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Gingrich smear: Sotomayor made decision in Ricci "for clearly racial quota reasons"

June 07, 2009 2:01 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Newt Gingrich claimed that Sonia Sotomayor "accepted the fact that, for clearly racial quota reasons," the white firefighters plaintiffs in the Ricci v. DeStefano case "shouldn't be promoted." In fact, the 2nd Circuit opinion Sotomayor joined stated that precedent -- not "racial quota reasons" -- led the court to rule as it did.

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On the June 7 edition of CBS' Face the Nation, Fox News contributor and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R-GA) claimed that, in affirming the city of New Haven's decision to throw out test results that would have resulted in the promotion of several white firefighters in Ricci v. DeStefano, Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor "accepted the fact that, for clearly racial quota reasons, they shouldn't be promoted." While host Harry Smith responded, "some people would say, well, that's the appellate court's job is to -- you either say yea or nay, and some people would say that was the appropriate response to that lower court," neither Gingrich nor Smith noted that the opinion Sotomayor joined in Ricci said that U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals precedent -- not "racial quota reasons" -- led the court to rule as it did.

Indeed, the opinion, written by Judge Barrington Parker -- who was appointed to the 2nd Circuit by former President George W. Bush -- and joined by Sotomayor and three other judges, also explicitly stated that the plaintiffs produced no evidence of "the imposition of a quota" in the case. From Parker's opinion:

The district court correctly observed that this case was unusual. Nonetheless, the district court also recognized that there was controlling authority in our decisions -- among them, Hayden v. County of Nassau, 180 F.3d 42 (2d Cir. 1999) and Bushey v. N.Y. State Civil Serv. Comm'n, 733 F.2d 220 (2d Cir. 1984), cert. denied, 469 U.S. 1117 (1985). These cases clearly establish for the circuit that a public employer, faced with a prima facie case of disparate-impact liability under Title VII, does not violate Title VII or the Equal Protection Clause by taking facially neutral, albeit race-conscious, actions to avoid liability.

Insofar as the dissent suggests that the plaintiffs produced evidence of a racial classification or the imposition of a quota, I think it is entirely mistaken.

Supreme Court Justice David Souter -- whom Sotomayor would replace -- made clear what he said was the bind the city of New Haven found itself in, identifying its "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation" in its efforts to comply with Title VII's prohibitions on employment discrimination.

As Media Matters For America has noted, in a June 2 column, MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan asserted: "Like [former assistant attorney general nominee] Lani Guinier ... [Supreme Court nominee Sonia] Sotomayor is a quota queen. She believes in, preaches and practices race-based justice. Her burying the appeal of the white New Haven firefighters, who were denied promotions they had won in competitive exams, was a no-brainer for her."

From the June 7 edition of CBS' Face the Nation:

HARRY SMITH (host): All right, well, let me jump to this, then. Is this a fight the Republicans should take and take all the way to the walls?

GINGRICH: This is -- this is a solemn obligation of 100 senators in both parties to render judgment on whether a lifetime appointment to be one of the nine people who interprets the Constitution should go to this person. I think the -- it's not a yes or no in terms of picking a fight. It's -- you have to decide -- on the Ricci case, for example, where people who had taken a year of their life --

SMITH: This is the New Haven firemen's case, right.

GINGRICH: The New Haven firemen, who did everything according to the rules --

SMITH: Mm-hmm.

GINGRICH: -- and then she accepted the fact that, for clearly racial quota reasons, they shouldn't be promoted.

SMITH: Well, and some people would say, well, that's the appellate court's job is to -- you either say yea or nay, and some people would say that was the appropriate response to that lower court.

GINGRICH: And I think that's an important national debate.

