In covering Ricci, media should not promote "extraordinary rebuke" myth
SUMMARY: In covering the Ricci case, reversing Judge Sonia Sotomayor's decision, media should not promote the myth that the reversal represents a "historic rebuke" or that Sotomayor's Supreme Court reversal rate is "high."
As Media Matters for America has noted, in a May 27 editorial, The Washington Times stated that if the Supreme Court were to reverse Supreme Court nominee Judge Sonia Sotomayor's decision in Ricci v. DeStefano, "It would be an extraordinary rebuke were a current nominee to be overruled on such a controversial case by the very justices she is slated to join." Now, in covering the Supreme Court's decision in Ricci, reversing by a 5-4 margin a decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals -- joined by Sotomayor -- the media should not join the Times in promoting the myth that the reversal represents a "historic rebuke" or that Sotomayor's Supreme Court reversal rate is "high." Indeed, as a judge on the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals, current Justice Samuel Alito was reversed on at least four occasions before his confirmation to the Supreme Court and received a "rebuke" as an appeals court judge by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, whom he replaced.
In his book, The Nine: Inside the Secret World of the Supreme Court (Doubleday, 2007), New Yorker staff writer and CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin wrote that, in 1992, O'Connor had "excoriated" the "logic, approach, and conclusions" of her eventual successor, Alito, in her opinion for the abortion-rights case, Planned Parenthood v. Casey. Moreover, Alito identified four more reversals -- in each of which O'Connor voted with the majority reversing Alito -- in his Supreme Court nomination questionnaire:
- Rompilla v. Horn, 355 F.3d 233 (3d Cir. 2004), cert. granted 542 U.S. 966, and rev'd 125 S.Ct. 2456 (2005)
- Thomas v. Comm'r of Soc. Sec., 294 F.3d 568 (3d Cir. 2002), cert. granted 537 U.S. 1187, and rev'd 540 U.S. 20 (2003)
- Coss v. Lackawanna County D.A., 204 F.3d 453 (3d Cir. 2000) (en banc), cert. granted 531 U.S. 923 (2000), and rev'd 532 U.S. 394 (2001)
- Fiore v. White, 149 F.3d 221 (3d Cir. 1998), cert. granted 526 U.S. 1038, question certified 528 U.S. 23 (1999), certified question answered 562 Pa. 634 (2000), and rev'd 531 U.S. 225 (2001)
Alito was reversed unanimously in Thomas.
Furthermore, it also would not be unprecedented for the court to reverse a ruling reached by a justice before his or her elevation to the Supreme Court. As an appeals court judge, Chief Justice John Roberts was a member of a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, which, in its July 2005 unanimous ruling in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, allowed a military commission to try Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a Guantánamo Bay detainee.
Roberts was confirmed as chief justice several months later, in September 2005. Then, in 2006, the Supreme Court reversed the circuit court's decision on a 5-3 ruling.
Moreover, contrary to the myth that it is unusual for the Supreme Court to reverse federal appellate court decisions, data compiled by SCOTUSblog since 2004 show that the Supreme Court has reversed more than 67 percent of the federal appeals court cases it considered each year, except 2007, when it reversed federal appeals court cases 61 percent of the time.














And with this issue you continue to show your bigotry, just like you do with your use of the white trash term.
2 wrongs do not make a right, discrimination against these white firefighters does not correct any injustices of the past, it just creates more injustice. But a bigot would not see that.
re⋅buke
/rɪˈbyuk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-byook] Show IPA verb, -buked, -buk⋅ing, noun
Use rebuke in a Sentence
–verb (used with object)
1. to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand.
–noun
2. sharp, stern disapproval; reproof; reprimand.
Origin:
1275–1325; ME rebuken (v.) < AF rebuker (OF rebuchier) to beat back, equiv. to re- re- + bucher to beat, strike < Gmc
Related forms:
re⋅buk⋅a⋅ble, adjective
re⋅buk⋅er, noun
re⋅buk⋅ing⋅ly, adverb
Synonyms:
1. censure, upbraid, chide, admonish. See reproach. 2. reproach, remonstration, censure.
Plus... it was only 5-4. Hardly a landslide-- hardly a screaming from the bench for her head.
These decisions happen all the time. But the right wingers rely upon other people's ignorance and stupidity in order to do their dirty deeds.
Fair - their is not a drop of biggorty in mey post aboove. There is more than the usual dollop of stupidity in yours howerver.
