NBC's Robach ignores evidence that minimum wage increase will stimulate economy
SUMMARY: Reporting on the minimum wage increase, NBC's Amy Robach stated, "Some small business owners criticized the timing of the increase, saying it's a burden in a weak economy." But Robach ignored evidence that the increase will stimulate the economy.
During the July 24 edition of NBC's Nightly News, national correspondent Amy Robach noted that "[t]he federal minimum wage went up today," and stated, "Some small business owners criticized the timing of the increase, saying it's a burden in a weak economy." But Robach ignored evidence that the increase will stimulate the economy. In fact, the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that a minimum wage increase will add $5.5 billion in consumer spending over the next 12 months.
In addition, the business organization, Business for a Fair Minimum Wage, has stated, "We expect an increased minimum wage to provide a boost to local economies. Businesses and communities will benefit as low-wage workers spend their much-needed pay raises at businesses in the neighborhoods where they live and work."
In contrast to Robach's report, a July 24 Washington Post article reported EPI's stimulus estimates:
The law, which affects about 4.5 million workers among a labor force of 129 million, has prompted a debate over whether the mandate to boost wages will hurt or help the economy. Some labor analysts say it could put more financial strain on small businesses, forcing some to cut jobs. "The timing of this is not great in the middle of a recession," said John A. Challenger, chief executive of Challenger, Gray & Christmas, a Chicago-based outplacement firm. "Is it better to create more jobs at the lower rate or fewer jobs at the higher rate?"
Others, though, say the raise is badly needed to help low-wage earners, the majority of whom are adults, keep up with rising food, housing and fuel costs. They regard it as a stimulus that could help reduce the growing savings rate and increase consumer spending, which represents two-thirds of the gross domestic product.
The increase "could not have come at a better time," said Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute. But even with it, she said, minimum-wage workers will be paid only $14,500 a year, well below the federal poverty line of $17,346 for a family consisting of an adult and two children.
"This will put $5.5 billion of spending into the economy," she added. "That's not going to solve our problems," but it is "a shot in the arm."
Likewise, during the July 24 edition of CNN Newsroom, host Kyra Phillips reported that "some economists think that struggling businesses might have to cut jobs to keep up, but others think that workers will spend the extra dollars stimulating the economy."
From the July 24 edition of NBC's Nightly News with Brian Williams:
ROBACH: The federal minimum wage went up today, the final step in a three-phase increase that started in 2007. It's a 70-cent-per-hour jump from 6.55 an hour to 7.25. Some small business owners criticized the timing of the increase, saying it's a burden in a weak economy.
From the 1 p.m. ET hour of the July 24 edition of CNN Newsroom:
PHILLIPS: Will more money in people's paychecks translate into fewer jobs? It's an age-old argument, and it's being revived today as the federal minimum wage goes up to 7.25 an hour -- or, an hour, rather, from 6.55. That means that around 4.5 million workers will see bigger paychecks. And some economists think that struggling businesses might have to cut jobs to keep up, but others think that workers will spend the extra dollars stimulating the economy.















If you plan to just stand there and take it (Smarty Pants), why don't you just sit on his lap.
This situation can not be taken care of in a closed office meeting.
If you're not willing to stand up for yourself maybe you deserve the beating.
Speak truth to power.
Mr. News
His hardball is really just Wiffle.
His doggerel wears
Like the Bad News he Bears
He's just -ous at the tail end of frivil.
Mr. Easy
But if you understood the theory and mechanics of "Supply-side Economics" (that's your lot's preffered economic theory, BTW) you'd understand that only two things will ever happen when this is applied over time:
1) Wages will not keep up with inflation and the cost of living.
2) Goods will become crappier and crappier as time goes on.
(OK - point 2 is a bit of a joke, but the realization came to me over the weekend, when my wife bought her third chinese-made hair-dryer in just over a year.)
OTOH... Kenseyan Economics, which is more aligned with DEMAND-side economics, will show you how *gasp* when people have more money, they buy more stuff! (Imagine that!) And when they buy more stuff, rich people (business owners and shareholders) make more profit! So in the end, the complanies and rich folk that onw them make just as much money (less on margin, but more on volume) and everyone else gets the benefit of a better, more stable lifestyle.
You want more than a "left wing think tank" as evindence? TAKE AN ECONOMICS COURSE.
Minimum wage laws sets the min wage, they don't guarantee anyone a job.
