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July 13, 2009 5:38 pm ET

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SUMMARY: In the days leading up to Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation hearings, which began July 13, several media figures and outlets have repeated or uncritically reported Republican distortions of Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comments without providing the context for her remarks.

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In the days leading up to Judge Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation hearings, which began July 13, several media figures and outlets have repeated or uncritically reported Republican distortions of Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comments without providing the context for her remarks. As Media Matters for America has repeatedly noted, when Sotomayor made the "wise Latina" comment, she was specifically discussing the importance of judicial diversity in deciding "race and sex discrimination cases." Moreover, in criticizing or reporting criticism of Sotomayor's comments, they have also failed to report similar comments by Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito regarding the impact their backgrounds and personal experiences have had on their judicial thinking.

In her 2001 speech, delivered at the University of California-Berkeley School of Law and published in 2002 in the Berkeley La Raza Law Journal, Sotomayor stated:

In our private conversations, Judge [Miriam] Cedarbaum has pointed out to me that seminal decisions in race and sex discrimination cases have come from Supreme Courts composed exclusively of white males. I agree that this is significant but I also choose to emphasize that the people who argued those cases before the Supreme Court which changed the legal landscape ultimately were largely people of color and women. I recall that Justice Thurgood Marshall, Judge Connie Baker Motley, the first black woman appointed to the federal bench, and others of the NAACP argued Brown v. Board of Education. Similarly, Justice [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg, with other women attorneys, was instrumental in advocating and convincing the Court that equality of work required equality in terms and conditions of employment.

Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice [Sandra Day] O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.

Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice [Benjamin] Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.

However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.

Sotomayor delivered nearly identical remarks in at least four other speeches from 1994 to 2003.

Furthermore, during his 2006 confirmation hearing, Alito asserted: "When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account." Similarly, during Thomas' confirmation hearing, Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI) asked, "I'd like to ask you why you want this job?" Thomas replied, in part, "I believe, Senator, that I can make a contribution, that I can bring something different to the Court, that I can walk in the shoes of the people who are affected by what the Court does."

Media figures and outlets advancing the distortion of Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comments include:

  • On the July 13 edition of CNN Newsroom, shortly before the beginning of Sotomayor's conformation hearing, CNN's Gloria Borger stated:

BORGER: I think it is an historic moment, and I think it's pretty clear the kinds of questions that you're going to hear Republicans asking. She did make a very controversial remark in a speech that a wise Latina woman would issue a better opinion than a white male judge. I think you can be sure she's going to be asked about things like that.

Later during that program, after airing Sen. Jeff Sessions' (R-AL) opening remarks, CNN's Wolf Blitzer stated:

BLITZER: Jeff Sessions, the Republican ranking member, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, himself a former judge, with some very, very strong words, outlining a theme that no doubt he and other Republicans will focus on during the course of the questioning of Judge Sotomayor. That, simply put, some of her comments are not appropriate for a United States Supreme Court justice. Specifically, the comment -- now widely publicized -- that she made at the University of California-Berkeley School of Law back in 2001, when she said these words: "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

  • On the July 13 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, co-host Megyn Kelly interviewed Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) about Sotomayor's confirmation. She introduced the interview by stating:

KELLY: Well, one of the topics expected to come up during this week's controversial hearings is a statement made by Sotomayor back in October of 2001. Speaking at an event at the University of California at Berkeley, Sotomayor said, quote, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would, more often than not, reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

After Kyl stated that it's "a bad thing" Sotomayor meant "that members of the court who are persons of color" will "make decisions based upon a particular agenda that they hold," Kelly asked:

KELLY: But how do you get to that, Senator, because Judge Sotomayor is not going to go before Congress today and say, "Yes, I believe that people of certain color, people of minority descent are gonna make better judges than white judges." I mean, that would be a potential deal-breaker, and I think this woman is smart enough to know that. So how are you going to satisfy yourself that that is not what she secretly believes, despite what she may tell you?

  • On the July 13 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, correspondent Jamie Colby cited "statements she's made" such as "being a Latina woman would make her potentially a better decision-maker than a white male. Those will all come up in the hearings today."
  • On the July 13 edition of NBC's Today, correspondent Natalie Morales stated:

MORALES: Senate Judiciary Republicans are promising fair but tough questions on Sotomayor's past rulings, especially cases involving discrimination and race issues. They're also set to press her to explain what she meant when she said a wise Latina woman could come to a better conclusion than a white male.

