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July 01, 2009 3:46 pm ET
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SUMMARY: The Fox Nation linked to a CNSNews.com article under the headline, "Pelosi Requires All Homes to Meet Eco-Standards Before They Can Be Sold" -- a claim not supported by the CNS article.

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On July 1, the Fox Nation linked to an article from the conservative news organization CNSNews.com under the headline, "Pelosi Requires All Homes to Meet Eco-Standards Before They Can Be Sold" -- a claim not supported by the CNS article. CNSNews.com's Matt Cover reported that the American Clean Energy and Security Act recently passed by the House of Representatives "contains a new federal policy that residential, commercial, and government buildings be retrofitted to increase energy efficiency, leaving it up to the states to figure out exactly how to do that." Cover then theorized that this policy "means that homeowners, for example, could be required to retrofit their homes to meet federal 'green' guidelines in order to sell their homes."

As Media Matters for America has documented, the Fox Nation has frequently featured false and baseless assertions in its headlines.

From the Fox Nation:

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    • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
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      What misinformation? It is in the bill. Regardless, do these Democrats ever consider how their buttinsky legislation affects struggling homeowners and those trying to sell their homes who don't have a lot of money to upgrade? Some homes are older and owners cannot afford this. It should be up to the buyers, not the damn federal government, or Henry Waxman or Nancy Pelosi.

      Residential real estate will have to be audited for energy efficiency and those trying to sell their homes will be forced to put in new windows, doors, appliances, insulation, etc. And if it's FHA or VA, the lenders will require this for sure.

      But once again, the liberals never consider those they portend to champion all the time, the average working middle class homeowner. Nice work Pelosi!
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (July 01, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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        Unless you want to show proof of your claim, your just engaging in fear mongering. There is no requirement to upgrade pior to selling. There's no movement to restrict gun ownership but it is the same meme of what those awful democrats "might possiblily in a blue moon do", which is apparently enough for accusations to fly with great sureity.
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        • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 5:13 pm ET)
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          Fear mongering? Are you saying this is NOT in the bill? Even MMfA isn't making that claim.
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          • Author by pointofview (July 01, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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            Right On

            I have heard this as well. Have you seen it in the bill? I hope its not true, but I dont know.
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            • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
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              I have not actually read the bill but I have heard it from other sources as well that it is in there, in some form, which in congressional bills can always be interpreted differently, but I would assume the FHA and VA govt. backed loans would be the first place it would be enforced. And a lot of people are financing that way now.

              If it is not in the bill at all, and I also hope it is not, then I stand corrected.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (July 01, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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                "It's in the bill"

                Followed by:

                "I have not actually read the bill"

                Find a CREDIBLE source and then get back to us. Until then it's just as eweston said, baseless fear-mongering.
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                • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
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                  No, I haven't actually read the 1400 page bill. Let us know when you finish it.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (July 01, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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                    But you claimed it was in the bill, didn't you, Tommy. Nice dodge. I didn't say to read the bill, just find a credible source about said bill.
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                    • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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                      Believe it or not, it's up to you. If you can't defend it and have to say read the 1400 page bill and get back to us, that is pretty pathetic.
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                      • Author by richard m. mathews (July 01, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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                        I have read the relevant section of the bill (section 202). The REEP program does not require any retrofits to occur. The REEP program does fund retrofits, and it says what must be in a retrofit in order to qualify for money. I certainly would not want it to give away money without qualifying how it will be spent.
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                        • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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                          So now I have to pay for someone who wants to sell their home if they need new windows or appliances that qualify under this program. Sorry, that hardly makes this any more palatable.
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                          • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 7:13 am ET)
                               
                            Why did I have to pay for that WAR I opposed? And those nuclear Weapons I think are evil? And that missile shield I dont think will ever work? Yeah. We know you dont want to pay for anything that doesnt put sheckels in a rich mans pocket but guess what? It isnt UP to you. Just like those things I mentioned werent up to me.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (July 01, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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                        The new and improved Tommy is more trollish than before. I'm not taking the bait. Go argue with someone else.
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                        • Author by loonz (July 01, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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                          He pulled the claim right out of his ass and now he's asking you to prove it's not true. I would have suggested you saying you read the bill and couldn't find anything like that but he'll probably ask for a page number.
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                            • Author by loonz (July 01, 2009 7:00 pm ET)
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                              You seem desperate. You cling to any talking point that attacks Democrats without checking it for yourself. Stop being a lemming; be a leader.
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                            • Author by harley (July 01, 2009 8:06 pm ET)
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                              Tommy changes name and is still as obtuse as ever....talking about being desperate.

