Gingrich smear: Sotomayor made decision in Ricci "for clearly racial quota reasons"
SUMMARY: Newt Gingrich claimed that Sonia Sotomayor "accepted the fact that, for clearly racial quota reasons," the white firefighters plaintiffs in the Ricci v. DeStefano case "shouldn't be promoted." In fact, the 2nd Circuit opinion Sotomayor joined stated that precedent -- not "racial quota reasons" -- led the court to rule as it did.
On the June 7 edition of CBS' Face the Nation, Fox News contributor and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R-GA) claimed that, in affirming the city of New Haven's decision to throw out test results that would have resulted in the promotion of several white firefighters in Ricci v. DeStefano, Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor "accepted the fact that, for clearly racial quota reasons, they shouldn't be promoted." While host Harry Smith responded, "some people would say, well, that's the appellate court's job is to -- you either say yea or nay, and some people would say that was the appropriate response to that lower court," neither Gingrich nor Smith noted that the opinion Sotomayor joined in Ricci said that U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals precedent -- not "racial quota reasons" -- led the court to rule as it did.
Indeed, the opinion, written by Judge Barrington Parker -- who was appointed to the 2nd Circuit by former President George W. Bush -- and joined by Sotomayor and three other judges, also explicitly stated that the plaintiffs produced no evidence of "the imposition of a quota" in the case. From Parker's opinion:
The district court correctly observed that this case was unusual. Nonetheless, the district court also recognized that there was controlling authority in our decisions -- among them, Hayden v. County of Nassau, 180 F.3d 42 (2d Cir. 1999) and Bushey v. N.Y. State Civil Serv. Comm'n, 733 F.2d 220 (2d Cir. 1984), cert. denied, 469 U.S. 1117 (1985). These cases clearly establish for the circuit that a public employer, faced with a prima facie case of disparate-impact liability under Title VII, does not violate Title VII or the Equal Protection Clause by taking facially neutral, albeit race-conscious, actions to avoid liability.
Insofar as the dissent suggests that the plaintiffs produced evidence of a racial classification or the imposition of a quota, I think it is entirely mistaken.
Supreme Court Justice David Souter -- whom Sotomayor would replace -- made clear what he said was the bind the city of New Haven found itself in, identifying its "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation" in its efforts to comply with Title VII's prohibitions on employment discrimination.
As Media Matters For America has noted, in a June 2 column, MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan asserted: "Like [former assistant attorney general nominee] Lani Guinier ... [Supreme Court nominee Sonia] Sotomayor is a quota queen. She believes in, preaches and practices race-based justice. Her burying the appeal of the white New Haven firefighters, who were denied promotions they had won in competitive exams, was a no-brainer for her."
From the June 7 edition of CBS' Face the Nation:
HARRY SMITH (host): All right, well, let me jump to this, then. Is this a fight the Republicans should take and take all the way to the walls?
GINGRICH: This is -- this is a solemn obligation of 100 senators in both parties to render judgment on whether a lifetime appointment to be one of the nine people who interprets the Constitution should go to this person. I think the -- it's not a yes or no in terms of picking a fight. It's -- you have to decide -- on the Ricci case, for example, where people who had taken a year of their life --
SMITH: This is the New Haven firemen's case, right.
GINGRICH: The New Haven firemen, who did everything according to the rules --
SMITH: Mm-hmm.
GINGRICH: -- and then she accepted the fact that, for clearly racial quota reasons, they shouldn't be promoted.
SMITH: Well, and some people would say, well, that's the appellate court's job is to -- you either say yea or nay, and some people would say that was the appropriate response to that lower court.
GINGRICH: And I think that's an important national debate.















Never mind Gingrich. Sotomayor contends that New Haven didn't make a decision based on race because their decision didn't "violate title VII or the Equal Protection Clause because they made a facially neutral, albeit race conscience action to avoid liability" (from above article).
Let me attempt to tranlate: They donn't want to be racist, they just are. Ok I'm fine with that (sarcasm). Good luck to New Haven with fire-fighters who can't pass their fire-fighters exam.
You see, that is a fundemental problem with liberalism. You think we don't care about your social concerns but you're dead wrong. We take care of that sort of thing at a local level. One of the fundemental principles of federalism is mobility. Mobility refers to a group of people able to govern themselves as they see fit. If some one doesn't agree with the way a neighborhood, city, or state is run, they can move to an area with ideals more in line with their own.
