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Blown circuits: Rove levels attack on Sotomayor based on false claim that she and Alito were colleagues

May 28, 2009 5:33 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Karl Rove claimed that he "got wind of" allegations that Sonia Sotomayor "was combative, opinionated, argumentative" while reviewing the record of her "colleague on the court" Samuel Alito. In fact, Sotomayor served on the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; Alito served on the 3rd Circuit.

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On May 26, Karl Rove claimed that while reviewing Samuel Alito's record for a possible Supreme Court nomination, he "got wind of" allegations that 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Sonia Sotomayor -- who Rove claimed was Alito's "colleague" on the 2nd Circuit -- "was combative, opinionated, argumentative, and as a result, was not able to sort of help create a consensus opinion on important issues." In fact, contrary to Rove's claim that Alito was Sotomayor's "colleague on the [2nd Circuit] court," Alito served on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals -- a fact that seriously undermines Rove's anonymously sourced allegations about Sotomayor's temperament.

On the May 26 edition of Fox News' On the Record, Rove said:

We know from her record on the 2nd Court of Appeals that she's not a particularly effective colleague. I first got wind of this when Sam Alito, who was her colleague on the court while we were reviewing his record, it -- you know, people who were familiar with the workings of the court said that she was combative, opinionated, argumentative, and as a result, was not able to sort of help create a consensus opinion on important issues.

Later in the interview, host Greta Van Susteren asked, "What did Justice Alito say about working with her?" Rove replied:

Well, I'm not going to comment on what he said about her, because I didn't hear him say anything specifically about her, but when I was talking to people about the 2nd Court of Appeals -- for example, look, as you know, justices circulate opinions and -- to their colleagues to get their feedback and to act as, you know, sort of a prompt for discussions when they meet in chambers.

Well -- in conference, excuse me -- what she would do is she would mark them up like she was your English school teacher and -- with your typos and misspellings and other words that she wanted to have changed, and send them back to her colleagues -- not exactly the best way to ingratiate yourself with your colleagues.

Rove's anonymously sourced allegations follow a pattern in which media figures repeat anonymous smears about Sotomayor's temperament and intellect.

From the May 26 edition of Fox News' On the Record with Greta Van Susteren:

VAN SUSTEREN: Not to take away from her accomplishments and not to sort of poison the process, but to what extent the fact that she is Hispanic does this become -- you know, is this a partial political decision or a total political decision?

ROVE: Well, they clearly said that they were sensitive to the criticism that they've received from Hispanic groups for the failure of the Obama administration to make more Latino appointments. So they not only get to put -- appoint a woman, but a Latino woman, and this is obviously a political advantage to them. They've gone out of their way to emphasize that.

What's interesting to me, though, is the question of how effective she's going to be on the Supreme Court. We know that David Souter was a cipher. We know from her record on the 2nd Court of Appeals that she's not a particularly effective colleague. I first got wind of this when Sam Alito, who was her colleague on the court while we were reviewing his record, it -- you know, people who were familiar with the workings of the court said that she was combative, opinionated, argumentative, and as a result, was not able to sort of help create a consensus opinion on important issues.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is it consensus opinion we're looking for or do we want some independent thought? Do we also, I mean, in an ideal situation, do we want -- also want someone who's, you know, strong in his own or his own convictions as how the law should be properly applied?

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VAN SUSTEREN: What did Justice Alito say about working with her?

ROVE: Well, I'm not going to comment on what he said about her, because I didn't hear him say anything specifically about her, but when I was talking to people about the 2nd Court of Appeals -- for example, look, as you know, justices circulate opinions and -- to their colleagues to get their feedback and to act as, you know, sort of a prompt for discussions when they meet in chambers.

Well -- in conference, excuse me -- what she would do is she would mark them up like she was your English school teacher and -- with your typos and misspellings and other words that she wanted to have changed, and send them back to her colleagues -- not exactly the best way to ingratiate yourself with your colleagues. Rather than saying, "Oh, well, I thought you had an interesting legal argument here, and I'd like to talk to you more about this here." She was acting like sort of the schoolmarm.

We've gotten a taste of this in the clips that we've seen, for example, at the Duke Law Conference where she says, we write policy; we're not supposed to say it but we do write law, you know, which is not exactly how the American people view what judges ought to be about. But you get a sense of this sort of brashness that, sometimes, in the close quarters of a conference, can rub other justices the wrong way.

VAN SUSTEREN: You make me nervous about the times I correct people for grammatical errors. I'm not going to do it anymore.

ROVE: Well, you should.

VAN SUSTEREN: I'm going to take that as a --

ROVE: No, no, no, you should. But if they're colleagues, if they're equals, I mean, you've got to be very careful about [unintelligible] getting out your red pen and marking it up like you're their English teacher.

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    • Author by open_mind (May 28, 2009 6:05 pm ET)
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      To be the devil's advocate here, Sotomayor was named by Democrats at that time as an acceptible nominee to avoid a potential filibuster/nuclear option showdown. Maybe the Bush Administration looked into her record and Rove is just conflating some of the events in his mixed up little brain.

