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Scott, Angle ignored Panetta's caveats about accuracy of CIA summary of Pelosi briefing

May 08, 2009 3:46 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Jon Scott and Jim Angle reported on a CIA document that, in Scott's words, "says that Nancy Pelosi was briefed about the use of enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding back in 2002." However, neither noted Leon Panetta's caveats regarding the accuracy of the document.

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During the May 8 edition of Fox News' Happening Now, co-host Jon Scott stated that "the CIA now says that Nancy Pelosi was briefed about the use of enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding back in 2002, which seems to contradict what Speaker Pelosi said in a news conference two weeks ago." Chief Washington correspondent Jim Angle indicated that the source for this information was "the official record of the briefings released by the Director of National Intelligence [that] indicates the briefings were indeed on the particular techniques that had already been used on Abu Zubaydah." However, neither Scott nor Angle noted that, in a letter that accompanied the document, CIA director Leon Panetta described its source and suggested that it may not be "an accurate summary of what actually happened," as noted by Washington Post Co. blogger Greg Sargent earlier that day.

Panetta's letter, sent to House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-TX), ranking minority member Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), and other members of Congress, states that the information in the attached intelligence documents "is drawn from the past files of the CIA and represents MFRs [memorandums for the record] completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections" of individuals involved. Each letter also states that "[i]n the end, you and the Committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened." From Panetta's letter:

This letter presents the most thorough information we have on dates, locations, and names of all Members of Congress who were briefed by the CIA on enhanced interrogation techniques. This information, however, is drawn from the past files of the CIA and represents MFRs completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals. In the end, you and the Committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened. We can make the MFRs available at CIA for staff review.

From the May 8 edition of Fox News' Happening Now:

SCOTT: To the East Coast now, where the big question in Washington these days is: What did the Speaker of the House know, and when did she know it? The CIA now says that Nancy Pelosi was briefed about the use of enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding back in 2002, which seems to contradict what Speaker Pelosi said in a news conference two weeks ago: "We were not, I repeat, we were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation techniques were used."

A CIA memo also describes an intelligence briefing, where Pelosi was present, when enhanced interrogation techniques, or EITs, were discussed. It reads: "Briefing on EITs including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a decription of particular EITs that had been employed."

Jim Angle is live in Washington. All right, what have we learned in all the back-and-forth here, Jim?

ANGLE: Well, Jon, until recently, Ms. Pelosi's office had always acknowledged that she had been briefed in September 2002 on the enhanced interrogation techniques. It was only recently that she offered a different account suggesting that she knew they were going to be used but not that they had been used. But the official record of the briefings released by the director of national intelligence indicates the briefings were indeed on the particular techniques that had already been used on Abu Zubaydah. That was the first high-level terrorist who was captured.

So it is clear that Ms. Pelosi, at least from the official record, that she did get that briefing on the techniques. She got one briefing while she was on the intelligence committee with Republican Porter Goss. The bigger story here, Jon, is how many other lawmakers who are now critical of the program were fully briefed themselves and raised no objections at the time? Jon.

SCOTT: So a lot of these other lawmakers who are now squawking -- a lot of them did know at the time?

ANGLE: Lots of lawmakers. There were 40 briefings in all, starting early on with the top Democrats and Republicans on the intelligence committees. Senator Jay Rockefeller, for instance, was repeatedly briefed, as was Jane Harman, who took over Pelosi's spot on the House Intelligence Committee. In one briefing after another, Jon, the official log shows the techniques were, quote, "described in considerable detail, including how the waterboard was used," unquote. That's one briefing from February of 2002.

Other briefings even used slide presentations of both the enhanced interrogation techniques comparing them to non-enhanced techniques. Lawmakers were also told the interrogation methods were similar to what the U.S. military uses in training of Special Forces and pilots, and that includes the waterboard. So, lots of detail, Jon.

SCOTT: So I guess, you know, the question is, a lot people are objecting now, but when they were briefed back then, did anyone who got the briefing, did they raise objections?

ANGLE: Not that we know of. In fact, from the beginning of the program in 2002 until it became public in the fall of 2006, for instance, the House held 13 votes to authorize intelligence funds without anyone demanding changes or even raising objections. Only when it leaked out did those who already knew about it start saying how horrible it had been.

Remember, these were the months after 9-11; the CIA was getting actionable intelligence that helped disrupt several terrorist plots. Lawmakers apparently didn't want to stop that, but when it became public, many shifted gears and started criticizing a program they had known about for years -- Jon.

SCOTT: Isn't that interesting? Jim Angle, thank you.

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    • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
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      Looks like the right wing left themselves open again. They really need to get their facts straight before they open their yaps and make @sses of themselves.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 08, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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        It'll never happen. They'd rather win the argument than actually be right.
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    • Author by southerngal (May 08, 2009 4:28 pm ET)
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      Nice cover of Pelosi MMFA, you're doing your job well. So the letter from Panetta in some vague terms is refuting what his own agency is putting out? Baloney. It says "presents the most thorough information we have on dates, locations, and names of all Members of Congress who were briefed by the CIA on enhanced interrogation techniques. This information, however, is drawn from the past files of the CIA and represents MFRs completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals".

      She knew.
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      • Author by mary59 (May 08, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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        I hope that she didn't. But I want an investigation, and if she did know back in 2002, I'd sure like to know why she didn't raise hell about it. Despite all the caveats about national security, the whole thing is abominable.
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        • Author by loonz (May 08, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
             
          If she did know, the information was classified. You don't think the Bush administration and the republicans in Congress would have went after her?
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          • Author by mary59 (May 08, 2009 5:20 pm ET)
               
            I think if ANYONE knew that our government was torturing people, they should have done whatever was necessary to stop it. I don't know what Nancy Pelosi was told.

