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Politico, Wash. Post omit context of Sotomayor remark about "Latina," "white male" judges

May 27, 2009 8:41 am ET

SUMMARY: Discussing the politics surrounding Sonia Sotomayor's Supreme Court nomination, the Politico and The Washington Post omitted the context of her 2001 remark about "Latina" and "white male" judges.

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In May 27 articles about the politics surrounding Judge Sonia Sotomayor's Supreme Court nomination, both the Politico and The Washington Post omitted the context of her 2001 remark that "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." In fact, when Sotomayor made that statement, she was specifically discussing the importance of judicial diversity in determining "race and sex discrimination cases."

Suggesting that Sotomayor's comments contradict President Obama's stated distaste for "identity politics," the Politico reported that, in 2001, Sotomayor said "that 'a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion' than a 'white male' judge." The Post reported that "[l]eading conservatives" are targeting the 2001 speech "in which she said a Latina would often 'reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.' " The Post also reported that "White House officials argued that the comments in the speeches were taken out of context," but did not explain or provide that context.

As Media Matters for America has noted, Fox News host Megyn Kelly, among others, claimed that in that 2001 speech, Sotomayor suggested "that Latina judges are obviously better than white male judges."

In fact, contrary to the suggestion that Sotomayor was commenting on the general judicial ability of Latinas and white men, Sotomayor was talking specifically about "race and sex discrimination cases." From Sotomayor's speech, delivered at the University of California-Berkeley School of Law and published in 2002 in the Berkeley La Raza Law Journal:

In our private conversations, Judge [Miriam] Cedarbaum has pointed out to me that seminal decisions in race and sex discrimination cases have come from Supreme Courts composed exclusively of white males. I agree that this is significant but I also choose to emphasize that the people who argued those cases before the Supreme Court which changed the legal landscape ultimately were largely people of color and women. I recall that Justice Thurgood Marshall, Judge Connie Baker Motley, the first black woman appointed to the federal bench, and others of the NAACP argued Brown v. Board of Education. Similarly, Justice [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg, with other women attorneys, was instrumental in advocating and convincing the Court that equality of work required equality in terms and conditions of employment.

Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice [Sandra Day] O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.

Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice [Benjamin] Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.

However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.

Moreover, as Media Matters has noted, former Bush Justice Department lawyer John Yoo has similarly stressed that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas "is a black man with a much greater range of personal experience than most of the upper-class liberals who take potshots at him" and argued that Thomas' work on the court has been influenced by his understanding of the less fortunate acquired through personal experience.

From the May 27 Politico article:

But the same reason that makes the nomination so politically powerful -- the new president's strengthened connection with Hispanics and women -- also makes it risky in some parts of the country and for some Democrats facing tough elections in 2010. The unmistakable element of raw identity politics is one that Obama explicitly and implicitly disavowed during his campaign for president, and it runs counter to the approach the party has employed in building its House and Senate majorities.

Where Obama during his campaign described "identity politics" as "an enormous distraction," Sotomayor has at times been blunt in her belief in the profound importance of racial identity.

Sotomayor told a California audience in 2001 that "a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion" than a "white male" judge.

"In the campaign, Barack Obama was very careful to avoid identity politics, and that's one reason he won. Now President Obama is playing hardball identity politics," said Alex Castellanos, a Republican political consultant. "The old Democratic Party is making a big comeback -- that's the party of huge reckless irresponsible spending and identity politics."

From the May 27 Washington Post article:

Senate Republicans responded with restraint to the announcement yesterday, and their largely muted statements stood in sharp contrast to the fractious partisanship that has defined court battles in recent decades. Leading conservatives outside the Senate, however, did not hold back, targeting a pair of speeches in which Sotomayor said appellate courts are where "policy is made" and another in which she said a Latina would often "reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

Critics also targeted her support for affirmative action, with Rush Limbaugh calling her a "reverse racist" in his syndicated radio program, citing a case in which she ruled against a group of white firefighters who claimed discrimination in hiring practices.

White House officials argued that the comments in the speeches were taken out of context, and they said that the firefighters case was an example of Sotomayor accepting established precedent, something they said conservatives should applaud. Senate Democrats, meanwhile, who are on the verge of controlling a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority in the Senate, warned Republicans of the dangers of pushing too hard against Obama's first court pick.

