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June 01, 2009 4:28 pm ET

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SUMMARY: The Drudge Report highlighted a New York Post article reporting the taxpayer cost of the Obamas' trip to New York City. But neither noted that such use of taxpayer funds for private travel by the first family is typical.

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On June 1, Internet gossip Matt Drudge linked to a May 31 New York Post article using the headline, "THE $24,000+ DATE...," suggesting that the cost to taxpayers due to the Obamas' May 30 personal visit to New York City is somehow unusual. In the article, the Post reported that "[t]axpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back," adding that "[t]he White House declined to say how much the trip was costing taxpayers." But neither Drudge nor the Post noted that such use of taxpayer funds for private travel by the first family is typical; former President George W. Bush, for example, reportedly used Air Force One for trips to his ranch in Crawford, Texas, which he reportedly visited 77 times over the course of his eight years in office.

As Kenneth T. Walsh noted in a June 1 U.S. News & World Report article about Republican criticism of the Obamas' trip, "For many years, presidents have used government transportation, and spent taxpayers' money, for personal trips." Walsh continued:

George W. Bush, for example, traveled frequently to his Texas ranch for vacations and R&R. Bill Clinton went to Martha's Vineyard for vacations in the summer. George H.W. Bush often traveled to his retreat in Kennebunkport, Maine, for breaks from Washington.

The opposition party sometimes jumps on these trips and argues that the president is being extravagant or sending the wrong signal of self-indulgence to the country. That's what's happening to Obama now.

Similarly, during a discussion of Republican criticism of the Obamas' trip on the June 1 edition of MSNBC Live, Joe Conason, national correspondent for The New York Observer, said of the trip: "[T]his is what the presidency is." He continued: "When the president travels -- as George Bush did, as Bill Clinton did, as presidents have, you know, throughout history -- the government pays to keep them safe, to keep their communication secure. This is just -- this is part of the job."

As Media Matters for America documented, several media outlets and figures advanced false comparisons of the total costs of President Obama's inauguration and Bush's 2005 inauguration, misrepresenting Obama's as more expensive. Those outlets used figures that excluded security, transportation, and other incidental costs to federal, state, and local governments incurred in conjunction with the events in 2005, while including them in the projections for the 2009 event.

Numerous media reports throughout Bush's presidency indicate that he used Air Force One for his vacation trips to his Crawford ranch. The Los Angeles Times' James Gerstenzang reported in an April 28, 2001, article, "For Bush, All Roads Lead to Crawford," that Bush himself said he was about to take Air Force One to his ranch. Gerstenzang reported that Bush said:

"I like to get outside of Washington. I like to go to where the space is open, where I can walk around with Spot and Barney, the two family dogs. My wife loves our country, the country house we've got, and so do I, and so I beg your forgiveness for not eating dinner here tonight. ... I'm fixing to get on Air Force One and take it to Crawford, Texas."

In a December 27, 2001, Fort Lauderdale (Fla.) Sun-Sentinel article (accessed via Nexis), national correspondent Jeff Zeleny reported "[a]fter spending Christmas at the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland, the president and first lady boarded Air Force One to travel to their ranch near the village of Crawford."

An August 4, 2006, report from Bergen County, New Jersey's, The Record, "Bush begins his vacation" (accessed via Nexis), similarly reported that Bush took Air Force One to Texas for his "10-day summer vacation at his Crawford ranch."

And on December 26, 2007, The Associated Press reported that Bush took "Air Force One to fly from his Maryland mountaintop retreat to his Texas ranch here to see in the new year." The AP included a photo with the following caption:

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Photo by AP

President Bush and first lady Laura Bush wave, as they walk with Mrs. Bush's mother Jenna Welch, past Brig. Gen. Margaret H. Woodward, obscured, on their way to board Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Wednesday, enroute to Crawford, Texas.

Other photographs and accompanying captions report that Bush used Air Force One to travel to Crawford. An Agence France-Presse photograph and accompanying caption from The Guardian's website:

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6 August 2002: President Bush tries to persuade his dog Barney to walk up the steps to Air Force One on the tarmac at Andrews air force base, en route to the president's ranch in Crawford

Photograph: Paul J. Richards/AFP

An Associated Press photograph and caption:

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AP Photo 21 months ago

President Bush, second from left, walks with outgoing White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove toward Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, Monday, Aug. 13, 2007. Accompanying them is first lady Laura Bush, left, and Air Force Col. Margaret Woodward. The President was leaving for Crawford, Texas.

