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July 07, 2009 12:40 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Geoff Colvin falsely suggested that a CBO estimate of the Senate HELP Committee's health care bill demonstrated that a public option would come at a "huge cost" for a "minor benefit" in the number insured.

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In a July 7 Washington Post column, Fortune magazine senior editor at large Geoff Colvin falsely suggested that a June 15 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimate of the Senate Health Committee's health care reform bill demonstrated that a public insurance option would come at a "huge cost" for a "minor benefit" in the number insured. In fact, the report Colvin cited was a preliminary analysis of an incomplete version of the bill, which did not include a public option. Moreover, Colvin did not note that CBO has since released a July 2 score of what Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA), the committee chairman, referred to as the "complete bill," which found greater coverage of uninsured for a lower cost than the prior score. It also found that, in the words of CBO director Douglas W. Elmendorf, the public option "did not have a substantial effect on the cost ... projection."

After citing a poll that found that Americans support the creation of a public option "by more than 3 to 1," Colvin wrote that "the respondents in that poll were opining about an idea, not hard facts." He continued:

Only after most of the polling was complete did the Congressional Budget Office release its bombshell evaluation of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's reform bill, which would just begin to do what the poll respondents so enthusiastically favored. The report's sobering bottom line: The bill would increase the federal deficit by $1 trillion over the next decade yet make only a dent in the number of uninsured, who would decline from 19 percent of the non-elderly population to 13 percent.

That combination -- huge cost, minor benefit -- is probably not what most people thought they'd be getting.

But in a letter accompanying the June 15 CBO analysis to which Colvin referred, Elmendorf wrote that CBO's cost figures "do not represent a formal or complete cost estimate for the draft legislation" [emphasis in original]. He continued: "The draft legislation released by the HELP [Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions] Committee ... indicates that certain features may be added at a later date. Because they are not reflected in the current draft, however, CBO and the JCT [Joint Committee on Taxation] staff did not take them into account." In particular, Elmendorf wrote: "The draft legislation ... indicates that the committee is considering whether to incorporate other features, including a 'public health insurance option' and requirements for 'shared responsibility' by employers. Depending on their details, such provisions could ... have substantial effects on our analysis."

Moreover, more people would be insured at a lower cost according to CBO's July 2 score of the HELP bill compared to the June 15 score of the incomplete bill. The June 15 estimate found that the bill would cost approximately $1 trillion and that 16 million fewer people would be uninsured compared to current law in 2019. The July 2 estimate found that the bill would cost roughly $611 billion and that 20 million fewer people would be uninsured compared to current law that year.

Elmendorf further explained in a July 2 letter to Kennedy about the score that the public option "did not have a substantial effect on the cost or enrollment projections, largely because the public plan would pay providers of health care at rates comparable to privately negotiated rates -- and thus was not projected to have premiums lower than those charged by private insurance plans in the exchanges."

From Colvin's column:

The latest polling data look great for President Obama: The numbers show that Americans love national health care. But if history and polling trends are any guide, however, that will change.

Voters right now are in what pollster Daniel Yankelovich called the Wishful Thinking stage -- a moment in the life of an opinion analogous to the dreamy early days of a relationship. Yankelovich believed that opinion evolved through seven stages: Dawning Awareness, Greater Urgency, Reaching for Solutions, Wishful Thinking, Weighing the Choices, Taking a Stand and Making a Responsible Judgment. In the next few weeks, when voters discover what national health care will cost and how it could affect their own care, romance will give way to reality.

Americans favor by more than 3 to 1 "the government offering everyone a government-administered health insurance plan that would compete with private health insurance plans" and other large-scale federal initiatives. At least that's what they thought as of mid-June in a New York Times-CBS News poll. But the respondents in that poll were opining about an idea, not hard facts.

Only after most of the polling was complete did the Congressional Budget Office release its bombshell evaluation of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's reform bill, which would just begin to do what the poll respondents so enthusiastically favored. The report's sobering bottom line: The bill would increase the federal deficit by $1 trillion over the next decade yet make only a dent in the number of uninsured, who would decline from 19 percent of the non-elderly population to 13 percent.

That combination -- huge cost, minor benefit -- is probably not what most people thought they'd be getting. Another bill, from the Senate Finance Committee, would cost still more. Legislators are scrambling for fixes, but even if they find them, they'll face a separate problem. Health-care reform is going to cost major dollars no matter what, and those dollars will have to be extracted mainly from those most able to pay: the top-earning 40 percent of the population. When these top earners figure out that they're being asked during a recession to shell out more -- through increased taxes, higher insurance premiums or other mechanisms -- for benefits that will go mostly to others, they won't be happy. And that top 40 percent knows how to make itself heard in Washington.