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    • Author by achrispage6992 (May 27, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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      The reality that the idiot talking heads on the right fail to recognize the context of this is very telling indeed. It either tells us they are completely ignorant and possibly stupid or it tells us that they understand but would rather skew the debate in a disingenious fashion. I see no other alternatives.

      I happenned to watch Lou Dobbs last night and he had two attorneys on. One explained the context and despite this Dobbs refused to accept the reality. What does he do? Right after the segment he puts up a poll question asking if her comments are racist or not. It's no wonder conservatives routinely attack funding for education. An educated society is their worst enemy.
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      • Author by victorylap1981 (May 27, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        In what way does the context of this speech make the quote any different?
        No matter how you couch that comment it still says that in her mind the rule of law does not exist. What exists instead of an impartial, dispassionate law is a cadre who apply the law based on circumstance. She is making it obvious that justice is not blind instead it takes into account your race, socio-economic status, in infinitum. She wants to make the rules and decide how they apply. If a white male conservative were to make this same remark he would be vilified by the leftist media.
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        • Author by achrispage6992 (May 28, 2009 7:45 am ET)
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          You are completely and utterly wrong. From reading your post it seems you are in the "ignorant" column. Look, read the d@mn speech!!!! The sentence you cling to was part of a discussion about the importance of judicial diversity in determining race and sex discrimination cases.

          If you take the time to read what follows the statement: "Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown"

          you undoubtedly see how you and others are trying to make this something it isn't.
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          • Author by antiliberalism (May 28, 2009 11:46 am ET)
               
            You missed victorylap1981's point. The post you quoted does far more to back up this point than to negate it.

            The law is the law. You either understand it or you do not. To interpret it (or rather, re-interpret it) through personal racial or socio-economic filters is to do it a great disservice. To make these kinds of comments - suggesting life experiences matters one iota to the written law - tells me that she will be an activist judge, which is the last thing we need.

            Judges should make all rulings based strictly on the law, as it is written. If the law is bad or needs to be changed, then the people need to petition their representatives to make it happen. You simply cannot, and should not, make new policy from the bench.

            Personally, I want a SC justice who makes rulings based on the strict meaning of the Constitution, not "interpretations" colored by race, gender, or personal experiences.
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            • Author by Daniel Barber (May 28, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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              Okay, here it is in a nutshell, antiliberalism. And what I'm about to say shreds your argument completely. You see, the LAW is not always clear. The fact you ignore this reality shows what a juvenile mentality you have.

              The simple FACT is, there are many cases that come before a judge on the appellate courts where there is no binding precedent, where there is no binding law. And in these cases I'm sure you wish the justices would all simply throw up their hands and say, "Hey, this isn't my job, go take it to the legislature and let them decide this." Sorry, but that's simply not a realistic view of how to deal with our world. For if all the justices in our land did so in every one of the cases like that, NOTHING would ever get done in this land and our judicial system, which is already bogged down, would come to an absolute grinding halt.

              The simple fact is, judges don't do that, and she was only pointing out that in cases of discrimination based on sex or race, she would be surprised if a Latina woman, with all the richness of her experience wouldn't come to a better conclusion regarding such matters than a white male would more often than not. She recognized that white males are capable of coming to the right conclusion in such matters, but stated the OBVIOUS, that they could never possibly come to the right conclusion more often than not than a Latina woman would in such cases. History has proven this statement as absolutely correct. And you can rail that it's identity politics till you're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that it's reality.

              And you can rail all you want about how she shouldn't be "making policy" on the bench, but the REALITY is that all appellate judges do so when the law is not clear on the issue. If you don't like it, move to some other country, bozo.
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            • Author by solon (May 28, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
                 
              What is it with you concrete simpleminded thinkers? You act like the LAW is a math equation. That there IS no interpretation involved. The constitution was written in broad concepts instead of specific details exactly so it could expand to encompass new realities not thought of in the late 1700's. The constitution itself TASKS the Supreme Court and by extension appeals courts to do EXACTLY what you are claiming they shouldnt do. IF the law were as black and white as your simplistic comment implies we wouldnt even NEED a Supreme Court. Except the law is NOT a math equation there is not ONLY one answer possible in many instances. Such as whether due process demands a suspect be read their rights before being questioned so they KNOW they can remain silent or if the 14th amendment makes sodomy laws in Texas unconstitutional. Conservatives or antiliberals dont seem to have the capacity to understand that everything doesnt fit neatly into the black box or the white box that there ARE grey areas.

