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May 21, 2009 2:38 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Newt Gingrich again falsely claimed that Leon Panetta said Nancy Pelosi's allegation that the CIA misled Congress about its use of enhanced interrogation techniques is untrue.

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Referring to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-CA) allegation that the CIA gave her false information about enhanced interrogation techniques in 2002, Fox contributor and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich again falsely claimed, during the May 20 edition of Fox News' Hannity, that CIA director Leon Panetta said in a May 15 statement that Pelosi's allegation is untrue.

On Hannity, Gingrich said, "Leon Panetta, now the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, sent out an email to all of his employees at the Central Intelligence Agency, pointing out very explicitly -- this is a former Democratic congressman -- saying that they did brief in 2002 accurately; saying that it is a falsehood to suggest that the CIA lies to the Congress." In fact, as Media Matters for America has noted, in his May 15 statement, Panetta stated, "Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress" [emphasis added]. He went on to state that "our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully" but that "[u]ltimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions." Indeed, as Politico's White House reporter Josh Gerstein noted in a May 18 post, "Panetta didn't reject or deny ... Pelosi's allegations that she was falsely briefed by the CIA about interrogations. Look carefully at Panetta's statement from Friday, especially the verb tense used. ... Panetta isn't opining on past acts. He's referring to the current policy. He's also not saying it never happens or happened that someone lied to or misled Congress. He's saying the agency as a whole doesn't intend to."

In response to Gingrich's comments, host Sean Hannity said: "I agree wholeheartedly with everything you're saying." Gingrich similarly misstated Panetta's comments during the May 20 edition of ABC's Good Morning America, falsely claiming that Panetta said that the "CIA doesn't" lie.

From Panetta's May 15 statement:

There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of our business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it will be around long after I'm gone. But the political debates about interrogation reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was accused of misleading Congress.

Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.

My advice -- indeed, my direction -- to you is straightforward: ignore the noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be distracted from our job of protecting this country.

We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our task is to tell it like it is -- even if that's not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.

From the May 20 edition of Fox News' Hannity:

HANNITY: And we continue now with former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

Mr. Speaker, as it relates to Nancy Pelosi, you have said she is unworthy to be speaker. You said shame on her. You said she has made America less safe; she has damaged America's safety; she has made America less secure by sending a signal to men and women defending our country that they can't count on their leaders to defend them. And, every day we spend worrying about the political -- that she is being politically persecuted is a day we are made more vulnerable to a nuclear attack on one of our cities.

Well, I really -- explain that in detail, why this is so important and why you have been so outspoken.

GINGRICH: Well, there are two parts to this.

The first is Nancy Pelosi, as a San Francisco congresswoman, can believe anything she wants to. And she can be -- she can represent the kookiest wing of her constituency. And, as a congresswoman, that would be fine. There are 435 members of the House, and we have a fair number at any given time on the right and the left might be a little bit unusual or a little bit out to lunch on certain issues.

But speaker of the House is the only constitutional office in the legislative branch. The speaker is third in line to be president. The speaker has a direct concern for national security. The speaker has to be available to be briefed on any issue that involves this country's future and to be briefed on secrets that are, frankly, pretty darn important.

I thought that, measured as speaker of the House, what Speaker Pelosi did last Thursday was totally unacceptable. And if you watched the press conference, which I think is now available on YouTube, you will see how unacceptable it was.

The first issue was whether or not, in 2002, she was, as the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, being given certain information. She claims she was not given it. Other people claim she was given it. That should be a matter for investigation by the House, as to whether or not she is lying.

But the second thing she did was, in trying to defend herself, she went on to say that the CIA lies all the time to Congress.

That is a terrible falsehood. It is illegal. And, in fact, I was very impressed on Friday when former Democratic congressman, former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, Leon Panetta, now the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, sent out an email to all of his employees at the Central Intelligence Agency, pointing out very explicitly -- this is a former Democratic congressman -- saying that they did brief in 2002 accurately; saying that it is a falsehood to suggest that the CIA lies to the Congress, that that is against the law, and the CIA, as an institution of the United States government, must obey the law.

I felt that, to smear every man and woman in our intelligence service who is out there risking their life trying to defend America from terrorists, trying to defend America from other major powers -- worried about North Korea, worried about Pakistan, worried about Iran -- for those folks to have, as speaker of the House, third in line to be president, somebody who had that level of contempt and that level of dishonesty was simply unacceptable.