From the Drudge Report, archived at 09:41:12 a.m. ET on June 1:

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THE $24,000+ DATE...

From the New York Post's May 31 article, "Obama Keeps His Big Apple Pledge" by Charles Hurt and Stefanie Cohen:

Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas.

Obama's jet, a Gulfstream 500, served as a more modest Air Force One for the day in place of the customary presidential Boeing 747.

The White House declined to say how much the trip was costing taxpayers.

From the 10 a.m. ET hour of MSNBC Live on June 1:

NORAH O'DONNELL (host): Yeah, exactly. You know, the president and Mrs. Obama took some time this weekend to enjoy dinner and a show in New York City. The first couple stopped traffic and turned heads in the Big Apple. And even though they made the trip on a smaller version of Air Force One, Republicans are pouncing -- criticizing, slamming the Obamas for putting on a show and winging it into the city for an evening out while another iconic American company prepares for bankruptcy. Those are the words at the RNC.

With me now live, Joe Conason, national correspondent for The New York Observer. All right, Joe -- cheap shot on the part of the chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele?

CONASON: Well, you know, Norah, you have to wonder whether any of these people got exercised, for example, when President Bush spent something like 40 percent of his time at Camp David, Kennebunkport, and his ranch in Crawford. I don't know how much all of that travel cost the taxpayers, but nobody on the Democratic side said, "Oh, the president shouldn't be doing this" -- even though he was doing this before 9-11, during the war in Iraq.

I mean, this is -- I don't think anybody is really angry about this. I think this is, as you suggested, a cheap shot. And I -- you have to wonder whether the president would rather break a promise to his wife or suffer a cheap shot from the RNC. And I think that's a pretty easy choice, right?

O'DONNELL: Yeah, exactly. I think this man knows when he makes a promise to Michelle Obama, he should not break that promise. It's a good point.

CONASON: Everybody knows what the right thing to do is --

O'DONNELL: Yeah, everybody knows that.

CONASON: -- in those circumstances.

O'DONNELL: Joe, let me put up on the screen some of the instances of what it cost. The travel expense estimate -- $24,000. There were three planes: one for the Obamas, two for staff and reporters -- and, of course, reporters do have to reimburse the government for that expense -- two helicopters, the motorcade into New York City, and dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets were $96 apiece. But Obamas paid for their own dinner and for --

CONASON: Right. Right.

O'DONNELL: -- those tickets. What would be the counter-argument here? Do the Republicans want the Obamas just to stay at home inside the White House --

CONASON: You know --

O'DONNELL: -- and not go out and socialize and, like --

CONASON: As somebody who lives in New York City, I mean, we here would see this as an economic development --

O'DONNELL: Right.

CONASON: -- program by the president. Twenty-four thousand in the scope of the expenses of the presidency isn't really very much. I'm glad he paid for the dinner and the tickets himself, though, because it wouldn't be much of a date if he had, you know, had the taxpayers pay to take out his wife.

So, this is what the presidency is. When the president travels -- as George Bush did, as Bill Clinton did, as presidents have, you know, throughout history -- the government pays to keep them safe, to keep their communication secure. This is just -- this is part of the job.

O'DONNELL: All right, Joe Conason. Great to see you, Joe. Thanks so much for joining us.

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    • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
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      And here we go. Didn't someone predict that this would happen?

      Guess what? When you're prez, you get some perks. Sorry, that's just how it is. Taking a night in the city is still far different from spending the most time on vacation of any President ever in the history of the country (as Bush did, and Reagan before him).
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    • Author by wesley (June 01, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
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      I don't find anything wrong with Pres.Obama's date and the use of taxpayer money on this trip to New York City.

      I do find the criticism shallow and partisan.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (June 01, 2009 5:44 pm ET)
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        I disagree. It was unwise and ill advised. You don't go on an expensive taxpayer-funded weekend date in NYC and then on Monday put GM into formal bankruptcy.

