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Fox's Baier falsely suggests Obama has cited Canada as possible health reform model

June 30, 2009 8:48 am ET

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SUMMARY: Bret Baier falsely suggested that President Obama has cited Canada's medical system as a "possible model" for his health care reform plan. In fact, Obama has explicitly rejected a Canadian-style health care system.

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On the June 29 edition of Fox News' Special Report, host Bret Baier stated that "President Obama spent a good deal of time at that news conference [on June 23] talking about health care reform, and Canada's medical system has been cited as a possible model." Correspondent Molly Line later stated during her subsequent report that "some in Washington" are "look[ing] north for ideas." But neither Baier nor Line noted that Obama has explicitly rejected a Canadian-style health care system. Furthermore, Obama has also embraced the creation of a federally funded "public plan" as one of many insurance options available in the health care market, not the sole option, as in "single-payer" systems such as Canada.

According to the National Library of Medicine's Medical Subject Headings thesaurus, a "single-payer system" is defined as:

An approach to health care financing with only one source of money for paying health care providers. The scope may be national (the Canadian System), state-wide, or community-based. The payer may be a governmental unit or other entity such as an insurance company. The proposed advantages include administrative simplicity for patients and providers, and resulting significant savings in overhead costs.

In a June 2 letter to Senate Health Committee chairman Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) and Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus (D-MT), Obama wrote: "I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest." During a March 26 online town hall discussion, Obama was asked: "Why can we not have a universal health care system, like many European countries, where people are treated based on needs rather than financial resources?" He replied, "I actually want a universal health care system," adding that rather than adopting a "single-payer system" like Canada's, "what I think we should do is to build on the system that we have and fill some of these gaps."

From the June 29 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Bret Baier:

BAIER: While the U.S. pursues a health care system, a public option with some similarities to Canada's socialized medicine, Canada may be going the other way.

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BAIER: President Obama spent a good deal of time at that news conference talking about health care reform, and Canada's medical system has been cited as a possible model. But correspondent Molly Line reports that nation's government-run effort is facing some competition from the private sector.

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LINE: For 40 years, Canada's public health system has provided basic medical care for all on the simple premise that everyone be treated equally, regardless of financial status -- a socialistic approach to medicine now under siege. There is a shortage of doctors, and patients are saturating the system, resulting in long waits for some treatment, unless you're willing to pay. Private for-profit clinics are popping up across the country.

CHRISTINE CROSSMAN (Canadian patient): Any wait time was an enormous frustration for me, and also pain.

LINE: After injuring her hip and being told she could wait up to a year for an MRI, Christine Crossman turned to a private clinic.

CROSSMAN: No question, it was worth the money.

LINE: Health care delivery in Canada falls largely under provincial jurisdiction. Complicating matters, private for-profit clinics are permitted in some provinces and not allowed in others.

Under the Canada Health Act, privately run facilities cannot charge citizens for services covered by government insurance, but a Supreme Court ruling in Quebec opened the door for patients facing unreasonable wait times to pay out of pocket for private treatment.

Luc Boulay is a partner at St. Joseph MRI, a private clinic in Quebec that charges around $700 for most scans.

BOULAY: But I think there is a fundamental shift in different parts of the country that's beginning to happen. I think that people are beginning to realize that they should have a choice.

LINE: But advocates looking to preserve fairness believe private clinics undermine the very foundation of the country's health care system.

NATALIE MEHRA (Ontario Health Coalition): Private clinics don't actually produce one single new doctor, nurse, specialist. All they do is take the existing ones out of the public system, make the wait lines longer for everybody else, while people who can pay more and more and more money jump the queue for health care services.

LINE: Canada spends 3,600 per capita on health care, almost half of what is spent in the U.S. And while some in Washington look north for ideas, the Canadian system is still changing.

MICHAEL ORSINI (University of Ottawa): A mix of private and public seems to be favorable in some contexts. On the other hand, we need to be really careful that we're not treating health care the way we treat a value meal at McDonald's.

LINE: Driven by consumer demand for quick care, some fear the growth of a two-tiered system. Provincial governments face the difficult job of finding a balance, reducing wait times, and maintaining fair access without redefining the universal ideals at the core of Canada's health care system.

In Ottawa, Molly Line, Fox News.

