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June 12, 2009 8:13 am ET

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SUMMARY: A.B. Stoddard falsely claimed that a DHS report on "rightwing extremists" "didn't back up the claims with evidence." In fact, the report specifically pointed to previous reports that "some returning military veterans" have "associated with rightwing extremist groups."

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During the June 11 edition of MSNBC's The Ed Show, A.B. Stoddard, associate editor of The Hill, falsely claimed that a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report alerting law enforcement that "rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans," "offended veterans and other people mentioned in the report because it didn't back up the claims with evidence." Stoddard added, "Now, if you want to rile up extremists, write reports from the government without evidence." In fact, the DHS report specifically pointed to previous reports that "some returning military veterans" have "joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups," including a July 2008 report -- issued by the Bush administration -- that drew a similar conclusion.

As Media Matters for America has noted, in the July 2008 report, titled "White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11," the FBI's Counterterrorism Division found with "[h]igh confidence" that "[m]ilitary experience is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement as the result of recruitment campaigns by extremist groups andself-recruitment by veterans sympathetic to white supremacist causes." The FBI report further stated: "A review of FBI white supremacist extremist cases from October 2001 to May 2008 identified 203 individuals with confirmed or claimed military service active in the extremist movement at some time during the reporting period." It also stated: "According to FBI information, an estimated 19 veterans (approximately 9 percent of the 203) have verified or unverified service in the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

DHS also cited a 2006 report by "a prominent civil rights organization" that "large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces" and the case of Gulf War veteran and convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.

From the DHS report:

(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists -- including lone wolves or small terrorist cells -- to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

- (U) After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans -- including Timothy McVeigh -- joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups.

- (U) A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that "large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces."

- (U//LES) The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.

From the FBI report (footnote omitted):

(U) Key Judgments

Except where noted, the confidence levels for the following judgments are considered moderate.

  • (U//FOUO) High confidence: Military experience is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement as the result of recruitment campaigns by extremist groups and self-recruitment by veterans sympathetic to white supremacist causes. Extremist leaders seek to recruit members with military experience in order to exploit their discipline, knowledge of firearms, explosives, and tactical skills and access to weapons and intelligence.
  • (U//FOUO) Although individuals with military backgrounds constitute a small percentage of white supremacist extremists, they frequently occupy leadership roles within extremist groups and their involvement has the potential to reinvigorate an extremist movement suffering from loss of leadership and in-fighting during the post-9/11 period.
  • (U//FOUO) White supremacist extremists hope to revitalize the white supremacist movement by exploiting antigovernment sentiment among opponents of the overseas conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Although some veterans of these conflicts have joined the extremist movement, they have not done so in numbers sufficient to stem declines among major national extremist organizations, nor has their participation resulted in a more violent extremist movement.
  • (U//FOUO) Looking ahead, current and former military personnel belonging to white supremacist extremist organizations who experience frustration at the inability of these organizations to achieve their goals may choose to found new, more operationally minded and operationally capable groups. The military training veterans bring to the movement and their potential to pass this training on to others can increase the ability of lone offenders to carry out violence from the movement's fringes.

From the June 11 edition of MSNBC's The Ed Show:

STODDARD: Now, as for the Homeland Security Department report, which we discussed on this show months back, the problem with that one was that it offended veterans and other people mentioned in the report because it didn't back up the claims with evidence. Now, if you want to rile up extremists, write reports from the government without evidence.

I think that if the Obama administration wants to come out and be vigorous about a public relations campaign about the rise in extremism that has resulted from Barack Obama's election, I think they need to put some meat behind it and be very specific about the rise of these threats.

MICHAEL CROWLEY (senior editor for The New Republic): Well, I think that's a fine point, although I'm not sure -- A.B., correct me if I'm wrong -- that that report was meant to be public. I think it might have been a leak -- so, just in defense of the Homeland Security Department. But I think you make a good point.