        It's tacky. Somebody was not thinking.
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        • Author by jbrantow (June 01, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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          Tacky? And what would you call GW Bush vacationing on his "ranch" in crawford while Katrina was taking place and bush was showing off his golf swing to reporters. "now watch this swing"-gw bush. GOP hypocrite.
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          • Author by pete592 (June 01, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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            I think you're talking about two different points in Dubya history, but I think your gist is sound.
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          • Author by rhm (June 01, 2009 9:52 pm ET)
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            So what you are saying is what GW did was ok? To suggest it is ok now is to suggest it was ok then. I do not agree. This is time for wisdom and leadership not childish, but he did it, reasoning. Stop spending my hard earned dollars to go to broadway. I'm ok with it going to children, seniors, even to wars it need be, improved healthcare, yes. Broadway? No! Let all of us live within our means.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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              So what you are saying is what GW did was ok?
              Did you even read past the first three words of the post you are hilariously misinterpreting? It says noting even remotely resembling the giant straw man you just bravely demolished.
              This is time for wisdom and leadership not childish,
              I think it's also time for English lessons.
              Let all of us live within our means.
              They did. Stop babbling foolishness and grow up.
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        • Author by pete592 (June 01, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
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          Transportation and security are included when you become president. He's entitled to have an evening away from home just like you are, but his security and staffing needs are far more substantial.
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        • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 01, 2009 9:58 pm ET)
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          It's not "taxpayer[sic] funded".
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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 01, 2009 10:43 pm ET)
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          It's tacky. Somebody was not thinking.

          Carlileb, President Obama is on call, 24/7, and is entitled to take his wife on a date in NY. And I'm sure if you asked Michelle and Barack, they would have preferred to travel to NY alone, minus Secret Service and Air Force One. But Obama IS the President, Air Force One is HIS way to travel and it comes with Secret Service.

          The GM bankruptcy was a well know fact long before the Obama's date night. Saving their date for the following weekend or month would have still had the crazies complaining.

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          • Author by LuvLuLu (June 01, 2009 11:03 pm ET)
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            Carlileb is just a jerk on a regular basis. Obama can't just take off every Saturday night - he has a lot of stuff going on, official business, like a trip to Europe for D-Day events next weekend. The previous weekend it was other obligations.

            He can't be expected to say "oh, it would happen near the bankruptcy of GM, a bankruptcy that has nothing to do with me, I didn't cause it, I am helping them".
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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            minus Secret Service and Air Force One.
            They didn't take AF1, they took Marine One, which is usually a helicopter, but in this case was a Gulfstream jet that uses less fuel than AF1. (By the way, any Marine aircraft carrying the President is automatically called "Marine One." That's why different aircraft can use the name, just not, obviously, at the same time.)
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            • Author by open_mind (June 02, 2009 7:21 pm ET)
                 
              Techincally any fixed wing aircraft carrying the President is automatically called "Air Force One". The Gulfstream jet was technically Air Force One as well while Obama was on it...just not the Air Force One we are all accustomed to seeing the President in.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 02, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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          Your judgement is faulty. You know what I think is "tacky" and shows someone "not thinking"? Letting the entire finacial system collapse due to your religious-like belief in the rationality of the free-market and your childish insistance that "free-market" economics somehow means "leisse-faire" economics. What does this have the do with your post? The was the BANKING COLLAPSE that sent GM into bankrupcy. They were turning the corner and staring to climb out of this hole when the credit crisis hit. Putting them into bankrupcy is not a BAD THING. It will SAVE many times over the number of jobs that will be lost, and the alternative would be the comapny going under - do to the incompetence of the REPUBLICAN run banking commitees, REPUBLICAN dominted fed and their ridiculously short-sighted policies of deregluation, the most galring example being the repeal of the glass-steagall act.

          But yeah... by all means... walk around your glass house naked, thorwing stones at Obama because he took a night out. Which, uh... HELPS THE LOCAL ECONOMY, YOU SCHMUCK!!! I'm sure the waitress got a nice fat tip out of it, but maybe she should lose out just because you feel it's tacky. Real CLASS being shown on YOUR part.
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          • Author by GalaHGL (June 04, 2009 6:03 am ET)
               
            GM was about to turn a corner? I can't let this go even though it's off topic here. We've known GM was going to collapse for at least five years. Please do some research on GM's legacy budget. pensions, retiree health care and the like.
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    • Author by nerzog (June 01, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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      This comes with every President... both parties snipe at the frivolous expenses, but the republicans seem to whine more... maybe because they control talk radio and we hear them more.

