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June 21, 2009 7:13 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Several conservative commentators have publically criticized conservative media figures and Republican politicians for deeming President Obama's reaction to unfolding events in Iran to be overly cautious, including The Wall Street Journal's Peggy Noonan, who called such criticisms, "Aggressive Political Solipsism at work."

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In recent days, several conservative commentators have publically criticized conservative media figures and Republican politicians for deeming President Obama's reaction to unfolding events in Iran to be overly cautious. For example, as Think Progress noted, The Wall Street Journal's Peggy Noonan wrote on June 20 that "John McCain and others went quite crazy insisting President Obama declare whose side America was on," and that their criticisms were an example of "Aggressive Political Solipsism at work: Always exploit events to show you love freedom more than the other guy, always make someone else's delicate drama your excuse for a thumping curtain speech."

  • In her June 20 Wall Street Journal column, Noonan wrote: "To insist the American president, in the first days of the rebellion, insert the American government into the drama was shortsighted and mischievous. The ayatollahs were only too eager to demonize the demonstrators as mindless lackeys of the Great Satan Cowboy Uncle Sam, or whatever they call us this week. John McCain and others went quite crazy insisting President Obama declare whose side America was on, as if the world doesn't know whose side America is on. 'In the cause of freedom, America cannot be neutral,' said Rep. Mike Pence. Who says it's neutral?" Noonan continued: "This was Aggressive Political Solipsism at work: Always exploit events to show you love freedom more than the other guy, always make someone else's delicate drama your excuse for a thumping curtain speech."
  • On the June 20 edition of MSNBC Live, Pat Buchanan said of the unfolding situation in Iran: "My view is that it was very, very irresponsible for John McCain to say some of the things he said so early. It was very hot-headed in my judgment. It was impulsive. Can you imagine if the crowds in the streets suddenly were told, 'Look, the Americans are with us. They're behind us 100 percent. Let's try to overthrow the regime,' and then they were cut down by these Revolutionary Guard and their thugs? I think we would bear moral responsibility for having done that, and it would be a disaster. ... I think they've done the right thing."
  • As Think Progress noted, on the June 21 edition of ABC's This Week, Washington Post columnist George Will said, "The president is being roundly criticized for insufficient, rhetorical support for what's going on over there. It seems to me foolish criticism. The people in the streets know full well what the American attitude toward the regime is, and they don't need that reinforced." Will added: "Furthermore, there is an American memory of encouraging things like the Hungarian revolution in 1956 with rhetoric about rolling back communism -- we had balloons float in and drop medals with the Statue of Liberty on it, and leaflets. Came the crunch, there was nothing we could do about it."
  • On the June 21 broadcast of Fox News' America's News HQ, referring to Obama's response to the situation in Iran, Republican strategist Karen Hanretty said: "I'm one of the Republicans who does not agree with John McCain on this. I think the president is taking a very nuanced approach to this. I think that that is a very wise thing for him to do. Look, this is the Iranians' revolution. America, like it or not, is not very popular in the Middle East." Hanretty continued: "I agree with those -- you know, and there are some on the right, but mostly on the left, I think, you know, and I think [Democratic strategist] Josh [Gottheimer] is one of them -- who's going to say, you know, 'We don't want to be the foil for, you know, the opposition in Iran.' " She later added: "So, they say, you know, we need to have a strong statement that says, 'We're behind you.' OK, but then what? What happens next week if this turns far more violent? What is that -- are we behind you in name only? In just -- through a resolution? Are we prepared to go into Iran and help fight for -- what's the follow-up to that? I feel like this isn't very well-thought through, and there's a lot on the line for these people. This is their freedom. This is their country. This is everything we hold dear, and turning it into a partisan debate, I think really devalues what's happening."

As Media Matters for America documented, numerous conservative media figures criticizing Obama's reaction to events in Iran have a record of discredited claims, predictions, and analysis about foreign policy issues, particularly the Iraq war.

From Noonan's June 20 Wall Street Journal column:

To insist the American president, in the first days of the rebellion, insert the American government into the drama was shortsighted and mischievous. The ayatollahs were only too eager to demonize the demonstrators as mindless lackeys of the Great Satan Cowboy Uncle Sam, or whatever they call us this week. John McCain and others went quite crazy insisting President Obama declare whose side America was on, as if the world doesn't know whose side America is on. "In the cause of freedom, America cannot be neutral," said Rep. Mike Pence. Who says it's neutral?

This was Aggressive Political Solipsism at work: Always exploit events to show you love freedom more than the other guy, always make someone else's delicate drama your excuse for a thumping curtain speech.

