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June 02, 2009 9:03 am ET
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SUMMARY: The Washington Post quoted Mitt Romney saying that "the American public" -- not the president -- "ought to own" GM. But the article did not note that the Obama administration has said it has "no desire" to own equity in GM "any longer than necessary," and reportedly plans to sell all of its shares in the company within 12 to 18 months.

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In a June 2 Washington Post article about former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's (R) criticism of President Obama, reporter Chris Cillizza wrote that "Romney was on 'Fox News Sunday' taking issue with the administration's plan to put General Motors into bankruptcy to restructure the company," and then quoted Romney as saying: "We don't want a president and a head of the [United Auto Workers] running General Motors. ... The American public ought to own that enterprise." However, in quoting Romney's criticism, Cillizza did not note that the Obama administration has said it has "no desire" to own equity in GM "any longer than necessary," or that the administration reportedly plans to sell all of its shares in the company within 12 to 18 months.

In a May 30 document outlining the framework for restructuring GM, the Obama administration stated that one of its "core principles" regarding government ownership in private firms -- which "will apply to the U.S. government's equity stake in GM" -- is that it has "no desire to own equity stakes in companies any longer than necessary, and will seek to dispose of its ownership interests as soon as practicable." The White House also stated, "The government will not interfere with or exert control over day-to-day company operations," will "only vote on core governance issues," and will be "extremely disciplined" in how it exercises its shareholder rights. A "senior administration official" reaffirmed the government's position in a May 31 briefing, saying, "GM will emerge as part of the [Section 363 of the bankruptcy code] process; and then the company will continue, as we said, as a private company operating in the for-profit commercial role and so forth. And the government, as we indicated, is a reluctant -- will be a reluctant shareholder for only as long as is necessary, for as long as -- we will be out as soon as is practicable." The official continued: "During that period of time, we imagine that the taxpayers want us to be looking after their money, and so as we indicated, there will be people here watching over that investment, but as I indicated, in the nature of passive shareholders similar to Fidelity or some other large investment firm that has a large stake in a company."

According to a June 2 Los Angeles Times article, "[White House auto adviser Steve] Rattner said GM would emerge from bankruptcy a private company and become public again in 12 to 18 months. The government expects to sell its shares in a series of transactions over time to maximize the return." The article quoted Rattner as saying, "[W]hile we want to exit as soon as possible, we also want to exit as soon as practicable in terms of being good custodians of the taxpayers' money." Similarly, a June 1 Detroit News article reported that "GM will remain privately held for at least six to 18 months," and that "U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Detroit, said Monday it could be 'a few years' before the government sells its entire stake." The article also reported: "The government will have to sell its shares in chunks, likely in at least three separate transactions, Rattner said. Each sale could take at least six months."

From the Washington Post:

Less than 24 hours before hitting Obama on defense and national security, Romney was on "Fox News Sunday" taking issue with the administration's plan to put General Motors into bankruptcy to restructure the company.

"We don't want a president and a head of the [United Auto Workers] running General Motors," Romney said during the appearance. "The American public ought to own that enterprise."

Although Romney is derided by many Democrats, he is one of the most popular figures among the Republican faithful, many of whom believe his work on behalf of Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the GOP presidential nominee last year, proved his mettle.

Republicans also regard Romney as perhaps their most effective economic messenger, able to draw on his success in the private sector in combating Obama.

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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (June 02, 2009 9:07 am ET)
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      Guess Romney doesn't know how to read. Doesn't the US Constitution say something along the lines, that our government is the American people?

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (June 02, 2009 9:21 am ET)
         
      This could be a budget balancing move. GM shares are currently under or at $1.00. If the bankrupcy move works and GM emerges stronger, etc, share prices could move significantly higher, meaning that as the government sheds it's shares, positive $ will flow into the Treasury. Pipe dream? Probably.
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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        Possibly. Even if it goes to say, 2 or 3 dollars per share over the next year to year and a half, we could see positive returns on the shares that we now own. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility, especially if they come out of bankruptcy leaner, and possibly stronger. Time will only tell unfortunately.

