Yet again, media figures respond to a Pelosi controversy with attacks on her looks
SUMMARY: Commenting on the controversy surrounding what Nancy Pelosi was told about the use of harsh interrogation techniques, numerous media figures have resorted to attacking Pelosi's looks, for example, by characterizing her as being incapable of "human facial expression," referring to her "fashionable" "Botox shots," and calling her a "hag."
Commenting on the controversy surrounding what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) was told about the Bush administration's use of harsh interrogation techniques, numerous media figures have resorted to attacking Pelosi's looks. Specifically, in the past several days, media figures have characterized Pelosi as being incapable of "human facial expression," referred to her "fashionable" "Botox shots," and called her a "hag." Media Matters for America has compiled the following examples:
- During the May 17 edition of CNN's State of the Union, CNN contributor Alex Castellanos claimed that "if Speaker Pelosi were still capable of human facial expression, we'd see she'd be embarrassed, because, right now, she is in a very Nixon-like position."
- In his May 17 Townhall.com column, Doug Giles wrote: "Either Nancy Pelosi is lying her backside off regarding her knowledge of the CIA's irrigation for information techniques, or one of the side effects of a high dollar Botox habit includes severe short-term memory loss." Giles further wrote: "In December 2007, Mrs. Pelosi admitted that she attended the briefing, but she wouldn't comment for the record about precisely what she was told. (What do you think old Nancy is doing here? Is she Botoxing? Does she have selective amnesia? Perhaps, a senior moment? Or is she revving up the engines on her BS Express?)."
- During the May 15 broadcast of his radio show, referring to Pelosi, Neal Boortz said he was going to talk about "how fun it is to watch that hag out there twisting in the wind."
- During the May 11 broadcast of his program, Rush Limbaugh said of Pelosi: "All right, all right. It wasn't a lie. It's a fashion statement. She wears Armani clothes -- fashionable; Botox shots -- fashionable. She's against waterboarding -- fashionable. Of course, after 9-11, she was for waterboarding. That was fashion then." On May 15, Limbaugh claimed that during her May 14 press conference, Pelosi was "shaking." He added: "Well, that could be Botox withdrawal. I don't want to be too hard on the shaking."
Additionally, during the May 13 edition of Fox Business' Happy Hour, co-host Eric Bolling responded to criticism of his comments about Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), saying:
BOLLING: I woke up this morning, and they told me I was one of [MSNBC host] Keith Olbermann's "Worst Person in the World." I was "worser" -- number two. [Fox News host] Greta Van Susteren, a wonderful lady, was worse. OK, here we go. Here was the problem.
This was supposed to be calling out people who wouldn't come on Happy Hour. We want them to come on Happy Hour. We'll take you. We'll take you, Timmy Geithner. We'll put you in left field this time because you're in left field. We'll take [Federal Reserve chairman Ben] Bernanke. This -- that's all this was all about. But he had a problem with me putting Barney Frank, Representative Barney Frank, as catcher.
Now, look, I come from a baseball past. We play -- listen, what am I going to do? Put Nancy Pelosi as a catcher? She'll get hurt. She's got all that plastic surgery. That would be terrible for her.
Media Matters previously documented media figures frequently resorting to attacking Pelosi's looks while discussing her. For instance:
- On the January 26 broadcast of his program, Limbaugh claimed that if Pelosi "wants fewer births, I have the way to do this -- and it won't require any contraception: You simply put pictures of Nancy Pelosi -- like, for example, the picture that [Internet gossip Matt] Drudge has of Pelosi right now on his website. Put pictures of Pelosi in every cheap motel room in America today. That will keep birthrates down because that picture will keep a lot of things down."
- On the September 17, 2008, broadcast of his Minneapolis radio show, discussing Pelosi's reported response of "No" when asked whether "Democrats bear some of the responsibility regarding the current crisis on Wall Street," Chris Baker stated: "Yesterday, they ask her, 'Do Democrats have any responsibility here?' And what does she say? 'No.' Another reason why it's very rare to find a woman worthy of serving in political office." Moments before, Baker had said of Pelosi, "Get another facelift, lady."