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    • Author by aviatorjoe (June 07, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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      Media Matters is a joke. The FACT is, the city counted the number of blacks who qualified and compared that to the number of whites who qualified. After looking at the numbers the city said too few blacks qualified and thus set aside the vacancies until a statistically sufficient number of blacks could qualify for the jobs. If you cannot see that this is a raw racial quota then you are a complete, and unmitigated, moron. And so what if liberal activist judges approved of by pretending it was something else? Liberal activists engage in such sophistry all the time. But they fool no one with half a brain.
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      • Author by Victor Colorado (June 08, 2009 11:06 am ET)
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        FACT: Gingrich is accountable to no one and his opinions are worthless.
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        • Author by highliter (June 08, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
             
          Actually that would be and opinion I know I know it’s hard for you to keep facts separate from opinions.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (June 08, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
             
          And why is this guy on the teevee anymore? Why are his opinions relevent? What has he done in the past 8 years, write a couple books?
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      • Author by solon (June 08, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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        Your ability to read and understand is a joke. Why do you cons keep pretending she didnt just follow the law when none of you can even make the argument that wasnt what happened?
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      • Author by historygeek001 (June 08, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
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        Just so you know, ridiculous, uninformed ranting like that doesn't prove anything other than that you don't know what you're talking about.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 07, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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      Is Gingrich on all the TV shows in order to fulfill some sort of liars' quota?
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      • Author by spooky3 (June 07, 2009 8:29 pm ET)
           
        LOL!
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      • Author by GalaHGL (June 08, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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        How does that response refute anything?

        Never mind Gingrich. Sotomayor contends that New Haven didn't make a decision based on race because their decision didn't "violate title VII or the Equal Protection Clause because they made a facially neutral, albeit race conscience action to avoid liability" (from above article).

        Let me attempt to tranlate: They donn't want to be racist, they just are. Ok I'm fine with that (sarcasm). Good luck to New Haven with fire-fighters who can't pass their fire-fighters exam.
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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (June 08, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
             
          I certainly hope the firefighter captains that come to put out the fire at my house have passed the test.
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          • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 08, 2009 8:05 pm ET)
               
            I hope they don't come out to your house. After all, you are probably against socialized firefighting and socialized police. You should hire your own private fire brigade.
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            • Author by GalaHGL (June 09, 2009 6:15 am ET)
                 
              I don't have a problem with a little local socialism, since, in accordance with the constitution X Amendment, the right to fund a fire department has not been usurped by the federal government, but has been reserved for the states, or the people.

              You see, that is a fundemental problem with liberalism. You think we don't care about your social concerns but you're dead wrong. We take care of that sort of thing at a local level. One of the fundemental principles of federalism is mobility. Mobility refers to a group of people able to govern themselves as they see fit. If some one doesn't agree with the way a neighborhood, city, or state is run, they can move to an area with ideals more in line with their own.
              The purpose of the X Amendment is to protect individual liberty against a strenghening federal government. This amendment is one of the greatest hurdles of libralism. It denies the federal government any power not specifically enumerated in The Constitution, while allowing all other power, unless specifically denied by The Constitution, to the states, or the people.
              As a conservative I believe that socialism works in small doses. We believe that fire and police, education et c. should be funded at a local level. Washington doesn't know or care about the concerns of my neighborhood and I don't want them to. Socialism is allowed up to the state level in this country, though it doesn't work in any setting larger than a smaller city or large neighborhood. One of the disadvantages of a powerful central government is that it eliminates competition between different cities and states that try to attract people and businesses to grow their economy. Once government has stifled competion by nationalizing someting, i.e. education. then mobility, an important principle of federalism, becomes impractical.
              So please all of you liberals, run for mayor, run for
              city council or school board. You and your ideals will be more than welcome there. But please stay out of our U.S. Constitution. You don't understand it or the reasons it was written.
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          • Author by GalaHGL (June 09, 2009 6:36 am ET)
               
            Good point. I hope the leaders of the men who come to my house are competent then. Hows that?
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        • Author by solon (June 08, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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          The decision was based on the law. It is that simple. The city had a right to take action to avoid a lawsuit. A lawsuit they felt vulnerable to since they didnt think they could show the test measured job ability. A criticism that was already being made. The city decided to take the action and the law on this is clear they have a right to make such a decision. It isnt like the court ordered the city to make this decision but once they did the law made it clear, and the court upheld their right to make such a decision. There just isnt any reason to say the COURT made this decision based on anything other than the LAW. You know the law that conservatives keep SAYING they want the court to follow until they make a decision conservatives dont like
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    • Author by whattodo (June 07, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
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      I am beginning to think you all have reading comprehension problems.