  • A July 13 FoxNews.com article, which "the Associated Press contributed to," stated that the "most fertile ground for Republican questioning appears to be on race and ethnicity, focused on Sotomayor's 'wise Latina' comment and the white firefighters from New Haven, Conn., who won their Supreme Court case last month. In a speech in 2001, Sotomayor said she hoped a 'wise Latina' often would reach better conclusions than a white male without the same life experience."
  • As Media Matters noted, in a July 13 Time magazine article, Jay Newton-Small and Sophia Yan wrote:

Sotomayor has used the "wise Latina" phrase repeatedly in speeches dating back to 1994. In one speech in 2001 she tagged on the line "than a white male who hasn't lived that life." Republicans, who prefer judges that claim total impartiality to the law, do not like that Sotomayor's decisions are influenced by her life experience.

  • On the July 12 edition of NBC's Nightly News, correspondent Pete Williams asserted that Sotomayor will "be pressed for an explanation of her now well-known statement that 'a wise Latina woman would more often than not reach a better conclusion' as a judge 'than a white male.' "
  • On the July 12 edition of CNN Newsroom, correspondent Kate Bolduan stated that "Republicans are also sure to press Sotomayor on her past statement that a wise Latina woman would reach a better conclusion than a white male." She then aired a clip of Sessions stating that Sotomayor "advocated a view that suggests that your personal experiences, even prejudices -- she uses that word -- it's expected that they would influence the decision you make, which is a blow, I think, at the very ideal of American justice."
  • In a June 12 Chicago Tribune article, writers David G. Savage and James Oliphant wrote:

Given a lifetime appointment, will she be a justice who views the law through a liberal lens because of her Latina heritage?

In speeches, she said "gender and national origins ... will make a difference in our judging" and added that a "wise Latina" will "more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male."

Or will she follow her long track record as a careful and moderate judge who sticks to the facts and the law?

  • A July 12 McClatchy Newspapers article stated that critics "also zeroed in on her statement in 2001 that her 'hope' was that a 'wise Latina with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.' "
  • A July 11 New York Times article stated that during her confirmation hearing, Sotomayor "may explain ... what she meant when she said that a 'wise Latina woman' might render better decisions than a white male."

From the July 13 edition of CNN Newsroom:

BLITZER: Gloria, this is real history right now. She would be only the third woman ever to serve on the United States Supreme Court, and the first Hispanic ever to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court.

BORGER: That's right, for whom English was not her first language. I was reading that in some of our research before. So I think it is an historic moment, and I think it's pretty clear the kinds of questions that you're going to hear Republicans asking. She did make a very controversial remark in a speech that a wise Latina woman would issue a better opinion than a white male judge. I think you can be sure she's going to be asked about things like that. And liberals are concerned themselves about whether she's on their side on issues like abortion and race. They're not quite sure about that.

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BLITZER: Jeff Sessions, the Republican ranking member, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, himself a former judge, with some very, very strong words, outlining a theme that no doubt he and other Republicans will focus on during the course of the questioning of Judge Sotomayor. That, simply put, some of her comments are not appropriate for a United States Supreme Court justice.

Specifically, the comment -- now widely publicized -- that she made at the University of California-Berkeley School of Law back in 2001, when she said these words: "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." Jeff Toobin, let me start with you. Were you surprised by how robust Jeff Sessions' initial comments were?

TOOBIN: I was. I thought he would wait a little bit, but this was bombs away from the get-go. And I just think what's worth thinking about here is that there is an issue before the Supreme Court now that is going to dominate these proceedings just below the radar, which is, does the Constitution allow affirmative action anymore? Does the Constitution allow a university to consider race in admissions, to allow a police department or a fire department to consider race as one factor in promotions?

That issue really separates the liberals from the conservatives on the court. Sotomayor is going to be asked about that in various ways. It was the underpinning of the case that Sessions was making. Chief Justice Roberts is making a big push on the court to create no more room for affirmative action under the Constitution, and I think that's just something to think about as we move forward.

From the July 13 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:

KELLY: Well, one of the topics expected to come up during this week's controversial hearings is a statement made by Sotomayor back in October of 2001. Speaking at an event at the University of California at Berkeley, Sotomayor said, quote, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would, more often than not, reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." Joining us now from Capitol Hill, Senate Judiciary member Republican Jon Kyl of Arizona. Senator, good morning to you.

KYL: Good morning, Megyn.