              Frankly I dont care if you like it or more accuratly just cant understand it. We do.
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        • Author by PJBurke (May 28, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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          "In what way does the context of this speech make the quote any different?"

          As Louis Armstrong said once of jazz: "If you have to ask... you'll never know."

          The context makes all the difference. It is there for you to read and understand... yet you do not. Instead, you trumpet simplistic silliness and catchphrase slogans, indicating at best a cartoon-level capacity to comprehend the subject matter at hand.
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    • Author by right ON (May 27, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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      This is not a disqualifier for her, and those charging reverse racism are just being ridiculous, but if this were a conservative nominee the left would be going bonkers if he or she had said "I would hope that a wise white male with the richness of his experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn't lived that life."
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      • Author by magnolialover (May 27, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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        If it was in regards to something a white male would know something better than a Latina, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Again, CONTEXT is the key here. She was talking about racial discrimination against minorities, and I would have to think, she might have more experience with something like that.

        Now if a white male said that, he'd have to be talking about say, I don't know, being a CEO, a President, or something of that nature, you know, something of which white males have had a lot of experience with.
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        • Author by right ON (May 27, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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          It only reinforces the identity politics that often fuel liberal logic and their arguments. I don't subscribe to it, it's too much of a generalization.
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      • Author by Old_Benjamin (May 27, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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        Right - except that wouldn't make sense in the CONTEXT of her remarks.
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      • Author by solon (May 27, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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        I hope you are wrong about that. I guarantee you I would not be going bonkers. The statement is clear in its meaning and I both understand it and think it reasonable
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        • Author by right ON (May 27, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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          I agree, it's not racist and reasonable enough, but I just wonder if the shoe were on the other foot if the reaction from the opposition wouldn't be similar, maybe not, I don't know. She seems like a good pick for me, she is similar to Souter it appears. She will be confirmed I believe.
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          • Author by solon (May 27, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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            Yes she does seem similar to Souter. If it were me making the pick I would have gone for a young FIREBREATHING LIBERAL to balance Scalia, Thomas and Alito. At the very least someone like Lawrenece Tribe
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    • Author by victorylap1981 (May 27, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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      In what way does the context of this speech make the quote any different?
      No matter how you couch that comment it still says that in her mind the rule of law does not exist. What exists instead of an impartial, dispassionate law is a cadre who apply the law based on circumstance. She is making it obvious that justice is not blind instead it takes into account your race, socio-economic status, in infinitum. She wants to make the rules and decide how they apply. If a white male conservative were to make this same remark he would be vilified by the leftist media.
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      • Author by solon (May 27, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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        No matter how you couch that comment it still says that in her mind the rule of law does not exist

        That statement is simply inane. No possible reading of her statement could come close to this partisan hysterical spin OF the comment. You act like the law and constitution are a math equation. They ARENT if interpretation were not required then there would be no NEED for the Supreme Court nor higher courts and yet the Constitution itself demands at least an SC. Saying that no race and gender issues bringing experience of BEING a different race and gender can bring a different perspective is purely obvious. I dont know how in the WORLD anyone can deny it. In its entirity the comment was well reasoned and can not possibly justify the rightwing spin
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        • Author by bodhikai (May 28, 2009 2:43 am ET)
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          How is her comment any different from Alito saying (during his confirmation hearings) that his parents' status as immigrants would influence his perception of cases?

          While Sotomayor doesn't discount the fact that many people can reach reasonable legal conclusions on subjects of which they don't have direct knowledge, someone with direct experience may actually be a better judge in that situation.

          Not all law is cut and dried. Take, for example, the case of the little girl who was strip searched in school (for giving someone an aspirin, made to shake out her bra and panties . . .). The only woman on the panel found herself trying to explain to the males that this was hugely embarrassing and intrusive to a young girl. They were laughing it off as no big deal, because they don't have any idea what it's like to be a young girl in puberty and have to take off her clothes in front of strangers.