Your side lost. Get over it.
Yep those of us that are against activist judges lost...
Have you read the test...???
You think it is right that the Supremos have the right to interfere with the judgment of the elected officials of a city...???
It was NEVER proven that the test was unfair, hence the overturn.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
No because not all white people are white trash or trailers. A lot of White people live in blue states so it doesn't apply to them.
But I am confused, I have read here many times that nobody watches cable news. This is usually in response to Fox's ratings crushing the other networks. Now you are saying that most of your opponents are Fox News watchers. If only a few million watch Fox, what about the other nearly 60 million that did not vote for your guy.
Calling someone "white trash" is not racist. There are two words there; 'trash' the noun and 'white' adjective. 'Trash' is the pejorative here, not 'white'. 'Trash' doesn't take on more negative connotation by applying the 'white' modifier.
Or is it only OK when the court is forcing states and cites to do what you want them to do...???
Our point (always lost on you boneheads) was:
1) That Sotomayor was not being some kind of racist, or radical ruling the way she did. And a 5-4 descision, plus the other appelant judges that agrees with her would seem to prove this point.
2) That your use of the word "discrimination" was incorrect. The white ff'ers never proved discrimination. The did not win a discrimination suit. Period. If you think they did then you are ignorant of the law, the case and the SC decision.
None of us were "rooting" against the whiet ff'ers. They're getting promoted? GOOD. GOOD FOR THEM! CONGRATULATIONS. That was never the issue. The issue was ALWAYS what YOUR LOT was making of this case. And every post I've seen here, from POV, FaiL, etc... show that you STILL DON'T GET IT.
No one disputes that these guys were good firefighters, or that many, if not all, of them deserved propmotion. But the city felt the test was unfair, based on the racial breakdown of the results. Not wanting to be sued by the black ff'ers they threw the results out. The SCOUTUS merely said that they were worng to do so.
The merits of the white FF'ers was never in question. The issue was whether or not the city was right in their reasoning to throw out the results. The merit don't enter into it.
At best the SCOTUS said that the test wasn't racist. And while they didn't actually go that far, you could reasonably draw that conlcusion. They DID NOT rule that the city WAS racist and they CERTAINLY do not rule that the lower court, appellant court or Just. Sotomayor were racists. All they did was give the city legal protection to use the result so of the test. They ruled that city should not have thrown out the test. (This implies that the city would be protected if the black ff'ers sued.) That's it.
The merit of the white ff'ers is immaterial to the case and the ruling.
What you are saying is so simple...so correct, they will never get it. And Yes Edwin, I am happy you Lost, and Justice Won.
PoV - go back and take a course in remedial reading comprehension to go along with the course in remedial micro and macro economics that your lot so desperately needs. I've said, several times, that I have no problem with either the FF'ers getting promoted or the decision itself. And since I was involved in teh case anyway, how exactly have I lost? (I'm a white engineer BTW, not a black firefighter.)
My point that you people have made this case into something it's not still stand and every word you and fairL write further proves that point. YOU STILL GREATLY EXAGERATED WHAT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT AND WEHAT HAPPENED HERE.
They're just cheerleaders for the court ruling for whitey, nothing more, nothing less.
Racism is racism, simple. Affirmative action is a flawed policy, it does not correct injustice, it creates new injustices.
I also love to see how bitter you are after a lose I Told You was coming.
The question, which was avoided, is whether disparate impact outweighs disparate treatment.
The interesting point is that none of the SC agreed with Sotomayor's summary agreement.
Ginsburg believes that Sotomayor and the other judges below applied the wrong standard: “The lower courts focused on respondents’ ‘intent’ rather than on whether respondents in fact had good cause to act.” Or so says Ed Whelan at NRO.
http://bench.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTBhOTEzMTZhMmMyNDczNTE5MjA4MTI0Mjk1Zjc5MDA=
In fact, it was historic! Even RusHannity said so. There has no greater rebuke of a SC nominee than a landslide 5-4 margin!
The reversed a decision, big effen deal. THAT is what the SCOTUS does, either reverse or let stand.
And do look at the decision carefully.
But try to keep your racism in check as well.
You guys are the ones screaming "racist"...!!!
Geeezzz....some consistency... please!!!