      What he said about Sotomayor echoes a lot of what has been claimed by supposed anonymous sources in Johnathan Turley and Jeffrey Rosen's writings and should probably be given the same weight. I think for these claims to be taken seriously, they should not remain anonymous.
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      • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (May 28, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
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        Correct me if I'm wrong. I view "anonymous sources" as cowards and do not take whet they say or write seriously.
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        • Author by open_mind (May 28, 2009 9:37 pm ET)
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          I agree (unless it is in a whistle-blower situation which is not the case here).
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (May 28, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
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          And the anonymous gossips were talking about her clerks, not fellow justices. But who cares what clerks say?

          I want a combative justice, myself. That would be great.
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        • Author by magnolialover (May 29, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
             
          I agree, as long as we're not talking about something that is supposed to be "secret" or that one might not or should not be talking about. That being said, trashing a federal judge because you don't like her should not be anonymous.
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          • Author by fmbanker87 (May 29, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
               
            and then you can kiss your butt and career good bye.
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            • Author by open_mind (May 29, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
                 
              Although that is probably true, granting anonymity to bash someone is probably the bigger of the two evils. I think that is the underlying argument for the 6th Amendment. I know that is not applicable here, but I think it is an example of the American view of fair play.
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              • Author by ravant4 (May 30, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
                   
                The critics can make-up and say whatever they want and attribute it to anonymous sources.
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            • Author by magnolialover (May 29, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
                 
              What career is that?
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      • Author by Dissenting Justice (May 28, 2009 8:50 pm ET)
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        It more than "echoes" it -- he is simply borrowing from Rosen. If Sotomayor could not get consensus with other judges, then her opinions would have tons of dissents. They don't.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (May 29, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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        "I think for these claims to be taken seriously, they should not remain anonymous."

        Which is precisely why Rove would much rather they remain... anonymous.

        Because if his sources were to become public... they would end up being either known purveyors of spreading corporate right-wing BS... or figments of Karl Rove's confused little head.
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    • Author by Buzzramjet (May 28, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
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      It amazes me that ANYONE listens to Herr Rove.

      I mean seriously...why? The guy is a serial liar, and dirty tricks expert. Most people don't know that Rove worked within the Nixon administration in the dirty tricks squad and has done nothing but hone his evil craft.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (May 28, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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        Lord, he's slipping!!

        He's usually a little more capable a liar than this.
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      • Author by phredicles (May 28, 2009 11:47 pm ET)
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        Correction: He's a serial liar, a dirty tricks expert, AND not nearly as smart as he's hyped as being.
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      • Author by Whispers (May 29, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
           
        As a person with German friends, I object to your association of their fine culture with the swine that is Rove.
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      • Author by Brian in FL (May 29, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
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        I agree. How is Rove considered such an expert? Was it his prediction of Republican victories in 2006 and 2008? Was it his masterful conversion of a President with 90+% approval after 9/11 into one of the most hated Presidents in history? Was it that ingenius method of turning a popular political Party with complete power into a party with zero power that only 21% of the population now identifies with? Was it his amazing pick and selling of Harriet Miers for the SCOTUS? Even his record on advising past candidates was very mixed (advised GH Bush in 1980 when he lost to Reagan, advised a Republican candidate for TX Gov in 89-90 who didn't make it out of his primary, advised Dick Thornburgh in his upset Senate loss in 1991, advised GH Bush again during his loss to Bill Clinton, etc.).

        The guy is a one (dirty) trick pony.
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    • Author by wzwriter (May 28, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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      It's getting so easy to prove the wingnuts are lying that it's almost as pathetic as they are.
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    • Author by my4cents (May 28, 2009 9:29 pm ET)
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      If MMFA is doing a good job of identifying Cons and most of the misinformation is coming from Fox News, and occasionally ABC, NBC, CBS, may be there is hope.

      By now, I think even the biggest fans of Fox News know that it is only pretend-news but watch it anyway, for the babes, and what could have been if Cheney was President for 3rd term.
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      • Author by juliajayne (May 28, 2009 11:04 pm ET)
           
        By now, I think even the biggest fans of Fox News know that it is only pretend-news but watch it anyway, for the babes

        Now, now, why would my not so sainted momma be watching all them thar babes, I wonder?! Ah hell, it's as good a reason as any I can think of for why she watches that crapola! But then she also thought OJ was innocent, and that Frank Sinatra really was a member of the mob.........hehe. True!
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        • Author by juliajayne (May 28, 2009 11:10 pm ET)
             
          Hey, maybe she thinks Poppin' came to life as Karl Rove!
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          • Author by juliajayne (May 28, 2009 11:11 pm ET)
               
            oops, S/B Poppin' Fresh..........I ain't drunk, I swear!
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            • Author by eweston8542983 (May 29, 2009 12:46 am ET)
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              Ah yes Poppin'fresh, second cuzin thrice removed of the Pilsbury Dough Boy. The questions of ergot abuse were never truly answered. The whisper campaign that his side of the family came from the wrong side of the south forty. Real base stories about gluton based golems. Just what the nation needs in these times of great dexterity.
              Not as think as you stoned I am.
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              • Author by John Paradox (May 29, 2009 8:40 am ET)
                   
                No, Rove is the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man, as presented in Ghostbusters.
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (May 29, 2009 7:56 am ET)
             
          Frankie wasn't in the Mob?!!!!!!