Mr. Obama was restrained, balanced and helpful in the crucial first days, keeping the government out of it but having his State Department ask a primary conduit of information, Twitter, to delay planned maintenance and keep reports from the streets coming. Then he made a mistake, telling the New York Times in terms of our national security there is little difference between Mr. Ahmadinejad and his foe, Mir Hossein Mousavi, which may or may not in the long run be true but was undercutting of the opposition.

What now? Americans, and the West, should be who they are, friends of freedom. Iranians on the street made sure they got their Twitter reports and videos here. They trust us to spread the word through our technology. A lot of the signs they held were in English. They trust us to be for change and to advance their cause, and they're right to trust us.

Should there at this point, more than a week into the story, be a formal declaration of support from the U.S. government? Certainly it's time for an indignant statement on the abuses, including killings and beatings, perpetrated by the government and against the opposition. It's never wrong to be on the side of civilization. Beyond that, what would be efficacious? It must be asked if a formal statement of support for the rebels would help them. And they'd have a better sense of it than we.

If the American president, for reasons of prudence, does not make a public statement of the government's stand, he could certainly refer, as if it is an obvious fact because it is an obvious fact, to whom the American people are for. And that is the protesters on the street. If he were particularly striking in his comments about how Americans cannot help but love their brothers and sisters who stand for greater freedom and democracy in the world, all the better. The American people, after all, are not their government. Our sentiments are not controlled by the government, and this may be a timely moment to point that out, and remind the young of Iran, who are the future of Iran, that Americans are a future-siding people.

From the June 21 edition of ABC's The Week with George Stephanopoulos:

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (host): And George, let's start with that question suggested by those clips right there. Is this the tipping point in Iran?

WILL: It'll never be the same there, and the legitimacy of the regime such as it was is much diminished -- whether or not that's a good thing is another matter. The president is being roundly criticized for insufficient, rhetorical support for what's going on over there. It seems to me foolish criticism. The people in the streets know full well what the American attitude toward the regime is, and they don't need that reinforced.

Furthermore, there is an American memory of encouraging things like the Hungarian revolution in 1956 with rhetoric about rolling back communism -- we had balloons float in and drop medals with the Statue of Liberty on it, and leaflets. Came the crunch, there was nothing we could do about it.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And, Bill, you, as I said, spent much of the last week in Iran, could you get a sense from the people you were able to talk to how much they wanted the United States involved?

From the noon ET hour of the June 21 broadcast of Fox News' America's News HQ:

SHANNON BREAM (Fox News Supreme Court reporter): There has been some very vocal criticism from some on the right saying that we need the president to take a harder line. Karen, do you think that's appropriate in the middle of this situation?

HANRETTY: You know, I'm one of the Republicans who does not agree with John McCain on this. I think the president is taking a very nuanced approach to this. I think that that is a very wise thing for him to do. Look, this is the Iranians' revolution. America, like it or not, is not very popular in the Middle East. And I agree with those -- you know, and there are some on the right, but mostly on the left, I think, you know, and I think Josh is one of them -- who's going to say, you know, "We don't want to be the foil for, you know, the opposition in Iran."

GOTTHEIMER: Exactly.

HANRETTY: And I think that that's the right thing.

BREAM: And, Josh, we're seeing, though, at least on the streets here in Washington -- we've seen it in L.A., New York, London, Paris -- we're seeing support that is very vocal for the Iranian people. Many of these folks who have families there --

GOTTHEIMER: Of course.

BREAM: -- and loved ones there. And yet, as they call on the president to take a tougher stand, he's been very careful, and it's delicate for him. How can he juggle this any better than he already is?

GOTTHEIMER: I think he's taking it day by day is what you're seeing. And he's made very clear statements about human rights, about violence. That's where America should be stepping forward and saying something. I think overall, though, as Karen was saying, he has to be incredibly careful. We can't get sucked in, so that we are an excuse for the government there to stand up against the protesters, and say, look, "America is getting in the way; here's another reason we should come down even harder on you."

So I think that we need to let this play out. He's handling this. He's getting briefings constantly, I'm sure. And I think we have to -- he has to be very measured. The Republicans, I think, have to be careful not to overplay their hand here, and let the president be commander in chief. And I think that's what you're seeing.

BREAM: And, Karen, do they risk making this turn into a bipartisan-type looking event if they get any more vocal about pushing him?

HANRETTY: Well, they risk making it look, yeah, very partisan, which is not good. And yet, I guess, my question, you know, what's the follow-up question? So, they say, you know, we need to have a strong statement that says, "We're behind you." OK, but then what? What happens next week if this turns far more violent? What is that -- are we behind you in name only? In just -- through a resolution?

