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Rove pushes "extreme" distortion of Obama health care remark

April 30, 2009 9:44 am ET

SUMMARY: In his Wall Street Journal column, Karl Rove distorted a statement by President Obama to falsely suggest Obama is now considering "a universal health care system like the European countries."

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In his April 30 Wall Street Journal column, Fox News contributor Karl Rove wrote that, in 2008, the Obama campaign "ran ads attacking 'government-run health care' as 'extreme.' Now Mr. Obama is asking, as he did at a townhall meeting last month, 'Why not do a universal health care system like the European countries?' Maybe because he was elected by intimating that would be 'extreme'?" In fact, in the town hall remarks Rove quoted, President Obama was paraphrasing the question he had just been asked -- "Why can we not have a universal health care system, like many European countries, where people are treated based on needs rather than financial resources?" -- before explaining why he opposed such a system.

As Media Matters for America documented, during the April 24 edition of Fox News' Special Report, White House correspondent Wendell Goler similarly reversed the meaning of Obama's remarks at the town hall to falsely suggest Obama supports creating a health-care system "like the European countries."

From the transcript of Obama's March 26 "Open for Questions" town hall meeting:

DR. BERNSTEIN: After the last recession ended in 2001, the unemployment rate went up for another 19 months before it started coming back down.

This next question -- an area close to your heart -- health care reform. From Richard in California: "Why can we not have a universal health care system, like many European countries, where people are treated based on needs rather than financial resources?"

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I was in this room last month in what we called a health care forum. And we brought all the members of Congress, Republicans and Democrats who were interested in this issue; we brought together various constituency groups, insurance companies, drug companies, you name it. And my message to them was: Now is the time to reform the health care system -- not four years from now, not eight years from now, not 20 years from now. Now.

And the reason -- (laughter) -- the reason that I think it is so important is that the high costs of health care are a huge drag on our economy. It's a drag on our families. I can't tell you how many personal stories that I hear about people who are working, maybe have two parents working and yet still don't have health care. And the decisions that they have to make -- excruciating decisions about whether or not somebody goes to a doctor -- it makes them less productive, it makes them less mobile in terms of being able to take new jobs or start a new business because they're worried about hanging on to their health care. So it's a drag on families.

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Now, the question is, if you're going to fix it, why not do a universal health care system like the European countries? I actually want a universal health care system; that is our goal. I think we should be able to provide health insurance to every American that they can afford and that provides them high quality.

So I think we can accomplish it. Now, whether we do it exactly the way European countries do or Canada does is a different question, because there are a variety of ways to get to universal health care coverage.

A lot of people think that in order to get universal health care, it means that you have to have what's called a single-payer system of some sort. And so Canada is the classic example: Basically, everybody pays a lot of taxes into the health care system, but if you're a Canadian, you're automatically covered. And so you go in -- England has a similar -- a variation on this same type of system. You go in and you just say, "I'm sick," and somebody treats you, and that's it.

The problem is, is that we have what's called a legacy, a set of institutions that aren't that easily transformed. Let me just see a show of hands: How many people here have health insurance through your employer? Okay, so the majority of Americans, sort of -- partly for historical accident. I won't go into -- FDR had imposed wage controls during war time in World War II. People were -- companies were trying to figure out how to attract workers. And they said, well, maybe we'll provide health care as a benefit.

And so what evolved in America was an employer-based system. It may not be the best system if we were designing it from scratch. But that's what everybody is accustomed to. That's what everybody is used to. It works for a lot of Americans. And so I don't think the best way to fix our health care system is to suddenly completely scrap what everybody is accustomed to and the vast majority of people already have. Rather, what I think we should do is to build on the system that we have and fill some of these gaps.

From Rove's April 30 Wall Street Journal column:

One is the gap between what Mr. Obama said he would do and what he is doing. His administration is emphasizing in its official 100 days talking points steps he has taken to "deliver on the change he promised." During the campaign, Mr. Obama denounced the $2.3 trillion added to the national debt on Mr. Bush's watch as "deficits as far as the eye can see." But Mr. Obama's budget adds $9.3 trillion to the debt over the next 10 years. What happened to Obama the deficit hawk?