        And Romney, well, the American public DOES own the majority share of GM. You don't like how your elected representatives are running the company, elect someone else.
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 11:28 am ET)
             
          Mag, please run out and buy some GM share, I am sure you will be making a great investment. Ha Ha Ha, laughing so hard that I may need to get some tissue. I am sure you have such great investment advice for us all. Sure you think we should buy some Bank of American as well, please what else should we buy.
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      • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
           
        How do you define stronger? No more union? Lower wages, no benefits? Bigger bonuses for executives?

        Anyway.

        Who cares about share prices? Share prices don't have families who are losing their pensions.
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (June 02, 2009 9:40 pm ET)
             
          Stronger as in able to compete in the global marketplace (hopefully, unlike Amtrak and USPS, without government, i.e. taxpayer, subsidies). Oh, and share prices mean something to those invested in the market, including higher education endowment funds, retirees and potential retirees. And share price does reflect at least someone's opinion of the value of the company and its assets.

          Wages and benefits will probably stay up as the UAW owns a substantial portion of the Company. Work rules will probably change, benefits (especially legacy costs) will probably change, bonuses probably will not go up and will certainly for the near term go down or be non-existent. White collar jobs will be lost, along with blue collar jobs (if not in the manufacturing facilities, at least in the supporting sectors).
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          • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2009 10:37 pm ET)
               
            I always forget you're not the typical conservative union hating, big daddy loving gas bag so typical of the right. My fundamental disagreement with placing too much faith in the stock market is that it's not real creation of wealth. It's cheap money that involved no art, craftsmanship or care to produce.

            However, competitiveness in the global economy resides squarely on public investment in education and healthcare (not to mention the development of sustainable energy.) Free us from the chains of those high costs with a sensible public policy and watch entrepreneurship flourish.

            Since you want to talk about share prices too, you'd do well to recognize that GM share values started decreasing, not only because of poor management decisions, but also due to that conservative responsibility-free notion of the market. That, "anything goes" attitude. So yeah, share values matter to the small fraction of Americans who are actively invested and they matter to the unfortunate souls who had their retirements invested for them, but you can thank the conservatives who stripped the market of protections against the capitalist predators for their suffering.
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            • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 11:37 am ET)
                 
              GM lost money because the cost of building a car was so expensive it could not compete in the market place. I cannot wait to see how a Union Chief it going to negotiate a new contract with itself. Now that the Unions own part of the company, how do the say no to higher wages and more healthcare? I think this is going to be the funniest thing to watch. They are going to move all of the manufacturing offshore; hire individuals that are not apart of a Union, then try and sell those cars back here in the U.S. This have been the biggest waste of government money I have ever seen, we spent billions on helping GM just so the could file bankruptcy. GM should have filed Bankruptcy months ago; we would have saved Tax Payer money. I would like to see how that money was spent recently. Do you think we will ever see the balance sheet? Ha ha ha, sure like we will see how stimulus money is being spent.
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    • Author by rrastro (June 02, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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      lets not forget the folks who will have their investment turn to dust so that the union gets its day
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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        Let's also not forget those whose critical thinking abilities have turned to dust, and post lies so that the wingnuts hope to get their day.
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 11:49 am ET)
             
          Hey, it is Mr Pot and his deep thinking. Please enlighten us on the lies!
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      • Author by historygeek001 (June 02, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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        How coherent and logical.
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      • Author by pete592 (June 02, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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        I don't see the union "getting its day" while GM is planning to close more US plants and outsource even more manufacturing to China as part of the restructuring.
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      • Author by solon (June 02, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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        As usual Rrastro wont let reality get in the way of what he WANTS to believe. For the Ebenezer Scroog worshippers of the world workers exist ONLY to make profits for the rich. They should work 16 hrs a day for just enough to buy a crust of bread no health benifits no pensions, workers should have the good grace to commit suicide once they are no longer making money for shareholders so they arent a burden. No vacations no days off. The only thing important is SHAREHOLDERS. What a putz
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      • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
           
        Another conservative lie. As if it's in anyone's interest to run the company into the ground. Idiot.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (June 02, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
         

      Have you read Michael Moore's essay on this matter, titled "Goodbye, GM"?

