produced unreliable information. Those are a convenient pair of opinions, of course: the moral balancing would be far trickier if the C.I.A. methods were demonstrated to have been crucial in disrupting major plots.
For both sides, the political stakes are high, as proposals for a national commission to unravel the interrogation story appear to be gaining momentum. Mr. Obama and his allies need to discredit the techniques he has banned. Otherwise, in the event of a future terrorist attack, critics may blame his decision to rein in C.I.A. interrogators.

















I can't wait to see this "high value information".
Personally, I think they've been repeating that claim to cover their butts. If they really got something important or earth-shattering out of these sessions, don't you think the ever-leaking Bush Administration would have been crowing about it years ago?
I could be wrong, but I'm skeptical of these claims of "success." After all, it's coming from the same thugs who lied to us for years about Iraq.
Exactly. I would never believe anything these Bushies say, after the years of lies and warmongering.
It's human nature to not believe something that doesn't fit your viewpoint.
I wonder if you believe the Bush Administration claims that they thwarted the LA Plot in 2002, contradicting the DOJ memo that waterboarding caused Mohammed to give up that info?
I would never believe anything these Bushies say, after the years of lies and warmongering.
Thank you. MMFA believes them sometimes when it suits their purpose to do so.
bruce1ace, Seems that the Bushies were always in a hhurry to advise us of nothing that can be proved. Hell, they think it is too long to get a judge to sign a wiretap. and you want me to believe these guys were on the up and up.
People seem to be forgetting the reports way back when about Cheney showing up a CIA hdqts looking for WHAT? Something that fit his criminal agenda. What about those centrifuge tubes? What about the lies the Joe Wilson found? And now we are supposed to believe a criminal,Cheney, trying to use his old, insane con about prove something that never happened. Those days are over. Remember what the people voted for CHANGE. And they should get it.
burceiace, It is also human nature to not believe a liar.
That's exactly why I think it's funny that MMFA uses Bush Administration statements to "refute" a DOJ memo from 2005 regarding intel they may have obtained using waterboarding.
The Bush Administration has been discredited. Why does their statement on this matter mean anything?
Bruce,
I don't think the DOJ memo said that.
This is an old movie. Remember TEAM B. For those not familiar, Wiki has it. And it is the same old cronnies with the same old con. Prove that something that doesn't exist doesn't eixst. Duh?
TEAM B forever.
I'm skeptical too. And even if they did get useful information how do we know they wouldn't have gotten it using legal interogation techniques? The right likes to use hypothetical 'ticking time bomb' scenarios to justify torture. If there was no ticking time bomb (I infer from Blair's statement there wasn't) what was the rush? Why couldn't they try to get the info legally even if it took a little longer? Bottom line: Some sick people want to torture other people.
The "ticking time bomb" scenario is primarily a Hollywood dramatic device. The odds of all the pieces falling into place like that are extremely remote.
The "authorities" would have to acquire foreknowledge of a plot, capture a person they KNOW is involved, and be in a position to immediately check the accuracy of the answers they're getting. What are the chances? Almost zero.
What's more likely is that they're going on fishing expeditions, trying to pry information of unknown plots from detainees. The prisoner is most likely to tell them what he thinks they want to hear. He could make up all kinds of crap and they'd never know the difference. We already have FBI people on record saying that they wasted months chasing red herrings from these interrogations.
But, here's the bottom line. If, indeed, the CIA "knows" there is a nuclear device about to go off in New York, are they going to be more worried about saving millions of lives, or having to hire a lawyer? Are they so cynical and jaded that they would let the city be destroyed to avoid risking legal jeopardy? I seriously doubt it.
My guess is that any normal person would do whatever he thinks is necessary to save the city and worry about the legal consequences later. I, for one, would be willing to risk jail to save millions of lives. I think most people serving in our military or CIA would do the same.
Outlawing torture just keeps cowboys from using it as normal procedure. I truly believe that if the unlikely "ticking time bomb" emergency arises, our people will do what they have to do.
"Outlawing torture just keeps cowboys from using it as normal procedure. I truly believe that if the unlikely "ticking time bomb" emergency arises, our people will do what they have to do."
Precisely. Much like killing someone in self-defense. You do it if you really have to, and then demonstrate that later.
I don't think there is an "if you really have to" in some people's minds.
Plenty of examples of that around here.
Great points. Moreover, I imagine if such a situation were to arise, no prosecutor would ever indict, no jury would ever convict.
That's my sense. If an agent uses a thumbscrew on a prisoner to find out where a bomb is, and millions of people are saved, I'm pretty sure the agent would receive a pardon, or at worst a suspended sentence.
It just makes sense. Any normal person would risk a speeding ticket to get their injured child to the hospital, would they not? That doesn't mean we should abolish all speed limits.
The lengths you lefties will go to to make sure that a terrorist is kept in constant comfort and not subjected to any thying that may cause displeasure is amazing. Of course a jury would never convict a man that was invoved in the deaths of thousands because the fbi was mean to him.....GET REAL. If an agent did what you suggest and stopped a plot, he would not deserve a pardon, he would deseve the Medal of Honor
POV, Long time no reply. May I be so bold as to ask "If a jihadist feels that Americans were getting ready to bomb an Arabic country, would it be okay to torture that American by any means possible to get information, not knowing if he is a reliable source?" Or, since they are the bad guys that them torturing is torture but if we torture it is for a good reason? As a disclaimer, I do not agree with torture by either side but by definition, you need two sides to have a war. And the goose and gander premise should apply, not they did it first.
Nice Straw Man, Pavlov.
and yet you simply cannot establish that these techniques do not get results, and Blair agreed they do. Looks like you are the one covered in straw.
The depths of your ignorance knows no end. Your scenario is laughable..(Quit watching "24". By the way, the FBI would never get the Medal of Honor, he's not in the U.S. military.
I love 24, as well as House. Be that as it may, I still will lose no sleep offer a terrorist being subjected to these techniques, call them toture or anything you want.
So you have knowledge that these thechniques were only used on terrorist? I think not and you can't be sure!
furhtermore how many more "enemies" were created by our use of "enhanced interogation techniques"(sic)?
I don't lose sleep over terrorists being tortured or not tortured.
I lose a little sleep over our government swearing that suspect X is really a terrorist.
Please define the term terrorist. To me, its not simply someone accused of terror activities, but a convicted terrorist.
Of course not. You have no decency. You have demonstrated that and you are dishonest. Even though I have shown several times that people who were not even ACCUSED of being terrorists by anyone were tortured you just keep linking terrorists to the torture and ignoring plain fact. That is because facts, truth, and reality mean nothing to you and you care ONLY about propaganda