- On the June 30, 2008, edition of his radio program, Michael Savage said of Pelosi: "It's Mussolini at work -- Mussolini in a skirt with bad rouge; Mussolini if he came back and wore ugly clothing and put on bad makeup and had too much Botox. He would be calling for the Fairness Doctrine, assuming he would still own the winery and the bad restaurant chain." Savage previously referred to Pelosi, Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) as "yentas." He later asked his "board operator" if he would rather "be waterboarded for 30 seconds or eat Jane Harman's ravioli" and whether he'd rather "be waterboarded or eat Nancy Pelosi's tortellini."
- During the August 16, 2007, edition of MSNBC's Hardball, radio host Mark Williams referred to Pelosi as "Nancy Botox."
- During the October 31, 2006, edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Republican pollster Frank Luntz said of Pelosi: "I always use the line for Nancy Pelosi, 'You get one shot at a facelift. If it doesn't work the first time, let it go.' "













You mean like Rep. Foxx?
http://partyofjesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/virginia-foxx.jpg
But she's not an old hag for how she looks, but for what she says:
"During debate on a bill that would make hate crimes out of violence against gays based on Jeebus-based bigotry like the kind the Party of Jesus peddles at every opportunity, North Carolina Congresswoman Virginia Foxx said out loud that Matthew Shepard was not killed because he was gay."
yeah, that surgery is only good for girth, not length.
yeah, that surgery is only good for girth, not length.
I am reminded of the totally inappropriate way the Left treated the woman that headed the Florida Election count in 2000. Virtually every source on the left had mean spiteful things to say. They did the same with Linda Tripp and others in the Clinton sexual harassment issues. Women’s beauty faults or failures were considered fair game and the height of humor then. I hope none of you will be so hypocritical as to suggest that the Left does any better job on this than the Right, but it’s fair to say, right here and right now, it’s the Right that is misbehaving.
I won't bother commenting much on your post here... except to ask you to offer up links to prove your assertions here... once done, we can then compare hateful/hurtful comments and see where they come from all the time to not likely to have occurred but very seldom.
If there is proof that 'virtually' every source on the left did in fact say the things you claim... then I would be interested to know who he, she, or they are, so that I can condemn them for acting like a right-winger.
Slate
Slate didn't bash her as far as I know, I just posted that because they reference her bashing in the article. ;)
[quote]"They had trucks in Florida bringing the ballots to Tallahassee. In fact, it's the same trucks they used to bring the makeup to Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris." —Jay Leno
"It's cold out. It's even cold in Florida. So cold today that Katherine Harris put on a third layer of makeup." —Jay Leno
"Katherine Harris is in the middle of her 15 minutes of fame. Here's stage one of the 15 minutes of fame: Public ridicule. Stage two: The beauty makeover. Stage three: Posing nude for Playboy. Stage four: Becoming Mrs. Larry King." —David Letterman[/quote
Don't forget Wonkette:
Wonkette
Laura Dern on her portraying KH: Notice the drag queen comment from the interviewer:
:Laura Dern interview
Let's not forget the Washington Post fashion editor:
Washington Post's fashion editor, Robin Givhan, Harris is described as having lips "overdrawn with berry-red lipstick," and of the "creamy sort that smears all over a coffee cup and leaves smudges on shirt collars." Miss Harris' skin, the description continued, "had been plastered and powdered to the texture of pre-war walls in need of a skim coat. And her eyes, rimmed in lines and frosted with blue shadow, bore the telltale homogenous spikes of false eyelashes. Caterpillars seemed to rise and fall with every bat of her eyelid. ...
"Hers were not the delicate individual lashes that can be used to fill out sparse hairs and give the eyes a lush canopy," the text continues. These were "cartoon lashes, destined for a 'Saturday Night Live' skit."
"The cruel took to calling her the dragon
lady," says Givham, "and it quickly became clear that her 15 minutes of fame would be spent as the butt of jokes for late-night comics, morning talk-show hosts, and the Internet millions. By the time folks finished deriding her makeup, they couldn't stop the momentum. They went on to the clothes. ...