HANNITY: I -- I agree wholeheartedly with everything you're saying.

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 21, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
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      "Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress"

      Sounds more like he was APOLOGIZING for past actions rather than refutign Pelosi's claim.
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      • Author by anotheramerican (May 21, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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        "our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully"

        I don't think that is an Apology. It is cya speak for saying Pelosi is a liar. But hey, we all have known that for years. She has put politics ahead of national security and finally is being called on it... Oh wait, I take it back... those truth seeking Democrats voted against finding out the truth...

        What hypocrites.

        As an aside, one has to go back to Dan Quayle to find another public figure who displays the "deer in the headlights" look that Pelosi exhibits everytime she speaks. Maybe it's her contacts or maybe it's her botox?
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (May 21, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
             
          "It is cya speak for saying Pelosi is a liar."

          I took
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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 21, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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          Wow, AA, nice cheap shots.

          Boehner accused the CIA of lying to him and Hoekstra, but that's ok, right? Clearly, Boehner was putting national security ahead of politics there, right?

          http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/john-boehner-admits-cia-lied-pete-hoekstra

          From the transcript on CNN:

          Blitzer: Last year the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, he said this in response to a case that he was watching very closely, an American citizen who was killed in a plane crash, the cover up he alleged involving the CIA, he said these words--"We cannot have an intelligence community that covers up what it does and then lies to Congress". That's what Pete Hoekstra said in 2008.

          Boehner: Pete Hoekstra did say that. And the Inspector General at the CIA did an investigation and it became clear that some CIA operatives did in fact cover this up. This is not, we’re talking about two different issues here. All the facts in this case are on the table and the truth is now known to all of... to everyone.


          BLITZER: So, based on what you know on that case involving Hoekstra, the case he was interested in, do you agree that the CIA then lied to Congress?

          Boehner: I know as much about this case as Pete Hoekstra does and the Inspector General did in fact do an investigation, produced a report and frankly supported, I think, Pete’s claims. And all we're trying to do here in both cases is to get to the bottom, get to the truth, and the truth is what we want here. And the fact is that CIA Director Panetta issued a very strong letter to Speaker Pelosi making it clear that in his opinion they did not mislead her or lie to her. And so I either want to see the documents or I'd like to see the Speaker apologize.

          Why can the Republicans make these charges and not the Dems?

          As an aside, AA, why the botox comment? If you have a point, why cheapen it?
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          • Author by anotheramerican (May 21, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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            One can argue the CIA lies if one wants. If they did, as Hoekstra claims, the truth was rooted out by an investigation.

            Maybe you missed the part that the Democrats shut down just such an investigation into the Pelosi allegations.

            I think your last quoted paragraph backs up my contention.

            As an aside. I didn't think it did. If you'll recall I mentioned her "look" in relation to Quayle. Obviously it was not a partisan shot. Guessing botox over contacts I do believe is the more "expensive" option. :-)
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 21, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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              No, it doesn't. Boehner accused the CIA of lying when it was politically expedient, just like you are accusing Pelosi of doing.

              It is a cheap shot, AA, just because you compared her to Quayle doesn't mean it wasn't. If you had said Quayle was a deer in the headlights because of his surgery or a choice he made, it would have been the same. I don't think you want to go make deer in the headlights claims, do you?
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              • Author by anotheramerican (May 22, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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                fried,
                An investigation by the Inspector General supported Hoeckstra and Boehner's accusations. Why do you ignore that? Why are you so afraid of another investigation that might support Pelosi? I would think those on the left would champion an investigation.

                If she were truthful and had nothing to hide, she'd insist on the investigation herself. How many investigations has she called for regarding the old Bush Administration?

                You can run but you cannot hide. It is clearly a coverup on her part and the Democrats in Congress. It is blind political partisanship, including those here, in defending the indefensible. Either Panetta is lying or Pelosi is lying. Don't you want to find out who is playing politics with national security issues? Democrats who have shown their hypocrisy by blocking an investigation into Pelosi's knowledge of the the EITs used by the Bush Administration.

                Pelosi's denials are laughable.

                Your attempt at deflection by my deer in the headlights comment is just that. You do not give a whit about whether it cheapens any discussion. Her stuttering and different versions of events and evasions and parsing all go into her "look". To complain about this is simply a diversion on your part because you know you cannot defend the Democrat coverup of Pelosi.

