Does Dobbs think Dr. Gupta and others at CNN are "out of their cotton pickin' minds"?
SUMMARY: Noting that some people have criticized the use of the terms "swine flu" and "Mexican flu," Lou Dobbs said that the "idiots referring to it now as 'H1N1 virus' " are "out of their cotton pickin' minds." But Dr. Sanjay Gupta, among others at CNN, has used the term "H1N1," which Gupta said is "probably going to become the more appropriate nomenclature" for the virus.
Referring to the "outbreak of swine flu, or H1N1 virus, or the Mexican flu, or whatever" during the April 29 broadcast of his radio show, CNN host Lou Dobbs said that some people are "offended" by the terms "swine flu" and "Mexican flu," and that "we've got idiots referring to it now as 'H1N1 virus,' or, the 'novel flu.' " He added, "These people are out of their -- they're out of their cotton pickin' minds." However, several of Dobbs' colleagues at CNN -- including chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta -- have used the term "H1N1" to describe the virus, with Gupta at one point saying "H1N1" is "probably going to become the more appropriate nomenclature for this particular flu virus."
Department of Agriculture officials have said that "swine flu" is not an appropriate term for H1N1 because it creates a false association between eating pork and contracting the disease. Indeed, during an April 28 joint press conference with Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said: "[W]e have asked and there has been a response to change the name of this. This really isn't swine flu. It's H1N1 virus. That's very, very important. ... And the livelihoods of a lot of people are at stake here. And we want to reinforce the fact that we're doing everything we possibly can to make sure that our hog industry is sound and safe, and to make sure that consumers in this country and around the world know that American products are safe." Similarly, during an interview on the April 29 edition of CNN Newsroom, anchor Kyra Phillips asked Vilsack: "So, Mr. Secretary, if it has nothing to do with pork, if pork is 100 percent safe to eat, why is it being called swine flu?" Vilsack replied: "Well, it shouldn't be called 'swine flu.' That's the point. It should be called 'H1N1,' which is what, basically, technically, what it is. It's different strands of viruses and flus. There's a human strand, for example, in this combination. This is a new combination. Bottom line is this is not a food-borne illness that people are getting. It has nothing to do with the consumption of pork products."
Below are examples of Gupta and other CNN reporters referring to the virus as "H1N1" or explaining why it should not be called "swine flu":
- On the April 29 edition of CNN's American Morning, Gupta said to anchor John Roberts: "One thing I want to just point out as well, John, 'H1N1' is the name of this particular flu virus. It's been called 'swine flu' all along, although it's made up of several different components. The president used 'H1N1' as the nomenclature, and I think that's probably going to become the more appropriate nomenclature for this particular flu virus." Roberts then asked, "But do you think they're also doing that, Sanjay, because they're worried about the impact on the pork industry if we keep calling it 'swine flu'?" Gupta replied: "That's right."
- On the April 29 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, Gupta said to host Wolf Blitzer: "The vaccine, Wolf, that you mentioned earlier has not gone into production yet, as far as I know. That is something that may start as well. That's a big decision, by the way, Wolf, of starting vaccines on this H1N1 flu, because, when you start this sort of vaccine production, you do have to take away some of the manufacturing capabilities for your seasonal flu vaccine production." Later in the show, Gupta said that "we're talking about evidence that this -- this virus that we've been talking about for some time now, H1N1, can spread human to human. We've known that it could do that it in Mexico. There's now proof that it can do it in the United States, as well. If two countries can do it within one region -- one World Health Organization region -- that makes it Level 5. That's what it means specifically."
- During a report on the April 29 Situation Room, senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen said: "One of the more aggressive tactics to stem the spread of H1N1 -- a vaccine. ... The newly confirmed secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, promised that developing a vaccine, which usually takes months, will be speedier than before. Still, so many unknowns: How far will the virus spread? How soon will we have an effective and safe vaccine? And how many people will be touched by H1N1? What is sure, say officials, is more hospitalizations and most likely more deaths."
- During another report on the same edition of Situation Room, homeland security correspondent Jeanne Meserve said: "In the U.S., the virus, now known as '2009 H1N1,' continues to spread. Just since Sunday, the number of cases confirmed by the Centers for Disease Control has ballooned from 20 to 40 to 64 to 91, with the first death confirmed today."
- On the April 29 edition of CNN Newsroom, Gupta said: "One of the goals for doctors and scientists is to try and figure out where this virus, H1N1, originated. We were getting some tips that it probably came from an area close to pig farms. Given that people have called this the swine flu, there may have been a jump, if you will, from pigs to humans at some point." He had earlier reported: "[T]here are no pig farms in Mexico City. We're about two hours outside of Mexico City, in the state of Vera Cruz. You know, there are a lot of lessons to be learned here, and part of those lessons come from sort of defining the origins of this particular virus, H1N1, and then from there, sort of learning how does it get around? How does it transmit from one place to the other?" Gupta also called the virus "H1N1" when discussing the disease's origins. He said: "So a lot of people are going to be down here trying to figure out where Edgar, this cute little boy, contracted H1N1 from."
