CNN president emails Dobbs pronouncing birther story "dead," but Lou won't let it go
SUMMARY: After CNN President Jon Klein reportedly emailed information to the staff of Lou Dobbs Tonight that Klein said shows the "story" about President Obama's birth certificate "is dead," Lou Dobbs noted that evidence on air, but then asked Roland Martin: "When this could be dispelled so quickly, and -- and simply by producing [the birth certificate], why not do it?"
After CNN President Jon Klein reportedly emailed information to the staff of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight that Klein said shows the "story" about President Obama's birth certificate "is dead," host Lou Dobbs noted that evidence -- which was a statement by the Hawaii Health Department that in 2001, paper records were replaced by electronic records -- on air as Klein instructed, but then asked CNN contributor Roland Martin: "When this could be dispelled so quickly, and -- and simply by producing [the birth certificate], why not do it?"
In the July 23 email to the Lou Dobbs Tonight staff, obtained by Mediabistro's TVNewser, Klein pointed to evidence debunking birther conspiracy theories that Dobbs "should be sure to cite" during that evening's broadcast. Specifically, Klein included in his email information from CNN's "political researchers" that stated "the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless" in 2001, that the "[p]aper documents were discarded," and that "[t]he official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record" [emphasis in original]. But while Dobbs did mention during his July 23 CNN show that "the state of Hawaii says it can't release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic," he nonetheless continued to question the version of Obama's birth certificate available online and argue that Obama should "produce" a valid birth certificate.
From Klein's July 23 email, obtained by TVNewser:
----- Original Message -----
From: Klein, Jon (CNN)
Sent: Thu Jul 23 19:00:44 2009
Subject: Important re birth certificateI asked the political researchers to dig into the question "why couldn't Obama produce the ORIGINAL birth certificate?"
This is what they forwarded. It seems to definitively answer the question. Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead - because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef.
Thx
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*In 2001 - the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, "At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
Introducing a segment about Obama's birth certificate during the July 23 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dobbs repeated the research forwarded by Klein regarding the Hawaii Health Department, stating:
DOBBS: President Obama promised transparency and openness in his administration. Yet, he's chosen not to release his original birth certificate or a copy of it.
And a number of Americans are asking, why not? The left-wing media has attacked me because I simply asked the question. Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can't release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago.
That explanation, however, has not satisfied some critics.
However, during the discussion that followed, Dobbs again said that Obama should produce a birth certificate. Dobbs stated: "My -- my issue is this, OK? When this could be dispelled so quickly, and -- and simply by producing it, why not do it?" Dobbs also raised concerns about the copy of Obama's birth certificate that FactCheck.org posted online, referring to it as "a document that says there's another document":
ROLAND MARTIN (CNN contributor): That is an official document. What is in the newspaper is a birth announcement, Congressman. Come on.
REP. TED POE (R-TX): Well, they --
DOBBS: Let -- let -- if I may interject. Do we have a -- could we just put up a copy of that certificate -- certificate of live birth?
What you are looking at there, which I believe is the copy that comes from FactCheck.org, or Annenberg, there's no reference there to the attending physician. There's no reference there to the hospital in which he was born. It is a certificate that refers to the fact that another certificate exists.
MARTIN: Is it an official state document?
DOBBS: I'm sorry?
MARTIN: Is it an official state document of the state of Hawaii?
DOBBS: Well, let me try this again, so I can be really clear about it. It is a document that says there's another document. It does not include that -- you are referring to your father's birth certificate.
A copy of his birth certificate would have the doctor, the hospital that he was born in, correct? And this is the -- and, by the way, this is just what people are concerned about.
Dobbs also replayed remarks from his radio show indicating "where I stand," which included his previous remark that "I believe Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States, folks. Don't you? But I do have a couple of little questions, like you. Why not just provide a copy of the birth certificate? That's entirely within the president's power":
DOBBS: Before we get started, I want to be clear where I stand, because the -- the left-wing media kind of forgot to leave out -- kind of left a few things out. It was inconvenient to their stories.
Just -- just one statement, very quickly, if you will. Play that.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP, JULY 21, 2009)
DOBBS: I think the president of the United States is a citizen. But what I don't understand is why he hasn't just produced it to get this -- this noise out of the way.