                I find it amusing that you never spoke up all of your compatriots vicious ad hominum attacks infantile name calling about Bush and the administration over the years. Talk about countless cheap shots! Again, your silence and those of so many here show the hypocrisy of leftist arguments.
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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 22, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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                  I haven't thrown any ad homenim attacks in, AA and I won't. I want an investigation into the whole story of torture AA, including Pelosi, I never said I didn't. Her denials are not laughable and have been supported by Bob Graham. Let's get to the bottom of the torture debate. If she is found complicit, she should be punished.

                  I just think its hysterical that the Bush administration now supports the CIA after bashing it their entire presidency.

                  As for the deer in the headlights look, no one will ever compare to Bush on 9/11. Ever.
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                  • Author by anotheramerican (May 22, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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                    fried,

                    I didn't say you engaged in ad hominum attcks.

                    We in essence, agree about the whole EIT story.

                    I agree that Bush had the look on 9/11. So are you cheapening the debate by mentioning it or are you attempting another deflection?
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                    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 22, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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                      Nope just noting that you missed an exceptional example. You said Pelosi had the worst deer in the headlights look since Quayle. If you want to take cheap shots, make the right references.
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                      • Author by anotheramerican (May 22, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
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                        Hahaha... I see you are taking the deflection route.

                        Thanks for the discussions. Have a nice weekend.
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            • Author by loonz (May 21, 2009 6:20 pm ET)
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              All of us here want torture investigations. I personally want to see those who wrote memos undermining torture laws and those who authorized torture prosecuted.
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            • Author by creeksneakers2 (May 21, 2009 7:26 pm ET)
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              Why investigate Pelosi? She's not even accused of anything more than indifference. Let's investigate Bush and Cheney and the rest of them. They are the ones who actually carried out the acts. Will the GOP vote for that investigation?

              The truth is not always brought out by an investigation. Previously, the CIA director said Hoekstra was briefed on the destruction of CIA interrogation tapes. Hoekstra denied it. So we had Hoekstra doing exactly the same thing as what all the fuss about Pelosi is about. Was it OK when Hoekstra contradicted the CIA on briefings? What's the difference?

              http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html?_r=2


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            • Author by my4cents (May 21, 2009 8:40 pm ET)
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              After all the Republican talking point induced cheap shots (deer in the headlights, botox etc.) you still expect to be taken seriously?
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (May 21, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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          "It is cya speak for saying Pelosi is a liar."

          I took Panetta's statement just the opposite. It was an obligatory defense of the CIA
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          • Author by anotheramerican (May 21, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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            Uh huh... Yeah.. from a died in the wool Democrat appointee who, having served under and defended wild Bill Clinton, should have circled the wagon in order to diffuse this political hot potato. But he didn't. Heck, he wasn't even "born" when it happened, right? Oops. I mean he wasn't in the CIA when it happened, right?

            However Panetta is smart enough to know not to go down with the Pelosi ship that has more holes than your grandpas underwear. When one of her own team says she quacks like a liar, she's a sitting duck.
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            • Author by loonz (May 21, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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              You actually think Pelosi is going down? Pelosi has been on point but the CIA records have not. They're riddle with errors. And everyone knows that the CIA lies and hides evidence. The policy may have changed under Panetta.
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 21, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
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              First of all, great typo, its dyed in the wool, he's still alive. Second of all, I wouldn't call anyone here "dyed in the wool" politically, AA, if I were you. You have defended Limbaugh's racist attacks on Powell, Limbaugh's attacks on MJ Fox, said you love it when Ann Coulter "skewers" Dems, there is nothing Republican you won't defend from torture to Iraq to eavesdropping.
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              • Author by my4cents (May 21, 2009 9:40 pm ET)
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                I watched Hannity for 3-4 minutes today, from somewhere between 9.10 and 9.20 PM and he had Coulter for his expert guest.

                Neither of them knew what they were talking about, really. Skewer Democrats they did of course. Same deal whenever Newt, or any other Republican is on Hannity.
                It's a lovefest over there on Hannity. No wonder Republicans are on the rise.
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              • Author by anotheramerican (May 22, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
                   
                Hey thanks for the correction. I am dying of embarrassment.

                What is it with the attempted deflections today?

                Who do you think is lying - Pelosi or Panetta?
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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 22, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
                     
                  Don't know, AA, but Panetta wasn't at the meetings. I want a full investigation of the whole torture process beginning to end. If Pelosi could have stopped anything, which I seriously doubt as a member of the minority party at the time, I want her prosecuted.