      You can find it at the Huffington Post and elsewhere I'm sure... it includes within it not only his personal feelings about all that is happening to GM, but also an open letter of sorts, addressed to President Obama, as to what Mr. Moore thinks or hopes or wants to happen next, with GM.

      It's very interesting, I won't go into the details here, and I won't judge the workability of what he suggests, but I will say that Moore's suggestions remind us that this is not only a new beginning at GM (as this whole thing is not the death of GM, just it's metamorphosis), but that the time is now to decide what to do next : the same old thing, or something different?

      Anyway, it's a good read... it's a good read, because it's well written, and it's well written because it's written from the heart : as you cannot miss any of the allusions in the essay, that mark how much that GM has meant, good and bad, to Michael Moore and his friends and family and to all of the many others in Flint Michigan and elsewhere, who have purchased or ridden in a GM automobile, or otherwise rode along with GM.

      The feelings are great in this matter, and they show in Michael Moore's words... read them.
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      • Author by anotheramerican (June 02, 2009 9:38 pm ET)
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        I read it. You must realize he was putting you on.

        Yeah lets impose a gas tax of an additional $2.00 per gallon. Light rail for everyone!

        Lets take a train from Detroit to Chicago that only takes two hours when it only takes 4.5 hours by car. I'm sure by the time you drive from your house to the station, wait for the train, get to the station on the other end and drive to your destination, you'll be up to 4.5 hours. Don't forget the stops along the way or is that not part of the deal?

        Lets take a 17 hour train from LA to NYC. Does MM even know how much that would cost? What about points in between.

        Residents of Japan and France on average ride their bullet trains less than 400 miles a year. Average income people cannot afford to ride them regularly.

        Besides the high costs, these trains do little to relieve congestion. "Not a single high-speed track built to date has had any perceptible impact on the road traffic" in Europe, says Ari Vatanen, a European Parliament member. California predicts its 220-mph trains would take just 3.5% of cars off of roads. California highway traffic grows that much every two years.

        http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/05/a-high-speed-rail-mirage.html

        Yeah. America hater MM who used GM to make his career, glories in the demise of GM and uses every cliche in the book to push his crazy idea instead of looking at the facts.

        I'm sure MM is riding bicycles and trains right now or is this idea just for the "little people"?
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (June 02, 2009 9:43 pm ET)
             
          The last time I saw a photo of MM, I don't think I would want him on a bike in my neighborhood. Looked like a heart attack about to happen.
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        • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
             
          We get it. You would rather stagnate in s contaminated puddle than join the refreshing stream of progress.
          Public transit is the way of the future. It's obvious you've been told to fight the strategic initiative of public transit no matter the environmental benefits and safe, efficient travel it could usher in.

          And since you mentioned France and Germany's Bullet train, why don't you mention also all the wildly successful zero fare public transit in so many European cities?

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          • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 11:48 am ET)
               
            Round, please show us a country that has done more then us in little over 200 years. Hmmm, thanks to our progressive thinking, not being like everyone else, is why this is the greatest country in the world, and is why everyone is trying to live here. I do not want to be like everyone else, I want to be the envy of the world like we used to be, I want to be the country that produces things again, I want to live in a country that does not bow down to others, I want to live in a country that dose not care what others think of us. That is the problem with the left, they look for admiration, and you will never get it, so stop trying. When you are trying to make everyone else happy, you lose focus of what made you great. The more down thumbs I get, the more I know I am right.
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            • Author by roundhouse (June 03, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
                 
              Amazing. You contradict yourself in the middle of your non-sequitur. You say this is the greatest country in the world then in the same breath say we are no longer the envy of the world. That doesn't match up. You also say our problem on the left is we look for admiration, well what is it you are pining for when you say this is the greatest country in the world, that we were once the envy of the world? You are boasting of the admiration the rest of the world has for our way of life.

              How is anyone supposed to take your views of liberalism seriously when you can't remain cogent?

