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July 02, 2009 5:57 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Guest-hosting The O'Reilly Factor, Juan Williams did not challenge Bernie Goldberg's false claims about global warming.

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During a July 1 O'Reilly Factor discussion about whether "the liberal media" are helping President Obama "advance his energy agenda by spreading global warming propaganda," guest host Juan Williams advanced falsehoods about global warming. Williams did not challenge Fox News contributor Bernie Goldberg when he falsely claimed that if journalists "did some real reporting, they would find out that in the past 10 years, the world temperatures haven't gone up." But climate scientists reject the idea that the fact that, in most datasets, annual global average temperatures have not surpassed their 1998 level is any indication that global warming is slowing or does not exist. Scientists have identified a long-term warming trend spanning several decades that is independent from the normal climate variability -- which includes relatively short-term changes in climate due to events like El Niño and La Niña -- to which they attribute the recent relatively cooler temperatures. Williams also did not challenge Goldberg's assertion that "this is déjà vu all over again. This is the 1970s, when journalists warned us of another climate, you know, catastrophe that was coming. That time it was global cooling. And they warned us of the coming ice age. They were wrong about that." But it is false to suggest, as Goldberg does, that in the 1970s there was a widespread scientific belief that the Earth was cooling that is tantamount to the current scientific consensus on global warming.

As Media Matters for America has noted, in a February 11 Guardian op-ed, Vicky Pope, the head of climate change advice at the U.K. Met Office Hadley Centre, wrote that claims about the pace of global warming based only on developments in the past 10 years or in the 1990s are not valid, "since natural variations always occur on this timescale." She continued, "1998 was a record-breaking warm year as long-term man-made warming combined with a naturally occurring strong El Niño. In contrast, 2008 was slightly cooler than previous years partly because of a La Niña. Despite this, it was still the 10th warmest on record." According to the Met Office, "Over the last ten years, global temperatures have warmed more slowly than the long-term trend. But this does not mean that global warming has slowed down or even stopped. It is entirely consistent with our understanding of natural fluctuations of the climate within a trend of continued long-term warming." This long-term trend can be seen in this graph of annual global average temperatures from the U.K. Met Office Hadley Centre:

globaltemp

Moreover, Goldberg's evocation of 1970s media reports about global cooling falsely suggests that the scientific basis for those reports is equivalent to the current scientific consensus on global warming. A September 2008 article in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society (a peer-reviewed publication) investigated the "pervasive myth" that "there was a consensus among climate scientists of the 1970s that either global cooling or a full-fledged ice age was imminent." The article found:

A review of the climate science literature from 1965 to 1979 shows this myth to be false. The myth's basis lies in a selective misreading of the texts both by some members of the media at the time and by some observers today. In fact, emphasis on greenhouse warming dominated the scientific literature even then.

The Bulletin also noted several other "examples of modern writers perpetuating the myth of the 1970s global cooling scientific consensus."

In addition, Williams criticized CBS correspondent Scott Pelley's reported statement that, in Williams' words, "when he was doing a piece about global warming, he would not, in fact, interview anybody who had any doubts as to the veracity of the global warming charge. He said that would be like doing a piece about the Holocaust and talking to Holocaust deniers." In fact, the 2006 CBS article in which Pelley's comments were reported also reported that Pelley "says he tried hard to find a respected scientist who contradicted the prevailing opinion in the scientific community, but there was no one out there who fit that description." From the March 23, 2006, CBS article:

Pelley's most recent report, like his first, did not pause to acknowledge global warming skeptics, instead treating the existence of global warming as an established fact. I again asked him why. "If I do an interview with Elie Wiesel," he asks, "am I required as a journalist to find a Holocaust denier?" He says his team tried hard to find a respected scientist who contradicted the prevailing opinion in the scientific community, but there was no one out there who fit that description. "This isn't about politics or pseudo-science or conspiracy theory blogs," he says. "This is about sound science."