- On the April 30 edition of CNN's Larry King Live, Gupta said: "[O]ne caveat is that, that there's still some of this swine flu or H1N1 around in the fall and winter, it could sort of re-energize unless we're vigilant and do all the things that we've been talking about." Host Larry King responded: "H1N1 is the official, really, name of this flu."
From the April 29 edition of United Stations Radio Networks' The Lou Dobbs Show:
DOBBS: And by the way, we're going to update you on what is going on with the outbreak of swine flu, or H1N1 virus, or the Mexican flu, or whatever, because people are trying to figure out what to call it -- anything but "swine flu."
Did you ever think in your wildest imagination that someone would use the word "swine" and take objection to it and find a politically correct reason not to use "swine"? Who would have ever thought using the word "swine" would be offensive to someone? But, indeed, the government of Israel, taking exception -- on behalf, by the way, as well as Muslims -- to calling it the "swine flu."
They find that offensive. So they suggested we call it the "Mexican flu." Now guess who's offended by that? And we've got idiots referring to it now as "H1N1 virus," or, the "novel flu." Is it Russia calling it the "novel flu"? I believe it is. These people are out of their -- they're out of their cotton pickin' minds. I do not get it, but PC orthodoxy, here we are. Politically correct nonsense everywhere -- and why not in the swine flu outbreak? Makes perfect sense to me.
From the April 29 edition of CNN's American Morning:
GUPTA: One thing I just want to point out as well, John, H1N1 is the name of this particular flu virus. It's been called "swine flu" all along, although it's made up of several different components.
The president used "H1N1" as the nomenclature, and I think that's probably going to become the more appropriate nomenclature for this particular flu virus.
ROBERTS: But do you think they're also doing that, Sanjay, because they're worried about the impact on the pork industry if we keep calling it "swine flu"?
GUPTA: That's right.
From the April 29 edition of CNN's Larry King Live:
GUPTA: But one caveat is that, that there's still some of this swine flu or H1N1 around in the fall and winter, it could sort of re-energize unless we're vigilant and do all the things that we've been talking about.
KING: Thanks, Sanjay. We'll be checking with you all the time. What a job he's been doing. H1N1 is the official, really, name of this flu.
From the April 29 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
GUPTA: The vaccine, Wolf, that you mentioned earlier has not gone into production yet, as far as I know. That is something that may start as well. That's a big decision, by the way, Wolf, of starting vaccines on this H1N1 flu, because, when you start this sort of vaccine production, you do have to take away some of the manufacturing capabilities for your seasonal flu vaccine production.
[...]
COHEN: One of the more aggressive tactics to stem the spread of H1N1 -- a vaccine.
KATHLEEN SEBELIUS (Health and Human Services secretary): Currently, the FDA and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are developing virus reference strains -- the information regarding a virus that's necessary to develop a vaccine. And today, there are a series of steps that HHS is taking in that vaccine development.
COHEN: The newly confirmed secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, promised that developing a vaccine, which usually takes months, will be speedier than before. Still, so many unknowns: How far will the virus spread? How soon will we have an effective and safe vaccine? And how many people will be touched by H1N1? What is sure, say officials, is more hospitalizations and most likely more deaths.
[...]
MESERVE: In the U.S., the virus, now known as "2009 H1N1," continues to spread. Just since Sunday, the number of cases confirmed by the Centers for Disease Control has ballooned from 20 to 40 to 64 to 91, with the first death confirmed today.
[...]
GUPTA: Well, to become a Level 5 on this particular pandemic scale, we're talking about evidence that this -- this virus that we've been talking about for some time now, H1N1, can spread human to human. We've known that it could do that it in Mexico. There's now proof that it can do it in the United States, as well. If two countries can do it within one region -- one World Health Organization region -- that makes it Level 5. That's what it means specifically.
From the April 29 edition of CNN Newsroom:
GUPTA: There are no pig farms in Mexico City. We're about two hours outside of Mexico City, in the state of Vera Cruz. You know, there are a lot of lessons to be learned here, and part of those lessons come from sort of defining the origins of this particular virus, H1N1, and then from there, sort of learning how does it get around? How does it transmit from one place to the other?
[...]
GUPTA: And he's fully recovered according to his doctors and his family as well.