                              Thanks for continuing to prove to everyone you are still a fool regardless of your moniker.

                              "It's in the bill"

                              Followed by:

                              "I have not actually read the bill"

                              Followed by:

                              "Believe it or not, it's up to you."


                              Dolt.
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                      • Author by LuvLuLu (July 01, 2009 9:30 pm ET)
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                        No, actually, it's up to you and FoxNation to prove it's in the bill.
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          • Author by neon desert (July 01, 2009 5:45 pm ET)
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            It does seem like fear mongering, considering that the original CNS article made the "requirement" claim, yet contained no evidence that a requirement like that exists in the bill.

            If any requirement for retrofitting energy saving features in a home before it is sold does exist in the bill, please paste it, or link to it, here for us all to see.
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            • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
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              I would not be surprised one iota if it is in the bill. It's typical liberal politics, they love to control people's lives and finances, this is just one more way to do it, all in the loftier name of global climate responsibility.
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              • Author by TheDayV (July 01, 2009 6:18 pm ET)
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                So you're saying that being environmentally responsible is a bad thing?
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                • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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                  No that is not what I am saying. Sorry.
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                  • Author by neon desert (July 01, 2009 7:17 pm ET)
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                    I have to back you up on this one - you're NOT saying that. You're merely saying that you have no idea what's in the bill, while arguing that something is in the bill.

                    I just finished reading it. and there's nothing in there that requires retrofitting homes before reselling them. Which, of course, makes yourself, point-of-view, Fox Nation, and CNSnews all fear mongers.

                    It's typical conservative politics, they love to fear-monger to control people's lives and finances, this is just one more way to do it, all in the loftier name of liberty.
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                    • Author by pointofview (July 01, 2009 8:06 pm ET)
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                      How does it make me a fear monger for saying that I heard that as well, and asked if anyone had read it or could confirm it?
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              • Author by harley (July 01, 2009 8:07 pm ET)
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                I would not be surprised one iota if it is in the bill.


                Sack up and prove it.
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              • Author by internet soldier (July 04, 2009 8:06 am ET)
                   
                So when you said, "Its in the bill", you had no idea whether it was or wasn't. Are you even slightly embarrassed that everyone now knows this? I mean, I know this is an anonymous forum, but that is really pathetic
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          • Author by FOIA Gras (July 01, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
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            MMfA is making that claim, implicit in it's "Distorting article" title. Please cite the bill # where in the bill this language is included.
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            • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 5:56 pm ET)
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              Read the attached article, MMfA is not disputing it at all, they are only saying the Fox Nation headline is wrong, not the meat of the provision at all.
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              • Author by shaggles (July 01, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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                Here are the first 2 paragraphs (emphasis added.) The idea that homeowners may be required to do retrofits before selling apparently comes from the writer (Matt Cover) not the bill. And since he only says it "could mean" that I have to agree with Media Matters that the article doesn't support the claim in the Fox Nation headline.

                "The 1,400-page cap-and-trade legislation pushed through by House Democrats contains a new federal policy that residential, commercial, and government buildings be retrofitted to increase energy efficiency, leaving it up to the states to figure out exactly how to do that.

                This means that homeowners, for example, could be required to retrofit their homes to meet federal “green” guidelines in order to sell their homes, if the cap-and-trade bill becomes law."
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              • Author by harley (July 01, 2009 8:09 pm ET)
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                Actually, MMFA is disputing the headline, doofus. Try again.

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      • Author by richard m. mathews (July 01, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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        What do you mean, "It is in the bill"? What is in the bill? Because CNS and Fox say bad stuff is in there, we have to believe them?