              What the left is looking for in our relationship with rest of the world is cooperation and community. It's time to realize that the planet is just too small to ignore everybody else.
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              • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
                   
                Round, I know it must be hard to be so lost in the world, so below I have offered you the meaning of both Envy, Greatness and Admiration. I laugh, cause you just proved my point about the left, “What the left is looking for in our relationship with rest of the world is cooperation and community. It's time to realize that the planet is just too small to ignore everybody else.” You are looking for Admiration.

                We are the greatest country in the world; we have brought more technology, medical advancement and more freedom to the world then any other. That is what makes us great, and in the past the Envy from others. Recently and more so with our current administration who is pushing socialism, and heavy taxation onto it citizen, we have lost the envy of some, but not all. I have never said anything about wanting admiration, I used the word admiration as something on the left wants and what makes us weak now. Example, Obama is looking for admiration right now from the Mulsim world, why, why does it matter?
                Second, I never said ignore, but if one strives to be the best, others will come to you needing your help or guidance. I know you may have never experience something like this, but when you are the best, other want to follow.

                Enviousness/ Envy; discontent or covetousness with regard to another's advantages, success, possessions, etc. denotes a longing to possess something awarded to or achieved by another.
                Greatness; of extraordinary powers; having unusual merit; very admirable:
                Admiratrion; the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure: a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval. Synonyms: approval; esteem, regard; affection.
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                • Author by roundhouse (June 03, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
                     
                  I suggest you look up the meaning of cooperation and community. You will find that the mutual respect necessary in cooperation need not be born of admiration. You need not admire your neighbor to foster a good community.

                  And to your parsing exercise between admiration and greatness, do people not admire greatness? You are the one stuck on being admired and praised for your country's greatness. Yet you never stop to realize it has been the conservative stripping of the great American values of effective government, broad prosperity, mutual responsibility, smarter defense and better future that has stultified our progress to greatness.


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                  • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
                       
                    I do not care if someone admires me or not! Great American Values are the Consitution, that is what I follow.
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        • Author by Brabantio (June 03, 2009 8:09 am ET)
             
          Have you ever actually driven from Detroit to Chicago? I have, several times. If I get there at two in the afternoon, three-hour traffic jam. 90 or 94, no difference. One in the morning, major backup. 11 o'clock in the morning, same thing. I would gladly pay to avoid the stress and to have a good idea of exactly when I was going to arrive.

          How many stops would you expect? Ann Arbor, Jackson, Kalamazoo maybe?
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          • Author by anotheramerican (June 03, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
               
            Brab,

            I've driven Det-Chi many times myself. You are correct about traffic jams on 94 in Chicago.

            My point is that MM is living in his fantasy world. He only talks about time in transit, not the real time it would take.

            My guess is a train would make all the stops. So lets say someone in Dearborn wants to travel to Chicago. They'd have to drive in, possibly fighting rush hour traffic to get to the downtown station. That alone would add 30 to 45 minutes. What if they have luggage? Will there be Homeland Security check points? You betcha there will. Add another 15 minutes at least. Check in, boarding, luggage all will add time. Then you repeat the steps at every stop. At the other end, you may have to get your luggage, but if not, you will then have to fight that same stress of getting out on 94 to get to your destination. Heck, it takes an hour to drive from downtown to the northern border of the city. If one takes the El, then one would have to wait for the right train, adding minutes, repeat the procedure, and then when finally dropped off, most likely have to have someone pick you up and drive to your destination. If you are in a suburb, that might take another hour. Any net time savings? No way and not to mention having to travel on the governments time table.

            The problem with mass transit is that it is step backwards in time, convenience and logistics. It certainly isn't any cheaper. If I remember correctly NY to Washington is $99. Greyhound is $20. It works in the heavily populated urban areas, but doesn't beyond those areas.
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    • Author by oscar the grouch (June 02, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
         
      Severl months ago, when the Auto Companies started facing this crisis, a few here suggested Bankrupcy was an option that couldn't be overlooked. However, supporters of the President insisted (here, at least) that they were too big to allow to fail. Now, after how many billions of dollars, look at what has happened. Wow!
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      • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2009 9:51 pm ET)
           
        That's how you remember it. We were saying that too many families depend on GM to let them shirk their responsibilities and obligations to their retirees through bankruptcy.
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (June 02, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
             
          And you don't think that will happen with what is happening? Good luck. As noted, there are a lot of components to the problems, so there will be a lot of components to the solution, including some changes in legacy costs.
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          • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2009 10:45 pm ET)
               
            Just sayin' get your facts straight. Our concern was not and is not with the enormity of GM, it is with the working families who will be devastated because of this.