      I live in Nashville, Tennessee, and every time Al Gore visited, the local Troglodyte Talk Radio stations would be buzzing for days with callers whining about the traffic tie ups and inconvenience.

      Let's be honest. Whenever the President goes anywhere, it costs a sh*tload of money. That's just the way our system works. How much did it cost for Bush to make his "Selling the Iraq War Tour?" Can we just add it to the total cost of that needless war?
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      • Author by steeve (June 01, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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        "both parties snipe at the frivolous expenses"

        I've never heard a liberal mention the cost of Bush's vacations. I did hear liberals complain that he was on vacation too much, which struck me as strange since any day where Bush failed to damage the country was among the best of his presidency.
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        • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 01, 2009 9:59 pm ET)
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          Bush on vacation = Darth Cheney in charge. 'Nuff said.
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          • Author by steeve (June 02, 2009 8:32 am ET)
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            Bush on vacation = 6 or so top republicans free to execute their wildest screw-the-people fantasies.

            Bush not on vacation = 7 or so top republicans free to execute their wildest screw-the-people fantasies.
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        • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 10:14 pm ET)
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          I agree with you here. I don't mind, or should say, didn't mind paying for Bush's private travel, as others have said, when you become Prez, it's part and parcel of the package. And as someone else said, your security concerns are a little more high level than, well, probably just about everyone else in the world.

          Also, as you said, it wasn't so much about the trips that Bush made, but how MANY of them he made. He was on vacation. A lot. But that's an entirely different kettle of fish than this manufactured outrage.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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            Bush usually included fundraising appearances in his official travel so the taxpayers would have to pay for them, too. Fundraisers are not supposed to be paid for by public funds, but by including them on official business trips they were able to get around that restriction. Cheney did it as well. I don't remember the GOP having conniptions about that.
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    • Author by jbraskin4786 (June 01, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
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      Everyone deserves a night off. Remember when some people thought that President Obama's plate was too full?

      I hope that they had a great time, and hope that they come back here soon.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (June 01, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
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        Couldn't it have waited? Granted the media coverage is a double standard, but Obama should not have vacationed on the eve of the GM shutdown and bankruptcy. Really, really tacky.

        I detest Republicans but Obama's people were not thinking on this one. It leaves him wide open to criticism-- limousine liberal calling for sacrifice and hard times but going on big NY theater dates the night before at taxpayer expense. Very bad.
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        • Author by nerzog (June 01, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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          Well, you have a point; from a PR standpoint, it may have been ill-advised. Even though it really doesn't matter in the bigger picture, they should have known the Troglodytes would make a huge deal out of it.

          These are, after all, the same nitwits who kvetched for six months about Clinton's $200 haircut.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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            Which didn't cost $200, and didn't interfere with a single other flight.
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        • Author by wesley (June 01, 2009 6:48 pm ET)
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          -- Couldn't it have waited? Granted the media coverage is a double standard, but Obama should not have vacationed on the eve of the GM shutdown and bankruptcy. Really, really tacky. -- carlile

          You're right...if Pres.Obama is more concerned about style...if he's concerned about substance...he should just laugh while giving them the one-finger salute.

          I prefer substance and the one-finger wave by Obama.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (June 04, 2009 1:40 am ET)
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        Indeed. When the Prez patronizes a place, be it a show or an eatery, that place gets a HUGH bump in subsequent business. So count this date as part of the stimulus (both economic and conjugal).
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    • Author by nerzog (June 01, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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      How long before the Troglodytes start whining about the cost of Secret Service protection for Obama's children? Can't they just take care of themselves?
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (June 01, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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      George W. Bush's frequent trips to Crawford, Texas, where, if memory serves me correctly, an entire Presidential communications wing was set up, was the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard of the faux outrage over the Obamas New York date. Mr. President, I hope you and the wife had a great time...it's good to get away from the office.
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      • Author by worrierking (June 01, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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        let's not be too harsh on George W. After all if he hadn't been there to cut back all f the brush the town could have been overtaken by the brush.