Consistency requires a certain degree of brain power - something Winston Smith, Fair Liberal, and POV are sorely lacking.
espousals of personal opinion cheapen and further complicate the issues. Just because White people do not get their way in the effort of equity does not necessarily equal racism, especially since it is largely other White people making these decisions. Like Justice Ginsberg stated in the decision:
“It took decades of persistent effort, advanced by Title VII litigation, to open firefighting posts to members of racial minorities,” she said. Moreover, she said, contrary to the majority’s finding, there was “substantial evidence of multiple flaws in the tests New Haven used.”
So what exactly is racism?
Why is "Winston Smith" in there?
What happened is the norm.
If Just. Kennedy (the tie-breaker in EVERY SINGLE 5-4 decison on the Roberts court) ruled the other way, then they would be supporting the decison of the lower and appellant courts and the position of the city of New Haven. It would STILL have nothing to do with Sotomayor personally. That's patently absurd! It's you idiots that think this is all about HER. You guys started all of that lunatic idiocy.
How any one can claim "rebuke" before even reading it is beyond me...
But it is sadly typical behavior for America's inside the beltway MSM...
If you can't answer a post without misdirection, then just SHUT THE F^CK UP!
But when a court decides something you don't like it is "activism" and Judges "making law"...
But you know that the arguments I have been making about judicial activism has been THE main arguments the right has been making about the illegitimacy of the decisions and philosophy of left leaning judges.....Right...???
So you agree that all of the activist judges rap it just a bunch of hot air rabble rousing....???
Really...This is all ya got...??/
It is clear that to a wing nut an activist judge is a judge that rules against what a wing nut likes....
Judaical Activism ... suddenly....Has nothing to do with states or local rights...
For now any way......Freaking right wing hypocrites....
According to the Orwell novel 1984, doublethink is:
“ The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them....To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.[1] ”
I gather from Ginsburg's fn.10 that the majority did not actually care about whether New Haven rejected the test as flawed and decides never to use it again, or what test was applied in affirming New Haven's rejection of the test. (If they cared about that, they would -- or should -- have remanded to the Court of Appeal with instructions to use the correct test -- good cause rather than New Haven's intent.) The majority is simply saying, at least in this instance, that if you administered the test, you're stuck with the results of that particular administration.
If it was 9 to 0 it, it would be a problem.
Overwise, why bother with it? The Supreme Court is not in the business of simply affirming every lower court's decision. They do that, of course, by refusing to hear most of the cases brought for their consideration.
So, for the first right wing myth, it is no surprise that many Supreme Court decisions overturn the lower court's ruling. That's the point of the exercise, isn't it?
Secondly, for the most part the Supreme Court is not bound by the precendent's established in the lower court when it comes to Constitutional issues. They look to the Constitution for that guidence. Of course, previous cases do matter.
But it is not the role of the lower courts to overturn laws (Such as Title VII) based on the Constitution. The lower courts are to follow precedent - and that is what Judge Sotomayor's decision did.
Clearly the city of New Haven was going to be sued either way. They took the only logical course (based on Title VII) and threw out the test based on disparate impact. That's following the law, and the lower court agreed with that. NOBODY GOT PROMOTED!
No favortism, no quotas, no racism (reverse or otherwise, if there is, indeed, such a thing as "reverse racism" - I don't believe it). The test got tossed.
What now? The City of New Haven has - what? - one African American fire captain out of 20-odd? Does that reflect the population of firefighters in the Department? Just like does the number of Black former player GM's and coaches in the NFL reflect the percentage of Black players?
That's exactly right. Tends to get lost in all the babble.
The main point remains: The Supreme Court doesn't take for its review easy cases.
Secondly, the words 'racist' and 'racism' have appeared with a not-surprising frequency in the post-riposte give and take in response to this article, so I'd like to point something out.
Racism is about deciding based on the color of skin. IF all these years the fire department had been choosing white firefighters for promotion because of the color of their skin, that's racism. Just because it has an apparently positive effect for the white firefighters doesn't change the fact that they were benefiting from racist policies. Obviously, this also means all the other firefighters who could have done the job equally well lost out.
If the test tends to select for white firefighters, then the test is also racist, in application if not intent.
Those in the media who wish to frame the debate this way are not doing themselves any favors. NiceguyEddie had it right when he said, "It was reversed. This happens every day."
The case was difficult and New Haven saw themselves in a "no-win" scenario. They could accept the test results and get a lawsuit from blacks who weren't hired or throw out the results and end up with the current case. I have not read the test - if anyone else has please give a link. On the surface I cannot see how a firefighter exam could be racially biased but you never know. The below link discusses the case and core issues:
http://oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2008/2008_08_328