"Who knows what thoughts and concerns are whizzing through Harris's mind," goes the account. "But if body language
reveals anything, it is that this woman is extraordinarily tense in virtually every photograph. Her mouth is set in a jagged line. Harris is trapped in a torment of historical proportion. And it shows on her face. Harris did what any reasonable person would. She looked in the mirror and began to apply makeup. And apply makeup. And apply makeup. ..."
Should I post the nasty gutter snipes that said the most vile things about Palin and now the California beauty contestant?
Katherine Harris is actually pretty whacked, if you don't realize that you're not paying attention.
As far as Palin and Ms. California....the usual jokers made jokes. Some lefties joined in. I'd rather make fun of their strange ideologies, myself....
There are countless examples of the reverse.
This is actually completely irrelevant, because her "science" is just a bunch of hooey.
I am reminded of the totally inappropriate way the Left treated the woman that headed the Florida Election count in 2000. Virtually every source on the left had mean spiteful things to say. They did the same with Linda Tripp and others in the Clinton sexual harassment issues.
Funny... I don't remeber any of this this. But maybe it was lost amongst all the noise republicans were making in their attemtps to remove a democratically elected president for really no good reason at all. (And that's coming from a guy that didn't even like Clinton!) Tripp is scum because she betrayed a friend's confidence. She stabbed someone in the back who trusted and confided in her. Despite the right's whining, Pelosi has done no such thing. I'd be a little uneasy too if I was publically calling out a gang of torturers who operated in secret, without oversight, and who apparently didn't think there was anyone who could curtail their power.
Women's beauty faults or failures were considered fair game and the height of humor then. I hope none of you will be so hypocritical as to suggest that the Left does any better job on this than the Right,
Oh I'll take you up on that. The left does a FAR better job with this, and I challeneg to to proove otherwise. (You know, with actuall evidence?) So go ahead an try, but I'll say it now: We'll bury you.
I would think if the right wants to make a good comparisson, they should probably complain about how Jindal was treated in his response to Obama earlier this year. More people made fun of his presentation than what Jindal actually said. I am no Jindal supporter, but as a liberal, I was genuinely embarrassed by that whole ad hominem attack on him.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/05/14/miss-california-on-cable-news-fox--friends-gives-carrie-prejean-her-chance.html
Dude!
My intention was to point out what a bogus feint ridiculing Pelosi's looks is. I thought I was agreeing with this post.
Guess I wasn't clear about that.
I don't "get" the "loyal O'Lielly fan" comment.
Can someone explain to me how this whole issue has swung out of orbit to center on Pelosi, rather than the AUTHORS of the "enhanced interrogation" program. I can't follow their logic.
1. These techniques are NOT torture. Our fearless administration was doing what needed to be done in a time of war and if you disagree, you're on the side of the terrorists.
2. These techniques ARE torture and it is Nancy Peloi's fault for not stopping the administration from implementing them. That is why she is such a boxtoxed hag.
I suppose we could investigate Peloi's role at some point after the previous administration has been tried for war crimes. I mean, first things first, right?
One talker who is a bad offender in this regard is The Not-So-Great One, aka Mark Levin. He is always cracking on people's looks, especially women, and yet he has the hypocritical arrogance to come to poor Limbaugh's defense when his looks were commented on by David Frum. Now that's rich.
I appreciate (and indulge in) snarkiness and sarcasm at least as much as the next guy, but it is no substitute for actual thinking. Subjugating the discussion of our government's use of torture to sniggering comments about Peloi's looks is mind-boggling.
Has it really come to this?
Sure she could have worded her rebutals a little more politically but; it wouldn't have mattered much. Conservatives would have still bashed her for her stand, right or wrong.
I could always hope that we could get by the double standard, in politics, that says a woman can't do the job as well and, oh yeah, they need to be good looking too.
Sure she could have worded her rebutals a little more politically but; it wouldn't have mattered much. Conservatives would have still bashed her for her stand, right or wrong.
I could always hope that we could get by the double standard, in politics, that says a woman can't do the job as well and, oh yeah, they need to be good looking too.
