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May 20, 2009 9:14 am ET

SUMMARY: Chuck Norris repeated the false claim that pedophiles could be protected under the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act.

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In his May 12 and May 19 columns for Creators Syndicate, actor and political activist Chuck Norris falsely claimed that pedophiles could be protected under the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Norris wrote in both columns that the legislation -- which, among other things, defines as a federal crime certain acts or attempted acts of violence committed "because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person" -- "could ... provide elevated protection to pedophiles." In fact, while conservatives have pointed to the bill's inclusion of "sexual orientation" and "disability" to justify their assertion that the bill could protect pedophilia, neither term would do so.

As Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) noted during an April 23 House Judiciary Committee hearing, the term "sexual orientation" is already defined by federal statute as applying only to "consensual homosexuality or heterosexuality," thereby excluding pedophiles, who engage in nonconsensual sexual relationships with children.

Pedophilia is also not considered a "disability" under current federal law. The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), specifically excludes pedophilia, thereby precluding protection for pedophiles from the hate crimes bill.

Both FactCheck.org and PolitiFact.com have also written that the hate crimes bill would not protect pedophiles. FactCheck.org wrote: "[P]edophiles would get no breaks under this bill." PolitiFact.com wrote that "we've found nothing to support the opponents' claims that pedophiles would be protected by the hate crimes bill" and concluded that the claim is "Pants on Fire" wrong.

In addition, Norris wrote in his May 19 column that Saddam Hussein punished "people who merely spoke out against him, his rule or his politics" and later added: "Offensive speech being punishable by law? But it might not be that far off for America, especially if the course of free speech continues on its present track -- a path of progressive restrictions, both from our government and our culture." Norris then cited the hate crimes bill as an example.

Norris' syndicated column is also published on the conservative websites Townhall.com, WorldNetDaily, and HumanEvents.com.

From Norris' May 19 column, titled "Outlawing Opinion":

It greatly alarms me that Americans' constitutional right of freedom of speech is being squeezed out of our culture.

Several years ago, I watched then-"20/20" correspondent Diane Sawyer interview Saddam Hussein, who was dictator of Iraq at the time. She respectfully confronted him for the atrocities and executions he used as punishments for people who merely spoke out against him, his rule or his politics. Surprisingly naive of America's constitutional basis, Saddam asked, "Well, what happens to those who speak against your president?" (He clearly was expecting that such speech was also a crime in the U.S. and punishable by law.) Shocked by his sheer ignorance of the U.S. -- and somewhat at a loss for words herself -- Diane quipped back in answering his question, "They host television talk shows!" Saddam's facial expression revealed that he was totally confused by her answer.

Sounds so far-out, doesn't it? Offensive speech being punishable by law? But it might not be that far off for America, especially if the course of free speech continues on its present track -- a path of progressive restrictions, both from our government and our culture.

For example, presently bill S. 909 is on the fast track through the Senate, poised under the guise of the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. While the bill purports to target crimes of brutality, not speech, once enacted, local justices could expand its interpretive enforcement to encompass a wider meaning than originally conceived. In the end, it could not only criminalize opinions (an unconstitutional act) but also provide elevated protection to pedophiles.

If our policymakers understood and followed the constitutional government our Founders laid down for us, they never would advocate any so-called hate crimes bill.

From Norris' May 12 column, titled "Of Bakeries, Burglars and Bad Congressional Bills":

Our Founding Fathers simply never could have imagined such rampant degradation and utter disarray among younger generations. Proof of that is seen in Ben Franklin's 1787 pamphlet, "Information to Those Who Would Remove to America," which was a guide for Europeans who were considering relocating to America.

 

In it, Ben said, "Hence bad examples (of) youth are more rare in America, which must be a comfortable consideration to parents." Can you picture a present-day politician saying, "Bad examples of youth are rare in America"? He or she would become the ridicule of pundits and politicians alike.

One way we can fight right now for our Founders' America is by going to http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000009957.cfm and joining the several hundred thousand Americans who already have voiced their opposition to the passage of the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, because in the end, it could not only criminalize opinions (an unconstitutional act) but also provide elevated protection to pedophiles. Is that how we want our government protecting our children and the Constitution?