Are we prepared to go into Iran and help fight for -- what's the follow-up to that? I feel like this isn't very well-thought through, and there's a lot on the line for these people. This is their freedom. This is their country. This is everything we hold dear, and turning it into a partisan debate, I think really devalues what's happening.

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BREAM: Now, Karen, you say -- we know this region is very volatile in a lot of respects, but you say they're united outside of Iran in one thing: Nobody wants them to have a nuke.

HANRETTY: No, no one does want them to have a nuclear weapon. And I think that, you know, goes back to why it's so important that the administration exercise a very cautious approach to all of this. A nuclear weapon in the hands of Ahmadinejad and the sitting supreme leader is much different than -- you know, you're seeing a dynamic take place right now among the mullahs who, you know, some of them are more hardline than others.

And how this shapes up is really going to affect their capacity for nuclear technology. There's a lot on the line right now. I say take the cautious approach. Saudi Arabia doesn't want them to have it. No one in the Middle East does.

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    • Author by mefirst (June 21, 2009 7:45 pm ET)
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      and what exactly should obama be doing? he's giving moral support to the demonstrators and that has already brought a condemnation from the iranian leadership. if these critics want something more, then spell it out. we cannot risk being seen as meddling. it's the same excuse that we've given castro for all these years. he's always accused his opponents of aligning with america and that's how he justifies his crackdowns on dissent.
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      • Author by snoopy (June 21, 2009 10:29 pm ET)
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        Speaking of castro, I say drop the embargo. Whatever happened with that? I remember early on some discussions along those very lines.
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    • Author by rtwmd1230 (June 21, 2009 8:29 pm ET)
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      Good grief, a calm, subtle discussion of foreign policy on FAUX? Off with their heads!
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      • Author by shoes89 (June 22, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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        Where is the "conservative misinformation" here?

        If anything, this shows how Republicans can civilly debate different views in a healthy manner.

        Meanwhile, Democrats will eat their own the minute someone strays off the talking points. Look back to the Bush administration. Many Democrats who defended Bush were flat-out mauled.

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        • Author by BillJ-MN (June 22, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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          That's some funny stuff, shoes. The purpose of the article to kind of a sidebar showing that much of the early conservative misinfo was so outrageous that even a lot of conservatives couldn't fall in behind it.

          As for your other point, it stands at odds to history. The Democratic party has long been the party that suffers from infighting due to widely disparate ideas and principles. Remember Will Rogers? What he said about his party hasn't changed. However, the differences have always been the give and take of reasonable disagreements within the party. Republicans have long been much more lockstep. That's why they were able to push through their agendas during WPE Bush's years while the Democrats have been much less successful when they've had control.

          I'm sure you enjoy your weird little universe, but you should give reality a try sometime.
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        • Author by blueline99 (June 22, 2009 3:22 pm ET)
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          The Republican party is the Talking Point party... the Democrats have always been unable to be unified in this fashion/

          It's when the Talking Points are so outrageous (as in this case) that the talking heads can't even say them in good conscience, that's when it's noteworthy.

          Plus, Media Matters has always been about trying to show how the different mediate outlets represent the truth. Whether they lie or misrepresent or if they are telling the truth.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 22, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
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          Where is the "conservative misinformation" here?
          In the rest of your post.
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        • Author by mari2jj (June 22, 2009 10:32 pm ET)
             
          That sort of attitude is exactly why so many of us are leaving the Republican Party. It seems impossible to discuss problems in the Party without this sort of really silly response that has nothing to do with the discussion. But hey, go right on and more and more of us will leave the Grand Old Party because we simply cannot forgo realism in favor of silly sloganeering so prevalent in the party of late. But I credit folks like Buchanan and Noonan for their open minded and fair statements. There may be a small ray of hope for the party.
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (June 22, 2009 12:07 am ET)
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      It would be nice if the Republican's could get their party back from the neo-cons that took it over with Bush/Cheney.
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    • Author by mari2jj (June 22, 2009 1:34 am ET)
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      Actually we always make all9owances for the number of uninformed Republicans and I am even a Republican. Not for long though. No place for moderate Republicans in the party any more. Poor things are set on destruction of Republicanism. Amazing. No big tent anywhere to be seen.
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    • Author by ProgLib (June 22, 2009 4:20 am ET)
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      well, file this under "C" for curveball... i never saw it coming from other conservatives.
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      • Author by TheSarge (June 22, 2009 10:28 am ET)
           
        I don't get it. What's their game? I mean, they're not supposed to make sense... and now suddenly, there they are... making sense.

        [http://downlode.org/Creative/Writing/Notebook/Illustrations/itsatrap.jpg]
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (June 22, 2009 5:18 am ET)
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      I'm wondering if any of the "conservative critics" will step over the line, and go after El-Rushbo ?