Her looks over the horizon at Russia from the porch of her house.
Except I wouldn't say that Simple Sarah was attached becasue of her looks. Personally I think she's rather attractive for a women her age. Not my type maybe, but I'm sure no one finds her to be at all unfortunate looking.
Me? I just attcked her for her abject hypocrisy, dishonesty, incompetence and stupidity. I'm sure that what most liberals did. We're like that. We don't care what you look like, but you'd better be smart as hell!
It doesn't surpise me though that some conservtaives may have accused liberlas of doing this tough. They do tend to project a lot, and they almost NEVER argue policy with a women with any seriousness. So they would have found it unthinkable for a liberal to do so.
This is NONSENSE. People interpret this crap however it fits their agenda. There's not a scrap of science behind it.
She looks bad because the right wing medai makes her look bad. PERIOD. She attacked relentlessly as yet beyound "liberal" not one RW pundit can clearly articulate what she's done (other than succeed with a liberal platform) that makes her so repellant. So they go with this nonsense. Same with Hillary.
I would find ti find it far more disturbing (were there any truth to this) that Hannity, O'Rielly, Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc... could lie so effortlessly, without giving any clues vie their "behavior."
http://www.skepdic.com/polygrap.html
They're basically crap, for the same reason that you analysis of her behavior is.
Twice now you mentioned "presciptions", the first time in the context of "drug abuse." WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! None of this has anythign to do with prescription drugs!
Your reply [2nd post] was however far more reasoned that the first post, which is what I was replying to. I still say you're jumping the gun on Pelosi and either falling for, or pushing, the RW talking poitns. But I guess you have your reasons. I don't think she's the best speaker we've ever had either: She's no Tip O'Niell, I'll give you that. But after Gingrich and Hastert, I'll take her. (Would I prefer Stenny Hoyer? Perhaps. But I won't call for her head until she's done somethign ACTUALLY WRONG, like doing the COUNTRY a disservice as oppposed to just "doing herself a disservice."
You guard these types of matters even in error. It may have been better not to "Speak(er)", just as it may have been in my case.
Ms Pelosi is eloquent but not for this position. As an American i make that assertion because I feel this topic should not be public.
I hope that you will excuse my forwardness regarding Ms. Pelosi and I intend to do factually better.
The line between bad/lazy journalism and outright propaganda has been crossed. There are no longer any excuses the media can use about "he-said, she-said" journalism and "presenting both sides". The only question to the news media is "how much are you being paid to distort the news and who is paying you".
Really? Is there really no one on the Left that remembers any of this? Surely there must be some of you that do. Not that I blame you for keeping silent. On the Left you only invite attack if you stray from the doctrine of Left-wing infalibility. I can remember, not only these attacks, I can remember unfair attacks from the Right. Hillary's pants suites, Lucy Byrd's nose. Elenore Roosevelt's homeliness. Maybe that's one of the mental deficiencies that makes us Right-wingers so inferior, we have memories.
The issue with the attractive Nancy Pelosi, (I'm old enough to say that with sincerity), isn't her looks, (and it was wrong for anyone to mention it), it's with the inappropriateness of her calling the CIA liars in a press conference like she did, (some of you may be able to remember back that far), and the question of whether she's telling the truth, (which in spite of Left-wing dogma is very much in question). Once that's determined, which it hasn't been, then the question is, does the Democratic Party want to sacrifice parts of its leadership to try to prosecute Bush Administration officials on dubious charges, (which in spite of Left-wing dogma is still the case), or drop the issue, (as it appears the Obama Admin. wishes they would do).
I think it will hurt the country, so I sort of hope they don't. But I think it will hurt the Democrats more, so I sort of hope they do. Anyway, it's out of our hands and fortunately, not in yours either.
Oh yeah! I always thooght Tip O'neil was a rather pleasant looking old fellow. Sorry, I don't want to take time to look up references for that one either. (I must be lying.)
I guess Limbaugh's presence reduces birth rates far more than Pelosi's picture.
Speaking of which, Rush ain't that good looking.