KELLY: So, just to start off, that was not the only time Sotomayor made that comment. She's made it repeatedly as -- by some counts as many as seven times. So, the White House is going to have a tough time seeing her live up to its statement on that comment where President Obama said she may have misspoke. Having said all that, how much hay can you make out of that, and could that potentially derail her confirmation?

KYL: It's not a matter of making hay out of it; it's a matter of finding out what she really believes. Because if she believes it, and you're right, she has said it on numerous occasions, this was not just a slip of the tongue -- and by the way it was reprinted in a law journal which she obviously edited, so she was very careful about what she said. But if she really means by that, that members of the court who are persons of color, as she puts it, will make better decisions, and will make decisions based upon a particular agenda that they hold -- and she encourages that there be more and more of those judges appointed to the court, that's a bad thing. As we all know, judges are supposed to be like umpires in a ball game, calling the balls and strikes, not changing the rules of the game. Even the American Bar Association [inaudible] --

KELLY: But how do you get to that, Senator, because Judge Sotomayor is not going to go before Congress today and say, "Yes, I believe that people of certain color, people of minority descent are gonna make better judges than white judges." I mean, that would be a potential deal-breaker, and I think this woman is smart enough to know that. So how are you going to satisfy yourself that that is not what she secretly believes, despite what she may tell you?

KYL: Well, that's the question all of America will have to decide. If we point out that she has said this over and over and over again with the same terminology, and then in her hearings she says, "No, I really didn't mean it," the question for the American people to judge is, which Judge Sotomayor do you think is going to be deciding cases once she's on the Supreme Court and is there for her lifetime and not accountable to anyone else. That's why this is so important. There is nobody to provide a check and a balance on someone once they get to be on the United States Supreme Court

KELLY: Senator, there's been a lot of talk about whether senators like yourself from Arizona, which has a high Hispanic population, will go easy on the nominee for fear of alienating Hispanic voters or Latino voters. What is your response to those who are concerned you may do that?

KYL: I'm not going to go easy or go hard. I'm just going to ask questions, as diplomatically but as firmly as I can, and I don't think in this day and age anybody here in Washington votes yes or no on a nominee based upon their gender or their ethnicity. It shouldn't be done, and frankly, it isn't done.

KELLY: Is there any chance that the Republicans attempt to vote this nominee down or attempt to garner the votes to somehow filibuster this nominee? We did see that attempt with Justice Alito. You've got the chairman of your committee, Patrick Leahy, a Democrat, who wanted to filibuster Sam Alito, not to mention President Obama, who was then a senator who wanted to filibuster Sam Alito. Any chance the Republicans, despite the numbers that are against them now in the Senate, attempt that with respect to this judge?

KYL: I don't think so. We haven't so far. Everyone is free to make their own judgment on this. We are not going to do, as you said, what President Obama and Chairman Leahy did on the Alito nomination and try to successfully conduct a filibuster. In first place, we don't have the numbers, as you pointed out. But we don't operate that way. Everybody is free to make their own decision. And I haven't decided yet; I am anxious to see what she says. I also think it's important because according to a very recent survey by the Rasmussen group, which is a very respected polling concern, the majority of Americans oppose her confirmation right now, and that includes large majorities of both women and Hispanic and Asian voters.

And, by the way, independent voters, by something like 23 or 24 points, oppose her confirmation. So, the American people are looking skeptically at her nomination I think because of all of the controversy that [chief political correspondent] Carl [Cameron] pointed out before and that you've noted just now. That's why I think she has a job to do here. It's not up to us to try to trip her up or go easy on her or anything of that sort, but rather to elicit the information that will enable the American people to judge her and those of us on the committee to make our decisions as well.

KELLY: Understood, yes. The latest Rasmussen poll, conducted July 1, says 39 percent of Americans do not favor her confirmation, 37 percent do, which was a slide for her from an earlier poll. Senator John Kyl, we'll be watching. Thanks so much for being here.

KYL: Thank you, Megyn.

From the July 13 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

COLBY: But what is different about the confirmation hearings that you'll see today here on Fox than the other two that she's been through for the district court and also the appellate court is a record of some 3,000 decisions she participated in, and also statements she's made, as you've heard. Public policy considerations should be a part of decision making, she said, knowing that that isn't the general feeling among lawyers in the legal community, and also that being a Latina woman would make her potentially a better decision-maker than a white male. Those will all come up in the hearings today, definitely the empathy factor President Obama said he wants is in play when it comes to ethnicity.