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      • Author by mjh (June 22, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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        If they do, within 48 hours they'll be publicly apologizing.

        You don't get tough with "the boss."
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    • Author by ny2nc (June 22, 2009 8:11 am ET)
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      I'm wondering if any of the "conservative critics" will step over the line, and go after El-Rushbo ?


      I think I just felt a thrill going up my leg!

      "From your lips to God's ear," as they say.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 22, 2009 9:15 am ET)
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      My heart is with what John McCain advocates (PP): Come out clearly behind the protesters and give our full support.

      But my HEAD realizes (as pretty much everybody here does) that nothing would make Mousavi's support evaporate faster than a ringing endorsement from the west. (And Obama's playing this one perfectly.)

      (I just hope that Mousavi knows that ours our hearts are completely with him, and that's why our heads (and our mouths) can't be!)

      It's funny because the stereotype is that liberals think with their hearts ("bleeding-heart liberal," "touchy-feely liberals") with those ("cold-hearted") conservatives think with their heads. (And, yeah: their wallets!) But when it comes to foreign policy the opposite seems more often true, especially lately. McCain, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld - ALL heart (passion) no brains. Kerry, Biden, Clinton (to a lesser extent), Obama (the greatest example) ALL HEAD. They have hearts, of course, and their hearts are certainly in a much better place than McCain's, Bush's and Cheney's are, but they do not let their PASSIONS overwhelm their REASON.

      I think it's time to retire the old stereotype, and flip it around.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (June 22, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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        I think it's time to retire the old stereotype, and flip it around.

        Very true, Eddie. Indeed, this was pointed out a couple of decades ago in the autobiography of former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. He felt that the "knee-jerk" appellation fit much better with the conservatives he knew than the liberals. And that was at the very beginning of the rise of the neocons, the influence of Limbaugh, and before Fox News was just a twinkle in Murdoch's evil eye.

        I would say that the neocons don't think with their hearts (I would venture to point out that Cheney's history of heart trouble is the only evidence that he has one at all) as much as they go with their gut instincts. This is why they tend to be so impervious to sound reasoning. The neocons who write here are perfect examples, in that they will come in with fixed ideas, and absolutely nothing can ever shake their view of things. No opinion outside of theirs matters, so they don't listen, and don't recognize when they've been refuted or even when they're making utter fools of themselves.

        I don't know a single liberal that could be described that way (nor any true conservative), but it's run of the mill for the neocons.
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    • Author by newzhound (June 22, 2009 9:40 am ET)
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      Last week Mr. Buchanan schooled Sheer "Hot Air" Insannity about this matter. Of course, InSannity could not find a single good thing to say about our President's position.

      Mr. Buchanan pointed out that if President Obama came out on one side, that side could expect American support. And might act accordingly. Remember what happened after Gulf War I? And to the Kurds before that.

      InSannity kept trying to draw a parallel between Iran and Poland. Well, as Mr. Buchanan pointed out, the United States did not overthrow the Polish government in 1953. You can be sure the people of Iran know their own history, even if InSannity does not.

      So InSannity was reduced to calling Mr. Buchanan an isolationist and President Obama an appeaser.

      Pathetic...And what does it say about InSannity that Pat Buchanan came across as the cool head of reason in this exchange?
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (June 22, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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        All INSANNITY is, is a FAR RIGHTY WING NUTJOB with no commen sence whatsoever.A brain dead moron.
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    • Author by shaggles (June 22, 2009 11:09 am ET)
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      Obama is doing exactly the right thing. Sticking our nose in is only going to make the US look like the bad guy again.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 22, 2009 3:50 pm ET)
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        And that's precisely why the Neoclowns are lambasting him for keeping our nose out.
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    • Author by newzhound (June 22, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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      Ms. Noonnan wrote " The American people, after all, are not their government." Documenting the extraordinary fact that she does not understand the Amercian system of government.

      Of course the American people are our government. It is one of the essential (and unique) aspects of our unique system.
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    • Author by goshzilla (June 23, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
         
      Conservative pundits like those of McCain and others who want America to send in troops, are not in it for democracy, they are in it for the chance to drop bombs and write off innocent civilian deaths as collateral damage. That's an exaggeration, no, they want a democracy that is inline with America. Part of the problem with real democratic governments is that there is always that chance the people vote in people who have absolutely no interest in being allies with the U.S., war-mongerer McCain knows that.

      I think it's very wise for Obama to stay the hell out of Iran. It was only 1979 that the Iranian revolution overthrew a facist dictator that was installed by the U.S. in the 1950's. If Obama gets involved, says he supporters one side, it can ruin the legitamacy of Mousavi's cause.
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