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Conservative media claim Supreme Court decided Ricci "9-0" against Sotomayor

June 29, 2009 4:55 pm ET

SUMMARY: Several conservative media figures have claimed that the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision in Ricci v. DeStefano is a "9-0" decision "against" Sonia Sotomayor.

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Following the Supreme Court's decision in Ricci v. DeStefano -- which reversed by a 5-4 margin a decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals -- several conservative media figures have claimed that the Supreme Court decided "against" Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor "9-0." In fact, while Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote in her dissent that "[o]rdinarily, a remand for fresh consideration would be in order" and that "I would not oppose a remand for further proceedings fair to both sides," she concluded, consistent with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision, which Sotomayor joined: "[W]hat this case does not present is race-based discrimination in violation of Title VII."

In her dissent, joined by Justices David Souter, John Paul Stevens, and Stephen Breyer, Ginsburg also wrote:

Applying what I view as the proper standard to the record thus far made, I would hold that New Haven had ample cause to believe its selection process was flawed and not justified by business necessity. Judged by that standard, petitioners have not shown that New Haven's failure to certify the exam results violated Title VII's disparate treatment provision.

Less than an hour after the Ricci decision was announced on June 29, conservative Ed Whelan wrote a post for National Review Online's Bench Memos blog headlined "9-0 Against Sotomayor." Whelan noted that Ginsburg did say "if final adjudication by this Court is indeed appropriate, New Haven should be the prevailing party." Linking to Whelan's post, NRO's Kathryn Lopez tweeted: "9-0 Against Sotomayor."

Similarly, Laura Ingraham tweeted: "Re. the SCOTUS Ricci opinion...ignore spin that case not impt bc 5-4...it was 9-0 on Soto's summary judgment of firefighters claims!"

Shortly after noon, Rush Limbaugh claimed on his radio show: "If you read Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you'll find out it's a nine-zip decision because even those in the minority found that the 2nd Circuit botched this totally by not even having a trial. They just found for New Haven in summary judgment."

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    • Author by Victor Colorado (June 29, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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      It's a good thing the Supreme Court didn't use this math to decide the 2008 presidential election. President McCain would be bombing Iranian protesters by now.
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    • Author by inkslave (June 29, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
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      Well, there go those conservative justices again, being judicial activists and legislating from the bench.

      I think it's a crying shame that the city tossed out the exam results for the reason they did. But it does not constitute a Title VII violation, because the white guys can't show "disparate treatment" under the law. Everyone got treated in the same dumb way and no one was promoted over the heads of the white guys who qualified.

      The strict reading of the law, as done here by Ginsbug and Sotomayor, may not render the most just verdict, but it is undeniably the legally correct verdict. The firefighters should not have prevailed on the grounds they claimed.

      But that has never stopped Scalia, et al. before and it didn't this time.

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      • Author by LarryE (June 29, 2009 7:42 pm ET)
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        The point you make is an important one. As I recall, the text of the Circuit Court ruling said something to the effect that the Court felt that law and precedent did not allow for a difference decision.

        In which case, the wingers are actually attacking Sotomayor for embracing precedent and refusing to "legislate from the bench."

        That's obviously quite inconsistent with the wingers' usual arguments, but since intellectual consistency requires a certain among of intellectual integrity, that's no problem for these folks.

        As for the claims it was 9-0, it's an example of #13 of my rules of conservative argument: "When all else has failed - and even when it hasn't - lie."
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        • Author by my4cents (June 29, 2009 9:52 pm ET)
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          Lie, with a straight face.
          I still do not get how they do it and why?
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          • Author by my4cents (June 29, 2009 10:05 pm ET)
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            I am not legal expert but this is what I understand (to be the facts
            1. Elected officials of the city took the decision they took.
            2. Sotomayor agreed with their decision (including 2 other judges that made it a 3-0 agreement) that they were right.
            3. SCJ rules on 5-4 against it.

            All 3 statements are 'facts'.

            Opinion: Did not the SCJ (5-4) rule against elected officials? Is that not 'legislating from the bench'?
            I will not even write about why it is not a 'serious rebuke' against Sotomayor's judgement.
            She will judge fine.
            Thomas is the guy I am worried about. Who confirmed him?
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          • Author by captfoster2 (June 29, 2009 11:56 pm ET)
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            I still do not get how they do it and why?