        The MMFA Net Nanny would not allow me to use the word hard in the above paragraph. I had to substitute "harse" for "hard" because we couldn't have that word preceding the word "on".
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 01, 2009 7:50 pm ET)
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          I think you've pulled that boner before, WK.
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          • Author by worrierking (June 01, 2009 9:21 pm ET)
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            That's been my problem my entire life. But I can't see quitting something that works for me.
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        • Author by solon (June 01, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
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          On a thread a few days ago I tried FIVE TIMES to post to snoopy and Col Sanders encouragement about their layoffs. Without anything I could even imagine being obscene it just flat would not let me. I had to give up. I couldnt find ANYTHING iffy.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 02, 2009 2:02 am ET)
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            Thanks, Solon. Just took a week of saved up PTO, now I'm looking while I use up the rest.The idea of surviving in SoCal on $450 a week is a good motivator. :)
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            • Author by solon (June 02, 2009 4:38 am ET)
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              Boy I guess. Good luck. The two of you are smart and have a lot to offer so I have no doubt you will land on your feet
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 11:57 am ET)
                 
              Keeping fingers crossed for you, Colonel.
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    • Author by jbrantow (June 01, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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      Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

      President Bush recently spent his 879th day at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, since the Supreme Court, in all its great wisdom, elevated him to the presidency.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/11/politics/uwire/main3927378.shtml
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    • Author by rhm (June 01, 2009 9:44 pm ET)
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      What would we say to a corporate executive who's company is in debt by $750 Billion to government. Add to this a executive who is insisting that his supporters pay more for their future cars to reduce carbon emissions. An executive who claims to be leading us to more responsible living. Would you say get on that private jet, go see that broadway show, and by the way it's ok to refuse to share how much this is costing the people who are paying the bill. This trip was made with borrowed money, money I and my children have to repay. Shame is what I say. Go to a show in DC! We'll talk, after the budget is balanced, about trips to Broadway. Now that is what we would say to an executive of a company that comes to Washington to borrow. What do we say to an executive who goes to Beijing to borrow that money?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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        What would we say to a corporate executive who's company is in debt by $750 Billion to government.
        I would say, "Wow, you inherited quite a sh!tstorm from your predecessor, and you're working overtime to fix it, why don't you take a night off and take your wife to dinner and a show?"

        But then, I'm sane, and can recognize a false analogy when someone tries to foist it upon me.
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        • Author by GalaHGL (June 04, 2009 5:46 am ET)
             
          I have never heard an administration or its sycophants cry more than this current lot. Bush is gone and every asinine policy he put forward has not only been continued, but multiplied exponentially by Obama. This country is his now, and now he is running it into the ground as he sees fit. I can't for your taxes to go up Refuter.
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 03, 2009 5:16 am ET)
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        This trip was made with borrowed money, money I and my children have to repay. Shame is what I say.

        I say it's a d*mn shame you didn't speak up when Bush and the Republican controlled Congress spent YOUR children's money, like drunk sailors on leave.

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    • Author by Allegra (June 02, 2009 4:11 am ET)
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      It wouldn't matter WHEN Obama took Michelle out for their date, the rightwingers would scream their faux outrage...they've been whining about any and every move this guy makes from day one, literally. We heard "how dare he spend that kind of money on an inauguration, what an egomaniac, it's tacky in such a terrible economic crisis when people are suffering." Of course they neglected to note that most of the cost was for additional security - needed because of the whack jobs who were so enraged about having a black man elected President.

      It's ironic - for eight years Bush spent money like a drunken sailor, spent half his presidency on vacation and left this country in the toilet, and not a peep from these critics; now Obama, who has to clean up that mess, takes his wife to the Big Apple for a night out and all hell breaks loose. Hypocrites extraordinaire. They'll be pulling this crap for the next eight years.
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    • Author by GalaHGL (June 02, 2009 7:18 am ET)
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      What I think is funny is the number of stories on this site that follow this format: Press reports Liberal X did this, but forget that conservative Y (or in this case W.) did this.
      Don't worry, I have heard and understand the position that radio cons didn't raise a stink about W. doing these things. And that is true. However, I sure would like to see some of that "Change you can beleive in" we've been hearing about. Frankly, its nice to see a good marriage in the first family. Its a nice change from the Clintons. I don't mind the Obamas going out and I'm sure they don't mind some silly criticism of it. I guess my only comment here is that MMFA should try to find less childish ways to argue their points. I happen to like washington politicians taking time off. I wish they would do more of it.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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        I sure would like to see some of that "Change you can beleive (sic) in" we've been hearing about.
        If you can't see it, you must have your official GOP blinders on. I feel sorry for you. Beleive (sic) it or not.
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        • Author by GalaHGL (June 04, 2009 5:40 am ET)
             