From Mr. Obama's Denver acceptance speech through the campaign, Mr. Obama did not publicly utter the phrase "universal health care." Instead, his campaign ran ads attacking "government-run health care" as "extreme." Now Mr. Obama is asking, as he did at a townhall meeting last month, "Why not do a universal health care system like the European countries?" Maybe because he was elected by intimating that would be "extreme"?

Another emphasis in the Obama 100 days talking points is that the president is a decisive leader. However, Mr. Obama is enormously deferential to Democrats in Congress and has outsourced formulation of key policies to them. He appears largely ambivalent about the contents of important legislation, satisfied to simply sign someone else's bill.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (April 30, 2009 9:54 am ET)
         

      What does Bush's brain want ?

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 30, 2009 11:48 am ET)
           

        Ideas that don't die of loneliness.

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        • Author by neon desert (April 30, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
             

          I was thinking "a mason jar to call home", but your suggestion is plausible, too.

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          • Author by mary59 (April 30, 2009 7:29 pm ET)
               

            That mason jar should be labeled "abbie normal."

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            • Author by WildcatProgressive (May 01, 2009 9:41 am ET)
                 

              Aa long as we're throwing around Marty Feldman, the Repubs reaction to most issues they caused does seem to fall into the "What hump?" area.

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    • Author by SaddamHussein (April 30, 2009 9:57 am ET)
         

      Only in America could someone like Karl Rove still be on the streets and not serving time in prison.

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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (April 30, 2009 10:02 am ET)
         

      Why should anyone listen to the words of a pathological liar is beyond me.

      Then again that would describe the modern republican party

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      • Author by BISHAMON (April 30, 2009 10:17 am ET)
           

        My thoughts exactly. Rove appears incapable of telling the truth. Shows what he thinks of the GOP base, too, wihen he employs such an easily disprovable lie. That Rove's blatant falsehood appears in The Wall Street Journal tells you all you really need to know about that paper.

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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (April 30, 2009 10:40 am ET)
           

        He should be rotting in jail for running an office that promoted the outing of a CIA agent for political gain. That is how i remember him. Our founding fathers would have given him a fair trial and then shot him, on the spot, for doing that. It really bothers me that american history has individuals like that who also ostensibly pledge allegiance to this nation. I disagree with pres Obama. Hang the badge of dishonor on this portly man and only FOX will have him.

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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 30, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
           

        PROS2,I couldent have said it better myself

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (April 30, 2009 10:02 am ET)
         

      Typical, typical, typical...and so predictable. Karl Rove epitomizes intellectual dishonesty. What, Rove doesn't know that he is distorting what Barack Obama actually said? Sure... There used to be some public shame attached to being so blatantly dishonest. However, in right wing nut world it is a value.

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      • Author by captfoster2 (April 30, 2009 11:00 am ET)
           

        Whether Karl Rove is on FoxNoise or not... who really is listening to him?

        Nothing he says can be taken seriously... not even with most of Fox's zombies...

        I admit that there is a small fraction of our fellow citizens that will take what he says to heart...but... oh... wait... I understand --> NOW <--

        No wonder Fox has the T-Bloosom on all the time!

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    • Author by mk3872 (April 30, 2009 10:03 am ET)
         

      This is another example of a Murdoch company that does NO fact checking

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    • Author by LuvLuLu (April 30, 2009 10:35 am ET)
         

      This cannot be an accidental mistake.

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      • Author by pete592 (April 30, 2009 10:58 am ET)
           

        Of course it's not.  Rove & Co. failed to bring about affordable health care by simply doing nothing for 8 years.  Therefore, the right wing's only choice is to debate the issue dishonestly.  It's all they've got left.

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    • Author by mrhebert74 (April 30, 2009 11:10 am ET)
         

      Oh Noes! The president wants EVERYONE to have health care? What a disaster that would be!

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    • Author by snoopy (April 30, 2009 11:24 am ET)
         

      Yesterday, the house and senate passed the budget, and as expected, the party of no voted in lockstep against it - not a single republican vote. So I say screw them. Obama, please ram health care down their whiney little throats and don't compromise on a single thing with them. They don't deserve your outreaching anymore.

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      • Author by anotheramerican (April 30, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
           

        Hey Snoop,

        The gimmie party is in the majority. They will give everyone everything no matter what it costs. My question is.. who pays for it?  Surely it won't be you will it?