        The bill does contain provisions for defining what constitutes a green retrofit that the federal government would be willing to subsidize. I certainly would not want it to give away money without requirements on what the money is for. The bill does not require any retrofitting to actually occur.

        See section 202 of the bill, which describes the REEP program mentioned by CNS.
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        • Author by right ON (July 01, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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          So, you're saying that residential real estate is exempt? And if it is not, then the federal govt. is going to step in and pay for my new windows if they don't meet these green standards should I want to sell my home? Which is it? Either way it's an intrusive overstep on the part of the government, but according to liberals there is no government that oversteps. That's the problem.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (July 01, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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            but according to liberals there is no government that oversteps.

            Liar.
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          • Author by richard m. mathews (July 01, 2009 7:25 pm ET)
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            I am saying all real estate is "exempt" from the non-existent provision that requires retrofitting. CNS made it up.

            Are you asking, does the bill cost money? Yes it does. A lot of money will be spent to help people and companies have healthy, prosperous lives. Spending on infrastructure is a fundamental responsibility of a community. A lot of money will also be taken in from those who force others to live in a polluted world.
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (July 02, 2009 2:00 am ET)
               
            I guess you weren't here when we were debating warrantless wiretapping or invading a country that didn't attack us, or when the SCOTUS intervened in the Florida recount. All great examples of government overstepping. Need more?
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      • Author by LuvLuLu (July 01, 2009 9:26 pm ET)
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        No, it's actually not in the bill. There's nothing in the bill that says that homeowners must pay to retrofit their homes before they sell them.

        At some point in time, homes are supposed to be retrofitted. It doesn't say who will pay for it and when it has to be done.

        Wrong again, RightON.
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    • Author by chriswolfe (July 01, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
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      Hey Americans, aren't you sick of all this crap yet?
      Of course it is in the 1400 page bill. Speaking of another Bill that was not read by elected officaials...
      God Bless America, we really need him if this mess.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (July 01, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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        Another statement of great sureity. If its there I'm sure some public spirited republican staffer will ferret it out shortly.
        In the mean time, "When in danger, or in doubt. Run in circles, scream and shout!"
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      • Author by HughG (July 02, 2009 7:33 pm ET)
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        It is, is it? What page? Please quote the relevant part of the bill.

        We're waiting...
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    • Author by John Paradox (July 01, 2009 9:23 pm ET)
         
      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:27:./temp/~c111wgRtt4:e422235:
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    • Author by center-right (July 01, 2009 9:48 pm ET)
         
      Can anyone say for sure if it is in the bill or not?
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    • Author by terrapin53 (July 01, 2009 10:30 pm ET)
         
      My understanding is most of the tax revenue from this bill will get rebated back to the tax payer so they can do some retrofitting. What you will not hear any conservative say is the word rebate when they talk about this legislation. There is nothing that says you have to be "green" before you sell squat. States will come up with some kinda plan and rebates will help you pay for it. I will question whether anyone can force you to "green' your property. However, when you see the savings it will generate, as I have seen with my houses over the years, you will want to do some stuff. Just this year I bought a new storm door, energy rated to fit the stim bill and I will get a 30% tax credit or about $133 back on what I paid for the door. Not a bad deal if you ask me, since I needed a new one anyway.
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      • Author by twseattle (July 02, 2009 7:52 am ET)
           
        Now that's a hoot, the elephants are stampeding to crush it trumpeting 'government intrusion!' and 'runaway spending!' when it turns out to be a TAX CUT. Proving how easily manipulated they are by a headline to go into full attack mode. Would the same article with a headline like "Pelosi tax rebate rules outlined" get as much of a reaction? Or would we get to enjoy hearing them argue against a tax cut? BTW its a tax cut that also benefits contractors and builders, not usually known to be democratic supporters.
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    • Author by National_Insecurity (July 02, 2009 2:12 am ET)
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      Can we pass legislation that requires a logo bug in the lower right corner of the TV image that indicates FICTIONAL CONTENT so that we don't end up with these kinds of specious speculation run amok.