The purpose of the X Amendment is to protect individual liberty against a strenghening federal government. This amendment is one of the greatest hurdles of libralism. It denies the federal government any power not specifically enumerated in The Constitution, while allowing all other power, unless specifically denied by The Constitution, to the states, or the people.
As a conservative I believe that socialism works in small doses. We believe that fire and police, education et c. should be funded at a local level. Washington doesn't know or care about the concerns of my neighborhood and I don't want them to. Socialism is allowed up to the state level in this country, though it doesn't work in any setting larger than a smaller city or large neighborhood. One of the disadvantages of a powerful central government is that it eliminates competition between different cities and states that try to attract people and businesses to grow their economy. Once government has stifled competion by nationalizing someting, i.e. education. then mobility, an important principle of federalism, becomes impractical.
So please all of you liberals, run for mayor, run for
city council or school board. You and your ideals will be more than welcome there. But please stay out of our U.S. Constitution. You don't understand it or the reasons it was written.
This sentence says it all. -Clause by taking facially neutral, albeit race-conscious, actions to avoid liability-
You can rationalize it away, but, due to race, they ruled the way they did, in order to avoid liability. The reasoning is moot. And you mention it wasn't a quota, but precedent that led her to rule the way she did. Ok, what was that precedent? Fear of being sued because ad=frican americans were not promoted like the hispanics and caucasians, EVEN THOUGH THEY SCORED POORLY ON THE TEST. This is ruling though fear of being labeled racist. I cannot imagine you are unable to acknowledge this. I am confident your beliefs are cloudy your ability to make enutral decisions. And by the way, "race conscious". . . come on.
He's trying to use the subject against Sonia Sotomayor, but as for his own record:
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EDITORIAL
LOS ANGELES TIMES
TUESDAY, AUGUST 8, 1995
Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R-Kan.), once a staunch supporter of affirmative action, continues to press legislation that would end all consideration of race or gender in awarding federal contracts. The cur rent law, contrary to popular perception, already outlaws quotas except in rare cases in which the courts have mandated one specifically to remedy proven discrimination.
Gingrich was expected to take a route in the House similar to Dole's in the Senate, but he now says he will not. He explained why on the Monday telecast of NBC's "Today" show. He spoke of what he had learned about this controversial subject in the last six months. Gingrich now acknowledges " ... the legitimate fear of African Americans who look back only 30 years ago to segregation, to state police who were beating people like John Lewis [then a young civil rights leader, now a Democratic House member from Georgia], and you can sense the legitimate, genuine fear we could slide back into that kind of environment."
http://aad.english.ucsb.edu/docs/gingrich.integ.html
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Segregation was once precedent, it was wisely overturned.
Here is something to consider...http://www.michaelcarroll.com/2009/04/diversity-trumps-ability.html
It seems to me you confuse equal outcome with equal rights.
It looks to me like legal mumbo-jumbo to say that the people denied the promotion were not harmed. You might as well say that anyone who is not granted a promotion or pay raise due to racism and/or sexism also is not harmed.
I recognize that is what the DC ruled, but it doesn't pass the laugh test. No matter what your race is, how would you feel if you were denied a promotion because not enough people of another color did well enough on the test?
I think Gingrich framed the issue correctly.
I understand the history of the laws and why they were passed. But even the best intentioned law, if it is unconstitutional, is bad law. Many civil rights laws are well intentioned, but in practice actually do the opposite of what they are intended. "Affirmative Action" laws shows us in this case that following that law is to be racially discriminatory against these whites who should have been promoted.
Yes, the courts follow the law. However in this case, as proven out by the SC, there are factors in the law which needed to be explored. The AC (and Sotomayor,) made a mistake in not looking at the case as clearly written by the dissenting judge's opinion. The argument against her, because she is to be considered for the SC, is whether her insistence on diversity in this case trumps the even more fundamental right of non discrimination based on color.
We both believe Jim Crow should have been abolished. However Jim Crow is now 40-50 years past. It is immaterial to the case.
That is the foundation for your position?
"What do you mean we have to recall vehicles because they're exploding in rear-end collisions? We have engineers who use tests and procedures in order to prevent that sort of thing. The idea that they didn't perform their jobs adequately is laughable."