From the July 13 edition of NBC's Today:

MORALES: President Obama's pick for the Supreme Court, Sonia Sotomayor, faces lawmakers this morning on Capitol Hill, as confirmation hearings get under way. Senate Judiciary Republicans are promising fair but tough questions on Sotomayor's past rulings, especially cases involving discrimination and race issues. They're also set to press her to explain what she meant when she said a wise Latina woman could come to a better conclusion than a white male.

From a July 13 FoxNews.com article, which "the Associated Press contributed to":

The most fertile ground for Republican questioning appears to be on race and ethnicity, focused on Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comment and the white firefighters from New Haven, Conn., who won their Supreme Court case last month.

In a speech in 2001, Sotomayor said she hoped a "wise Latina" often would reach better conclusions than a white male without the same life experience.

By a 5-4 vote last month, the high court agreed with the firefighters, who claimed they were denied promotions on account of their race after New Haven officials threw out test results because too few minorities did well. The court reversed a decision by Sotomayor and two other federal appeals court judges.

From the July 12 edition of CNN Newsroom:

BOLDUAN: Republicans are also sure to press Sotomayor on her past statement that a wise Latina woman would reach a better conclusion than a white male.

Senator Jeff Sessions is the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

SESSIONS [video clip]: She has advocated a view that suggests that your personal experiences, even prejudices -- she uses that word -- it's expected that they would influence the decision you make, which is a blow, I think, at the very ideal of American justice.

BOLDUAN: Democrats, including the committee's chair, will no doubt come quickly to Sotomayor's defense.

LEAHY [video clip]: She has the experience and the cases that show her to be a mainstream judge. Anything else is nitpicking.

From the July 12 edition of NBC's Nightly News:

WILLIAMS: But she'll be pressed for an explanation of her now well-known statement that a wise Latina woman would more often than not reach a better conclusion as a judge than a white male. Some Republicans say her record shows she's too willing to allow her own feelings to intrude, something they say that's at odds with other judges.

KYL: Who have laid out the traditional way in which you decide cases with impartiality, laying your biases and prejudices aside, and just using the law. She, of course, looks to other factors, like empathy, like whether it's popular in foreign countries, and that sort of thing.

WILLIAMS: Republicans will ask about a ruling she endorsed that said the Second Amendment's protection of the right to own a gun does not apply to the states, an issue that has divided the federal courts. And they'll ask why she joined a ruling against white firefighters in Connecticut who claimed reverse discrimination. They sued when the city threw out a promotion test that would've helped them, but not black firemen. The Supreme Court reversed that ruling just last month.

The hearing will last four days, maybe five, and the Democrats hope to have the full Senate vote on the confirmation by early August before Congress takes its summer break, Lester.  

From the June 12 Chicago Tribune article:

Judge Sonia Sotomayor will go before a Senate committee this week and be pressed to answer questions that have lingered since President Barack Obama made her his first choice for the Supreme Court.

Given a lifetime appointment, will she be a justice who views the law through a liberal lens because of her Latina heritage?

In speeches, she said "gender and national origins ... will make a difference in our judging" and added that a "wise Latina" will "more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male."

Or will she follow her long track record as a careful and moderate judge who sticks to the facts and the law?

From the July 12 McClatchy Newspapers article:

Five other members of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals joined the decision, which the U.S. Supreme Court overturned late last month.

Critics also zeroed in on her statement in 2001 that her ''hope'' was that a "wise Latina with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.''

Former colleagues and court adversaries, however, said that Sotomayor is no extremist. If anything, her years as a prosecutor have made her more sympathetic to law enforcement.

From the July 11 New York Times article:

Beyond checking those boxes, though, nominees usually decline to express views on other legal issues. The protocols are looser when it comes to questions about biography, professional experience and statements made off the court.

Judge Sotomayor may choose to veer from the script in a few places. She may explain what role empathy ought to play in a judge's work, what she meant when she said that a ''wise Latina woman'' might render better decisions than a white male and what she did as a board member of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund for more than a decade before becoming a judge.

Republican senators have said they will press her about her role with the group. ''During her time there,'' Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a statement, ''the organization took extreme positions on legal issues ranging from the death penalty to abortion to racial quotas.''

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    • Author by carlileb5935 (July 13, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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      You'd think it would be easy for all of these guys to add the words "when it comes to ethnic discrimination cases" every time they misquote her remark, but for some reason, they won't.