But doesn't the fact that there are a lot of Americans who are skeptical of global warming -- not well respected scientists, perhaps, but ordinary people watching the segment -- warrant at least some recognition of the other side? "There becomes a point in journalism where striving for balance becomes irresponsible," says Pelley.

From the July 1 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

WILLIAMS: In the "Impact" segment tonight: Is the liberal media helping Barack Obama advance his energy agenda by spreading global warming propaganda? Joining us now from North Carolina, my friend Bernie Goldberg, the author of the best-selling book A Slobbering Love Affair. Bernie, thanks so much for coming in.

GOLDBERG: My pleasure, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Now, Bernie, I don't know if you saw this, but Scott Pelley of 60 Minutes recently wrote that when he was doing a piece about global warming, he would not, in fact, interview anybody who had any doubts as to the veracity of the global warming charge. He said that would be like doing a piece about the Holocaust and talking to Holocaust deniers. Can you believe this?

GOLDBERG: Yeah. Yeah, I can, because I read the interview and I saw the piece he did. It was a completely one-sided piece about global warming. And when he was questioned about it, he said precisely what you just reported -- that if I interview somebody who believes in the Holocaust, do I have to find in the name of balance a Holocaust denier?

This amounts to journalistic malpractice. That -- it's as simple as that. Journalists need to do a little reporting and not merely be cheerleaders for Al Gore and Barack Obama's version of manmade global warming. And if they did some reporting, they would learn that the number of skeptics of manmade global warming is rising. It's growing, the number of skeptics. And these include some very prestigious scientists.

But you don't see a lot of that on Page 1 of the newspaper. And if they did some real reporting, they would find out that in the past 10 years, the world temperatures haven't gone up but may have even come down a little bit. But you don't hear that on the evening news.

Juan, we're going -- this is déjà vu all over again. This is the 1970s, when journalists warned us of another climate, you know, catastrophe that was coming. That time it was global cooling. And they warned us of the coming ice age. They were wrong about that. They never looked back. They never apologized. And if and when they're wrong about this, they'll just move on to the next crisis.

WILLIAMS: Now, Bernie -- Bernie, let me just protect you. You're not saying they're wrong. You're just saying there are two sides to the story. Because the U.N. scientists, the G-8 scientists, they've all said that air temperatures are rising, ocean temperatures are rising. You see ice caps melting. You're not saying you know. You're just saying, let's give everybody a fair say.

GOLDBERG: Yeah, thank you for -- thank you for clarifying that. I am, needless to say, I am not a scientist. I am willing to accept that there are two sides to this story, and both sides have legitimate scientists arguing their point. But you wouldn't know that from the mainstream media.

WILLIAMS: All right, so Bernie --

GOLDBERG: Not by and large, anyway.

WILLIAMS: Bernie, let me ask you about the politics of this, because to me, the numbers are very interesting. If I am talking to Republicans -- Republicans, Bernie -- 60 -- I think it's something like 48 percent say yes to global warming. There is global warming.

If I'm talking to independents, 67 percent say, "Yes, there is global warming." But if I'm talking to Democrats, Bernie Goldberg, then I'm up to 87 percent say yes to global warming.

Why do you get 48 percent of Republicans saying, "Yeah, it might be global warming," but 87 percent of Democrats? Why the politics around this?

GOLDBERG: That's a very good question. I think it has something to do with the media again. Republicans are less likely to believe or accept hook, line, and sinker what the media tells them. And liberal Democrats are more likely to believe it because a lot of the media is made up of liberal Democrats.

So, I think -- I think the filter that we get this global warming that it comes through is the media. And a lot of us on the right, we don't trust the media as much as liberal Democrats do.