            Just love that conservative view of people as a cost. How wonderfully human of you to see people as an expense to be marginalized. May you never be viewed as an economic burden, OTG.
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            • Author by oscar the grouch (June 02, 2009 11:42 pm ET)
                 
              We'll see what comes out of this, but it is a certainty that things will not be as they were (lifetime employment, benefits, etc). Good or bad, I'm not making a judgement, just seeing things as it appears they will be.

              I will at some time in my life be an economic burden in some form, however with proper preparation, it should be a burden only to those around me and shouldn't be onus.
              Perhaps, if over the past couple or three decades, workers had realized that they would be responsible in some way for their declining years, that part of the problem with the auto industry would be less than it is today. Too many people were brought up with the concept of free lunches (and dinners, etc), that we can live for today because tomorrow will be someone else's responsibility, that we have gotten ourselves into a pickle that is plenty sour.
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              • Author by roundhouse (June 03, 2009 11:37 am ET)
                   
                Are you kidding me?

                "If over the past several decades workers had realized that they would be responsible for their declining years, that part of the auto industry would be less than it is today."

                What kind of condescending vision of the American working man and woman do you hold? Do you really believe that everybody but you are irresponsible children? Really? Nobody is concerned for their future but you? Not to mention you blame the laborer for stagnating wages and rising costs of living, not a broken economy that has progressively, for the last few decades, been rigged to work for the benefit of fewer and fewer elites instead of the real wealth creators; laborers. As if the consistently rising productivity of the American laborer is to blame for off-shoring, out-sourcing and lay-offs that management wields to drive down wages and benefits.
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    • Author by egb (June 02, 2009 9:34 pm ET)
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      Obama made a decision to keep GM headquarters in Detroit
      Obama made a decision to build small cars in a closed plant.
      Sure looks to me like he wants to run a car company.
      Obama made a decision to change the marketing budget for Chrysler.
      Obama fired GM CEO.

      Obama IS running the car companies with a 31 year old
      person with no business experience, no economic education and no legal experience.

      Obama will put another $30 Billion into GM by his own words.
      GM is a full employment effort that will build cars that no one wants.

      Obama has no exit plan for getting out of GM, his "core principles" notwithstanding. He plans for the government to own GM forever, statements to the contrary notwithstanding.

      "I will take public campaign financing."
      "I will not hire lobbists for my adminstration."

      Obama is a socialist. I didn't realize it when I voted, but I do now.
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      • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2009 9:53 pm ET)
           
        Blah, bluh, blah, bluh, blah, blah, blah.

        Where do you guys get this stuff? Hope you don't donate to the rightwing think tank that hatched that rotten egg.
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 03, 2009 9:49 am ET)
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          Where do you guys get this stuff?


          Well if you'd leave the echo chamber every now and again you may find these little tidbits in the state run media...

          Obama forces GM's Wagoner out

          30 billion more of tax payer money to GM

          I could go on but I hope you get the point. This has all been documented and reported over the last month.

          On another note...

          Watched ABC news the other night and they had the requisite sob story of three generations of GM auto workers. They were lamenting the demise of GM and the low wages that the grandson was making in today's dollars.
          Not once did they ever ask the auto workers how they felt about Barry's new re-tooling of GM. Never once were they asked how they voted last Nov.

          I'm guessing when they pulled the lever for hope and change they never thought it would cost them their pensions and jobs.
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          • Author by Craig (June 03, 2009 11:12 am ET)
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            Well I'm guessing they understand that if they had pulled the lever for more of the same that the grandson's problem might not just be low wages, it could be no wages.
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          • Author by roundhouse (June 03, 2009 11:17 am ET)
               
            Right. Obama ruined GM even though GM has, under poor CEOship, been in decline for years and Obama has been president for mere months.