      My suspicion is that most of them are too lazy to have read her speech. All those long paragraphs...
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      • Author by right ON (July 13, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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        Because your quoted statement is unnecessary. What do you think she was referring to in her "wise Latina" comments, rulings on corporate shenanigans? It's obvious to anyone that it pertained to ethnic discrimination cases.
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        • Author by clams casino (July 13, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
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          And you have yet to explain what is so objectionable about that.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 13, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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            I'd be interested to see a survey of Republicans ( or simply of people who get the bulk of their information from the mainstream media and talk radio) regarding the context and topic of Sotomayor's remark.
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            • Author by clams casino (July 13, 2009 8:24 pm ET)
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              I think that most people continue to attack her dishonestly because the reason behind all the vitriol becomes too transparent if they acknowledge the context of her remarks. At this point, her critics in the press are surely aware of the context, but the only way to attack and still not come off as a complete bigot is to pretend otherwise.

              Right On wasn't clever enough to maintain that charade, so he now finds himself in the awkward position of having to explain why her unedited remarks have offended him so much. It all boils down to the fact that they don't want a Latina judge. Period. There's really no other explanation.
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              • Author by clams casino (July 13, 2009 8:30 pm ET)
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                I should clarify that I think that the primary motivation of the press isn't bigotry, but rather the need to maintain the dishonest narrative they've created. While certain people in the press (Megyn Kelly, for instance) wear their bigotry on their sleeves, I would say that most (Wolf Blitzer, for instance) are just fueling this false narrative for ratings.
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          • Author by right ON (July 14, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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            Hmm, I guess Ms. Sotomayor is far more honest than you are and is blessed with far more integrity than you have. You could learn a thing or two from her. I hope you do, because you need it.

            From CNN; Sotomayor calls 'wise Latina' remark a bad choice of words
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            • Author by clams casino (July 14, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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              And if you had bothered to read past the headline, you would have seen that she wasn't backpeddling her words, but rather she was clarifying them.

              "Life experiences have to influence you. We’re not robots to listen to evidence and not have feelings. We have to recognize those feelings and put them aside. … But there are situations in which some experiences are important in the process of judging because the law asks us to use those experiences."
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              • Author by right ON (July 14, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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                But you said she didn't even have to do that. Nothing, no clarification, no explanation, no defense of her own words. Perhaps she isn't as invested wallowing in racial arrogance as you are.
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                • Author by clams casino (July 14, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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                  This is one of those either/or stupid-or-liar moments. This is what I wrote yesterday:

                  "Sotomayor's statement doesn't require a defense because it isn't controversial when seen in its full context. In my opinion, it would be as if she were asked to defend her grocery list.

                  Of course she will be asked to defend the statement during her hearing, but I have a feeling that that defense will consist entirely of clarifying what has been distorted and misrepresented."


                  Apparently you're still under the impression that nobody is able to go back to past threads and see all of our comments?

                  And your attempt to throw the phrase "racial arrogance" back in my face is just bizarre. I remember your habit of parroting the language that's used against you, but your attempt to do that here is completely incoherent. When I accused you of racial arrogance, I was referring to your requirement that Sotomayor "leave [her cultural heritage] at the door." But that phrase makes no sense in the context that you've used it here.
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                  • Author by right ON (July 14, 2009 2:29 pm ET)
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                    Actually you left out your original post, which you have yet to defend but keep failing to distance yourself from; "Her statement doesn't require defending, because, taken in it's full context, there's nothing controversial about it".

                    Racial arrogance and baiting are perfectly appropriate where you are concerned, and you know it. But you are far too arrogant to see it. As I said, you could learn alot from her, I sincerely hope you do.
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                    • Author by clams casino (July 14, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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                      Good god, man. Read my post right above yours. Do you see the part I quoted? Good, now very slowly read the first sentence. What part of that don't you understand? You've crossed the line from playing dumb to being dumb.

                      And your second paragraph makes no sense at all. You clearly don't understand what those words mean, so you should probably just stop using them. And I'm including the word "sincere" in that as well.
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                      • Author by right ON (July 14, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
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                        If you could stop tossing out infantile insults to mask a failing argument, you might learn something.

                        You insisted that Ms. Sotomayor needn't defend her statements, you said it doesn't require defending, your very own words. So obviously you would be perfectly fine if she were to say exactly that in these hearings, to refuse to defend her words because "taken in it's full context, there's nothing controversial about it". That is the classic textbook definition of arrogance, grab a dictionary and look it up.