And again, Juan, the media gets a lot of these things wrong. They got global cooling wrong. Why should we necessarily believe that they got this story right? And what bothers me the most about this is that they have absolutely fallen into line with Al Gore's version of global warming -- that it's manmade, case closed, I don't want to hear about it. Scott Pelley's example is the best one you can come up with.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, so you're an "Earth is flat" kind of person if you disagree with Al Gore. All right, let me move on --

GOLDBERG: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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    • Author by shaggles (July 02, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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      OK. It's one thing appearing on Fox as a panelist. Guest hosting for O'Reilly is too much. NPR needs to get rid of this guy.
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      • Author by mjtanner5260 (July 02, 2009 6:29 pm ET)
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        Yep, my continued contributions are going to depend on it. Everyone knows that Faux is the mouthpiece for the wacko far-right (Williams knows.) and throwing in with that bunch forever taints a journalist credibility.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 02, 2009 6:49 pm ET)
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        Agree

        Williams should be canned. He can make plenty of money being Ted Baxter's sidekick.

        To let Goldberg spread this kind of crap uncontested just shows how far in the tank Williams is for the GOP.
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (July 03, 2009 3:50 am ET)
             
          Williams has a contract with NPR. As soon as it's up, he's toast. He knows that, which is why he so blatantly pushes the envelope-- he knows he can get away with it.
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      • Author by HughG (July 02, 2009 7:01 pm ET)
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        Yeah; when he appears on NPR Radio, he (mostly) plays it straight. However, his appearances on Faux do damage NPR's credibility, because many reports begin with "NPR's Juan Williams says...", followed by something that he said on Fox.
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        • Author by harley (July 02, 2009 7:21 pm ET)
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          Yeah; when he appears on NPR Radio, he (mostly) plays it straight. However, his appearances on Faux do damage NPR's credibility,
          Because Williams is a classic and predictable Faux "Democrat", i.e., a Democrat that hates Democrats.
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (July 03, 2009 3:51 am ET)
               
            You mean like Tammy Bruce?
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            • Author by harley (July 03, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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              Anyone that actually voted for herr dubyah and admitted to doing so, I would hardly classify as a "Democrat".
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 03, 2009 7:48 am ET)
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          Does Gloria Borger fall into the same category when she does double duty on CNN or CBS?
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      • Author by my4cents (July 02, 2009 10:03 pm ET)
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        NPR needs to get rid of him and Mara Liasson.
        While they are in Fix News studios, these people are aware that, given half a chance, every host on Fox News denigrates NPR. Yet, they are there every day saying one thing on Fix News and another on NPR.
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    • Author by haywood jabuzoff (July 02, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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      So let me get this straight. During an interview involving an accusation of poor journalism, the interviewer interjects this statement on behalf of the interviewee: Let me just protect you on this …

      Poor journalism indeed.
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (July 02, 2009 7:24 pm ET)
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      I love how he brings up the statistics about how Democrats have the highest number of "believers in global warming".

      What about numbers like these?

      "Likewise, when people were asked if the U.S. had “clear evidence” that Saddam Hussein was “working closely with al Queda,” similar results were found. Only 16% of NPR and PBS listeners/viewers believed that the U.S. has such evidence, while 67% of Fox News viewers were under that mistaken impression."
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      • Author by only_myschly3567 (July 02, 2009 7:26 pm ET)
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        Oops, didn't preview, why can't I edit?

        It got weird because of the quotes within the quote =/
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        • Author by pete592 (July 02, 2009 7:33 pm ET)
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          The previews don't indicate what's going to change when you copy and paste from another site. I tried pasting into Notepad first, then copying from Notepad hoping that would "scrub" the text of cryptic characters, but that doesn't work either. The only sure way I've found is to replace all quote marks and apostrophe's by hand after you've pasted it. I wish MMFA would fix this problem.
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        • Author by my4cents (July 02, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
             