          Thankfully I'm not republican. If you can point me to any change that doesn't fly in the face of my conservative values please point it out to me. And please spare me the lies that conservatives are racist, biggots, hate, poor people, et c. Because conservatives only want one thing: Our government to operate within the constitution.
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      • Author by pete592 (June 02, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
           
        What would make MMFA's methodology "less childish"?
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 02, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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          It works like this, Pete;

          Conservative Media Mom: Gee, your child is really overweight, you should do something about that.

          Liberal Mom: Thanks for pointing that out. You know, your child is 6 inches shorter, and 50 pounds heavier, yet you don't mention that.

          Conservative Media Mom: Wow! Is that all you have, "I know you are but what am I?". How childish!
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          • Author by jeff6373 (June 02, 2009 11:49 pm ET)
               
            Nobody cares if the Obama's take a night out but when they spend more in one night for dinner and a show then a huge portion off the population make in a year. Than i do have a problem with it. Obama wants everybody to conserve, whats he doing but taxing us all to death to pay for eveything he proposes.
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 03, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
                 
              Can you give some details on the "taxed to death" part, Jeff? If you're in the small group whose taxes have been raised, you should be doing better than a huge portion of the population.Or are you just making stuff up?
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            • Author by jeff6373 (June 03, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
                 
              how do you think he's going to pay for all the bailout and universal healthcare. Obama wants to tax your health care that you get from your employer as part of your salary. so he can give it to people who refused to buy insurance or people who do nothing to improve their situation so less money in my pocket more in thier's.I work two jobs to get what i want. I have never asked for a handout, ihave always found a way even when ive been between jobs.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 03, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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                You said you're being taxed to death, that's where I wanted some details. You're only giving me speculation and predictions based on what you hear from the conservative media.I was curious about how you're being taxed to death by Obama.
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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 04, 2009 12:42 am ET)
                     
                  That's what I thought.
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                  • Author by jeff6373 (June 04, 2009 1:13 am ET)
                       
                    I have no idea what you do for a living but i work hard for mine as im sure you do, i already pay my fair share of taxes all im saying Obama goes on a date with his wife and the least we know it cost is $24,000.00 if you dont think somethings wrong with that on the taxpayers dime then something is wrong with the way people are seeing things. Whats the most you pay for a dinner and show, oh thats right your not accountable to me joe taxpayer but he is and its my rite to question how he spends taxpayer money.
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                • Author by jeff6373 (June 04, 2009 1:04 am ET)
                     
                  Just wait till these healthcare, running GM now that the government owns 60% of the company they took over and left the people in charge that got Gm in trouble in the first place.Over a 100 billion in bail out money just for GM gee i wonder who pays for that hmmm taxpayers.
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        • Author by GalaHGL (June 04, 2009 5:52 am ET)
             
          Well they can't. But wouldn't be cool if you could refute some of those stories instead of decending into "but he started it" like my five year old does?
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    • Author by fantagor (June 04, 2009 5:02 am ET)
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      Want to know the cost of GWB's presidency? Just add up the monetary and life costs of:

      1. The Iraq War.
      2. 9/11.
      3. The Afghan War.
      4. Katrina.
      5. Two recessions.
      6. Rolling back regulations.
      7. Politicizing the Justice Dept.
      8 And so on.

      And this slime has the GALL to bring up a DATE? May Matt Drudge fry in hell for being such a voluntarily blind jacka$$.

      Randy
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      • Author by GalaHGL (June 04, 2009 5:29 am ET)
           
        Yes add up every thing W. did. then add in in clinton, H.W., reagan, and every other presidentback to washington. Now hold that next to the spending Obama has already approved and the deficits his spending will create. Obama has already out spent all of them put together. There is some change we can beleive in!
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        • Author by jeff6373 (June 04, 2009 9:25 am ET)
             
          It doesnt matter who's in office liberal, conservative this excessive spending has to stop. The elitests in Washington are so out of touch with the real world. They campaign on the same platforms for the last 50 years lots of talk but nothing gets done.
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