            It's possible that the Bushies are trying to broadbrush and implicate Democrats in their insane policies.
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            • Author by loonz (May 08, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
                 
              I think she would have went to jail especially since she was briefed just a year after 9/11 and Bush was popular. They would have accused her of treason and endangering national security.
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              • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
                   
                well folks, now the GOP is threatening to launch investigations into Clinton renditions. They are really reeking of desperation now.
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      • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
           
        CIA can’t vouch for claims in torture briefing document, agency director says

        By John Byrne

        Published: May 8, 2009

        “To be clear, it’s perfectly possible that the info about what Dems were told is right,” he added. “But not even the CIA is willing to promise this right now. So it’s unclear how much stock to place in the documents at this point.”

        Oops...
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        • Author by southerngal (May 08, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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          Oops? You added nothing more than what this "smoking gun" caveat did. Which is just more vague gibberish.

          She knew.
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          • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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            You call it vague gibberish and then proceed to claim it's proof she knew. That's some leap of logic, cowboy.

            During an appearance on MSNBC in February, Pelosi said, "They did not brief us that these enhanced interrogations were taking place. They did not brief us that was - they were talking about an array of interrogations that they might have at their disposal... They may have given inference that there was some debate that waterboarding could be legal. Of course, I disagree with that. But the issue is, are you going to use such a thing? And they had not ever briefed us that that was the case."

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            • Author by southerngal (May 08, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
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              So Pelosi's own words are now evidence? Whoppee. You will have to do better than that pardner'
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            • Author by southerngal (May 08, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
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              So Pelosi's own words are now evidence? Whoppee. You will have to do better than that pardner'
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              • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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                I think you are finally catching on. This is just more he said, she said. You don't believe a thing Pelosi says but expect us to believe some loyal bushies who have a huge stake in the game to deflect and cover up. This "smoking gun" is really more like one of them dimestore capguns, they make a lot of noise but that's about it.
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              • Author by loonz (May 08, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
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                No. It's a he said, she said situation.
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                • Author by southerngal (May 08, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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                  Gee, if I had to pick the truthiness of a statement and it was between an unelected government official and a politician worried about cya, I know who I'd believe.
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                  • Author by loonz (May 08, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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                    I'd wait for other evidence.
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                  • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 5:13 pm ET)
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                    Unelected but appointed by a political party leader government official. There, I corrected it for you.
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              • Author by mary59 (May 09, 2009 9:55 am ET)
                   
                What are you talking about?! You aren't rational. The report is vague enough, she denies that she was given direct info. that torture was being used, and that DOES match up with the Bush/co secrecy in everything they did.

                It's an ugly secret that George Washington would thoroughly denounce and repudiate, and shame anyone that even considered it.
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        • Author by southerngal (May 08, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
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          And what's even more staggering is that the CIA, our intelligence agency, can't even verify the accuracy of one of their own memos and the left, including MMFA, celebrates that inadequacy as some paltry defense of what Speaker Pelosi may not have really known.

          It's all about protecting Democrats, talk about a priority whack-out.
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          • Author by loonz (May 08, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
               
            That's not the point. They were asked to recollect something that happened years ago. Of course some things may not be accurate; they're human.
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            • Author by southerngal (May 08, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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              It came from memorandums recorded at the time, it isn't about pure recollection.
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              • Author by loonz (May 08, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
                   
                Did it say she was briefed that waterboarding was taking place?
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              • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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                It came from memorandums written some time after the actual meeting and enhanced with recollection. They might be accurate, but after seeing the pentagon reports pulled because it came to light that Rumsfeld ordered them to be written in such a way as to cover up evidence I'd have a hard time believing the people who wrote the memorandums weren't under the same influence to fudge facts.
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          • Author by snoopy (May 08, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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            I agree about the CIA's inadequacies, but to say this is all about protecting Dems? The whole reason we're reading about this is because a bunch of torture apologists demanded they be released in an effort to try and cover up the republican's complicity in allowing torture to happen. Their whole game appears to be to try and take a few dems down with them in the hopes that dems will back off. There's your real priority whack-out.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (May 09, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
           
        I don't care who knew. They should all suffer the consequences. We deserve to know the truth about what was done in our name. This is what an investigation is for. Let justice be done, though the heavens may fall. Let's bring it all into the light. I am by no means going to apologize for anything sinister that Democrats did during this same time period. At the very least, I believe some of them chose to look the other way because they were afraid to come out publicly and appear anti-war or pro-terrorist. I want to know who these people were too. We need and deserve to know these answers. And those that made the decisions to advocate, encourage, and allow torture on their watch must be held accountable if we are to return to the nation we were meant to be. But, that's just one man's opinion.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (May 08, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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      Just exactly who are these people working overtime and like demons, keeping this stupid issue alive in the media?

      Just look at the foolish hack faces of the two hacks in the Fox screenshot above: they're the ones doing this, and not just them, but every single one of their fellow hacks and sister hacks too... they're all taking turns keeping this bullchit alive.
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      • Author by LuvLuLu (May 09, 2009 11:18 am ET)
           
        The reason they bring up Pelosi's complicity in the use of torture techniques is because they are trying to say that if Nancy Pelosi didn't object, it can't be torture.

        The Bush Administration twisted the definition of torture to try to pretend what they were doing wasn't torture.

        They say that our SERE trainers do it to our servicemen, so it can't be torture.

        They say that Pelosi didn't object to it, so it can't be torture.

        It's all part of the plan to pretend it wasn't torture. But of course it was.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (May 09, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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          And that is what IS important. That this country does not allow in the future the next president G-Dub to say "yeah, but we tortured back then why can't we do it now". We are better than this.
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