Tucker Carlson falsely accuses Obama of avoiding word "abortion" during ND commencement
SUMMARY: Tucker Carlson falsely asserted that President Obama was "afraid to use the word" "abortion" during his May 17 commencement address at Notre Dame. In fact, Obama used the word several times during the speech.
In a May 18 washingtonpost.com discussion, Fox News contributor Tucker Carlson falsely asserted that President Obama was "afraid to use the word" "abortion" during his May 17 commencement address at the University of Notre Dame. In fact, Obama used the word several times during the speech.
During the discussion, a reader asked Carlson and Air America Radio national correspondent Ana Marie Cox, who was also answering questions: "How do you both think Obama did at Notre Dame yesterday? Do we move forward with a dialogue on abortion or did Obama just say what people at ND wanted to hear?" Carlson replied:
You can't have a real conversation about abortion if you're afraid to use the word.
Pro-choice? Pro-life? Those are slogans designed to obscure rather than illuminate.
The debate is about whether abortion ought to be legal, not about whether you respect "life," whatever that is, or whether you think people ought to have "choices," whatever those may be.
So let's call it what it is. That'd be a good first step. Obama, who's deeply interested in language, knows this but not surprisingly failed to mention it.
In fact, Obama did not "fail[] to mention" the word "abortion" -- he used it several times during the course of his speech.
From President Obama's May 18 commencement address:
OBAMA: The question then -- the question then is, how do we work through these conflicts? Is it possible for us to join hands in common effort? As citizens of a vibrant and varied democracy, how do we engage in vigorous debate? How does each of us remain firm in our principles, and fight for what we consider right, without, as Father John said, demonizing those with just as strongly held convictions on the other side?
And, of course, nowhere do these questions come up more powerfully than on the issue of abortion.
As I considered the controversy surrounding my visit here, I was reminded of an encounter I had during my Senate campaign, one that I describe in a book I wrote called, The Audacity of Hope. And a few days after the Democratic nomination, I received an email from a doctor who told me that, while he voted for me in the Illinois primary, he had a serious concern that might prevent him from voting for me in the general election. He described himself as a Christian who was strongly pro-life -- but that was not what was preventing him potentially from voting for me.
What bothered the doctor was an entry that my campaign staff had posted on my website, an entry that said I would fight, quote, "right-wing ideologues who want to take away a woman's right to choose," unquote. The doctor said he had assumed I was a reasonable person. He supported my policy initiatives to help the poor and to lift up our educational system, but that if I truly believed that every pro-life individual was simply an ideologue, who wanted to inflict suffering on women, then I was not very reasonable. He wrote, "I do not ask at this point that you oppose abortion, only that you speak about this issue in fair-minded words" -- fair-minded words.
After I read the doctor's letter, I wrote back to him and I thanked him. And I didn't change my underlying position, but I did tell my staff to change the words on my website. And I said a prayer that night that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that the doctor had extended to me, because when we do that -- when we open up our hearts and our minds to those who may not think precisely like we do or believe precisely what we believe -- that's when we discover at least the possibility of common ground.
That's when we begin to say, "Maybe we won't agree on abortion, but we can still agree that this heart-wrenching decision for any woman is not made casually; it has both moral and spiritual dimensions."
So let us work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions. Let's reduce unintended pregnancies. Let's make adoption more available. Let's provide care and support for women who do carry their children to term. Let's honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion, and draft a sensible conscience clause, and make sure that all of our health care policies are grounded, not only in sound science, but also in clear ethics, as well as respect for the equality of women. Those are things we can do.
Now, understand -- understand, class of 2009, I do not suggest that the debate surrounding abortion can or should go away, because no matter how much we may want to fudge it -- indeed, while we know that the views of most Americans on the subject are complex and even contradictory -- the fact is that, at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable. Each side will continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction. But surely we can do so without reducing those with differing views to caricature.
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OBAMA: And at the time, Cardinal Joseph Bernardin was the archbishop of Chicago. And for those of you -- for those of you too young to have known him or known of him, he was a kind and good and wise man -- a saintly man. I can still remember him speaking at one of the first organizing meetings I attended on the South Side. He stood as both a lighthouse and a crossroads, unafraid to speak his mind on moral issues ranging from poverty and AIDS and abortion to the death penalty and nuclear war. And yet, he was congenial and gentle in his persuasion, always trying to bring people together, always trying to find common ground. And just before he died, a reporter asked Cardinal Bernardin about this approach to his ministry. And he said, "You can't really get on with preaching the Gospel until you've touched hearts and minds."
From the May 18 washingtonpost.com "Balance of Power" discussion:
Wash, D.C.: How do you both think Obama did at Notre Dame yesterday? Do we move forward with a dialogue on abortion or did Obama just say what people at ND wanted to hear? Thanks.
Tucker Carlson: You can't have a real conversation about abortion if you're afraid to use the word.
Pro-choice? Pro-life? Those are slogans designed to obscure rather than illuminate.
The debate is about whether abortion ought to be legal, not about whether you respect "life," whatever that is, or whether you think people ought to have "choices," whatever those may be.
So let's call it what it is. That'd be a good first step. Obama, who's deeply interested in language, knows this but not surprisingly failed to mention it. Because despite yesterday's rhetoric, he's as hardened an ideologue on this issue as anyone who heckled him.














You gutless wonder. Put back on the bowtie you weasel.
He's a complete joke. Give it up Tucker. You need a new line of work.
Carlson is a tool. Why does he still have a job?