      We might call it truth in labeling, identical to claiming 1520 calorie Carl's Jr. Double Six Dollar Burger is a low calorie, low fat health food.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (July 02, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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      I have looked and looekd and searched on some key words and yes, this is a state issue for them to decide how to best implement energy ratings for residences, but nowhere can I find you have to have a rating to sell your house. There is so much stuff in that bill to help people with the finances of making their homes energy efficient, I think it's great. If you still cannot afford it, again, I see nothing that says you MUST upgrade or else. YOu right wing whackos need to read the bill, especially section 200 and subtitle C. Don't expect Rush, Glenn, Levin and Sean to read it.
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      • Author by Blue Dog (July 02, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
           
        FINALLY! Thank you!

        I've been reading it too (section 202, pp. 324-346).

        Not only can I not find any references to owners being required to make these changes, I HAVE read that this is an INCENTIVE program. If you WANT to upgrade your house, the gov will help you do it, to the tune of 50%, depending on the changes you want to make.
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        • Author by center-right (July 02, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
             
          Thanks for the link.
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        • Author by right ON (July 02, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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          Requiring homeowners to pay for their upgrades, or telling them that the government (we, the taxpayers) will pay some of it is none of the govt's business period.
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          • Author by Blue Dog (July 02, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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            Well, you've got two different things going on in that statement. First, no one is "requiring homeowners to pay for their upgrades" because the upgrades are not required.

            Second, sure: the argument can be made that the gov should not offer incentives to influence the behavior of it's citizens. But how far would you take it? Do you think that tax write-offs for charitable donations, medical expenses, children, etc. should go away? What about the G.I. bill? These are all examples of the gov saying to us, "If you do 'X' for us, we'll do 'Y' for you."

            I'm not seeing what's wrong with this relationship.
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            • Author by right ON (July 02, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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              There are conflicting reports as to the wording and to what is actually in this bill or not, so that is still up in the air. I don't accept it is not in the bill. Bottom line, I don't want the government to tell me to upgrade my windows before I can sell my home. Period. And I don't want to pay for someone else to put windows in their home before they sell it. Period.
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              • Author by HughG (July 02, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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                The link has been posted. You are free to read it, and to comment once you've taken the time to become informed.

                Or, alternatively, you can keep posting your opinion without having learned anything--essentially proudly wallowing in your ignorance.

                Your choice.
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          • Author by Salamandastron (July 02, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
               
            Wrong again: this is exactly the government's business. The purpose of the bill is to cut overall energy usage (among other things) and if it can do so by helping individuals do their part to cut energy usage, that's all to the good. Seems it's doing it pretty unintrusively, too.
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            • Author by right ON (July 02, 2009 3:31 pm ET)
                 
              No it is not. I don't need the government to mandate my personal private behavior by being the energy police. If I can pay for it, I can use it. It is not your business to tell me I can't. I know liberals love to control people's lives, but this is not their business.
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              • Author by AngryLib (July 02, 2009 3:51 pm ET)
                   
                "There are conflicting reports as to the wording and to what is actually in this bill or not, so that is still up in the air. I don't accept it is not in the bill"

                One of the conflicting reports is the report we are talking about RIGHT now. This really isn't that complicated, if you are willing to accept that these "conflicting reports" are intentionally misleading. That's what sites like this do. They inform the public as to which reports are incorrect so people like you can no longer use them as justifications for your arguments.

                A simple answer would be for you to actually read the pertinent section of the proposed bill, which would have taken you less time than the time it took you to re-iterate your mistaken point... over and over. At least it took me less time, my god, its only twenty-two pages.

                But you "don't accept that is not in the bill." So why bother reading it? Does the truth make your head hurt?