      This sentence says it all. -Clause by taking facially neutral, albeit race-conscious, actions to avoid liability-

      You can rationalize it away, but, due to race, they ruled the way they did, in order to avoid liability. The reasoning is moot. And you mention it wasn't a quota, but precedent that led her to rule the way she did. Ok, what was that precedent? Fear of being sued because ad=frican americans were not promoted like the hispanics and caucasians, EVEN THOUGH THEY SCORED POORLY ON THE TEST. This is ruling though fear of being labeled racist. I cannot imagine you are unable to acknowledge this. I am confident your beliefs are cloudy your ability to make enutral decisions. And by the way, "race conscious". . . come on.
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      • Author by GalaHGL (June 08, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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        yea. I repeated above what you said here. sorry, I can rarely scroll past refuter without laughing at and correcting him. Good comment brotha' (or sista').
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      • Author by GalaHGL (June 08, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
           
        yea. I repeated above what you said here. sorry, I can rarely scroll past refuter without laughing at and correcting him. Good comment brotha' (or sista').
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      • Author by solon (June 08, 2009 2:37 pm ET)
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        You would have a point except for two things. First the claim was SOTORMAYOR made the decision based on race when it seems undeniable they made the decision based on the law. Second the criticism that made them liable for judgement wasnt just the racially disparate result but the fact the city wasnt able to show the test had anything to do with the ability to do the job which is at the heart of the civil rights law. If you think it is a bad law. By all means say so tell your representative to change it but until it IS changed why is everyone pretending that Sotomayor didnt just FOLLOW THE LAW?
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    • Author by Eric Jaffa (June 07, 2009 7:09 pm ET)
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      Newt Gingrich tries to have it both ways on affirmative action.

      He's trying to use the subject against Sonia Sotomayor, but as for his own record:

      ======================================================
      EDITORIAL
      LOS ANGELES TIMES
      TUESDAY, AUGUST 8, 1995

      Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R-Kan.), once a staunch supporter of affirmative action, continues to press legislation that would end all consideration of race or gender in awarding federal contracts. The cur rent law, contrary to popular perception, already outlaws quotas except in rare cases in which the courts have mandated one specifically to remedy proven discrimination.

      Gingrich was expected to take a route in the House similar to Dole's in the Senate, but he now says he will not. He explained why on the Monday telecast of NBC's "Today" show. He spoke of what he had learned about this controversial subject in the last six months. Gingrich now acknowledges " ... the legitimate fear of African Americans who look back only 30 years ago to segregation, to state police who were beating people like John Lewis [then a young civil rights leader, now a Democratic House member from Georgia], and you can sense the legitimate, genuine fear we could slide back into that kind of environment."

      http://aad.english.ucsb.edu/docs/gingrich.integ.html
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    • Author by fairliberal (June 07, 2009 10:24 pm ET)
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      Sotomayor did not decide for clearly racial reasons, she supported precedent that decided for clearly racial reasons.

      Segregation was once precedent, it was wisely overturned.

      Here is something to consider...http://www.michaelcarroll.com/2009/04/diversity-trumps-ability.html
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      • Author by mari2jj2970 (June 08, 2009 12:02 am ET)
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        You bring up facts. Sad to say, my party continues to be racist even in this modern era. But, as long as they do, I predict they will be out of power because some of us see that the fair and Godly way is to even up the opportunities for all. Sad to say, I worked in Texas where whites assumed they had the right to preferential treatment and sad to say, they got it. Gingrich is even making blab about something he already is shown to be in agreement with. Poor thing probably thinks no one will look up his past pronouncements during the time Republicans finally realized racism was not going to get them any more majorities.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (June 08, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
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          mari,