            How: Money from right-wing filth...

            Why: Because no one has had the balls yet to put these punks in their proper place!
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        • Author by captfoster2 (June 29, 2009 11:54 pm ET)
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          "In which case, the wingers are actually attacking Sotomayor for embracing precedent and refusing to "legislate from the bench."

          That my friend... is one of the most profound statements I have ever read as it pertains to the right-wing filth of our country and their ever expanding embarrassment they provide.
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      • Author by smittymatt16 (June 29, 2009 11:43 pm ET)
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        I don't think it's wise to bring judicial activists into the conversation. Proposition 22 was put into place in the state of California by the voters of California which recognized the traditional definition of marriage. Activist judges in California overturned that and legalized gay marriage. Then, the will of the people was heard again when they passed Proposition 8. I think we all know the story.
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        • Author by solon (June 29, 2009 11:54 pm ET)
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          You should have stopped at you dont think. We all knew that anyway
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          • Author by smittymatt16 (June 30, 2009 12:06 am ET)
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            Very clever....there is obviously a double standard if one thinks (strictly based on their judicial actions) that judges in the Ricci case are being activists and those judges in California are not.
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            • Author by solon (June 30, 2009 12:39 am ET)
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              OK let me leave the snark out of it. Frankly your post didnt deserve it and I am a bit abashed here. Rights. We dont vote on them. It would be like three wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. The majority cannot oppress minority rights. I dont see the activist judge thing as a strong argument. I think this was a complex case. I think that shows in the 5-4 ruling. I would have been fine either way it went. The point was about the hypocrisy of slamming court decisions when they overturn state and city rulings as activist then applauding them doing the same thing when they agree with them. That isnt changed by the fact that sometimes when they do that the other side agrees. You dont see many liberals attacking judicial activism because at least I think it is a red herring. It is just an excuse to attack rulings you dont like. Lines have to be drawn and when they are someone isnt going to like where they are drawn. I am fine with letting the court do it. I am fine with this ruling. I am fine with the California ruling though I disagree with it, I am fine with Roe V Wade. I think eventually in the case of California the majority will overturn their judgement and we WIlL see gay marriage in that state but I cant see the future and I might be wrong.
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              • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 30, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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                The Prop 8 ruling will probably be revisited every election cycle until the left gets the results they want. In all fairness it is pretty close. Prop 8 passed with 52%, but recent polls say it's 48% to 47% in favor of gay marriage. I have no info on the sample. I wonder if after the people speak in favor of gay marriage will the issue then die?

                Prop 8 vote

                Fresno targeted as 2010 battle

                Poll on repeal of Prop 8
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                • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 30, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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                  The Prop 8 ruling will probably be revisited every election cycle until the left gets the results they want
                  Yep. It's called progress. It's kind of like how some of the founders of the country wanted to outlaw slavery when the Constitution was passed but had to compromise with Southern interests. Those that wanted to end the practice could not be denied and finally won the day. This is the story of progress in this country repeated over and over.
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              • Author by smittymatt16 (June 30, 2009 10:52 pm ET)
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                And I agree with you. Although I probably have opposing views on many things, I agree. I just don't want the will of the people to be thrown out becuase judges believe otherwise, and because they have the power to, they make rulings that go against votes. I think it's dishonest to say the judges are legislating from the bench in this case, and that was what I was responding to.
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        • Author by captfoster2 (June 30, 2009 1:08 am ET)
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          Since all the facts were not presented to the people of California about either Prop 22 and 8 ... your attempt is as pathetic as it is childish.

          Anyone with a working brain knew what those despicable Props were: A way for the right-wing Christian base to try and have its way through deception and lies!
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 30, 2009 10:36 am ET)
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            What facts were not presented?
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            • Author by captfoster2 (June 30, 2009 11:49 am ET)
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              What facts were not presented?

              Here

              Prop 8 was created for the sole purpose of keeping gays and lesbians from having equal rights that everyone else enjoys!
              Gays and lesbians are legally allowed these rights in Vermont. Last I checked, Vermont did not explode nor civil society break down.