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        • Author by pete592 (April 30, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
             

          The insurance and health care industries are already passing on the costs of uncompensated care on to those of us who are fortunate enough to have insurance and employers who can still make the sacrifice to provide it.  If the give-to-the-rich party has any ideas on what to do about it, I'd like to hear it.  So far, all we've gotten is 6 years of inaction during majority rule followed by dishonest accusations of apacolypitic socialism.

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        • Author by snoopy (April 30, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
             

          If you think I'm planning on living off of welfare for the rest of my life you'd be sorely disappointed.

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        • Author by skeptical (April 30, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
             

          The gimmie party, AA, that was the Republican party.  They wanted everything given to the wealthy.

          All those rich Republicans were yelling gimmie, gimmie all day long.

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        • Author by solon (April 30, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
             

          You didnt seem to be that concerned with cost while the WARMONGER party was pushing a war in Iraq for corporate profit. You didnt seem too worried about what that cost  in money OR human lives. You just have no credibility

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        • Author by pointofview (May 01, 2009 7:49 pm ET)
             

          Everyone will be paying for it for years

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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (April 30, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
           

        I thought " screw them " when they presented a budget with no numbers in it, under the klieg light no less for all to see how incompetent they really are.

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    • Author by snoopy (April 30, 2009 11:29 am ET)
         

      Talk about extreme, I just found the posterboy for the right wing and fox news all rolled up into 1!

      By John Byrne

      Published: April 30, 2009
      Updated 4 hours ago

      Candidate for Georgia governorship says he’d kill his own son to secede


      A longshot Georgia candidate for governor who’s already admitted having sex with a mule before finding God says he’s ready to sacrifice his own son in an effort to get his state to secede from the union.

      Neal Horsley made national headlines when he posted the names, phone numbers and addresses of abortion doctors online. His “Nuremberg Files” website also crossed off the names of doctors as they were killed.

      Now he’s ready to make new news. In an interview by Dylan Otto Krider published late Wednesday, he indicated he’d kill his own son to dissolve the United States (in an effort to overturn Roe v. Wade).

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    • Author by ewl94232 (April 30, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
         

      WOW!  So let me get this straight.  Barak Obama is against a universal healthcare system like the European countries.  That's good. So am I.  But should you be saying this with his supporters watching?  They'll say you're stupid and dishonest and uneducated.

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      • Author by solon (April 30, 2009 6:17 pm ET)
           

        No we wont we will just disagree with him because he ISNT stupid, dishonest and uneducated we usually only call those who are stupid, dishonest and uneducated, stupid, dishonest and uneducated.

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      • Author by LuvLuLu (April 30, 2009 11:39 pm ET)
           

        Actually, when someone doesn't lie (like Rove lied), we're thrilled. We don't call people who tell the truth stupid or dishonest or uneducated. However, we see that you are very willing to baselessly put down those of us who object to liars like Karl Rove.

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    • Author by calijohn (April 30, 2009 8:03 pm ET)
         

      KARL ROVE IS A LIAR.

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    • Author by egb (May 01, 2009 2:02 am ET)
         

      It won't be Obama's health care program. It will be Reid and Pelosi's. Obama will sign any health care program that crosses his desk. Look to Reid and Pelosi to see what is in the works.

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      • Author by solon (May 01, 2009 3:57 am ET)
           

        I have no confidence in either of the HR 676 calls for a single payer health insurance plan. THAT is what I want to see. Still Rove lied anyway you want to look at it.

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      • Author by skeptical (May 01, 2009 7:30 am ET)
           

        Who else can we look to egb?  They are the Legislators, they write the legislation!

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    • Author by fantagor (May 01, 2009 3:42 am ET)
         

      Ah, that Rove! Looking out for the little fella. I love him. It's not like America would benefit from such a system. Heck no. Why, there's nothing better than spending hard earned money out of pocket for bare bones coverage. I should know. See, I pay out of pocket every month. But Karl wouldn't know about that, would he? He's probably been given access to a GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE PROGRAM FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. Which is terrible, according to him. So expect he'll drop out of it any day now...

      (**crickets**)

      Randy

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    • Author by ProgLib (May 01, 2009 4:28 am ET)
         

      wendell goler tried to push this same lie with his edited clip, but here, rove actually stated the falsehood. the nerve of this guy to talk out of his backside is amazing.

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