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 12, 2009 9:18 am ET)
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      Tim McVeigh? Terry Nichols? Ring any bells?
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    • Author by nerzog (June 12, 2009 9:19 am ET)
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      Speaking of "no evidence"... have you found those WMD yet?
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      • Author by Conchobhar (June 12, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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        Extremists get riled up over a lack of evidence? Where's the evidence for that? I've seen Stoddard show some intelligence in the past, but this is ridiculous. These extremists, and I refer to everyone who felt outraged by the DHS report, are outraged over the fact that elections have consequences. They're more than ready to get riled up, over anything. Dijon mustard, anyone?
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        • Author by magnolialover (June 12, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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          True enough. I had a "discussion" with someone last night about the holocaust shooting, and he claims, and says this with great indifference, that there is NO doubt, that the guy was a leftist.

          Why? I asked him.

          "Well, because he was a Nazi, and Nazi means National Socialist Worker Party." and he continues, "Nazis were extreme left wing because they were socialists!"

          Holy cow! I can't even believe someone is that ignorant. He has bought the Rush line, hook, line, and sinker. He took it all in, and disregarding history and all, declares that this whack-a-doo is not only an extremist, but he's a leftist, and is representative of the entire left.

          Amazing. Simply amazing...
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          • Author by juliajayne (June 12, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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            William Rivers Pitt | Death Talkers
            http://www.truthout.org/061209J
            William Rivers Pitt, Truthout: "The much-maligned DHS report on the rise of right-wing extremism in America, released last April by Secretary Napolitano to conservative cries of outrage, appears to have been pretty much on the button. Three days before the report was made public, three Pittsburgh police officers were shot to death by a right-wing gun-ownership extremist who believed President Obama was coming for his guns. One month after the report was made public, an anti-choice zealot named Scott Roeder gunned down Dr. George Tiller in the vestibule of Tiller's church in Kansas while his wife sang in the choir. On Wednesday, a security guard was shot and killed at the Holocaust Memorial in Washington, DC, by James W. von Brunn, a right-wing conspiracy theorist who filled pages on his blog with screeds about a Jewish world conspiracy and, you guessed it, Obama's so-called 'false' birth certificate."
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 12, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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            "Well, because he was a Nazi, and Nazi means National Socialist Worker Party." and he continues, "Nazis were extreme left wing because they were socialists!"
            You should have asked him if the German Democratic Party was Democratic, or if the Peoples' Republic of China is Republican.
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            • Author by twseattle (June 12, 2009 11:32 am ET)
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              Saddam Hussien used republicans as his personal guards.
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            • Author by magnolialover (June 12, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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              Nah, I knew I had to stop the discussion because from the base of where he was coming from was so completely and totally ignorant, you can't debate people like that.

              Also, he's a big supporter of what McCarthy did in the 50's. If that tells you anything.

              Funny thing is, this is a guy who proclaims to be about individual responsibility, and the government shouldn't be taking care of us, we should be taking care of ourselves, and all the usual blather and bluster of some republicans and conservatives. Want to know the ironic part?

              He's unemployed, lives with his parents, and is almost 30.

              So much for personal responsibility. He's also one of the folks who talks about taking from the rich and giving to the poor which is so wrong, except when taken into account that Obama's tax plan benefits him greatly.

              Amazingly ignorant I have to say. Utterly and completing breathtakingly ignorant.
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              • Author by mrhebert74 (June 12, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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                I have been taking a leave of absence from my job for the last 10 months, and I must say, unemployment affords an excellent opportunity to listen to Rush.
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                • Author by John Paradox (June 12, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
                     
                  Which, in turn, leads to an increased desire to get a job?
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 12, 2009 11:14 pm ET)
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                  Listening to Rush allows one's brain to enjoy unemployment, as well.
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          • Author by BillJ-MN (June 12, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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            magnolialover -

            That "neo-nazis are liberal" talking point is one of the most absurd ever to come down the line.

            Let's pretend there was a contest for President with only two candidates. Duncan Hunter against Dennis Kucinich. Peek at the votes of 100 neo-nazis who choose to vote and I'd be surprised to find 2 votes for Kucinich. Could anyone argue on a rational basis that Kucinich would receive more votes than Hunter? I doubt it.

            Neo-nazis are conservative, plain and simple.
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    • Author by Romario (June 12, 2009 11:55 pm ET)
         
      Ah yes...A.B. Stoddard...who famously referred to then-candidate Barack Obama as "a immigrant".

      http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/evasieupersad/CJhY
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