I've felt honored to be reconnected to the younger generations through the "Chuck Norris Facts" proliferation. I hear from thousands every year, listen to their concerns, and do my best to carry their concerns to appropriate parties to implement change.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (May 20, 2009 9:35 am ET)
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      Let's cut to the chase...some conservatives believe it's their constitutional right, and perhaps their religious obligation, to hate gay people. They tend to automatically equate homosexuals with pedophilia. Chuck Norris should stick to selling gym equipment with Christie Brinkley instead of trying to act like a thoughtful man.
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      • Author by juliajayne (May 20, 2009 10:13 am ET)
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        I hear Chuck Norris' round house kick is getting rusty. I think it's more appropriate for him to concentrate on matters of THAT magnitude.
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      • Author by pete592 (May 20, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
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        "trying to act like a thoughtful man."

        Well, he is an actor. Go figure. ;-)
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 20, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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        Ok, but... We're not outlawing "hate" (the emotion) here. (And can someone please point out where it actually outlaws "hate speech" and enumerated the punnishment there fore? It seems to me that most of teh "punnishments" for "hate speech" come in the "free market" form, as opposed to the legal form.) Nor are we "protectinbg" the ACT of homosexuality, or indeed ANYTHING AT ALL. Hate is still legal. Homosexuality is still legal. Aand everything illegal before the bill's creation remains such. All this does it punnish MORE SEVERLY those people who COMMIT CRIMES against certain groups with the intention of INTIMIDATION the ENTIRE GROUP.

        So... as usual... conservative opposed to this are just a bunch of asshats who don't know what they're talking about.

        They should either grow up, or STFU.
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        • Author by Floyd (May 21, 2009 9:26 am ET)
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          I've read all these comments on chosen sexual lifestyles getting rights to do their debauchery and all that is talked about is how terrible the messenger is. Do any of you have a comment on the issue of pedophiles getting the same 'rights' as homosexuals?

          How does the author of this article assume that some children can consent to pedophile conditions? "thereby excluding pedophiles, who engage in nonconsensual sexual relationships with children." The obvious inferance is that some pedophile relations can be consensual. How can this author make such a grevious mistake? Unless it wasn't a mistake, then that would make Chuch Norris correct about his assessment that pedophiles would be eligble for the same marriage rights that gays are after. I agree with Chuck, also, since giving rights to one sexual perversion is no different than giving rights to another.

          But, either way, these "rights" that you seek have been voted on over and over and each time the majority thinks you are a sexual perversion and aren't worthy of rights for a chosen lifestyle. You got civil unions, but want marriage. Get a real sense of duty and fight for more stringent civil union rights, since marriage is a religous ceremony and you refuse to let the government coincide with religion.
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          • Author by mary59 (May 21, 2009 8:01 pm ET)
               
            I had to read your 2nd paragraph again, and still find it hard to believe your conclusion. No, children by LAW cannot consent to a sexual relationship. Therefore they are already protected. Pedophiles are straight as well as gay.

            If you don't want to confuse yourself even more, give up this subject now.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 22, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
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            Under the law, a CHILD cannot give consent. Period. So, yeah... you have no idea what your talking about.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 20, 2009 9:41 am ET)
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      Saddam asked, "Well, what happens to those who speak against your president?" (He clearly was expecting that such speech was also a crime in the U.S. and punishable by law.)
      No, Saddam knew that those who criticized Bush were called "haters of America" and "traitors," in an attempt to intimidate them and shut them up.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 20, 2009 9:42 am ET)
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      Norris has apparently been hit in the head too many times.
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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (May 20, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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        Hell yeah he has. This is the same dude who says he's done two tours in Iraq.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Rb4W54JnI
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 20, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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          He probably did, but it was with a tour guide, not with the military.

          "Oh, my, St Louis has changed so much since I was here last..."
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 21, 2009 8:55 am ET)
             
          Yeah, and Bob Hope did three tours in Korea! LOL.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (May 20, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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        "Norris has apparently been hit in the head too many times."

        Now that's a lie! I've unfortunately seen most of Norris's movies and even worse, watched several episodes of "Walker, Texas Ranger" and I don't recall Norris, like Steven Segal... being hit in the head all that often!

        No, no... his brain damage is a natural occurrence, like that of most other right-wing crazies!
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    • Author by jonwisby (May 20, 2009 9:47 am ET)
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      CHUCK FOR PRESIDENT (of texas)
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      • Author by juliajayne (May 20, 2009 10:50 am ET)
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        If only making an onion cry and sneezin' with your eyes open wuz qualifications to be president of mah great state!
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        • Author by worrierking (May 20, 2009 11:00 am ET)
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          I know he said he'd be interested in running for The Presidency of Texas, but is he even a resident of your state?

          I know he played a Texas resident on TV but I'm not sure that counts.
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          • Author by juliajayne (May 20, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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            I don't know where this unregenerate fool lives. Probably in an underground bunker somewhere.