          Tried to find the SNL skit that PROVED he was in the Mob, but they must have REMOVED it! Which proves he was in the MOB! HA-HA!
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        • Author by snoopy (May 29, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
             
          I hear you can get twice as many dates that way, jj. ;)
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (May 29, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
             
          But then she also thought OJ was innocent, and that Frank Sinatra really was a member of the mob

          Don't make fun of her so quickly. The gloves didn't fit, and he wasn't covered in blood. Nor was his car. And the prosecution told at least two completely incompatible stories about what transpired that night after the murders-- one that he jumped his wall, another that he ran up his driveway.

          And Sinatra-- I guess it depends upon the meaning of "member."
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (May 29, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
               
            p.s.-- oh, and the witnesses who walked by the house at the time of the murders swore nothing was going on, and the ice cream by the bathtub was only partially melted at 4 a.m-- in other words, there was reasonable doubt about OJ being responsible.
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            • Author by juliajayne (May 30, 2009 9:19 am ET)
                 
              It's your cloud. You can believe what you'd like I suppose.
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            • Author by LuvLuLu (May 30, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
                 
              We don't know the exact time of the murders. People walking by, likely right after the murders took place, did have animals that reacted to the crime scene, so you're not telling your readers the truth about that, and the ice cream WAS actually fully melted when the cops got there - one person didn't think it was because they didn't realize it was chocolate chip cookie dough and they were seeing the lumps of cookie dough in the melted ice cream.

              "(Judge Ito) also said the mystery ice cream cup found in Nicole Simpson's house contained Ben & Jerry's chocolate chip cookie dough and that police tests indicated that this ice cream never looks completely melted because of the dough."

              http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/11/court.archive.simpson2/index.html

              You couldn't hardly be more poorly informed, could you?

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          • Author by LuvLuLu (May 30, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
               
            The gloves actually did fit - he made them look like they didn't fit as well as they actually did, they made him wear the plastic bags which compromised the fit, and they also shrunk a little from the wet blood that was on them.

            There was blood in mutiple places in his car.

            You're wrong about the 2 stories about how he got to his house too. I don't understand how people who really know so little about subjects try to act like experts on those same subjects!

            I guess this is another thing that you're just dead wrong about. That seems to be your pattern.
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        • Author by avedon (May 30, 2009 8:39 am ET)
             
          Fox is loud. I think older people watch Fox because they can hear it better.

          This may explain Keith Olbermann's rising popularity - finally, a "liberal" who is LOUD.
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    • Author by Cautious Man (May 28, 2009 10:36 pm ET)
         
      This is shocking!

      Karl Rove is accusing Justice Alito of lying to him about serving with Judge Sotomayor!!!

      After all, Mr. Rove himself would go on television and lie, so clearly it must be Justice Alito who lied to Karl Rove. That's a serious charge, and I'm surprised that a Republican would make it.
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    • Author by Meremark (May 29, 2009 12:52 am ET)
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      Karl Rove: Tird Gossip.
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    • Author by nativeofsf (May 29, 2009 6:42 am ET)
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      Let's get a few things straight: Karl Rove is a liar, a coward and a traitor to America. How anyone listens to this bastard merely demonstrates how gullibly stupid too many Americans have become.
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    • Author by AdalineOrtwo (May 29, 2009 7:23 am ET)
         
      There's only two words I need to sum up Karl Rove's credibility,
      Bush's Brain.

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    • Author by walstib (May 29, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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      Does Fattie really know anything about the Federal Government? It seems everytime he huffs out some words on the subject, they prove to be incorrect.

      Can't we pay someone to pin him down and superglue a big red nose on him already?

      I really want to walk up to him and give him a nice kick in the nads.
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    • Author by dimes (May 29, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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      I have no doubt that Rove's "got wind", but I think it has more to do with his diet than whatever the voices in his head are telling him.
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    • Author by Mike Dixn (May 29, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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      Well, isn't the 2nd circuit courts right next door to the 3rd? I'm sure Alito could hear the screaming and shrieking from his chambers.
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      • Author by solon (May 30, 2009 3:46 am ET)
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        Wow, that post was dumb on so many levels it is almost an artform
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        • Author by mary59 (May 31, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
             
          At least it was sort of original. Perhaps he thought the shrieking voices in his head were real...
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    • Author by kickp (May 29, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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      Now I have proof Carl Rove did not finish college!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      NUFF SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • Author by scanlontodd9871 (May 30, 2009 9:15 am ET)
         
      Rove at it again. Sotomayor was in the 2nd Court of Appeals and Alito was in the 3rd Court. There is no connection there whatso ever. the reason he couldnt say what Alito said is because those two did not work together. All this is a smear because the right does not have anyother reasons to discount his judge. Its like Senator Cornyn of Texas said this has gone to far and it has to stop. He may have said that but I highly doubt he will vote for her though
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