Heidi, really quickly, you know, that particular hog farm, they did give us a statement. I want to read that to you quickly: "Smithfield Farms has no reason to believe that the virus is in any way connected to its operations in Mexico. Its joint ventures in Mexico routinely administer influenza virus vaccination to their swine herds and conduct monthly tests for the presence of swine influenza."
So a lot of people are going to be down here trying to figure out where Edgar, this cute little boy, contracted H1N1 from.
[...]
GUPTA: One of the goals for doctors and scientists is to try and figure out where this virus, H1N1, originated. We were getting some tips that it probably came from an area close to pig farms. Given that people have called this the swine flu, there may have been a jump, if you will, from pigs to humans at some point.















This idiot is a racist in the purest sense of the word. Nevermind he's married to an Hispanic. Many Hispanics are caucasian and European since they are direct descendents of the Conquistadors.
Of all the analogies at his disposal, why say "cotton pickin?" For you apologist out there, wise up? We acknowledge racism in America, but of course there are none in the media. Yeah . . . right!
so he's a racist for saying "cotton pickin'"? you're cottin pickin' nuts.
There's this problematic little thing in communications called "subtext" that conservatives always miss. Saying "cotton picking" in and of itself is not racist. Saying "monkey" or "coon" are also not racist per se. One must consider the source (a virulent xenophobe), context and audience to understand the coded message. That may all too much for you to understand though Mr. B.
And he's used the term before, while discussing race in Amercia; he caught him though and stopped at "cotton".
I think I'm grown up enough to understand proper nomenclature. Things should be labeled appropriately to make sure all concerned are protected. That includes people/industries that make their living in "pork related fields". Ha.
OMG, there are just too many jokes there. Maybe Dobbs is right after all ;-0)
Will Republicans will call any government spending on this more porkulus?
Limborg hiveminders will always regurgitate what Rush tells them to think and use his own words since thinking for themselves is just beyond their capabilities so THEY will of course say porkulus everychance they get. Witness your post.
It was a joke son. A joke.
But I appreciate the "hiveminded" reflexive response. :-)
I hope that pig is flying in a supply of oinkment.
He might be. But back on earth, wealthy industrialists are trying to hog the oinkment for themselves and put all of it into hedgehog funds.
And are all pro-life, unless their daughters get pigment.
A litter bit goes a long way...
Miz Julia, is that Pig Angel? Or Angel Piglet? :-)
[this is a Jeter/Julia private joke]
The latter. Looks too cute and innocent to be you, ya dirty bastid!
Maybe Dobbs thinks H1N1 sounds too boring (See thread below) for the entertainment field in which he is employed.
Yep. H1N1 is not "Sexy Action Newsy" enough for him.
The talking heads each have their own formula, but Dobb's approach is to spice up the news with ethnocentricity to avoid the boredom that they all seemed to be plagued with. After all, CNN and the rest of cable crap news has 24 hours to fill each day.
I'm surprised they aren't claiming that they are trying to be politically correct now. Oh, wait, they are...
Mexican Flu?! Other than DOBBS, who the hellhas called it the "Mexican Flu"?! I've only ever heard Swine Flu, which promotes unecessisary fear about pork products, and H1N1, a term which possesses the conservative kiss of death by being scientifically accurate. It's Dobbs who's, wuite clearly, gone out of his cotton pickin' mind.
For the sake of political correctness Dobbs has refrained from calling the virus Wetback Flu. ;>)
The minutemen on the border are all being equipped with Nationex spray to keep illegal virii from crossing the border.
I also heard the CDC has issued a warning to wear not to go swimming in the Rio Grande or Tiajuana River. Those wearing blue face masks will be immediately deported.
Except there was this...
JERUSALEM (AP) — The outbreak of swine flu should be renamed "Mexican" influenza in deference to Muslim and Jewish sensitivities over pork, said an Israeli health official Monday.http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-04-28-swine-flu-jews-muslims_N.htm?csp=34
Kinda surprised a "health official" would want to go with "Mexican Influenza" and not H1N1.
Rev. Wright has renamed it "The MexiKKKan Flu ...home to roost"
I bet you think that was funny.
If you had stopped there you'd have lost that bet.
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Lighten up Francis.
Heavy up, substance-free.
Wow - got any pop culture references from the last twenty years?
Reverend Wright is ancient and irrelevant in history. But please, by all means, I welcome the Republicans to bring him up again in 2012. See how much victory it brings you.
Why does he think it's appropriate to call the people who use H1N1 "idiots"? Is to distract from the fact that he's a bigot?
Many people get upset about the supposed insiduousness of the term 'Politically Correct'. I think it's funny when they confuse that with being actually correct.
Are you flagging my posts for removal?