          It's a violation of her 4th Amendment rights in any event, but they were not in a position to fully understand how much of a violation it was to prove she didn't have something hidden in her BRA. And therefore their conclusions were ill-informed and erroneous, no matter how brilliant they may be as jurists in general.

          The male majority concluded that it is not a violation to force a minor to strip before strangers without a parent's consent. Ginsberg dissented.

          Is it sexist, then, to say she actually made a more reasonable judge in that case? "One would hope that a woman who understands puberty from a young girl's perspective would reach a better conclusion than a white male who does not."

          And what do you know, she did reach a better conclusion.

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          • Author by CountChocul8 (May 28, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
               
            That really speaks to the lack of empathy of the other judges rather than how much better Ginsburg could see the situation. I don't believe that comarative competence is what we should be looking for in a justice, and we should examine them all for the highest judicial knowledge, skills and abilities.
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            • Author by solon (May 28, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
                 
              Not comparative competence. Rather broader perspectives and experiences. I dont see how that can be a bad thing.
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      • Author by jarossiter (May 28, 2009 9:21 am ET)
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        "No matter how you couch that comment it still says that in her mind the rule of law does not exist."

        2 things. It is impossible for a judge to not be influenced by his/her life experiences. They are people after all. If you add the following quote to the equation:

        "Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging."

        does it not explain what she is truly saying. That her experiences as a Latina will help her make better decisions in regards to Sex/Race descrimination. Honestly, what does a white, rich man know about either of these, as he has NO experience concerning them.

        Careful with this whole "Rule of Law / the law is blind" line of argument. It will come back to bite you, when you least expect it.

        Second, I would like to point out that Justice Samual Alito said, "Because when a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant -- and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases -- I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position. "

        How is this any different from what Ms Sotomayor said?
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    • Author by fmbanker87 (May 27, 2009 6:58 pm ET)
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      It's clear she is not prepared to be a supreme court justice, given the fact that she does not care about deciding questions of law, but of political expediency. Moreover, why all this stuff about never having had an hispanic on the court. Cardozo was hispanic, and that was a long time ago.
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      • Author by mrhun007 (May 28, 2009 11:07 am ET)
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        It's clear she is not prepared to be a supreme court justice, given the fact that she does not care about deciding questions of law, but of political expediency. Moreover, why all this stuff about never having had an hispanic on the court. Cardozo was hispanic, and that was a long time ago.

        Psst. Judge Cardozo was not hispanic, he came from Spanish jews who in 1654. His mother's maiden name was Washington.
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      • Author by PJBurke (May 28, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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        "It's clear she is not prepared to be a supreme court justice"

        Clear? Now there's a wildly baseless assertion. Actually, with seventeen years of federal judicial experience -- and two Senate confirmations -- on her resume, she's more prepared than any nominee in probably two generations or so.

        "...given the fact that she does not care about deciding questions of law"

        Fact? That's not a fact, its another wildly baseless assertion. Any fair reading of her cases shows quite the opposite... that's she's quite restrained by law and precedent. The legitimate criticism may be that she has been too restrained and technocratic... even in places where she needn't have been. But there is no case on record -- none -- where your next wildly baseless assertion of "political expediency" can be shown or pointed to.

        Three wildly baseless assertions, dressed up with some ornamental terms of argument do not an argument make.

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      • Author by solon (May 28, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
           
        Sure she, your assertion is ludicrous. Why is it you conservatives think things become true because you say and repeat them. Cardozo's family came from Sephardic Jews. I would call it a stretch to say they were Hispanic
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        • Author by Daniel Barber (May 28, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
             
          In fact, according to an article I read yesterday on the subject there are some even more telling points.

          1. His family were not only Sephardic Jews from the Iberian Peninsula, and not Spaniards from the region, there is ample evidence to suggest they actually came from Portugal.

          2. The modern definition of "Hispanic" doesn't even include Spaniards from Spain, and has never included anyone from Portugal, let alone Jews from Portugal.

          3. Using this moron's definition of a "Hispanic", anyone of say...Japanese descent, whose family happened to emigrate to Spain in the 18th century before say...moving to America, would be considered an "Hispanic". Talk about laughable...lol
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    • Author by hiphip (May 28, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
         
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-donahue/the-story-behind-the-stor_b_208108.html

      this is an interesting account of the politics of the Sotomayer and look back at Clarence Thomas confirmation fight.
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