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    • Author by oshaunasy (July 07, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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      They are not only lying about the public plan, they have been lying all along about single payer which would save a third of the costs to all health care expenditures and provide all with health care benefits. But of course (and as usual)all the concern goes to the big corporations who say they can't compete with the government. Well if they can't compete then perhaps they should be taken off the playing field. Their idea of health care is to have a bunch of healthy people paying them premiums and the moment they get sick they are dropped like a sack of potatoes.
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      • Author by wesley (July 07, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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        -- single payer which would save a third of the costs to all health care expenditures -- oshaunasy

        -- If history is any indication, any single-payer initiative will end up costing much more than advocates claim...How do we know this will happen? Because single-payer health care has already been empirically tested on seniors in the United States...

        The federal government's lead actuary in 1965 projected that the hospital program (Medicare Part A) would grow to only $9 billion by 1990. The program ended up costing more than $66 billion that year...

        Just three years after Medicare was passed, a 1968 Tax Foundation study found that public spending on medical care had nearly doubled in the first few years of Medicare... -- Cato Institute



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        • Author by foghornleghorn (July 07, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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          All that tells me is the 1965 actuary was incorrect (or incompetent).

          It may cost more than is being projected, but wasn't paying more for medicare worth keeping Grandma and Grandpa healthy to enjoy their grandchildren?

          Profits vs. lives. That's the choice.
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        • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
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          So you're point is government should have stopped paying medical bills and let older folks die.
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    • Author by wesley (July 07, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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      Happy days are here again...mmfa trumpets the wonderful news that the program now costs just $611 Billion...that we don't have.

      But for those that think it's ok...here's a handy little rider to attach...since mmfa seems to think the CBO estimates infallible.

      At any point over the course of the next 10 years that the program exceeds the CBO estimate...the plan automatically dissolves itself over the following year.

      Are Kennedy and his supporters willing to put up or shut up?
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      • Author by solon (July 07, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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        Did MMFA say CBO was infallable or did they say the Wash Post article misstated the CBO assessment? Why dont we do that for EVERY program? The first time a Pentagon weapons program over runs its estimate that program ceases to exist? Every industrial country in the world offers a national healthcare program and every one of the pays LESS both per capita AND as a percentage of the GDP.
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        • Author by wesley (July 07, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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          I'll see your pentagon and raise you the entire federal budget...

          Other than that your reply has nothing what so ever to do with the fact that the program proposes to spend huge sums of money that we don't have...irrespective of the entire world and any health care programs on Mars.

          $611 Billion that turns into trillions once the legislation is passed and the feckless politicians masquerading as public servants turn their attention to more ways to waste tax payer money...that is the issue for me.
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          • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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            What's the appropriate cap for your fellow Americans' life and health?
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            • Author by anotheramerican (July 07, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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              A stocking cap. My grandmother made the best and they kept me warm and healthy in the cold Midwest winters.

              ps. Why should I be forced to pay for your 'life and health'? Why don't you pay for your own 'life and health'?
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              • Author by vhw28672478 (July 07, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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                you are wrong because we playing the health care anyway
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              • Author by solon (July 07, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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                Another Ebenezer Scrooge worshipper heard from. Why should I pay for a war I didnt support? Why should I pay for nuclear weapons I believe to be evil? Why should I pay for the corporate wellfare? You would rather your nieghbor DIE than it cost you any money? What a sad little person you are.
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                • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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                  I would also say that's anti-Christian behavior.
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                  • Author by mary59 (July 08, 2009 9:10 am ET)
                       
                    "Whatsoever ye do unto the least of my brethren, ye do it unto me."

                    Also, the good samaritan, the tale of Lazarus and the rich man, etc. etc. and the actions of Peter in the book of Acts.

                    AA certainly takes the role of the unenlightened Pharisee.

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              • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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                Why should I be forced to pay for your 'life and health'? Why don't you pay for your own 'life and health'?


                I'm in a union so you're not paying for mine.
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          • Author by LuvLuLu (July 07, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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            Your obsession with whether or not the projection will be accurate has nothing to do with Media Matters posting. So other than the fact that you were trying to derail the thread, you've got nothing.