                        And for you to call me a bigot with no supportable evidence except that I am asking for her to clarify her own words is baiting. Which, by the way, she is doing today and by the looks of it doing a commendable job of defending her own words, which you said she doesn't have to do.

                        Now if you're still confused, it's because you choose to be.
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                        • Author by clams casino (July 14, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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                          This thread is already classic Tommy. Leveraging your newfound respect for Sotomayor in order to lob personal insults at me is the dead giveaway. That's exactly what you did during the Obama campaign.

                          I'm marveling at what you've managed to accomplish in just four brief posts. It's amazing how you can tell blatant lies that are clearly proven wrong at each turn, and yet you just keep going as though you are somehow winning the argument. Your last bit of bluster and nonsense is a perfect capper. But I guess nobody can expect an honest debate from a sock puppet. Why don't you get the big lie out of the way and just admit that you're Tommy. It's not like your credibility will suffer any more for it.
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                          • Author by trwoody (July 14, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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                            ok so let me get this straight.

                            you two are arguing over what?

                            rightON is saying that soto needs to defend herself...got that

                            clams is saying that...well...that he/she thinks rightON sucks at debate. clams, you keep attacking rightON's lying about quoting what you said and his/her argumentative tactics, but rightON is saying, over and over, that we all need to be willing to defend what we say...soto included...

                            help me clear this up, i don't wanna seem ignorant, so help me fill in the spaces
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                            • Author by clams casino (July 14, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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                              @trwoody. I honestly don't know what's confusing you. In a nutshell, TomRightOnMy's argument is this: I said that Sotomoyar's unedited statements didn't require a defense or an explanation, then TomRightOnMy points out that she did defend them, so that somehow makes me wrong. It's idiotic.

                              And now he's doubling down on the idiocy because Sotomayor isn't saying anything different today, but Tommy suddenly agrees with her. Yesterday he was demanding that she explain herself and vow to leave her cultural heritage at the door. Today, she is simply reiterating her original statements, but Tommy now says she's doing a commendable job. It only reinforces my suspicions that he never read her original speeches in the first place.
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                            • Author by right ON (July 14, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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                              trwoody, You are not being ignorant. Clams can't defend his words so he calls me Tommy. Clams can't backup what he says so he calls me stupid. Clams can't make a coherent argument so he calls me a bigot. Clams can't do much of anything except hurl slurs, insults and call me Tommy.

                              That is all one needs to know about Clams. Read the desperation in his posts.
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                              • Author by clams casino (July 14, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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                                I fail to see how anything I've written could possibly require any further defense, backup or explanation. Everything has been explained to you repeatedly, so I'm not sure what you're still confused about, or what it is that you still require a defense or "backup" for. If you're done attempting to debate this, then just be done. No point in digging deeper, unless you have something specific that you need further clarification on.
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                                • Author by right ON (July 14, 2009 6:12 pm ET)
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                                  You're right. I don't need clarification on your petty, pathetic insults. Unless you'd care to haul them out again. Stupid, dumb, liar, idiot and a bigot. You can reiterate them if it makes you feel superior, but your temper only illustrates your lack of breeding and education. I am not impressed.
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                                  • Author by clams casino (July 14, 2009 9:10 pm ET)
                                       
                                    Says the guy who called me a "tool" in his very first post (as RightOn) to me. Stop projecting. When I called you a bigot, I gave a crystal clear reason for doing so. When I said you lied, it was because you very plainly did. And on and on. On the other hand, when you question my "lack of breeding and education" or make claims about my "temper," it's just more baseless whining.

                                    Now tell us all again that you're not Tommy and move on to your next embarrassment.
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                          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 14, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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                            Clams, maybe, like Sotomayor, your words didn't need defending. They just need to be explained to those who are willing to completely embarrass themselves in attempting to not understand them.

                            Of course Sotomayor did defend her words, she was being questioned by a hack who was using them in a misleading way. They didn't require defending to anybody with a brain of their own.

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                            • Author by clams casino (July 14, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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                              I could no longer tell if Tommy was feigning ignorance or if he truly couldn't wrap his mind around that distinction. Thanks for spelling it out for him, because I just couldn't bring myself to do it.
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      • Author by coach777b (July 14, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
           
        Journalists today are inherently lazy. Hunting for facts in order to get it right is superseded by "get it out on the air first". I doubt if any have taken the time the read the full text of her statement. If I can take the time to read it, so can they.
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