            But if this smack talkin' eejit ever deigns to darken my door? I'll make a diablo sandwich of him!
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          • Author by jonwisby (May 20, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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            I'm not from Texas.
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            • Author by juliajayne (May 20, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
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              Nobody's from Texas. We all just got here as soon as we could!
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          • Author by captfoster2 (May 20, 2009 6:24 pm ET)
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            [b]"I know he played a Texas resident on TV but I'm not sure that counts."[b]

            So did George W. Bush... we all know how that turned out...
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      • Author by jonwisby (May 20, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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        I was being facetious, please remove thumbs down, unless you understood my attempt at humor and disagree.
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      • Author by JW, Chicago (May 20, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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        LOL. I love it! Imagine, the Norris/Palin Republican ticket.
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    • Author by NAVDOC3rdMAR (May 20, 2009 9:55 am ET)
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      When chuck norris is your spokesman, that sort of says it all. No deep thinker he. Keep up the good work repugs and enjoy your stay in the wilderness. SEMPER FI!
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    • Author by worrierking (May 20, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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      Hey Chuck, "honored to be reconnected to the younger generations"?

      The younger generations you connected with are those who've applied for Social Security in the last five years. These people might be considered young for Republicans but they're still in their sixties.
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      • Author by acemoab (May 20, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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        Although your comment was, perhaps, designed to make us laugh, there is wisdom in it. It really is the old, senile geezers (people my age and older) who are behind much of the racial and sexual bigotry still practiced here. I am so proud of the young people who, despite the fact that the American educational system has been gutted and decimated, have figured out that irrational hatred is useless and outdated. Progress has occurred on many fronts, and it cannot be stopped. Sadly, there is not a light that goes on over anyone’s head that says “You are at the pinnacle of your life.” However, there is no doubt that Chuck Norris’ pinnacle was low, and decades ago. His inherent cruelty and violence is clearly outmoded today, and this is good. His efforts represent a last, dying gasp of foulness that deserves to rot in hell.
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        • Author by worrierking (May 20, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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          I agree. I'm proud of the younger people too. I also wanted to get one last shot in against those damned sixty year olds before I join then in a few short months.
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          • Author by juliajayne (May 20, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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            You may be one hoary SOB, but you're still sexy!
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 20, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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            When's the day, WK? Can we have a cyber Bday party? Can we?
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 20, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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            I'll be there in about 2 1/2 years, not too far behind you.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 20, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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          Norris acts and talks like one who took up martial arts because he wanted to beat people up, not because he wanted to better himself.
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    • Author by wookie (May 20, 2009 11:16 am ET)
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      More of the predictable dishonesty of the religious right. Next they will say that Scotland yard was legalizing prostitution by hunting down Jack the Ripper.
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (May 20, 2009 11:27 am ET)
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      Chuck Norris was originally cast as the main character in 24, but was replaced by the producers when he managed to kill every terrorist and save the day in 12 minutes and 37 seconds.

      All we really need to do is put Chuck in charge. If he doesn't cure the issue, he will kill it.
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      • Author by Floyd (May 21, 2009 9:16 am ET)
           
        That's what Obama does. He can't negotiate with pirates longer than a few hours before he gives the OK to shoot their heads off. At least he isn't cutting the heads off like 'those who liberals support' do.

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        • Author by mary59 (May 21, 2009 8:05 pm ET)
             
          Floyd, been hitting the sauce a bit early this morning, eh?
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        • Author by tman418 (May 21, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
             
          Since when do liberals support cutting off heads or anyone who does? And are you against saving the captain of that ship kidnapped from pirates?
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    • Author by solon (May 20, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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      Chucky CHUCKY. You arent too bright are you? Kathleen Turner says she likes that in a man. Give her a call
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      • Author by worrierking (May 20, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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        Great reference to a great movie.

        "What else do you like? Lazy? Ugly? Horny? I got 'em all."

        "You don't look lazy."

        - Lawrence Kadsdan, "Body Heat"
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    • Author by JW, Chicago (May 20, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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      No way. Chuck is right. I saw a pedophile parking in a handicapped parking spot just the other day.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (May 20, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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      Is it time for a new series of "Chuck Norris facts?"
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      • Author by MickD (May 20, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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        When Dick Cheney can't get to his man-size safe, he hides inside Chuck Norris' beard.
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        • Author by juliajayne (May 20, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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          There's an endangered species of Republicans living in Chuck Norris' beard.
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    • Author by nerzog (May 20, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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      While the bill purports to target crimes of brutality, not speech, once enacted, local justices could expand its interpretive enforcement to encompass a wider meaning than originally conceived.