            Please do not feed the troll any more.
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            • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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              But I like antagonizing them.
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              • Author by LuvLuLu (July 07, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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                Yeah, but the rest of us don't like giving them any power, and we don't like being forced to wade through their nonsense.
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                • Author by John Paradox (July 07, 2009 5:47 pm ET)
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                  Personally, I like to see the Neocons' views/talking points. "Know Your Enemy", and I carry a copy of The Art Of War (Sun Tzu) on my handheld.
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          • Author by solon (July 07, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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            Of COURSE it does. The indications are a public option could LOWER the costs. Therefore we are ALREADY spending on healthcare and a the indications are a public option could cost LESS. Unless you are saying we should stop spending on healthcare at ALL. We already kill 18,000 Americans a year from their lack of access to healthcare so unless you are saying we are poor and we need to increase THAT number than the fact a national health insurance would cost LESS is EXACTLY about the cost of the program.

            The issue for me is we are letting 18,000 Americans DIE from lack of access to healthcare and that needs to be addressed. The FACT that a national healthcare plan can do that and do it CHEAPER along with ending the competitive disadvantage our industries are at because THEY are providing the healthcare for their workers and their families means it is a good investment. Your FANTASIES about how much you THINK it will cost really isnt that compelling
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            • Author by wesley (July 07, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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              -- The indications are a public option could LOWER the costs -- solon

              I'll grant you this...those supporting Pres.Obama's health plan...are basing their belief on "indications".

              The hard numbers...which aren't indications but actual forecasts...point to spending over $600 billion that we don't have...setting aside the fed's history of turning a $600 billion program into trillions.

              Show me where large federal programs have ever performed at the cost forecasts...

              Show me how we're going to save $600 billion by lowering costs to pay for this massive spending...mind you now...I've seen all the indications...I'd like a little something firmer to stand on.
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              • Author by solon (July 07, 2009 6:25 pm ET)
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                What you are failing to take into account is we are already PAYING HEALTHCARE COSTS. They just are incidental to the budget. Everytime someone without means goes to an emergency room we PAY for them. By giving a public option to all it may cost that 600 million but there will be no uninsured we pay for the other way. We also save all those lives that are currently DYING because they dont have access to healthcare. We get increased productivity because people GET healthcare that dont have it so they see a doctor and miss less work. IF we can get a single payer system we get more increased productivity as our industries lose the competitive disadvantage I talked about earlier.

                We HAVE to spend the money. The alternative is a collapsed economy. It would be nice if we had taken on this healthcare crisis BEFORE we had this economic crisis but it is what it is. All we have is the estimate. YOU dont get to just SAY it is going to cost a trillion because you WISH it would and it would help your argument. We have an estimate. I would rather see a single payer system than just a single payer option but it is an investment in America and in Americans. THAT is what we SHOULD be spending money on. I am not willing to write off tens of thousands of Americans letting them DIE rather than spend the money to save their lives.
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                • Author by wesley (July 07, 2009 7:04 pm ET)
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                  It's not what I wish it to be...it's what the CBO says it will be.

                  While your argument is passionate...it's woefully short of details. You're really the one riding on hope and "indications"...about what you fervently wish it to be.

                  If you have any interest in going further...I'll be glad to read what you provide...unless it's just more of the same.

                  If that's the case...no sale on your "indications" of lower costs.
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                  • Author by solon (July 07, 2009 8:30 pm ET)
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                    BALONEY. The CBO said 600 billion you are WISHING the trillion.

                    It is pretty hard to go into specifics of a plan that doesnt exist yet so get real. I think it IS pretty relevant that the ENTIRE WORLD with a national healthcare plan pays less than we do.

                    I will post what I choose when I choose. I couldnt care less what you respond to or read. Keep pretending it is nothing but an indication rather than a RELEVANT FACT that the rest of the industrial world WITH a national healthcare plan pays LESS than we do.
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                    • Author by wesley (July 07, 2009 8:49 pm ET)
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                      A plan that doesn't exist? You mean the one that is going to save health care? The one that doesn't exist? Is that the one you keep talking about?

                      Or is it the indications of lower costs that you're hanging your hat on? The feel good pap doled out by many supporters of govt.health care? Are those the indications you're counting on?

                      Looks to me like an argument the religious zealots would count on...the one that requires all kinds of faith in lieu of tangible facts.

                      You're correct that you can keep posting...but until I see something more than rhetoric about indications, plans that don't exist and denial of $600 billion (soon to be trillions) that we don't have to spend...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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                      • Author by solon (July 07, 2009 11:09 pm ET)
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                        You are a joke. No SPECIFIC PLAN exists yet. They are still talking about if there will be ANY public option at ALL. The CBO looked at a public option. I keep talking about a single payer. However NO ACTUAL PLAN has come out of Congress.