          Your observations are correct.
          "why can't I edit?" This web site uses third party tools that are not too user friendly, with out verifying they work. Sometimes, I click a 100 times and nothing happens. Other times, my post appears 100 times.
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        • Author by mefirst (July 03, 2009 9:45 am ET)
             
          they revamped their comments section a couple months ago. the previous version was much more user friendly and there was nothing wrong with it. the old saying is if it isn't broken, don't fix it. they fixed it.
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    • Author by pete592 (July 02, 2009 7:27 pm ET)
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      Will NPR finally pull its head out and kick this guy to the curb already?
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    • Author by ajzito (July 02, 2009 8:02 pm ET)
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      Three or four years ago I wrote an email to my NPR station in Albany excoriating Williams for filthying himself by appearing on Fox, (which they forwarded to him as I anticipated). Little did I know that he was on the way to total degeneration. Now it is NPR which is debased by continuing to employ Williams, who has devolved into a trash peddler. To hell with him.
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    • Author by roongadc (July 03, 2009 12:18 am ET)
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      Global warming's misconceptions were addressed years ago. Here are two links: http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/ and http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/14/161152.shtml

      For change we really need, find suggestions here: http://obamaprayers.blogspot.com
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      • Author by mary59 (July 03, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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        O'Reilly fill-in roongadic provides platform for global warming misinformation, as well as bullsh*t blog for right-wing talking points disguised as prayers.

        For change we really need, send some prayers that go deeper than your egocentric partisanship.
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      • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 3:05 am ET)
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        Newsmax????? Yeah THAT is a great destination for those interested in the SCIENCE. Obamaprayers? I hope you are kidding and not that demented.
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        • Author by bilbo_dies (July 04, 2009 11:14 pm ET)
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          Oh, come on. Don't you like sites that compare actual greenhouses to the term greenhouse gas? Gee, just because the main function of a greenhouse is too be warmer, because it holds the heat in, and greenhouse gases make the earth warmer by (wait for hit) holding the heat in!!!

          I know, that isn't very detailed or scientific but; it is the 4th of July and I like firworks. Ohhh!! There goes another.
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      • Author by LuvLuLu (July 04, 2009 7:31 pm ET)
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        Yeah, don't even bother going to those links. It's like non-climatologists tried to act like they understand the concepts and the impacts.
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    • Author by tjmccool2284 (July 03, 2009 1:24 am ET)
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      Goldberg claims that the number of skeptics "is rising" but fails to mention any of them only that they include some prominent scientists.

      He claims that "the media" reported global cooling in the 70s which shows once again why he simply can't be trusted. Newsweek did a story about global cooling but virtually no one else did. Newsweek Itself:.(As Sharon Begley writes in this week's cover, however, we are living in a very different time. On global cooling, there was never anything even remotely approaching the current scientific consensus that the world is growing warmer...

      And this also from Newsweek:The point to remember, says Connolley, is that predictions of global cooling never approached the kind of widespread scientific consensus that supports the greenhouse effect today.



      Then, to cap things off, Goldberg claims that Democrats believe the media as if Goldberg's obsession doesn't color his views on the topic (and Juan stares off into space) while igoring the polling cited that 48% of Republicans believe global warming to be real. Sure, bernie, when half of the people who posess more critical thinking skills agree that global warming exists, isn't it time to get on the bus?

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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 03, 2009 7:58 am ET)
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        Newsweek did a story about global cooling but virtually no one else did


        Well, that's not quite true. The Newsweek article is trotted out and I'll give you it was probably the catalyst for the hysteria, but as a person who remembers the 70's very clearly (not sure if you fall into that age demo! ) I can tell you that it was carried by both major networks (we only got two of three in the country) and whole bunch of other outlets.

        When the rabbit ears were working and we could pull in PBS, Carl Sagan's COSMOS series was big on pushing the next Ice Age as was several pulp fiction books of the time.

        Not trying to sharp shoot you here, but I distinctly remember the hype being bigger than just one national rag article.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (July 03, 2009 9:57 am ET)
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          From wikipedia:

          He (Sagan) also mentioned that this (new Ice Age) may be counteracted and overcome by the release of greenhouse gases

          And your further evidence is "fiction" books.

          Too easy. Took me 30 seconds using the google.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 03, 2009 10:23 am ET)
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            Totally missed the point fog. I never presented the books (I did say PULP FICTION...read the post before hitting reply :) ) as evidence.