      Now, there's a convoluted bit of "logic". You could say the same about any law on the books.

      At least Chucky is honest about one thing... the Hate Crimes Legislation does not outlaw ANY kind of speech. That simple fact seems to get lost in all this hysteria from the Right.

      Also, can any Right Wing bedwetter explain how this law is supposed to protect pedophiles, and from what?
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      • Author by dukesr22 (May 20, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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        This bill is guessing what you were thinking before you did a crime. I think any crime should be based on the crime not what we think the criminal had in mind at the time. murder should be tried the same, whether it is a minority killing a white or visa vera. It is still a murder and the murderer should be done away with. period. Also, Chuck is a better rep. than some movie stars that promote Dems.
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        • Author by nerzog (May 20, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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          Ever heard of motive? What a person was thinking before a crime has always been considered, especially when determining the penalty.

          Again, I ask... can you show me the section of the Hate Crimes Legislation that would outlaw any kind of speech?
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        • Author by sikvod00 (May 20, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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          So you're against first degree murder?
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          • Author by sikvod00 (May 20, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
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            Correction: Are you against classifications like first degree murder? If not, then your issue is specifically with hate crimes, not with taking motive into consideration.

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        • Author by nerzog (May 20, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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          It is still a murder and the murderer should be done away with. period


          Well, I tend to agree. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen in murder and assault trials. Occasionally a jury will acquit Bubba of a crime because they don't approve of the victim, and think he had it coming, or one sympathetic redneck can hang a jury, resulting in a mistrial. Or, even worse, a good-ole-boy district attorney could choose not to try the case at all.

          In the past, the Feds had to try such cases under RICO or Civil Rights Law to bring the perpetrator to justice.

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          • Author by jonwisby (May 20, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
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            BRAVO!!!!! Interesting little factoid for you. Mike Tyson was the first man to be convicted of raping a black woman in the state of Indiana.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 20, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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          It is still a murder and the murderer should be done away with. period.
          Zero tolerance = zero thought. Crimes of passion have been part of the law since there has been law. Motive is always considered when the person is charged, and at time of sentencing, if the person is convicted.
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        • Author by solon (May 20, 2009 7:09 pm ET)
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          OK that at least is a logical argument. Some may disagree others not but it IS based on a REAL reading of the bill. Chucky Norris is babbling nonsense
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    • Author by Dem02020 (May 20, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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      Is Chuck Norris even still alive?

      I guess so.

      You know, he could do a remake or another sequel to "Weekend at Bernie's" and he could play the corpse, and he wouldn't need any makeup at all... he wouldn't even need to act.
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      • Author by nerzog (May 20, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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        I think Chucky jumped the shark when he did a movie called Hero and the Terror.

        I understand how bad movies get made, but to have a stupid title as well is inexcusable.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 20, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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          Norris had the title role in that movie.

          No, he wasn't the hero...
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    • Author by BillJ-MN (May 20, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
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      The man is every bit as informed on public policy as he is evolutionary biology.
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    • Author by fantagor (May 21, 2009 2:53 am ET)
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      I see Chuck is still woozy from Bruce Lee's many head kicks. Pedophiles are not gay. They are pedophiles. Rapists/molesters of children. Let's go over the facts slowly, Chuck: two men or two women engaging in consensual sex = gay; a man or woman molesting/raping a child = pedophile. Neither sentence intersects the other with the exception of common pronouns, articles and conjunctions.

      But I shouldn't confuse Chuck with concepts above his level, that of a 10th-degree black belt in ignorance.

      Randy
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    • Author by ufleirx (May 21, 2009 8:56 am ET)
         
      Okay people nothing to see here. Yes, I understand the misleading nature of the article but its Chuck -- are we really bashing Chuck as a news source?

      And this is still my favorite Norrisim --

      "When Chuck Norris falls into water -- Chuck does not get wet. The water gets Chuck Norrised.
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    • Author by jcalton (May 21, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
         
      Republicans are the uncontested majority party for [closet] homosexuality and sexual relationships with minors [and prostitutes]. Apparently they are also now (via Notre Dame) the official Catholic party, which makes them the champions of a criminal conspiracy to commit pedophilia and child abuse.

      I only mention homosexuality and pedophilia together since Norris does, as well. In reality, the two are about as alike as being an animal-lover and being into bestiality. People just don't get that. The pedophilia rate is lower among homosexuals than heterosexuals, incidentally, so really "straights" are worse.
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