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In both micro and macro econ they show you why the minimun wage "hurts," at least in theory.
1) By increasing the wage, employers hire fewer workers due to the increased cost.
2) By increasing the wage, more people decide to go back to work, due to the increased incentive.
So it's a double whammy for unemployemnt.
But not really. First off, point (2)... isn't that a GOOD thing? Don't we WANT people to go to work? Isn't that the WHOLE IDEA?! Second, to point (1), how many people earn minimum wage anyway? I've worked a lot of really $#!tty jobs over the years - ice cream scooper, telemarketer, data entry, I mowed lawns, and I even had a manual labor job in a condom warehouse once (no joke!) NONE of the jobs made min wage. The least of them paid ~$8.00/hour, way back when the min wage was $4.25/hr. (Shown how old I am!) (And, esp considering that the income is TAX FREE, I even made well over min wage BABYSITTING!) And my friends who waited tables informed me many times that that they made WAY LESS than min wage, as tip-makers are basically exempt from the min wage law! So does this really significanlty impact any huge swath of society? I don't believe it does. Even illegal imigrant labor is often paid more than the min wage.
If someone here has some stats, I'd love to see them. And I may be wrong, but I think we all know that the doom-n-gloom regarding min wage increases is vastly overblown, mostly by very rich men who think the biggest problem facing this country is that very rich men don't have enough money
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So... let me have it. Hammer me on this. Because I don't buy all the griping.
The problem with allowing "the market" to set labor prices is that it costs more ot live in this country than it does in china. The laborer has no control over that. So w/o mi wage laws, you'd have guys making $1 an hour (not really - they just wouldn't work) and economic conditions would be even worse. It's still just Micro vs. Macro; Supply-side vs. Demmand-side; Ownership vs. Labor; SHORT-TERM, NARROW THINKING vs. LONG-TERM, BIG-PICTURE THINKING.
1. Most "minimum" wages jobs in fact pay more because they cannot hire the workers for that wage. That held true 15 years ago when I was working my way through college and fast food places were paying 9.00 an hour even then.
2. If all you bring to the employer are minimum wage skills, that is all you will be paid. If employers are forced to pay more, then prices will go up. This notion that increasing wages will help the economy is a joke if you dont consider that prices will go up as well.
3. As with all minimum wage increases in the past, the sky will not fall like conservatives claim, but the lives of the poor will not get better as the libs claim. When wages go up, prices go up. It always works that way.
Keep bowing to your corporate masters. They've done so well so far.
Think of all the money we would have in circulation -- nevermind the fact it wouldn't be worth s**t as goods and services would be priced accordingly, but hey, its a good number.
Abolish OSHA and child labor laws? What size panties do you wear when nobody is watching Mr. Drama Queen?
Corporate masters? You do realize that a vast majority of Americans are employed by small, privately held businesses. This is what I find fascinating -- libtards like to talk about conservatives as big business people and in bed with corporate interests. Here are some numbers you may not be aware of, presumeably because you are blinded by your ideology. These are from the last election cycle:
Goldman Sachs in 2008: DFL $4,392,720 (75%) - GOP $1,439,720 (25%). AIG in 2008, DFL $586,426 (69%) - GOP 267,579 (31%). JPMorgan Chase in 2008: DFL $2,699,886 (61%) - GOP $1,723,380 (39%). Citigroup in 2008: DFL $2,652,839 (61%) - GOP $1,716,259 (39%). Morgan Stanley in 2008: DFL $2,106,874 (58%) - GOP 1,518,568 (42%).
http://www.opensecrets.org/
Interesting, eh? Surprise, surprise -- Wall Street is in bed with the Dems. Hmmm. Who is the one bowing to the corporate masters?
Murlz
Paying everyone $25/hr. is akin to socialism. Is that what you're advocating, or are you just trying to be cute?
And about the donation - the Democrats got more donations because everyone knew they were going to win.
Does that help?
You're basically right with (3), but it's not just about "improving the lives of poor people." With no min-wage, many wages would be a lot lower, and the prices of goods would not necessarily be any cheaper. (Sellers will still charge as much as the market will bear, and not that muchh of the market makes min wage!) It's about limiting the employers ability to exploit the least among us. And come on - how many people are really making less that $7.25 anyway?