            All I'm saying is in the 70's the coming of the next ICE AGE was all over TEE VEE and PRINT and DA NEWS.

            That's all I was pointing out. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with WHAT was put out.

            Now you can call off the dogs...
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            • Author by vhw28672478 (July 03, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
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              there is no proof for global cooling
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            • Author by mary59 (July 03, 2009 5:28 pm ET)
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              I'm giving you a thumbs up for an honest and reasonable observation. The media likes to drum up drama, and always has, even if scientists were merely speculating.

              They're doing much more than that now.
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            • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 6:55 am ET)
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              NO it wasnt. There were a few articles in a few magazines talking about the possibility. To pretend it was like the scientific consensus on Global Warming is ludicrous on the face of it.
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              • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 04, 2009 7:20 am ET)
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                Good grief, some of you would argue about how the sun rises! Nobody is saying there was a consensus on GC, just that the HYPE in the 70's of the coming ICE AGE was all the rage.

                That's all we're saying...just say'n.

                If you don't remember the 70's you were either too young or too stoned... :)
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                • Author by chris1795 (July 04, 2009 9:24 am ET)
                     
                  I remember the cooling scare of the 70s quite well--and quite wrongly. It was bigger than just the Newsweek article, as you say, but if you actually look back at those articles, you'll see that practically no one was predicting an ice age in the near term; they were either noting that an ice age is inevitable in the long term or, more often, talking about the observed cooling that began in the 40s.

                  Here's a classic example: the 1974 Time article headlined "Another Ice Age?" Read it carefully--there are no predictions of an ice age, no matter what the headline implies.

                  The Newsweek piece is a bit more gloomy, but even there you'll be hard pressed to come up with any predictions; it's mostly speculation on what would happen if the observed trends continued. The word "predictions" appears only once, and it's not at all clear what predictions he's talking about. It could very well be the prediction that food output would drop in the event of sustained cooling, which is what he talks about in the previous paragraph.
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                • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
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                  If YOU remember global cooling all over the TV print and news then YOU were living in an alternate reality or so drunk so much of the time you hallucinated it and THAT is one of the points this thread makes that Goldberg suggested EXACTLY that.
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                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 05, 2009 10:13 am ET)
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                    Just because you were cuddled up in the basement with the latest issue of Science Mag and knew the "truth" doesn't mean the rest of us out living life didn't see the "hype" that was clearly being pushed by INSERT MEDIA HERE!

                    Not sure how you can say those of us that saw it, whether we believed it or not (I tended not to believe) are living in some altered reality?

                    Perception is a funny thing...
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                    • Author by solon (July 05, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
                         
                      Just because you are a brainwashed idiot that began hallucinating global cooling being all over the TV and News as soon as Rush TOLD you to believe it doesnt mean those of us who are NOT brainwashed cells of the Limborg hivemind dont remember reality. Just because you have convinced yourself that if you repeat your delusional fantasies enough they will magically become true doesnt mean NORMAL HUMANS are going to be convinced. I remember the 70's the REAL 70's not your brainwashed delusional version and there was NO global cooling scare all over the TV and news. No matter how often you repeat this LIE it wont magically become true.

                      True perception is a funny thing. I am often amazed at how you lemmings REMEMBER things that never happened because you are TOLD to believe it
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                • Author by LuvLuLu (July 04, 2009 7:32 pm ET)
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                  This is a false talking point.
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    • Author by captfoster2 (July 03, 2009 3:09 am ET)
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      What I would like answered is this:

      Who could possibly take the word of a 3rd rate blowhard like Bernie Goldberg's (or that of a propaganda machine like Fox-Noise) word over that of highly skilled non-politically motivated scientists who have been following this stuff for decades?

      It pains me to think that even one of my fellow citizens can be so brainless to even consider such idiocy!!