          It seems to me you confuse equal outcome with equal rights.
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      • Author by solon (June 08, 2009 4:53 am ET)
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        Yes lets consider some rightwingnuts opinion about this. Then again, lets not.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 08, 2009 8:31 am ET)
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        The court heard the arguments and the appellant court heard them again. Assemblyman Carroll did not. He's just popping off to his base. Hope that works out for him, but it will not pursuade me. They lost their case because they failed to demonstrate harm. Both courts found this to be the case. You may not like what the city did in this case, but it was not illegal, nor was it discriminatory and it did no tangible demonstrable harm to the firefighters suing. To find otherwise would be judicial activism as it would not follow the letter of the law.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 08, 2009 8:33 am ET)
           
        The court heard the arguments and the appellant court heard them again. Assemblyman Carroll did not. He's just popping off to his base. Hope that works out for him, but it will not pursuade me. They lost their case because they failed to demonstrate harm. Both courts found this to be the case. You may not like what the city did in this case, but it was not illegal, nor was it discriminatory and it did no tangible demonstrable harm to the firefighters suing. To find otherwise would be judicial activism as it would not follow the letter of the law.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (June 08, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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          Nice,

          It looks to me like legal mumbo-jumbo to say that the people denied the promotion were not harmed. You might as well say that anyone who is not granted a promotion or pay raise due to racism and/or sexism also is not harmed.

          I recognize that is what the DC ruled, but it doesn't pass the laugh test. No matter what your race is, how would you feel if you were denied a promotion because not enough people of another color did well enough on the test?

          I think Gingrich framed the issue correctly.

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          • Author by solon (June 08, 2009 2:49 pm ET)
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            Because they couldnt show the test had anything to do with the ability to do the job, which is what the basis for the civil rights law is. I tried this before. Suppose you lived in a town of Masons. The test you get for promotion at your mechanics job had a whole lot of questions about say Masonic history. See? This is how such tests can be discriminitory. Now I am not claiming there was this kind of conspiritorial base for testing to keep minorities down in THIS case but this WAS done in times past for exactly that reason which is the basis FOR the civil rights law saying such tests SHOULD be connected to ability to do the job. New Haven didnt feel their test could show such a connection and that made them liable under the civil righst law. The city should have changed the test long ago to abide by this legal requirement. They didnt. They felt liable. They put the test aside til it was changed. They made their decision. The courts ruled they had every right TO make such a decision which was not mandated BY the courts but by the law. The courts followed the LAW. If you have a gripe it isnt with the judges but the law which you conservatives keep saying you WANT judged to follow until it causes them to rule a way you dont like. IF minorities had gotten HALF this much outrage while they were being descriminated against Jim Crow would have been demolished over a week end.
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            • Author by anotheramerican (June 08, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
                 
              The city caved under pressure that they might be sued. The city used Civil Service procedures that have been in place across the U.S. for a hundred years, which are used in an effort to be fair to civil service workers in hiring an firing. To say the test, which was written by a consultant so as to eliminate any hint of prejudice, had nothing to do with the job, is laughable.

              I understand the history of the laws and why they were passed. But even the best intentioned law, if it is unconstitutional, is bad law. Many civil rights laws are well intentioned, but in practice actually do the opposite of what they are intended. "Affirmative Action" laws shows us in this case that following that law is to be racially discriminatory against these whites who should have been promoted.

              Yes, the courts follow the law. However in this case, as proven out by the SC, there are factors in the law which needed to be explored. The AC (and Sotomayor,) made a mistake in not looking at the case as clearly written by the dissenting judge's opinion. The argument against her, because she is to be considered for the SC, is whether her insistence on diversity in this case trumps the even more fundamental right of non discrimination based on color.

              We both believe Jim Crow should have been abolished. However Jim Crow is now 40-50 years past. It is immaterial to the case.

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              • Author by Brabantio (June 08, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
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                "The city used Civil Service procedures that have been in place across the U.S. for a hundred years, which are used in an effort to be fair to civil service workers in hiring an firing. To say the test, which was written by a consultant so as to eliminate any hint of prejudice, had nothing to do with the job, is laughable."

                That is the foundation for your position?

                "What do you mean we have to recall vehicles because they're exploding in rear-end collisions? We have engineers who use tests and procedures in order to prevent that sort of thing. The idea that they didn't perform their jobs adequately is laughable."