Any other examples spring to mind? The Titanic, maybe? All airplane crashes due to pilot error? The Space Shuttle Challenger?
You are the first one I have seen arguing that the test itself taken by the firefighters included a bias against minorities. In all I've read no pundit or analysis has made such a claim. In fact the city of New Haven hired an outside firm to create a job related test so there would be no hint of bias. Did you forget that or are you just purposely ignoring it?
If you have any example to prove your point that the test was biased, that would be great.
You haven't seen the test. Your opinion, therefore, is worthless.
Maybe it's just me, but since I don't believe that people of other races are inferior, I would be very curious as to why that discrepancy occurred.
Isn't there going to be another test at some point in this scenario anyway? If you deserved the promotion, then you shouldn't have any concerns about passing the revised test. The only basis for complaint is if you think some of the minorities were discriminated against unfairly and the new test is going to bump you off of the list.
However your argument reminds me of the kid who loses a bet and quickly says, "two out of three"? The problem with taking another test is that those who didn't pass might indeed study more and end up with higher scores, denying one or more who already passed the chance for the promotion.
It is inherently unfair to those who passed to have to retake the test just because the city did not like the racial makeup of those passing the test.
If judicial activism as defined by the political right as "making law from the bench," then the Sotomayor concurrence with the lower court, which upheld the city of New Haven's policy is far from "judicial activism" (as defined by the right.
Of course, the utility of this concept must be realized in the U.S. Supreme Court's invasion into the State of Florida's 2000 electoral process/decision.
A look at the U.S. Constitution confers electoral perogatives to the states under the Reserved Powers found in the X Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the states respectively, OR THE PEOPLE.")
A clear act of "judicial activism" and not a peep from the right-wing.
And oh, by the way, the correct term and opposite of "strict construction" or literal interpretation of the words written in the document is not judicial activism, the correct term is "loose or broad construction" where construction refers to the manner in which the language of the Constitution may be interpreted.
It pains me that our media fails to be instructive where it is most important to so be.
Why do you believe the SC "invaded" the State of Florida's 2000 electoral process? Are you saying the rulings of the Florida SC were could not have been appealed?
Could it be that you just didn't like the outcome? Had the SC upheld the Florida SC would you still be saying they "invaded" the process/decision?
Do you not agree that the contested election and the methods used to argue the outcome were of national interest, both now and the future? Were there not some basic constitutional principles involved?
I think you are only presenting your argument because you did not like the outcome.
On the whole, I do believe it is a moot point. Hasn't it been established that Gore would have still lost using the counting method argued in the appeal?
Your kidding right?
You asked attentive1 "Why do you believe the SC "invaded" the State of Florida's 2000 electoral process? Are you saying the rulings of the Florida SC were could not have been appealed?"
Something you and all other right-wingers always seem to conveniently forget is that up until the Florida SC decided that the recount must go on... the Republicans (lead by Karl Rove, Newt, Bush, etc, and basically all the various mouth pieces of the right)... states rights were first and foremost!!
That the federal level should stay out of the business of the states doing what it felt was best for its own people.
But oh so shockingly... the conservative movement went ape-poop that the state of Florida's SC decided what was best for the people of Florida!
Each state has its own set of electoral rules... just read the Constitution... it clearly states that states have this right...
But since that decision would have very likely lead to a Gore presidency ... oh no... can't have that. That a few justices of SC of the US had been well known in their defense of states rights suddenly found it proper to supersede a state's rights!
Medicinal ciga-weed (California) and the right to die (Oregon) are two more issues that the Republicans have found themselves sticking their nose where it did not belong.
Whether I or attentive1 'liked' the outcome is not even relevant! The Republican lead SC of the US undermined the rights of a states simply because that state did something THEY considered worthy of dispute, which it was not!
Do you think that violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment is within States rights?
And, again, have you found any other SC decisions in the past 50 years that are not to be used for precedent to back up these claims by you (which you said you did not make):
From:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200905010029
"by Brabantio (May 01, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
Bush vs. Gore stated that the decision shouldn't be used as precedent. If there was a sound basis for the ruling, then there shouldn't be any problem with using the same reasoning in the future. The only way it makes sense is if they knew they were making a purely political decision and they didn't want to justify the same sort of decision benefitting a Democrat at any point in the future."
"by anotheramerican (May 01, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
Brab,
I do believe the Court rules this way fairly regurlarly."
Please come up with one.