I don't believe the government has any business setting wages or prices. The market needs to do this,
You do realize, of course, that the reason that government instituted minimum wage legislation was because the market was not adjusting wages. Yes, in certain circumstances, if Target is paying $10 and hour and is hiring and McDonalds can't get workers, because they only pay $4 an hour. Market forces are going to insist on McDonalds paying more if they want to compete against Target in the labor market. Unfortunately not all markets are labor poor. In these markets it has been shown that, if allowed, business will pay a less than living wage. Yes, that is not following the capitalist model but; capitalism doesn't have a heart. That means it is up to us (we do make up the government) to decide when and where to circumvent market forces.
I have no argument with anything you are saying. Just dont kid your self into thinking that businesses will not raise the prices they are charging for basic services if people are pair more wages.
Tell the truth.
Now I think I am glad I didn't get that extra buck an hour. I was naive then and had no clue how businesses worked. I am not anymore.
You've got it backwards. You had a clue back then and are naive now.
Your love of employers/corporations is astounding.
Have you ever seen/read A Christmas Carol? Are you a fan of Ebenezer Scrooge?
Oh the horror!!!!
When you don't get, is that in any so-called "free Market" some greedy b*stards will manage to get monopolies, depress wages and drive people into poverty while enriching themselves. It's the unenlightened nature of humanity and it's happened consistently throughout time. The powerful will seize more power and rig the game. Your ideas are not going to happen, period, no matter how much deregulation you do.
1. Raising the minimum wage will not stimulate the economy.
2. If the wage goes up, prices will as well.
So what exactly are my ideas that will not work?
For an intelligent article regarding wages and prices, read Thom Hartmann's The Great Tax Con Job..
I followed your link in an effort to follow the money and I see Hartmann is using Daily Kos to say Moon anted up 2 billion to the Washington Post.
Hartmann ought to do some digging. The Daily Kos is using a "buzz flash.com" website interview with some writer named John Gorenfeld who tossed out that estimate.
Using questionable statistics and interpolating recession era losses in the other newspapers but not disclosing it, Hartmann is at best, ignorant and at worst, deliberately misleading.
Anyway, the topic is wages and taxes, in case you forgot. The historical data is on the side of doing the right thing by the American worker.
2) Sounds like a false analogy to me. Can you show evidence where past raises in the mimimum wage have increased prices or are you just pulling this out of your cloudy memories of econ 101?
Thanks for calling me an idiot.
"NBC's Robach ignores evidence that minimum wage increase will stimulate economy"
If you are so sure I am wrong mary, then please provide the links that show how past increases in the wage have stimulated the economy. It should be easy to do right? The info should be everywhere if you are correct. But the funny thing is, everyone posting on this thread makes accusations, but not a single link showing how past increases have made a difference.
I wonder why that is???
http://www.truthout.org/031609A
Ravi Batra has been accurately forecasting economic trends for the past 25 years.
Now where is your evidence that raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on the economy???
Ewe speaked Engrish sew goode
As usual the leftists here descend into their tired, but predictable response of name calling and ridicule when confronted with a challenge such as yours.
Congero
And what happens when demand goes up....hmmmm let me think about it....thats right....
when demand goes up....PRICES go up.
How does that work for your retirement account(s) that is (are) invested in corporate America?
"employee pay (with perks) usually makes up only 1.5% of a products cost." Cite your source.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE!!
But, about stimulating the economy. Doesn't it make sense that if you raise the wages of low-level earners, then they'll SPEND it rather than HOARD it. More money moving around in the economic system=a more robust economy.
Agree?
The rest of your weak examples involves products NOT made in this country, by people NOT affected by a wage increase.
It is amazing how weak your examples were......and yet......you still REFUSE to do ONE simple thing.
Show how past increases have stimulated the economy. The sad point its, you still cant do it.
In 1995, Princeton economists David Card and Alan Krueger published research on unemployment trends among fast-food restaurants in New Jersey and neighboring Pennsylvania. They found that the number of jobs rose in New Jersey compared with Pennsylvania, even though New Jersey had a higher minimum wage.
The study, while not perfect, ``provided evidence that went against the common view,'' Solow says. ``It changed the way many economists look at minimum wage.''
Bloomberg Press
Minimum wage raises aren't put under mattresses -- or offshore tax havens. They are recycled back into the economy.
'Overall most low-wage workers pump every dollar of their paychecks directly into the local economy by spending their money in their neighborhood stores, local pharmacies and corner markets,' notes Dan Gardner, commissioner of Labor and Industries for Oregon, which has the nation's second-highest minimum wage at $7.80.
from Common Dreams
LOL...whatever you say Chief. That was clear as mud.
Explain that!