            Specifically, I was talking about the socialist jab and the blame Obama for the failure of an empty conservative philosophy of materialism and consumerism. You guys need to move on. Get past that malarkey, it just makes you look stupid unreasonable and petty. It indicates you're not to be taken seriously and you have no intention of solving problems cooperatively because you have no ideas, just epithets.
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            • Author by anotheramerican (June 03, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
                 
              Round,
              Perhaps you can go a little deeper than spouting off left wing talking points?

              Just what, in your opinion, is the conservative philosophy of materialism and consumerism? Are you advocating something else? If so what philosophies are those? What ideas do you have for solving problems cooperatively?

              I'm puzzled by your last sentence. What are those 'epithets'?

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 03, 2009 9:55 am ET)
         
      "The American public ought to own that enterprise."

      The AMERICAN PUBLIC DOES own that enterprise now, you moron! That's not OBAMA's personal stock, you know! If "the government" owns it, well... that's as PUBLIC as it gets!

      I know, I know... I'm palying fast and loose with public-owned, private-owned and public-traded. But these guys wouldn't know a nationalized industry if it liquidated their stock.
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    • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 11:23 am ET)
         
      Just all you smart guys around here, how long do you think Obama will own GM? 6 months? 1 Year?, 4 Years? I just think it is funny Obama does not want to own GM, but he sure has told GM what to do.
      Really you know Obama has such a track record of telling the truth.
      I will close Gitmo, oh wait I stuck my foot in my mouth too fast on that one.
      I will not hire lobbyist, well not really
      I will give 95% of Americans a tax break, opps, no really I am going to tax you even more.
      My stimulas package will hire million of individuals, of course that is after I let 4 million plus lose their jobs in the auto industry.
      I will post all bills on line for several days before signing, opps, no I want
      I will have a website that will show how the stimulus money is being spent. Wait, not till next year.
      I will have a transparent government, opps, no I will do what I want and not tell you.
      I will not be like the Washington of Old, wait yes I will, since I am only hiring folks that have been around here for a while.
      Yea, like I am going to believe Obama at what he says about GM, I have not seen his word worth much, but sure you all will continue to following this man around.

      I mean when Chavez says Obama is more left then him, wow, you all must be so proud.
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      • Author by roundhouse (June 03, 2009 11:52 am ET)
           
        And despite your hot air, more and more people agree with the values and philosophy of the left. Moreover, Obama retains high approval among swing voters, Democrats and Republicans alike. Your party (if you still have the nerve to lay claim to the Republican Party) is in a shambles. You have no ideas. You're out of them, so you merely stay in attack position.
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
             
          No Round your are wrong. The truth is Obama as a person has a high approval rating, but his polices do not. The problem with the Republicans is individuals like McCain, he tried to get the admiration (please see above definition) and that made him weak and someone others did not want to follow. He did everything he could to be inclusive and lost, and proves why C. Powel is wrong as well. If inclusiveness works then we would have won. McCain was weak and when he exclude the base and went to gain the admiration and votes of independents and swing voters he lost. . The Republicans will win again when we have a great leader, when you are a great (see definition above) leader, others will follow.
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          • Author by roundhouse (June 03, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
               
            Oh goody. I hope you can convince your Party to remain an exclusive, un-admired Party of rich white dudes. How inspiring!
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            • Author by anotheramerican (June 03, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
                 
              Are you saying that all 59 million people who voted for McCain in the last election are rich white dudes?

              What flavor are you drinking today? :-)
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            • Author by markbfoot199 (June 03, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
                 
              Round, What is your problem with Rich individuals? What do you consider Rich? White Individuals? Sounds like to me your a racist since you have issues with Whites.
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              • Author by roundhouse (June 03, 2009 8:05 pm ET)
                   
                you're the one complaining about inclusiveness/diversity being the right's downfall, and you call me the racist.

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