                Any other examples spring to mind? The Titanic, maybe? All airplane crashes due to pilot error? The Space Shuttle Challenger?
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                • Author by anotheramerican (June 09, 2009 9:14 am ET)
                     
                  Wow. You completely failed to make your point with your analogies. Please do try again.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (June 09, 2009 10:01 am ET)
                       
                    Please do explain your reasoning. Just brushing it off with "wow" doesn't mean anything.
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            • Author by anotheramerican (June 09, 2009 9:27 am ET)
                 
              fog,
              You are the first one I have seen arguing that the test itself taken by the firefighters included a bias against minorities. In all I've read no pundit or analysis has made such a claim. In fact the city of New Haven hired an outside firm to create a job related test so there would be no hint of bias. Did you forget that or are you just purposely ignoring it?

              If you have any example to prove your point that the test was biased, that would be great.

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          • Author by foghornleghorn (June 08, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
               
            How would you feel if you got promoted based on a test that was biased toward you and against competing minorities?

            You haven't seen the test. Your opinion, therefore, is worthless.
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          • Author by Brabantio (June 08, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
               
            "No matter what your race is, how would you feel if you were denied a promotion because not enough people of another color did well enough on the test?"

            Maybe it's just me, but since I don't believe that people of other races are inferior, I would be very curious as to why that discrepancy occurred.

            Isn't there going to be another test at some point in this scenario anyway? If you deserved the promotion, then you shouldn't have any concerns about passing the revised test. The only basis for complaint is if you think some of the minorities were discriminated against unfairly and the new test is going to bump you off of the list.
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            • Author by anotheramerican (June 09, 2009 9:34 am ET)
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              I agree that I would be very curious as to why the test results came out the way they did. I would think an audit of the test and the grading would answer that question.

              However your argument reminds me of the kid who loses a bet and quickly says, "two out of three"? The problem with taking another test is that those who didn't pass might indeed study more and end up with higher scores, denying one or more who already passed the chance for the promotion.

              It is inherently unfair to those who passed to have to retake the test just because the city did not like the racial makeup of those passing the test.
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              • Author by Brabantio (June 09, 2009 9:58 am ET)
                   
                But if you recognize that the test might not be fair to begin with, then the merit of higher scoring doesn't mean squat. If that's the case, someone didn't deserve the promotion. So your logic is that some people might be unfairly discriminated against by the test, but it's unfair to have another test because someone who didn't deserve to get a promotion might be denied that promotion.
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                • Author by GalaHGL (June 09, 2009 11:11 am ET)
                     
                  your argument is based on the assumtion that the test was discriminitory. Show why you assume this.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (June 09, 2009 11:17 am ET)
                       
                    I didn't assume anything, AA said himself he would wonder why those results occurred and that he'd want to see the test audited. Again, I don't believe minorities are inferior.
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                    • Author by GalaHGL (June 09, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
                         
                      I beleive from the essence of my soul that all people are created equal. Go ahead and audit the test. I'm going to assume, based on civil service tests I've seen, that it is not racially biased. Something tells me that we will find them to be fine. The people who studied for the test obviously had some knowlege of what the test was about. If the lower scorers were denied equal access to study materials that would certainly represent an injustice. But I think what we have here is a simple case of affirmative action type discrimination.
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    • Author by attentive1 (June 08, 2009 11:24 am ET)
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      The Gingrich nonsense is instructive on a number of fronts, the most important of which has to do with his (and the Republican/conservative party"s) preoccupation with the issue of "judicial activism." As one respondent to this issue noted above, Gingrich and his crowd tries to have it both ways. The truth is that what is referred to as "judicial activism" is a very utilitarian concept that has no particular party affiliation.
      If judicial activism as defined by the political right as "making law from the bench," then the Sotomayor concurrence with the lower court, which upheld the city of New Haven's policy is far from "judicial activism" (as defined by the right.
      Of course, the utility of this concept must be realized in the U.S. Supreme Court's invasion into the State of Florida's 2000 electoral process/decision.
      A look at the U.S. Constitution confers electoral perogatives to the states under the Reserved Powers found in the X Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the states respectively, OR THE PEOPLE.")
      A clear act of "judicial activism" and not a peep from the right-wing.
      And oh, by the way, the correct term and opposite of "strict construction" or literal interpretation of the words written in the document is not judicial activism, the correct term is "loose or broad construction" where construction refers to the manner in which the language of the Constitution may be interpreted.
      It pains me that our media fails to be instructive where it is most important to so be.
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      • Author by anotheramerican (June 08, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
           