You're right, somebody is. There was an on topic, on point respectful debate ensuing about the term "cotton pickin", which is exactly the point of this thread and many of those good posts have been deleted. What's going on?
You're right; it was a completely on topic and wholly appropriate thread that was twice removed. Makes no sense.
I think the moderators owe those that posted in good faith an explanation as to why their posts were removed? If they were attached to posts that were inappropriate that is one thing, but I did not see that at all.
I don't know that there is a moderator. Maybe it's just that if a post is flagged enough, it's yanked. I wish only the posts that actually merited removal were pulled.
No, I am not flagging your posts for removel.
However, if your posts get removed, then the problem is with your posts, not with the person who flagged them for removal.
I don't agree with you or others that cotton-pickin' is necessarily a racist term. I do think that Dobbs is racist, but even so, cotton-pickin' doesn't always mean a smear against minorities. Despite my disagreement with your premise, I think that the discussion of that statement is fully on topic.
I don't understand what made MMfA remove the posts, but I am willing to live with whatever decision they made, and I sure wouldn't ever complain about any of my posts getting yanked like you have done. And I sure wouldn't complain to the posters if I were to feel the need to complain. I would complain to the people who yanked them, MMfA.
Just a simple request: please stop flagging on topic, non-offensive posts. You're kidding yourself if you think Media Matters wastes its time analyzing whether or not a flapped post merits removal; they most likely just yank it and move on. So again, a polite request: moving forward, please refrain from flagging posts you simply disagree with.
It's funny, but not once did I think that 'swine flu' had anything to do with pork, or food of any kind... it likewise never crossed my mind that 'Asian flu' had anything to do with Asians, or with Chinese food... also, I not once ever thought that 'boogie woogie flu' was caused by either boogying or woogying, or that 'rockin' pneumonia' could be contracted from any kind of rocking (or rolling for that matter).
The only problem I have with naming this current strain of influenza as H1N1, is that I don't know how to pronounce the name H1N1.
Dem,
I agree. When's the last time you went to a swine roast?
An interesting bit of linguistic history here.
Or boring... I don't know. (I enjoyed the press conference).
DEm
Pronunciation could be Hun-nun, but that sounds Far Eastern. Probably wouldn't work.
I'd guess Heinie.
It's funny, but not once did I think that 'swine flu' had anything to do with pork, or food of any kind...
Same here... For some reason, I just pictured Dick Cheney every time I heard "swine flu".
Have you tried "aitch-won-en-won?"
It was a joke... oscar above, he got it.
So was my post. I got it, too. Do you really need the <sarcasm> flag posted for you?
Is the abbreviation HTLV still used to describe the AIDS virus as well? I believe it stood for "Herpes-Type Leukemia Virus"
I'm asking because I really don't know.
I believe that HTLV (Human T-cell Lymphotropic Virus) is a completely different virus that was once thought to be the cause of AIDS.
Remember when AIDS was called Rock Hudson's disease?
I don't, but thanks for the info about HTLV.
H1N1 is a type of virus...not its name. It's the same type of virus that caused the Spanish Flu pandemic,
-- A subtype of INFLUENCE A VIRUS comprised of the surface proteins hemagglutinin 1 and neuraminidase 1. The H1N1 subtype was responsible for the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 and for swine flu. -- Refernce.MD
Read the report from the CDC...it chronicles the many outbreaks over the years of the H1N1 type of virus.
I agree with Dobb's. Really, Israel and the muslims were offended by swine flew? Does their religion tell them that pigs simply do not exist? As for Mexican's, why would they feel offended by "Mexican Flew"? Absolutely agree with Dobb's on this and am giving up Mexican food for awhile as well as firing my gardner's. I'll mow the lawns myself for awhile. (can't be too carefull)
While you're mowing, might be time to dig yourself a fall-out shelter and stay in it 'til everything is safe & worry free.
Mary, have you been to Mexico? Really, is it politically incorrect to say, "Don't drink the water in Mexico"!!! I mean, WOW!!
<End Sarcasm> And yes, 'flew' was intentional.
Swine flew over the cuckoo's nest, and into Dobb's cotton pickin mind.
Firing your gardner's what?
Lou Dobbs said that the "idiots referring to it now as 'H1N1 virus' " are "out of their cotton pickin' minds."
Sure, Lou.
Just like those who referred to the civil war in Iraq {instead of calling it the Dumbya-approved "sectarian violence"} were "out of their cotton pickin minds."
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Hmm...I have sudden craving for fajitas and a desire to storm the Alamo. Must be the Mexican Flu
I'm always shocked when I flip through channels and see Dobbs on CNN! True, CNN isn't exactly perfect - far from, but Dobbs just does NOT belong there! He's pure FOX News material.