                  If I had to guess, I would think that Pelosi is telling the truth based on the notes of Bob Graham, but that is my guess. I am all in favor of investigating the EIT program and prosecuting those who broke the law. Did you see Mancow got waterboarded today? It took him 7 seconds to reverse his position on it.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (May 21, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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          (Why are my remarks being posted before I am finished typing?

          "It is cya speak for saying Pelosi is a liar."

          I took Panetta's staement just the opposite. It was an obligatory defense of the CIA which was decimated under Tenet, Cheney and Porter Goss. Many senior analysts reportedly quit in disgust. When Panetta first released the CIA
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (May 21, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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            Aaaaargh...! I give up. Would the moderators kindly delete my truncated comments?
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (May 21, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
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          "briefed truthfully"

          This is a very suspect phraase, both in policts and in the intelligence business. Let's see the transcripts. Let's ask some specific question of these people. "Truthful" means they didn't LIE. It's does not necessarily mean that they did not OMIT. It does not mean that they provided the specifics needed for Speaker Pelosi to have the info she needed to make an informed stance. (You know - as opposed to the wild, paranoid, uniformed stances that conservatves love to take.)

          Could she have known? It's possible. Still haven't seen any actual EVIDENCE though, let a alone PROOF. Could she have done anythign to stop it? Not likely. And she would have lost whjat poer she had in the jingo-faciost enbvironment that your lot fostered in the years following 9/11.

          And you undermine what miniscule credability your have by, again, mocking her appearance. It reveals you to be ignorant. You should watch out for that.
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          • Author by loonz (May 21, 2009 6:28 pm ET)
               
            "Let's ask some specific question of these people. "Truthful" means they didn't LIE. It's does not necessarily mean that they did not OMIT."


            It means someone at the CIA wrote Pelosi was briefed on the waterboarding of terror suspects but Pelosi disputes it. The person who wrote it should be answering questions.
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        • Author by loonz (May 21, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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          "It is cya speak for saying Pelosi is a liar."

          Wrong. Penetta can't make that determination because he wasn't there.
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    • Author by verne73 (May 21, 2009 6:35 pm ET)
         
      How can anyone think that the CIA has NEVER misled or used other verbal tactics that serve to state true things, but not full context?

      We are talking about a "spy" agency. Some of them regularly mislead their own families.

      To imagine every briefing (by definition - an overview, not a minute by minute detailed report) that the CIA has given Congress is pure-as--the-driven-snow Truth.... is to have never seen snow that's been driven over a muddy patch.
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    • Author by pyratepete (May 21, 2009 9:23 pm ET)
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      Have either of these guys realized that they are the only ones demanding her resignation? Who else is out there blathering that she has to quit over this?

      And neither of there guys is any position to make this happen. the Democratic Caucus woud have to boot her out and none of those people are saying anything like she has to go.

      You would think that Newt would want to stop hearing people pointing out that the last Speaker to get fired was.... Newt. And that for blatant hypocrisy for demanding the Bill Clinton get impeached for a sexual affair while Newt himself was doing the same thing.

      They should change the name of their own party to the Hypocrisy and Irony Party. At least then they would be H.I.P
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (May 21, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
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      I remember some harsh words directed by the rightwing towards our intelligence community, including the CIA. Something to do with their assessment that Iran was a looong way from being a nuclear threat.
      Not-so-strangely, no one called for the heads of the critics, or suggested that they should step down from their positions of authority.
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    • Author by latanza (May 22, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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      First let me say that this was a well done and comprehensive interview done by Hannity. There was clarification from the perspective of Newt and without disruption or cut offs. Newt was poised and took the responsibility for his vocalizations as well as his parties agreement with his position. Newt is an insider no doubt.

      Now, the language is of a particular interest. Omitting details does not constitute lying. No one actually lied. The CIA nor MS. Pelosi is my stance on the issue. Ms. Pelosi should have "chosen her words very carefully" as did the CIA. Meanwhile, this is the devil in the details!!!! Follow the language with clarity. Challenge the language people.

      Well done interview, not on the part of Hannity although he did ask the right questions.

      Following up on my research regarding who broke the story of waterboarding....would it be a fact that it came from a mililtary insider? and of all other ways and truth serums that we use to get information, why did we resort to this one? This was the issue that needed exposure. Exposing the degredation and the uneccessary implementation of this brutal torture. I agree with the intent of Ms. Pelosi -she challenge the inhumane behavior and the sadism of the method.
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