                        Feel good pap? You mean the INDISPUTABLE FACT that every industrial country in the WORLD except us has a national healthcare system and ALL of them pay LESS for their healthcare? You can call this INDISPUTABLE FACT whatever you want as you dance away from an inconvienient FACT.

                        What an IGNORANT statement. It is an INDISPUTABLE FACT that every other industrial country in the world HAS a national healthcare plan and everyone of them pays less than us. Looks to me like you make arguments like brainwashed members of the Limborg hivemind just ignoring and dancing away from INDISPUTABLE FACTS.

                        Your soon to be trillions was extracted directly from your rectal database and those of us with critical thinking skills dont consider that a fact by any reasonable definition. Yeah you might as well go to sleep since you simply cant seem to understand INDISPUTABLE FACTS.
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                        • Author by mary59 (July 08, 2009 9:15 am ET)
                             
                          Solon, Wesley just isn't going to get the overall picture. His brain is stuck on "my taxes are going to go up" and nothing we say even registers in his overcrowded cranium.

                          The first response to him about the Pentagon didn't even make a dent. If we reduced waste in the Pentagon, healthcare would be easily financed without raising taxes.
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                • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 7:25 pm ET)
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                  Why are you arguing with him about the cost? The cost is inconsequential to him; he just doesn't want to pay for the health care of other Americans. That's the bottom line with most conservatives.
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      • Author by fishergirlusmc (July 07, 2009 2:42 pm ET)
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        How is it in a country of 300 million people, we are allowing an elderly, extremely sick man with a brain tumor to write such an important piece of legislation?
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        • Author by fishergirlusmc (July 07, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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          I think the reasion the private insurance companies feel they can't compete is because the government is allowed to run gigantic deficits and private business is not. This would certainly have an impact on competition.
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          • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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            If the private sector is better then the public sector, the private sector has nothing to worry about. A lot of Americans are happy with their healthcare and no one is forcing them they have to switch.
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            • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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              I originally wrote "telling them they have to switch" then I changed "telling" to "forcing" and messed up the sentence.
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              • Author by anotheramerican (July 07, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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                Employers will cancel their insurance benefits when they find out the government will pick up their employees.
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                • Author by vhw28672478 (July 07, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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                  good we have better health car with public plan
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                • Author by solon (July 07, 2009 5:13 pm ET)
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                  GOOD then they can be taxed and we will have a single payer option for EVERYONE.
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                • Author by loonz (July 07, 2009 7:30 pm ET)
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                  If you're in a union, your employer could not do that unilaterally.
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          • Author by stanlee18048 (July 07, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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            You mean debt? Private companies are not allowed to have debt? That's just false.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (July 07, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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            Wrong - the government sole motivation won't be to MAKE A PROFIT.

            Profits vs. lives. That's what the health care debate boils down to.

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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 07, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
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          Yes, he's up every night till 3 a.m. writing it out with a No. 2 pencil...

          Congress isn't allowed to vote on the bill until all his erase marks have been covered with white-out.
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        • Author by Conchobhar (July 07, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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          How is it in a country of 300 million people, we are allowing an elderly, extremely sick man with a brain tumor to write such an important piece of legislation?

          Teddy Kennedy with half a brain vs. 40 Republican Senators with all their capacities? He's got them overmatched.
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      • Author by The_Cat (July 07, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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        I've got news for you, Wesley. People who have insurance are already paying for the ones who do not have it. If you to the emergency room, and have no way to pay, and end up declaring bankruptcy, that leaves the hospital with a deficit. They have to cover those somehow, or go out of business, so they pass those costs along to the next person they treat.

        Covering -more- Americans with insurance will automatically -reduce- costs for everyone. As for the rider you suggested, I've a better one: We'll forgo a public option, and all insurance companies will be reorganized and restructured as non-profits.
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    • Author by stanlee18048 (July 07, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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      Private health insurance is about as wasteful as it gets. For all the money they drain out of the system, they don't provide any utility or value. They should make the billing process go easier, but they don't.

      It's like here, hold this money, then when we really need it, fight us for it. It's an incredible drain on everyone.
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      • Author by mary59 (July 08, 2009 9:20 am ET)
           
        The current private insurance system goes something like this: people pay higher and higher premiums with less and less coverage. Then, when the person NEEDS the coverage, the insurance companies try to find a way to cancel their policies.

        Now rather than seeing the horror of this scenario, we have Republicans trying to scare people off a public option. They have very bad karma indeed...
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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 07, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
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      So dishonest of the Washington Post to allow this blatant misinformation in the paper.

      Sadly, it show how far The Post has declined.
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