                Oh, and by the way, there is a difference between REQUIRING people to retrofit their homes or businesses, and ENCOURAGING it. Pick up a dictionary.
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                • Author by right ON (July 02, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
                     
                  This site has yet to say it was or was not in the bill, so you are mistaken. This particular thread deals only with a headline, not the bills details. So I will wait for an independent source to verify if it is or not. Thank you.
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                  • Author by AngryLib (July 02, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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                    Be your own independent source and read the section of the bill that deals with this topic. I did. I admit that no government bill is a "real page-turner", but its worth the time to know the truth.
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                    • Author by right ON (July 02, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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                      It's so damn complicated that you can tell the regulators and the lobbyists wrote it, why do you think it's so vague and confusing, typical legislation. We will see.
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              • Author by Salamandastron (July 02, 2009 9:20 pm ET)
                   
                I understand that. There are a some misanthropes who won't help out their friends and neighbors -- they just shut the door when you ask, or don't even open it in the first place. In this case, it's our fellow Americans who could use a little help. Remember New Orleans? Some of the right-wing folks said "tough... I didn't build a house there" ... same kind of thing isn't it? Now, if there were private charitable organizations that would fund these operations, I guess I'd agree with you; until then, sorry, only the government's big enough to do it. Please stop whining about having to pay your dues to be an American.
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            • Author by anotheramerican (July 02, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
                 
              Even though Congress says the states are responsible for carrying out the retrofits, the EPA and the Department of Energy will establish the guidelines and rules for doing so.

              “The Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, shall establish goals, guidelines, practices, and standards for accomplishing the purpose stated in subsection (c) [the retrofits],” the bill says.

              The program would involve a system of certified auditors, inspectors, and raters who inspect homes and businesses using devices such as infrared cameras (which measure how much heat a building is giving off) to measure their energy efficiency.

              The results of these energy audits would then be used to determine what retrofits need to be performed. The audits would examine things like water usage, infrared photography, and pressurized testing to determine the efficiency of door and window seals, and indoor air quality.

              Those retrofits would be performed by licensed retrofit contractors using government-approved methods and resources including roofing materials that reflect solar energy.

              “uilding retrofits conducted pursuant to a REEP program utilize, especially in all air-conditioned buildings, roofing materials with high solar energy reflectance,” the legislation states.

              After the retrofitting is complete, the government – state, local, or federal – will come back and re-inspect the house to determine how much energy has been saved and whether the retrofit is up to federal government standards.

              http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message829090/pg1
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              • Author by anotheramerican (July 02, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
                   
                Sal,
                That doesn't sound very unobtrusive to me.
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                • Author by Blue Dog (July 02, 2009 3:54 pm ET)
                     
                  Dude, read the whole section. Those steps that you listed only happen if the owner wants to be partially reimbursed for the upgrades.

                  If you don't want to participate in the program, DON'T. But read it yourself before you comment.
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                • Author by right ON (July 02, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
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                  It's not. It's ridiculous. The government has far better things to do with it's time than sit there and run our lives concerning how much energy we use. Can you imagine the bureaucratic costs with such nonsense. Secure our borders, build our roads, protect our streets from crime and our homes from fires and keep your buttinsky liberal noses out of my personal business.
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                  • Author by terrapin53 (July 02, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
                       
                    Hey right on. The way I look at this is when I need a new roof and I will get tax rebates if I put on a cool roof versus a regular roof, I think I will take the cool roof. If even after the rebate I break even on the costs between the two, I still make out in lower utility bills. I think that is all this bill is doing. You don't wanna play, pay the higher energy costs. But when you want to sell and all the other houses for sale did play, don't expect your house to sell for the same price.
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                  • Author by eweston8542983 (July 02, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
                       
                    Your energy use is also your personal business? How intriguing.
                    Does your signifiant other know this?
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                  • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 7:21 am ET)
                       
                    Unless its with a warrantless wiretap
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              • Author by center-right (July 02, 2009 3:50 pm ET)
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                wow. That sounds very scary!!
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                • Author by HughG (July 02, 2009 7:46 pm ET)
                     
                  Yeah. Conservation / efficient use of resources is a threat to our very way of life!

                  Run away!
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          • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 7:17 am ET)
               
            That isnt your call PERIOD. If you dont like it then get YOUR guys to win an election or two. We won the elections WE get to decide how to spend the money. If you dont like it then you know how we felt the last 8 years
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    • Author by dusaa1975 (July 03, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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      If the democrats in the house do not need to read this bill, why should the voters?? Just take it on faith...it is good for you
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    • Author by had enough (July 04, 2009 10:58 am ET)
         
      THIS IS SICK, SICK, SICK
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