I believe Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States, folks. Don't you? But I do have a couple of little questions, like you. Why not just provide a copy of the birth certificate? That's entirely within the president's power.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
DOBBS: Why not? That's the question, Roland Martin. What's the answer?















Add to weekend to-do list: buy ziploc bag for birth certificate.
That's probably Dobb's point, and by letting this lunacy fester instead of responsibly putting a clamp on it from the beginning, CNN's now opened a Pandora's Box of Crazy that will be all but impossible to close. Klein had better buckle himself in for some severe public relations battles in the coming weeks as Dobbs and his drooling mob turn on CNN itself (much like when the same type of unhinged rightwingers screamed outside the New York Times building when it did its job and revealed Bush's illegal wiretapping program.) Dobbs, the "birthers" and the rest of them are Authoritarian worshippers; the Government is Good and Wise and always right. Facts, logic and reason are the enemy to be hated and feared. These people are definitely a dangerous fringe element, but by letting Dobbs carry on and by giving a platform to imbecilic figures such as Liz Cheney to treat this nonsense as a serious topic of discussion, CNN has created the very problem some on the network (and now the network brass, apparently) are complaining about.
On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.
For those of you who can’t take the time to read it. here is the section that applies:
“Sec.2
Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records
When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”
Now for all of you who commented on our previous articles that we were no more that right-wing nut jobs, that this thing about Obama’s birth certificate was a non-issue, and those of you who tried to shift the focus of the stories, doesn’t this strike you as just a little odd?
That the first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released?
This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda?
If this isn’t proof that Obama is hiding something, I don’t know what is.
http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/
And have you read Bush's EO (Executive Order 13233)? This replacement is a great improvement over that. And I also think you're misinterpreting Executive Privilege. Not to mention you overlooked how the AG and White House Council can deem it not under Executive Privilege and have it issued anyways.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/01/chain-email/e-mail-claims-free-flow-information-act-would-prot/
HA HA HA. Americanidiot = flat earther
Since you apparently have no clue what is meant by "Presidential Records," here is the statute that this Executive Order applies to:
44 U.S.C. 2201 (2)
(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term--
(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of his staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but
(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) of title 5, United States Code; (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.
(3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes--
(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;
(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and
(C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
http://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html#2201
No, it confirms that you're a right-wing nut job.
That the first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released?
That's not what it states.
This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda?
It wasn't. He signed many executive orders that day, and this wasn't the first one.
If this isn’t proof that Obama is hiding something, I don’t know what is.
Indeed right wing nut jobs don't know anything.
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Is that a store in Texas? Here we have Dollar Tree.
Have you ever been to Georgetown, Delaware?
The black man. That's who.
I have my own birth certificate in front of me and all it says is full name, birth date, birth place(city), sex, registration date, registration number, and date of issue.
jk
Yesterday, before seeing the email from CNN's president, I found the JUNE 6, 2OO9 article referred to in his email.
It took about 20 minutes to find the article. I agree with the CNN president: This is the definitive and simple explanation for why Obama can't produce any birth certificate other than the one the state of Hawaii produced for him in 2007 that's posted all over the internet. Why? because that's only one Hawaii has produced since 2001.
What's amazing is that a google search on July 24th using the full title of the article only brings up 200 hits -- 200 hits.
I found the article by thinking local and searching for articles in the Honolulu newspapers. Here it is:
"Honolulu Star-Bulletin: Born identity:Birth certificate styles adjust to fit times and regulations By June Watanabe POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jun 06, 2009"
In plain text here is the url:
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.htm
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
That's all I can figure out-a platform dedicated to circular reasoning, and again-Lou Dobbs is an idiot.
There was a time when CNN WAS "the most trusted" news organization, gathering and reporting "real news." That reputation and public trust has since been tarnished and destroyed by the network's willingness to provide airtime to extremists such as Dobbs and no accountability whatsoever.
I'm sure Dobbs will be heard of somewhere in the "entertainment" business that mascarades as news. He has an audience and following, there are plenty of people who will follow his absurdity.
I just can't imagine being one of these people. There has been all kinds of proof now, including the live birth certificate, communication by the appropriate powers that be in Hawaii, etc.
It's just so sad that they can't put all this energy toward some things that might help the country.
Anywho...