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    • Author by jayhammers (July 03, 2009 6:03 am ET)
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      I hate listening to this guy. He's a complete and utter moron spewing nothing but misinformation from his empty skull.
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    • Author by MikeW67 (July 03, 2009 5:50 pm ET)
         
      The skepticism may be coming from the fact that this winter and the last several have involved near-record cold for the Midwest and Northeast. It's irrelevant, we have to move to biofuels anyway -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints -- awesome satellite camera view of earth
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    • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 9:15 pm ET)
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      And how about the 'settled science' of it all. In fact it's about Solar Forcing algore.

      From: E. Bard and M. Frank (2006). Climate change and solar variability: What's new under the sun? Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 248, 1-14.

      "Overall, studies of cosmogenic isotopes indicate that
      solar minima have been numerous and that the Sun has
      spent much of the last millennium in calm phases,
      conceivably exhibiting an irradiance several ‰ weaker
      than at present. Solar fluctuations appear to have been
      involved in causing widespread climatic changes, such
      as the Medieval Warm Period (900–1400 A.D.) or the
      subsequent Little Ice Age (1500–1800 A.D.) [5,45,48].
      Climate models give results for the solar forcing that
      are in line with their sensitivity to CO2 increases. For a
      forcing corresponding to an activity minimum, the
      models indicate coolings of a few tenths of a degree


      Astrophysical data demonstrate that the Sun has been
      variable in activity and radiative output. Unfortunately,
      precise data are limited to the satellite era, i.e. after 1978.
      Looking at the solar variability over this short period
      only provides a small range of solar forcing, e.g. 1‰ of
      the total irradiance over the 11-yr activity cycle.
      Conflicting views exist about a multi-decadal trend
      in irradiance and a possible link between solar activity
      and cloud cover. Acquiring data over the next solar
      minimum may contribute to answering both of these
      questions. Moreover, the hypothetical effect of cosmic
      rays on cloud formation is poorly understood and
      requires further research efforts.
      Solar records are intrinsically incomplete for periods
      prior to the past three decades. Thus models are used to
      relate various proxies to the climatic forcing of the Sun.
      Several studies clearly suggest that solar output has
      varied on a time scale longer than the 11-yr sunspot
      cycle. It appears that solar fluctuations were involved in
      causing widespread but limited climatic changes, such
      as the Little Ice Age (1500–1800 A.D.) that followed
      the Medieval Warm Period (900–1400 A.D.).
      Beyond the past four centuries of telescopic
      observations of the Sun, the main tool for evaluating
      solar activity is provided by cosmogenic nuclides. The
      production of these isotopes is modulated by the
      magnetic properties of the solar wind, which can be
      ultimately linked to solar activity. After their formation,
      cosmogenic isotopes are transported in the atmosphere
      and the ocean before being buried in various archives.
      These processes make the interpretation more complicated.
      Nevertheless, studies of cosmogenic isotopes
      generally agree in indicating numerous solar activity
      minima in the past, with the Sun passing a large part of
      its history in calm phases, conceivably with an irradiance
      several ‰ weaker than the present-day value.
      Several recent studies have attempted to extract solar
      changes over periods of ten thousands [64] to hundreds
      of thousand years [83]. On such time scales, cosmogenic
      nuclide production is largely modulated by slow variations
      of the Earth's magnetic field. The currently available
      reconstructions of geomagnetic field intensity and
      cosmogenic nuclide production are still not sufficiently
      precise to extract a meaningful solar component. To
      apply this approach, we await more reliable and longer
      records of both cosmogenic nuclide production and
      geomagnetic field intensity of the past."


      Sorry algore, its far from settled unless you consider this the first scientific endeavor to stop in its tracks, closed to any different data and ending any scientific inquiry in the future.
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      • Author by my4cents (July 03, 2009 10:19 pm ET)
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        Cut and paste is so easy once you believe something. Even if you cannot understand a word of what you are pasting. Curious, do you get paid to do this? Why do you do it? If not,
        Please explain what this means.
        "The currently available
        reconstructions of geomagnetic field intensity and
        cosmogenic nuclide production are still not sufficiently
        precise to extract a meaningful solar component."
        And you go on to blame Al Gore for what, I cannot even guess.
        If you do not understand something, that does not mean it is true.
        And your posting handle is a great disservice to any conservative.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 04, 2009 1:11 am ET)
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        I think ProudCons nuclide production has collided with his sun spots...