Now, now, IRONY . . . you should know that if Bull OhReally can review a movie or album without having seen/listened to it, surely Bowtie can comment on a speech he hasn't heard.
It's the Fox Comedy Channel way.
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Randy
I do have to say though that I kind of miss Bush. Now we have an articulate and thoughtful president who trys to look at both sides of the issue before making a decision. With Bush every speech was an opportunity for another SNL skit. "The Decider had decided, now git out of the way!"
I am SO glad he's joining Fox Noise!!!!!
I think I just had a virtual near-death experience. I logged in the same as ever but went four times to a screen talking about the Media Matters certificate expiring 5-2-09 before it finally let me in. Did they botch my banning perhaps? I don't know what happens when you're banned exactly.
Then I checked my last comments for any replies and found one to a comment I made to the Friday Jamison Foser article. I never thought to check if it was closed this soon but it was. I wrote my response prior to finding out comments had closed. I chose this article because it's about Notre Dame also. There's some light snark in my first paragraph that may be confusing without seeing the other replies. After that it's straight-on.
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My reply to johnqdoe on the Friday Foser article:
Thank you for the very thoughtful reply John. I appreciate your knowledge on the subject and the effort you took to make yourself clear. Sometimes people will make vague or ambiguous assertions the point of which is difficult to discern for certain. Although if you know the history of that poster or their likely AKA's you might very well have a good guess---but you can't say anything. It's like playing checkers or something! Maybe they are too bashful or too polite or whatever to CLEARLY say what they mean so that if they're challenged they can always say that they were misunderstood, I don't know. Or they "allow the fool to talk" i.e. bait the other guy into interpreting what they said thereby getting their message out without having to clearly state it themselves.
You say the media has a lot to do with the nickname. Of course it does but I say that if Notre Dame wanted to put an end to it they could. If they let it be known by word and deed that they no longer wished to be associated with that name, the journalists would go along and the alumnae would too eventually. To do so as a practical matter I think they'd have to also drop 'Irish', not just 'Fighting'. That would make the point in the only SINCERE way available as I see it. And it would be even better than just dropping 'Fighting', although it is not the objectification of my group which riles me nearly as much the characterization as violent. That really gets my Irish up. 'Beyond the pale' as they say.
What deed? Like I said in my first comment, I don't know that much about this school, but I do remember seeing pictures of the mascot with his dukes up. How about drawing the leprechaun with a pot of gold instead, for example. Irish as greedy? Hey we're everything else bad in the bigots' minds, why not that too? Anything but violent due to the economic impact this has on us (especially in concert with the over drinking stereotype).
The saddest part of it to me as an Irish American Catholic is to see brother Hibernians in leadership who seemingly are too cowardly or insensitive to the plight of the many millions of poor Irish in this country to make the change. I wish they could be empathetic to the poor like Jesus was. I'm no great Christian myself but I know that much about it. I can't quote a single scripture but I'll bet he'd side with me over all the bigshots luxuriating in false pride at the expense of their fellow sons of Erin who are down on their luck.
By the way John, perhaps unwittingly, you demonstrated my point in your reply when you stated: "Journalists used the term because the team featured tough, combative Irishmen and it caught on." The Irish aren't any tougher than anyone else or more combative. Irish football players, yes, but that goes for ALL high level football players---the violent nature of the game selects for those traits.
It's not just for my bunch that I address this problem. With the restricted two party political system that we unfortunately have, the Democratic Party can't afford to lose ANY votes---even the unwashed Irish masses. The Right plays to this by putting Irish American goons (every group has them including us) in very prominent places in society to draw out the anti-Irish prejudice in the Left which is of course seen by us Irish who then turn against the party of the Left. The Left thinks it's smarter than the RIGHT. It's not, not politically, as a practical matter. The GOP could buy and sell them and has regularly---except when they have the most horrible of hands. End result, everyone loses but the puppet masters on the Right and their apparatchiks.
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200905150039
A man's got to make a living, after all.
Okay, maybe "man" isn't the correct word to use here. Weasel might be a tad more approriate.
So let's call it what it is. Translation: The question is whether abortion should be legal.
Obama ... knows this but not surprisingly failed to mention this. Translation: Obama used the often heard phrases "pro-life" and "right to choose" without attempting to explicitly defend the legality of abortion.
... he's as hardened an ideologue on this issue as anyone who heckled him. Translation: A.) I will take any opportunity I can get to call a liberal an ideologue, and B.) He can call for fair-minded debate all he wants, but President Obama is not really interested in discussing making abortion illegal.
Today it seems that the only way he can gain any attention at all is by lying and being intellectually lazy. Sadly for Tucker, he is still irrelevant.
Do you mean Tucker Carlson is on FuzziNews?
Do you mean Tucker Carlson is a self-loathing, not-even-able-to-make-it-past-the-first-week-on-Dancing With The Stars, talentless lying hack.
Who knew?
Remember, every TV program, regardless of tne network, on which Tucker Carlson has hosted, has gone off the air.
Keep up the good work, Tucker.
For any of you not aware Tucker's dancing is well...just plain embarrassing. Not that you need to be able to dance to fool the Right Wing Conservative Base of this country, but needless to say I had nightmares after watching. It scared me that a man could be so uncoordinated and "odd" looking.
"Make Money By Telling Blatant Lies While Throwing Any Shred Of Pride And Decency Far Out The Door" If you have not heard that is the new National Slogan for Republican Pundits like Ann Coulter, Tucker, Rush, Hannity, ...oh...hell the entire Fox News Organization.