              This same kind of BS occurred during the founding of this nation when several conservatives and religious types did not originally want America to be free, but subject to the King of England

              A civil war was fought in part because white Christian males could not accept that blacks were human and had a God given right to be free

              During Woman's Suffrage where the white man claimed women having equal status would lead to the end of society

              During the time of the Civil Rights movement... same thing (only several whites scared other white people by claiming that the black man would rape their women and eat their kids)

              Now, during the time of equal rights for gays and lesbians... here we go again.

              It's always conservatives and the Christian church leading the way...

              After 230 years of history of this kind of crap happening... how many more 'facts' do you need?
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              • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 30, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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                Were these "facts" not presented in the court case or in political ads as your link seems to suggest? If it was in ads, then welcome to the wonderful world of politics. Your point is valid if these facts were omitted in a court case.

                As for your 230 year re-cap, I think you're applying 21st century values to most of your examples and judging on that basis. That is a debate for another day though...
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                • Author by funnytallguy (June 30, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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                  As for your 230 year re-cap, I think you're applying 21st century values to most of your examples and judging on that basis. That is a debate for another day though

                  With all due respect, this is really a big "taking responcibility for one's actions head fake"! People, be they cave men or southern whites or conservatives in CA. have always understood right and wrong. Cave men hit women over the head and dragged them back to their cave, not because they didn't understand that it was wrong, they did it because they knew they could get away with it. During slavery, rape was the order of the day. Do you really think those white men didn't understand that it was wrong? People do unto others because they know they can get away with it. When black people are concerned, evil doers know that all media (not just conservative media) wil protect them. In Europe, they don't talk of chads and dimples when they speak of Florida 2000, they talk about not letting thousands of black citizens vote. Look what our denial has cost this nation!
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                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 30, 2009 10:52 pm ET)
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                    Don't forget about them not letting thousands of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines vote either.
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      • Author by smittymatt16 (June 29, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
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        What were the grounds they claimed?
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      • Author by Seabee (June 29, 2009 11:53 pm ET)
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        So maybe every Test Ruth has taken we should throw out and throw her off the bench. They voted party lines and tried to legislate from the bench. It failed when will democrats realize that. If 11 blacks had been advanced and 30 white guys hadnt would this be an issue? No it wouldnt every talking head would be saying it was fair test.

        The Hispanic guy that passed studied hard and hired a tuder all to get his advancement thrown out because others couldnt read.
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        • Author by essbird (June 30, 2009 11:49 am ET)
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          I recommend tudoring. It can improve English. Reading regularly will also help with spelling, punctuation, and usage.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 01, 2009 8:06 am ET)
               
            I recommend tudoring. It can improve English.
            So, by "tudoring" you're referring to the King's English?
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        • Author by solon (June 30, 2009 8:37 pm ET)
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          The others couldnt read? Ok so you are stupid, racist and brainwashed. We got it. Feel free to drop by anytime to give us a laugh. Meanwhile perhaps you better check the starch level on the sheets you wear to those Klan meetings you MAY be having a bad reaction
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      • Author by mari2jj2970 (June 30, 2009 1:26 am ET)
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        Yes and the Supreme Court also issued new rules on this issue that changes the legal underpinning of the decision. Actually, the court made this new finding with their change in mind, and that is why they overruled the decision. The Supreme Court ruled on this issue o overturn the lower court but they actually found the law that was the basis for the lower court's decision did concur with the law, but the supreme Court majority essentially changed the law. So Limbaugh, cry your eyes out. On second thought, he will just rearrange the facts to fit with his lie.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 30, 2009 9:22 am ET)
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          *SHOCK* You're not accusing conservative justices of practicing judicial activism are you?!

          [/sarcasm]
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    • Author by Buckwheat (June 30, 2009 2:04 am ET)
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      Don't republicans get sick and tired of being lied to by their own party? Wake up republicans, they treat you like brain dead sheep, aren't you better than that?
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    • Author by ufleirx (June 30, 2009 7:54 am ET)
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      Wow, the more conservative members of the SC disagree with Sotomayor I am shocked.
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