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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (June 30, 2009 11:12 am ET)
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        Proof that you're a troll.
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        • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 30, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
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          Proof that you're a troll.
          Projection in its distilled, pure form.
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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (June 30, 2009 4:26 pm ET)
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            I disagree with your standpoint often, so I'm a troll? The guy re-posted something from another thread that was completely off-topic.
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    • Author by TheDayV (June 30, 2009 10:41 am ET)
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      Line's report is actually pretty good, especially for Fox's standards (such as they are). A 'two-tiered' health system has had a lot of Canadians nervous about what happens to their basic care. However, the problems involved with Canada's healthcare system aren't so much the fault of the system as they are the fault of circumstances. Doctor and nurse shortages are creating wait-times, and not just in Canada. Also, the baby-boomers are increasingly using the healthcare system now that some of them are in their 60s, so there's extra pressure on the system.

      I would say the likely reasons for Obama avoiding pushing for a Canadian style system are current circumstances as well as the fact that switching from an American style system to a Canadian one would be too big a change to perform all at once, especially politically.
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      • Author by mybrotherskeeper (June 30, 2009 8:00 pm ET)
           
        Re "Line's report is actually pretty good ... "

        Except for the lack of evidence that President Obama is looking to Canada as a model for health care reform, and except for the fact that President Obama has explicity rejected the Canadian single-payer model.

        Although it is certainly possible that after reforming our US health care system we, too, will end up with a two-tiered system, I don't think this report adds anything very specific or useful to the current debate.

        The premise seems to be that if we provide any public option for health insurance we will inevitably end up facing the same problems Canadians are confronting. I am not sure that is true, but even if it is true, we still might be better off with reform than without it.
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    • Author by BlueBerryPickN_is_ThisCanadian_com (June 30, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
         
      this is subtle & insideous.

      Americans **should be so lucky** as to have the Canadian system I enjoy.

      Gee, the fact that Harper "I never saw Texas Oil money I didn't like!" Health Minister was *in Obama's hotel suite in Denver* demonstrates Obama is taking information from Canada's system.

      Of course, all Progressive liberal Canadians know what the REAL scoop is:

      Obama isn't trying to give Americans a system as good as Canada's.

      In fact, the US corporate entities for BigPharma, AMA/CMA, private 'health care' conglomerates & Health Insurance are scoping out the means to DESTROY THE CANADIAN SYSTEM by dumping millions into 'privatization' propaganda in Canada.

      Media Matters: for SHAME on you!

      You're allowing Fox News to help slander a system YOU'LL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO HAVE & that Canadians like very much, thank you.

      Treating the healthcare of citizens of North America like A HARVESTABLE RESOURCE is a disgusting concept.

      All American, & disgusting.

      Keep your 'privatization' & your 'semi-universal' healthcare. We'll work on improving ours: KEEP YOUR DISGUSTING POLICIES & PRIVATIZATION MONEY ON YOUR SIDE OF THE BORDER.

      You know The Border: the one that Americans patrol with Predator Drones, just like in Af-Pak.

      Americans wanna treat us with the contempt you reserve for Cambodians, Latin Americans, Afghans & Iraqis?
      FINE.
      Now we know who the REAL subversive fascists are.
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (June 30, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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        Do they have coverage for spazz-attacks?
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        • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 30, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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          Do they have coverage for spazz-attacks?
          Don't worry, you'll be covered. Your Tourette's syndrome will also be treated.
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          • Author by pointofview (June 30, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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            Why dont you go to Canada for a few years and check it out for us.
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            • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 30, 2009 5:56 pm ET)
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              Why dont you go to Canada for a few years and check it out for us.
              Why aren't Canadians migrating down here for our awesome health care?
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      • Author by thejbomb65 (June 30, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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        and interesting point.....i have to give you that.
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      • Author by Garibaldi (July 01, 2009 1:17 am ET)
           
        Amen, brother. There are tiny Carribean islands that offer better health care than the US pay-more-for-less-care system. Universal health care is the ONLY way to fix this disgusting rip-off they call "care" here. Only thing they care about is money.
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    • Author by seroquel (July 02, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
         
      Fox News, as usual, is real big with distortion.
      I hate our system with it's money first, then treatment approach.
      You know what? I think I'll become Canadian.
      Once I'm a citizen of Canada, I can take advantage of their great system that has worked far better than here in the U.S.
      My credit report is a shambles, because even when you're homeless(which I was for awhile) they still bill you.
      Understand, I would've paid, but not the outrageous prices our system has.
      For example:
      Ibuprofen(tablet) 275.00-one(1) tablet! Just how is this justified?
      I about fell out. That's part of what they call"our great system".
      Only if you can afford it.
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