        This has created a "little ice age." In other words...his brain froze.
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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 04, 2009 8:08 am ET)
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        Thanks for the factually-challenged fairy tales.
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      • Author by chris1795 (July 04, 2009 9:03 am ET)
           
        Here's a rule of thumb I've developed over many years of participation in Internet climate discussions:

        "As soon as someone mentions Al Gore in the context of climate change, you can stop reading because that person has nothing to contribute to the discussion."

        The rule of thumb is automatically doubled when "Al Gore" becomes "algore" or "Al Bore" or anything similar.

        Gore's not a scientist, he didn't come up with the idea, and he doesn't publish scholarly articles in peer-reviewed journals. In short, Al Gore has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not climate science is right about AGW. This is like saying, "World War II is a hoax because I don't like my history teacher."
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      • Author by baba19 (July 04, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
           
        Your study has everything to do with the use of cosmogenic nuclides in solar activity modeling and nothing to do with global climate change. While it was a nice Limbaugh-esque attempt at misrepresenting the facts of a study to support your claim, you failed in even that regard by supplying us a study that loosely applies to the conversation. You would have done better by posting a MAXXIM article and making the same claim.
        You get a C- in Neo-Con rhetoric.
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      • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 8:43 pm ET)
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        You are just a brainwashed troll. Incapable of actual higher brain function. You cant make a post without regurgitating stupidity like the Rush algore thing. Your posts are worthless trolling. You ONLY care about attacking liberals. No fact will penetrate the cinderblock of your head and you dont even CARE what is true. Only denigrating the left matters to you. You are pathetic
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        • Author by jstephens005 (July 05, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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          Solon,

          Why do you continue to argue this point. You know as well as I do that for every "scientist" you produce that supports this THEORY, I can produce an equal number that say its bunk.

          Do you really think you are going to convince an intelligent conservative that this THEORY is correct? I will never convince you of any common sense, and you will never convince me on communism. Its a stalemate. :)

          But...I do like logging in here every once in a while to stir it up. What's the point if you just post with people who agree...?

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          • Author by mary59 (July 05, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
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            ? You actually think that Solon is a communist? Really? And that scientists overwhelmingly haven't concluded that the planet is warming as a result of human activity and we must act?

            And you really don't believe that getting this right is really, really important; much more so than logging into a web site every once in a while to stir it up....
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          • Author by solon (July 05, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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            No you cant. True you are not going to convince my your DELUSIONS are true. I dont care what you believe about Communism. You know less about common sense than my goldfish knows about quantum mechanics. I am not trying to convince you of anything. You can argue the point all you want. You can be stubborn and believe anything you want what you CANT do is cough up the SCIENCE to show the worldwide scientific consensus is WRONG. So be as uninformed and brainwashed as you want to be. It means nothing to me.
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    • Author by esscape (July 05, 2009 1:21 am ET)
         
      MORE MIS-INFORMATION
      Media Matters, the experts in research of global warming and non - partisan science in "climate change" - YOU are using the wrong graphs and holding back known evidence (as is NASA and other government funded groups) here is a link to a study from Harvard / Smithsonian that actually has scientist and did research
      http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/archive/pr0310.html

      you should also know about this:
      NASA Backtracks on 1998 Warmest Year Claim
      link for you next time - better yet, do it yourself
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    • Author by jpeagle21 (July 05, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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      Media matters continues to ignore the fact that there is no evidence that climate change is being cause by humans. It just isn't there.
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      • Author by mary59 (July 05, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
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        Now you're having a bit of fun, jpeagle, what a joker. Yep, no evidence on Faux Gnus, or Newsmax, or Heritage Foundation...can't exist anywhere.

        Except maybe here. Oops.
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