        attentive1,

        Why do you believe the SC "invaded" the State of Florida's 2000 electoral process? Are you saying the rulings of the Florida SC were could not have been appealed?

        Could it be that you just didn't like the outcome? Had the SC upheld the Florida SC would you still be saying they "invaded" the process/decision?
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (June 08, 2009 2:54 pm ET)
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          In case you forgot, the Supreme Court can decide to NOT hear a case. That's what they should have done with Gore v. Bush.
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          • Author by anotheramerican (June 08, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
               
            fog,

            Do you not agree that the contested election and the methods used to argue the outcome were of national interest, both now and the future? Were there not some basic constitutional principles involved?

            I think you are only presenting your argument because you did not like the outcome.

            On the whole, I do believe it is a moot point. Hasn't it been established that Gore would have still lost using the counting method argued in the appeal?
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            • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 08, 2009 8:14 pm ET)
                 
              It was an issue of states' rights. Period. We don't have nationalized elections for a reason. The Bush v. Gore decision was bogus and legal scholars will tell you so. It was a coup d' tat.
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        • Author by captfoster2 (June 08, 2009 11:19 pm ET)
             
          anotheramerican,

          Your kidding right?

          You asked attentive1 "Why do you believe the SC "invaded" the State of Florida's 2000 electoral process? Are you saying the rulings of the Florida SC were could not have been appealed?"

          Something you and all other right-wingers always seem to conveniently forget is that up until the Florida SC decided that the recount must go on... the Republicans (lead by Karl Rove, Newt, Bush, etc, and basically all the various mouth pieces of the right)... states rights were first and foremost!!

          That the federal level should stay out of the business of the states doing what it felt was best for its own people.

          But oh so shockingly... the conservative movement went ape-poop that the state of Florida's SC decided what was best for the people of Florida!

          Each state has its own set of electoral rules... just read the Constitution... it clearly states that states have this right...

          But since that decision would have very likely lead to a Gore presidency ... oh no... can't have that. That a few justices of SC of the US had been well known in their defense of states rights suddenly found it proper to supersede a state's rights!

          Medicinal ciga-weed (California) and the right to die (Oregon) are two more issues that the Republicans have found themselves sticking their nose where it did not belong.

          Whether I or attentive1 'liked' the outcome is not even relevant! The Republican lead SC of the US undermined the rights of a states simply because that state did something THEY considered worthy of dispute, which it was not!

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          • Author by anotheramerican (June 09, 2009 10:04 am ET)
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            In a per curiam decision, the Court in Bush v. Gore held that the Florida Supreme Court's method for recounting ballots was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

            Do you think that violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment is within States rights?
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 09, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
                 
              If it was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause, why isn't Bush v. Gore citable precedent? If it was a violation, I would demand that this violation never happens again, wouldn't you?

              And, again, have you found any other SC decisions in the past 50 years that are not to be used for precedent to back up these claims by you (which you said you did not make):

              From:
              http://mediamatters.org/research/200905010029

              "by Brabantio (May 01, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
              Bush vs. Gore stated that the decision shouldn't be used as precedent. If there was a sound basis for the ruling, then there shouldn't be any problem with using the same reasoning in the future. The only way it makes sense is if they knew they were making a purely political decision and they didn't want to justify the same sort of decision benefitting a Democrat at any point in the future."

              "by anotheramerican (May 01, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
              Brab,

              I do believe the Court rules this way fairly regurlarly."

              Please come up with one.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 10, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
                   
                Ouch. I will assume you are done with that fallacious argument, AA.
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